Protesti in spopadi v Ukrajini ter Krimska kriza

Mipe je 12. maj 2014 ob 10:53 izjavil:

Tam so bili novinarji, ki so bolj izčrpno poročali.

RT ne šteje.

BBC za pol odtenka boljši od CNN, Reuters ima včasih svojih pet minut,... RT ima dejansko najbolj izčrpna poročila s terena in vedno tudi kup video in foto materijala, potem pa iz tega lahko oceniš ali je poročanje objektivno ali ne. Zadnji video posnetki so lepo kazali, da vsi zahodni mediji bluzijo in raje ne poročajo o streljanju, kot pa da bi poročali. Raje lovijo babice in dedke, ki vržejo v skrinjico poleg svojega glasu še partnerjevega. Na ta način bi tudi pri nas vsak referendum bil neveljaven, koliko otročičkov (banda sicer ne sme volit do 18. leta) vrže v skrinjico glasove OBEH!! staršev. Nezaslišano!

Če hočeš pristransko poročati, ni ovir, povsod se lahko najde kar rabiš. Sam sem pred časom našel nekaj ljudi, ki dejansko živijo na vzhodu ukrajine in sem brskal po njihovih Youtube filmčkih, posnetih s telefoni. Neverjetno kako dobro se lahko vidi njihovo trenutno razpoloženje.

Če bodo Kievski nacisti začeli z obstreljevanjem, bodo verjetno končno dosegli to kar že ves čas hočejo - potegnili Ruse v Ukrajino.

Okej, vzamem nazaj, ni teorije zarote - samo Twitter iskalnik je podn od podna. Če uporabim site:twitter.com in ključne besede, takoj najde objave.

Evo:

The armed guys from #Krasnoarmiisk. They don't look like regular army. Looks like pro-Kiev militia is finally here.

The locals tried to speak English to the armed men in #Krasnoarmiisk!

I'm safe. Going back to #Donetsk

Found 7.62 caliber cartridges. That's why the wounds were so bad

Ok. Police is at the scene now

They are gone now leaving one dead and two civilians wounded. Locals are shocked. Stains of blood and shot cartridges everywhere

Journos helping with the first aid kit

They are leaving now. A couple more locals down

Lots of gunfire

Right now. One is shot to death another wounded in #Krasnoarmiisk, near #Donetsk

Ok, #Krasnoarmiisk now. Apparently shot were fired in the air half an hour ago. Ukrainian national guard soldiers are I side the city hall

@stopnarcotics (Petr Shelomovskiy)
Objave so v obratnem časovnem zaporedju, btw. Glede BBC-jevke sem se zmotil - bil je Demoustier.

Ja, ker so videoposnetki ziher zmontirani, kajne? Sodelovali so vsi vaščani, nekaj ruskih vojakov pa se je našemilo v kijevsko paravojaško enoto. To hočeš povedati?

Verjetno ni to mislil. Ampak velik delež krivde nosijo tudi američani in njihovi partnerji.
Moje mnenje, da si niso mislili, da bojo prišli na oblast skrajni desničarji in skrajni nacionalisti.

Danes malo gledal in mi je v oči padlo sledeče.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e24_1399...

Še nekaj o sankcijah:

Putin ide u Kinu po ugovor decenije

Kako mislijo Rusi dobavljati Kitajcem plin ? Imajo dovolj kapacitet (plinovod) ?
Bo cena višja/nižja/enaka kot za Eu ?

Tko kot sem reku, verjetno je RUsom prav prišlo tudi zaradi tega.

Dolgo časa so mečkali ampak sedaj so tudi kitajci dojeli,d a imajo tudi oni kako Ukrajino in da bodo energenti uporabljeni kot dodatno orožje in da se jim splača imeti alternate source.

Čisto možno, da brez ukrajinskega mešanja dreka tega deala ne bi bilo.

Eh, to je samo diplomatski adut, s katerim bodo mahali, kadar jim bo ustrezalo, sploh ko bodo ZDA pridigala o "demokraciji".

Kitajci ti v enem dnevu zgradijo nebotičnik. Ni vrag, da ne bi zmogli tudi cevovoda.

Mipe
In ta nebotičnik danes stoji ?
Kako so rešili problem strjevanja betona ?

Potem lahko poveš, zakaj je Rusija 1939 17.9 brez vojne napovedi napadla Poljsko in si jo v naslednjih mesecih razdelila z Nemci, potem ko jo le ti napadli v 1.9 istega leta ?

Nič posebnega, modularna gradnja.

s6c-gEL je 12. maj 2014 ob 14:15 izjavil:

Potem lahko poveš, zakaj je Rusija 1939 17.9 brez vojne napovedi napadla Poljsko in si jo v naslednjih mesecih razdelila z Nemci, potem ko jo le ti napadli v 1.9 istega leta ?

To igrico se znam tudi jaz.

Potlej mi pa povej zakaj je Poljska februarja 1919 napadla Rusijo?

