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bajsibajsi ::

fur80 je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

Čakaj, tukaj bi morali "bratje" pokriti škodo za dejanja IL apartheid genocidni režim, v UA pa Rusi iz tistega zamrznjenega denarja?!

Tako kot ponavadi, dvojni vatli!


Tisti, ki je začel, tisti naj plača! ;) Seveda pa se najini mnenji razlikujeta glede tega!


Da, en je na pravicni strani zgodovine, drugi je pa naci.

12c0 ::

A to pomeni, da bi morali vsi podporniki Netanyahuja plačat? Torej vsi desničarji na planetu.

Kaj porečejo podporniki Netanyahuja, ki trdijo, da so vsi Palestinci in vsi, ki se borijo proti izraelskim morijam, teroristi na tole:

JOHN LYONS, REPORTER: Is the brutal reality that Benjamin Netanyahu wants to continue this war for his own political survival?

EHUD BARAK, FMR PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL: Look, I cannot penetrate his soul and tell you for sure, but it's clear that he acts as if the main objective of this whole event is his survival. He understands that if fighting will have a pause for six weeks or two times six weeks, the Israeli republic will demand accountability in spite of the fact that there is no word in Hebrew for accountability. It was not needed in our culture, but the public will demand it and he might lose his role, the prime minister.

JOHN LYONS, REPORTER: The Prime Minister's Office did not respond when we put these allegations to him. Mr Ben-Gvir and Mr Smotrich also failed to respond to our requests for comment.

It now appears that Netanyahu wanted to sow seeds of division between the hardliners who ruled Gaza and the more conciliatory Palestinian Authority, running the West Bank.

AMI AYALON, FMR HEAD OF SHIN BET: We did something very, very simple. We did everything in order to make sure that Hamas will go on controlling Gaza and Palestinian Authority will control the West Bank so they will fight each other.

JOHN LYONS, REPORTER: Netanyahu allowed Qatar to give massive amounts of cash to Hamas in Gaza.

AMI AYALON, FMR HEAD OF SHIN BET: So what we did with the permission of our prime Minister is to let Qatar to transfer a huge amount of money in cash, probably more than $1.4 billion, and to make sure that they will be able to send people to work in Israel and to achieve or to get intelligence if they need. By doing it, we increase the power of Hamas.

EHUD BARAK, FMR PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL: That served Netanyahu who wanted to avoid any discussion of two state solution.

JOHN LYONS, REPORTER: So are you saying Benjamin Netanyahu deliberately boosted Hamas to try to prevent a Palestinian state?

EHUD BARAK, FMR PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL: Yeah, sure. He deliberately and systematically even told on record, whoever wants to avoid the threat of a two state solution has to support my policy of paying protection money to the Hamas.

JOHN LYONS, REPORTER: Netanyahu maintains the Qatar money was to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe. Having helped build up Hamas, Netanyahu has vowed to destroy it.

YEHUDA SHAUL, FMR ISRAELI ARMY COMMANDER: He fed the beast and it exploded in our face. If you base your national security strategy solely on force, then you need to win 24/7 forever.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-11/...


Podpirati Neteanyahuja torej pomeni podpirati Hamas :)

IgorCardanof ::

No, par ur nazaj je Izrael zacel bombati po Libanonu kot preemptive strike za Hezbolahov napad na Izrael in zdaj je Hezbolah napovedal zacetek njihovega mascevanja zaradi smrti tistega komanderja.

Upam, da je pomrlo cimvec teroristov in da jih bo se vec v prihodnjih urah/dneh.

Hezbolah naj bi planiral napad ob 5ih zjutraj z balisticnimi raketami na Tel Aviv.
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Zgodovina sprememb…

fikus_ ::

Vidim da ste navijači za novo vojno.
S taksnim razmisljanjem je svet v tem stanju, vsi bi tepli druge.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

IgorCardanof ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Vidim da ste navijači za novo vojno.
S taksnim razmisljanjem je svet v tem stanju, vsi bi tepli druge.


Zeljani miru. Miru pa zal ne bo, dokler se bodo kozjejebci tipa Hamas ali Hezbolah ali ISIS ali Taliban ali milijon drugih premikali po svetu.

Tako da z vsakim ubitim teroristom, smo blizje miru.

Ti bi pa najbrz seveda tem ljudem dal vec pravic, se odpovedal svojim vrednotam in jim oprostil za vsak razstrel ali stihanje, ki jim na vsake toliko uide?

Sicer pa je Hezbolah spustil rafal 340 raket, katere so vse bolj ali manj bile prestrezene oziroma zadele nicesar in sedaj so javili, da so svoje mascevanje zakljucili.

