Protesti in spopadi v Ukrajini ter Krimska kriza

nokkj je 12. avg 2014 ob 15:31 izjavil:

Rusi so prisotni v Ukrajini zgodovinsko od kdo ve kdaj (pred drugo svetovno vojno). Tisti, ki mešajo drek so EU in ZDA.

DarkSite je 12. avg 2014 ob 15:35 izjavil:

nokkj je 12. avg 2014 ob 15:31 izjavil:

Rusi so prisotni v Ukrajini zgodovinsko od kdo ve kdaj (pred drugo svetovno vojno). Tisti, ki mešajo drek so EU in ZDA.

Ukrajina ni ruska! Je samostojna država in se lahko sama odloča o svoji prihodnosti. EU, US si ni prisvojila del UA ozemlja, so pa to bili rusi.

ZaphodBB je 12. avg 2014 ob 16:02 izjavil:

nokkj je 12. avg 2014 ob 15:31 izjavil:

Rusi so prisotni v Ukrajini zgodovinsko od kdo ve kdaj (pred drugo svetovno vojno). Tisti, ki mešajo drek so EU in ZDA.

A ti je kdaj prišlo na misel, da ima mogoče skrajna desnica v UA, če že vzroka pa vsaj korenine v zločinih katere so Rusi/Sovjeti vršili nad Ukrajinskim ljudstvom? Pred vojno, po vojni, med hladno vojno in še po njej.

Ne pozabit, da so Ukrajinci Nemško vojsko iskreno pričakali kot odrešenike. Čeprav so potem videli, da je Hitlerju za njih ravno toliko mar kot Stalinu.

A hočeš reči, da Ukrajinci niso bili komunisti? In člani Rdeče armade? Itd...

Smrekar1 je 11. avg 2014 ob 22:47 izjavil:

windigo je 11. avg 2014 ob 22:30 izjavil:

Temle tukaj je zagotovo najbolj bistveno, da

Smrekar1 je 11. avg 2014 ob 11:50 izjavil:

sta demokracija in kapitalizem toliko boljša sistema od ruskega neofevdalizma...

Tega ne bi ravno trdil, dejstva pa pač ne spremeni.

Za situacijo so krivi Rusi, s svojim kolonialističnim odnosom do Ukrajine.

Kaj pa so pričakovali, rožice in da si bodo sami priskrbeli lubrikant?

V Belorusiji jim je uspelo,

v Ukrajini pa pač ne.

Kot je rekel Chomsky, če ljudi rineš v drek bodo nekateri rinili nazaj.

But Kiev’s use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics”, proclaimed in eastern Ukraine in March, should send a shiver down Europe’s spine. Recently formed battalions such as Donbas, Dnipro and Azov, with several thousand men under their command, are officially under the control of the interior ministry but their financing is murky, their training inadequate and their ideology often alarming.

The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites.

Mr Biletsky is also head of an extremist Ukrainian group called the Social National Assembly. “The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival,” he wrote in a recent commentary. “A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”

The battalion itself is founded on right wing views, the commander said in Urzuf, and no Nazi convictions could exclude a recruit.

Asked about his Nazi sympathies, [Phantom] said: “After the First World World War, Germany was a total mess and Hitler rebuilt it: he built houses and roads, put in telephone lines, and created jobs. I respect that.” Homosexuality is a mental illness and the scale of the Holocaust “is a big question”, he added.

Mr Skillt says he called himself a National Socialist as a young man and more recently he was active in the extreme right wing Party of the Swedes. “Now I’m fighting for the freedom of Ukraine against Putin’s imperialist front,” he said.

His unit is improving fast under his tutelage. “What they lack in experience, they make up in balls,” he said. Once he is done with Azov –where he claimed he receives a nominal GBP100 a month – Mr Skillt plans to go to Syria to fight for President Bashar al-Assad as a hired gun earning “very good money”.

Mark Galeotti, an expert on Russian and Ukrainian security affairs at New York University, fears battalions like Azov are becoming “magnets to attract violent fringe elements from across Ukraine and beyond”. “The danger is that this is part of the building up of a toxic legacy for when the war ends,” he said.

Extremist paramilitary groups who have built up “their own little Freikorps” and who are fundamentally opposed to finding consensus may demand a part in public life as victors in the conflict, Mr Galeotti added. “And what do you do when the war is over and you get veterans from Azov swaggering down your high street, and in your own lives?”

Cold1 je 12. avg 2014 ob 20:41 izjavil:

Kot je rekel Chomsky, če ljudi rineš v drek bodo nekateri rinili nazaj.

Drži, nekateri pa rinejo celo ven iz neo-fašistične države, ne zgolj iz dreka; začuda se Smrekar nad tem razburja... le zakaj?

Mipe je 13. avg 2014 ob 20:25 izjavil:

Occam's razor... če bi Putin hotel Ukrajino, bi bil v Kijevu že v nekaj urah. Vse to mečkanje z uporniki je nesmiselno.

Mipe je 13. avg 2014 ob 20:53 izjavil:

Nisem presenečen, da se Rusi hodijo borit v Ukrajino, ne navsezadnje je njihova druga domovina. Bolj sem presenečen nad zahodnimi nacisti, ki kar derejo v Kijev.

DarkSite je 13. avg 2014 ob 19:33 izjavil:

Okrog 150 enot ruske vojakške opreme je prečkalo mejo z Ukrajino v smeri Snizhne.

Mipe je 13. avg 2014 ob 19:53 izjavil:

In ti si avtomatsko potrdil vojaško opremo? Resno?

Invictus je 14. avg 2014 ob 10:09 izjavil:

Rusi nikoli ne bodo pustili EU ali NATO do svojih meja.