D3m
A tole te zanima ?
Polish%E2%80%93Soviet War @ Wikipedia

As early as late 1919 the leader of Russia's new Communist government, Vladimir Lenin, inspired by the Red Army's civil-war victories over White Russian anti-communist forces and their Western allies, began to see the future of the revolution with greater optimism. The Bolsheviks proclaimed the need for the dictatorship of the proletariat, and agitated for a worldwide Communist community. They had an avowed intent to link the revolution in Russia with an expected revolution in Germany and to assist other Communist movements in Western Europe; Poland was the geographical bridge that the Red Army would have to cross to provide direct physical support.[16][21][22][23] Lenin aimed to regain control of the territories ceded by Russia in the Brest-Litovsk Treaty, to infiltrate the borderlands, to set up Soviet governments there as well as in Poland, and to reach Germany where he expected a Socialist revolution to break out.[16] He believed that Soviet Russia could not survive without the support of a socialist Germany.[16] By the end of summer 1919 the Soviets managed to take over most of Ukraine, driving the Ukrainian Directorate from Kiev. In early 1919, they also set up a Lithuanian-Belorussian Republic (Litbel). This government was very unpopular due to terror and the collection of food and goods for the army.[16]
Officially, however, the Soviet Government denied charges of trying to invade Europe.[24]

As the war progressed, particularly around the time the Polish Kiev Offensive of 1920 had been repelled, the Soviet leaders, including Lenin, increasingly saw the war as the real opportunity to spread the revolution westwards.[16][22][25] Historian Richard Pipes noted that before the Kiev Offensive, the Soviets had prepared for their own strike against Poland.[22]

Kdo je že koga napadel (again) ?

s6c-gEL je 12. maj 2014 ob 14:31 izjavil:

D3m
A tole te zanima ?
Polish%E2%80%93Soviet War @ Wikipedia

As early as late 1919 the leader of Russia's new Communist government, Vladimir Lenin, inspired by the Red Army's civil-war victories over White Russian anti-communist forces and their Western allies, began to see the future of the revolution with greater optimism. The Bolsheviks proclaimed the need for the dictatorship of the proletariat, and agitated for a worldwide Communist community. They had an avowed intent to link the revolution in Russia with an expected revolution in Germany and to assist other Communist movements in Western Europe; Poland was the geographical bridge that the Red Army would have to cross to provide direct physical support.[16][21][22][23] Lenin aimed to regain control of the territories ceded by Russia in the Brest-Litovsk Treaty, to infiltrate the borderlands, to set up Soviet governments there as well as in Poland, and to reach Germany where he expected a Socialist revolution to break out.[16] He believed that Soviet Russia could not survive without the support of a socialist Germany.[16] By the end of summer 1919 the Soviets managed to take over most of Ukraine, driving the Ukrainian Directorate from Kiev. In early 1919, they also set up a Lithuanian-Belorussian Republic (Litbel). This government was very unpopular due to terror and the collection of food and goods for the army.[16]
Officially, however, the Soviet Government denied charges of trying to invade Europe.[24]

As the war progressed, particularly around the time the Polish Kiev Offensive of 1920 had been repelled, the Soviet leaders, including Lenin, increasingly saw the war as the real opportunity to spread the revolution westwards.[16][22][25] Historian Richard Pipes noted that before the Kiev Offensive, the Soviets had prepared for their own strike against Poland.[22]

Kdo je že koga napadel (again) ?

Nekaj si še spustil.

Poland's Chief of State, Józef Piłsudski, felt the time was right to expand Polish borders as far east as feasible, to be followed by a Polish-led Intermarium federation of East-Central-European states as a bulwark against the re-emergence of German and Russian imperialisms

Nekaj si še spustil.

Poland's Chief of State, Józef Piłsudski, felt the time was right to expand Polish borders as far east as feasible, to be followed by a Polish-led Intermarium federation of East-Central-European states as a bulwark against the re-emergence of German and Russian imperialisms

Ne, prvi so na petelina spet pritisnili Rusi.


meanwhile

NG troops shooting unarmed people in Krasnoarmeysk after after having seized the polling station and not be permitted to vote.


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http://obozrevatel.com/politics/38691-z...


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http://obozrevatel.com/politics/43709-v...

Ravno to je fora, tole so stoletni konflikti. Ne moreš poenostavit zdajšne situacije na strmoglavljenje proruske vlade z strani ostro antriruske strani.

Rusije je kot vsaka imperialistična dežela v svojih časih pač izvajala teror nad Ukrajinskim narodom, tak ali drugačen. Niso zdaj krivi Rusi, ki živijo tam, najbrž tudi ne Putin, ker ni bil on na oblasti, ko se je Ruse naseljevalo po Ukrajini.

Ukrajinski narod bi rabil mednarodno arbitražo, ampak mednarodna skupnost meri mišice in ima raje vojno, nič novega.

Lonsarg je 12. maj 2014 ob 15:25 izjavil:

Ukrajinski narod bi rabil mednarodno arbitražo, ampak mednarodna skupnost meri mišice in ima raje vojno, nič novega.

Mednarodna arbitraža ti lahko pove samo eno - Rusi ven in plačat odškodnino za storjeno škodo. Drugega ne boš dobil.

s6c-gEL je 12. maj 2014 ob 12:06 izjavil:

Kako mislijo Rusi dobavljati Kitajcem plin ? Imajo dovolj kapacitet (plinovod) ?
Bo cena višja/nižja/enaka kot za Eu ?

Plinovod, ki ga še nimajo (treba zgradit). Cena bo nižja, sicer bi plinovod že imeli.
Dvomim, da je Putinu ta osnovna logika jasna...

Dobro veš, za katere Ruse se gre.

Ukraine Cuts off Water Supply to Crimea

Po tem močno dvomim, da bodo Krimci z veseljem stekli v roke matere Ukrajine... je prej zlobna mačeha. Rusija je Ukrajini vsaj dala rok, da plača dolgove, plin jim bo zaprla šele Junija, če ne plačajo. Ukrajina pa Krimu ni dala nobene možnosti.

Jah, sanje nekaj manijakov prevagajo sanje ljudstva. Povsem normalno v politiki. Občutek imam, da jih bo Putin poslal nekam in bo raje novi republiki garantiral neodvisnost. Mora gradit na dobrem glasu.

Ja, posledice. Eni ozemlje, drugi vir.