Tako da naslednic ko kdo komentira kako mocan je Hezbolah, se lahko spomni na te dogodke danes, kjer so si naredili hudo blamazo.
ZDA Izraelu najbrz ne pustijo invazije v Libanon, sicer pa bi bilo najbrz s temi teroristi zelo hitro konec.
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Ne odgovarjam na DM.

Zgodovina sprememb…

fikus_ ::

Za pretepat sta potrebna dva. in a tvojim razmišljanjem tam ne bo nikoli miru, podcenjevanjem , oznacevanjem drugih (kozjejebci), ki jih ne maraš, nič ne prispevaš k pomiritve tezav.
V glavnem to je opranost in razmisljanje t.i. "demokraticnega " zahoda.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Lonsarg ::

Mir se ne naredi tako da pobijas fanatike, ampak tako da izvajas pritist in das sanso da drzava postane manj fanaticna.

Ce jo napades rata zgolj se bolj fanaticna.

V primeru Izrael/arabci imamo situacijo ko ze 100 let drug drugega napadajo in drug drugega delajo fanaticnega in zal ni na vidiku da bi se ta cikel obrnil.

Zgodovina sprememb…

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Legon ::

IgorCardanof je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

Vidim da ste navijači za novo vojno.
S taksnim razmisljanjem je svet v tem stanju, vsi bi tepli druge.


Zeljani miru. Miru pa zal ne bo, dokler se bodo kozjejebci tipa Hamas ali Hezbolah ali ISIS ali Taliban ali milijon drugih premikali po svetu.

Tako da z vsakim ubitim teroristom, smo blizje miru.

Ti bi pa najbrz seveda tem ljudem dal vec pravic, se odpovedal svojim vrednotam in jim oprostil za vsak razstrel ali stihanje, ki jim na vsake toliko uide?

Sicer pa je Hezbolah spustil rafal 340 raket, katere so vse bolj ali manj bile prestrezene oziroma zadele nicesar in sedaj so javili, da so svoje mascevanje zakljucili.

Tako da naslednic ko kdo komentira kako mocan je Hezbolah, se lahko spomni na te dogodke danes, kjer so si naredili hudo blamazo.
ZDA Izraelu najbrz ne pustijo invazije v Libanon, sicer pa bi bilo najbrz s temi teroristi zelo hitro konec.


ja, zgodovina zaničevanja in pobijanja drugačemislečih je odličen dokaz tega, kako se z silo in grožnjami rešuje probleme. Samo poglej kako blagostanje je v Siriji, Iraku in Afganstanu. Par ameriških bomb in so naslednja Švica...

fur80 ::

Legon je izjavil:

IgorCardanof je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

Vidim da ste navijači za novo vojno.
S taksnim razmisljanjem je svet v tem stanju, vsi bi tepli druge.


Zeljani miru. Miru pa zal ne bo, dokler se bodo kozjejebci tipa Hamas ali Hezbolah ali ISIS ali Taliban ali milijon drugih premikali po svetu.

Tako da z vsakim ubitim teroristom, smo blizje miru.

Ti bi pa najbrz seveda tem ljudem dal vec pravic, se odpovedal svojim vrednotam in jim oprostil za vsak razstrel ali stihanje, ki jim na vsake toliko uide?

Sicer pa je Hezbolah spustil rafal 340 raket, katere so vse bolj ali manj bile prestrezene oziroma zadele nicesar in sedaj so javili, da so svoje mascevanje zakljucili.

Tako da naslednic ko kdo komentira kako mocan je Hezbolah, se lahko spomni na te dogodke danes, kjer so si naredili hudo blamazo.
ZDA Izraelu najbrz ne pustijo invazije v Libanon, sicer pa bi bilo najbrz s temi teroristi zelo hitro konec.


ja, zgodovina zaničevanja in pobijanja drugačemislečih je odličen dokaz tega, kako se z silo in grožnjami rešuje probleme. Samo poglej kako blagostanje je v Siriji, Iraku in Afganstanu. Par ameriških bomb in so naslednja Švica...


Seveda, vi bi pa dali Palestini tam pri Gazi samostojno državo, ki bi bila le še en satelit Irana, ki bi lahko napadal Izrael.

Legon ::

Ker dosedanja rešitev, kjer Izrael prosto krši mednarodno pravo in dnevno krade zemljo, se je izkazala za izjemno učinkovito?

Pa lepo, da si prilezel nazaj iz luknje, si pogledal posnetek, ki sem ti ga linkal, al se še vedno držiš samo izraelskih propagadnih kanalov?

IgorCardanof ::

Oboji ljudje so slabi in zagotovo zganjanjo hude zločine tam doli. Noben si ne zatiska oči pred tem. Prav tako noben od vas nima rešitve za ta konflikt spodaj. Situacija je zajebana in lahke rešitve ni.
In če moram izbirat med skrajnimi islamisti ali judi, bo izbira zagotovo brez pomisleka slednji.

Idealno bi seveda bilo, da bi se imeli doli vsi radi in bi živeli v miru. Žal pa jim religija in narodnost tega ne dopuščajo in smo v takem kurcu kot smo.
Retail investor, Simp, Crypto analyst, Cardano hejtr
Ne odgovarjam na DM.

Zgodovina sprememb…

kunigunda ::

IgorCardanof je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

Vidim da ste navijači za novo vojno.
S taksnim razmisljanjem je svet v tem stanju, vsi bi tepli druge.


Zeljani miru. Miru pa zal ne bo, dokler se bodo kozjejebci tipa Hamas ali Hezbolah ali ISIS ali Taliban ali milijon drugih premikali po svetu.

Tako da z vsakim ubitim teroristom, smo blizje miru.

Ti bi pa najbrz seveda tem ljudem dal vec pravic, se odpovedal svojim vrednotam in jim oprostil za vsak razstrel ali stihanje, ki jim na vsake toliko uide?

Sicer pa je Hezbolah spustil rafal 340 raket, katere so vse bolj ali manj bile prestrezene oziroma zadele nicesar in sedaj so javili, da so svoje mascevanje zakljucili.

Tako da naslednic ko kdo komentira kako mocan je Hezbolah, se lahko spomni na te dogodke danes, kjer so si naredili hudo blamazo.
ZDA Izraelu najbrz ne pustijo invazije v Libanon, sicer pa bi bilo najbrz s temi teroristi zelo hitro konec.

Glede kozjejebcev, poglej kolk primerov seksa z zivali imas na bliznjem vzhodu pa kolko v USA pa bos uvidel, kdo so kozjejebci...

Pengič 2-0 ::

Izrael je v libanonu raskantal lanserje.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827645...

Strel455 ::

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827655...
Hezbollah planned to simultaneously launch 6000 rockets & drones today.
Israel launched preemptive strikes with 100 fighter jets
With most sites destroyed, Hezbollah could only launch 300 rockets & drones
Nearly all shot down by the Iron Dome
Hezbollah only hit a chicken coop

chucki ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Za pretepat sta potrebna dva. in a tvojim razmišljanjem tam ne bo nikoli miru, podcenjevanjem , oznacevanjem drugih (kozjejebci), ki jih ne maraš, nič ne prispevaš k pomiritve tezav.
V glavnem to je opranost in razmisljanje t.i. "demokraticnega " zahoda.



Za pretep sta potrebna dva..taksne besede se uporablja ko se dva pamža sfocata. Kle so pa kozjejebci, ki zelijo teb prerezati vrat, ko bo imel priliko.
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Legon ::

Kaj pa je potem primeren izraz, ko imaš na kupu dva sodomista, enega z f-22 in drugega z mačeto? Genocid?

Zgodovina sprememb…

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Malidelničar ::

Je kdo morda pomislil, da bi situacijo lahko rešili, če bi Zahodnjaki oborožli pripadnike krščanske skupnosti v Libanonu (predvsem Maroniti a tudi ostali, grški pravoslavni itd.) in jih podprli, da Libanon postane zopet krščanski? Libanon je bil namreč po neodvisnosti takrat cvetoča država, Bejrut je bil imenovan Pariz bližnjega vzhoda recimo. In recimo bi bil tako Libanon izpostava Zahoda na BV, damo jim orožje in v sistemu OZN pokrijemo pravno, da se preprosto Palestince, Hezbolah in ostale z organizacijo mordih čelad pač preseli v Savdovo Arabijo itd.

Istočasno pa naredimo deal z Egiptom, kjer naredimo jasen deal za finančno pomoč, infrastrukturno pomoč (namakalni sistemi, razsoljevalni sistemi) in pomoč v hrani (ukrajinska pšenica), ter zahtevamo, da se sprosti politične zapornike in dovoli večjo svobodo govora - z izjemo Muslimanske bratovščine, ki jih razglasimo za mednarodno teroristično organizacijo - Egipt vojaško podpre Izrael, stabilizira Sudan in sprejme za stalno kot del beguncev Palestince in muslimane iz Libanona.

Win-win situacija.

BV stabilen.

My two cents.
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Strel455 ::

"ena" za ena :))

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827681...
Hezbollah just became the laughingstock of the entire Middle East.

fur80 ::

Strel455 je izjavil:

"ena" za ena :))

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827681...
Hezbollah just became the laughingstock of the entire Middle East.


Hezbolah je imel pripravljenih 6000 raket in dronov, uspelo jim jih je poslati 320, ostalo so jim Izraelci potolkli. So verjetno imeli podatke in čakali, da Hezbolah začnejo. Hezbolah jih je dobil po gobcu in to prekleto. Z 100 letali so razbili Libanon, kot takrat, fukus_ ve kdaj.

Poldi in fukus_ kakšen je vajin komentar? Bi bilo treba pustiti, da bi Hezbolah vrgel vso to orožje na Izrael? Bi Izrael moral pustiti tudi zračni obrambi, da to pade na tla, da bi bilo fer po tvoje?

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenil: fur80 ()

Malidelničar ::

Sem kar presenečen, ker sem vedno trdil, da je Hezbollah močnejši kot Hamas.
Imajo Izraelci res toliko podatkov???? :|
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Gregor P ::

Orožje pač treba nekako pripraviti za napad, sploh nekaj tisoč raket. To so pač predčasno zaznali in se ustrezno odzvali.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

kunigunda ::

Malidelničar je izjavil:

Je kdo morda pomislil, da bi situacijo lahko rešili, če bi Zahodnjaki oborožli pripadnike krščanske skupnosti v Libanonu (predvsem Maroniti a tudi ostali, grški pravoslavni itd.) in jih podprli, da Libanon postane zopet krščanski? Libanon je bil namreč po neodvisnosti takrat cvetoča država, Bejrut je bil imenovan Pariz bližnjega vzhoda recimo. In recimo bi bil tako Libanon izpostava Zahoda na BV, damo jim orožje in v sistemu OZN pokrijemo pravno, da se preprosto Palestince, Hezbolah in ostale z organizacijo mordih čelad pač preseli v Savdovo Arabijo itd.

Istočasno pa naredimo deal z Egiptom, kjer naredimo jasen deal za finančno pomoč, infrastrukturno pomoč (namakalni sistemi, razsoljevalni sistemi) in pomoč v hrani (ukrajinska pšenica), ter zahtevamo, da se sprosti politične zapornike in dovoli večjo svobodo govora - z izjemo Muslimanske bratovščine, ki jih razglasimo za mednarodno teroristično organizacijo - Egipt vojaško podpre Izrael, stabilizira Sudan in sprejme za stalno kot del beguncev Palestince in muslimane iz Libanona.

Win-win situacija.

BV stabilen.

My two cents.

Vse super razen za palestince.

IgorCardanof ::

Malidelničar je izjavil:

Sem kar presenečen, ker sem vedno trdil, da je Hezbollah močnejši kot Hamas.
Imajo Izraelci res toliko podatkov???? :|


Delalo se je primerjave s tisto vojno 15 let nazaj. Samo se je od takrat marsikaj spremenilo. Izrael ima zelo verjetno zelo točne podatke kje ima Hezbolah svoje pozicije. Najbrz jih opazujejo res 24/7 skupaj s kombinacijo intela na terenu.

Zato je seveda tudi jasno, da so napad 7. oktobra namerno dopustili. Ni možno, da bi lahko kdo organiziral tako veliko akcijo, pa da oni za to ne bi vedeli.
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Zgodovina sprememb…

Pengič 2-0 ::

No ja a niso ukrajinci ravno dokazal da se da s skrbno pripravo uletet s celo vojsko na tujo ozemlje. Izraelci so verjetno zaspal bodo pa definitivno upgrejdal varnostne postopke.

Malidelničar ::

kunigunda:
Recimo Palestinci na Zahodnem Bregu so del t.i. 'Greater Israela' in imajo manjšinjske pravice in dvojezične napise.
Potem recimo za Gazo bi bila rešitev, da se jo da v uradno upravljanje Egiptu in Egipčani tam postavijo prostotrgovinsko cono, kar omogoči preživetje lokalnega Palestinskega prebivalstva. Palestinci dobijo egipčansko državljanstvo kot tudi preseljenci iz Libanona, Jordanije (tisti, ki bi želeli oditi tja, ostali ostanejo kot jordanski državljani).
Win za vse.

IgorCardanof: tisto sem spremljal takrat 15 let nazaj (BBC, CNN, mislim, da je bilo ravno v času Madridskih terorističnih napadov na postaji Atocha?) in je bilo kar ornk, mislim, da Izrael uradno ni bil zmagovalec spopada. Spominjam se, da je bila mednarodna skupnost presenečena nad močnim vojaškim odporom in tudi organiziranostjo Hezbolaha takrat. Izrael je bil prisiljen kar močno manevrirati po terenu in se nato umakniti. Zato sem zdaj logično povlekel iste zaključke.

Očitno je tu Izrael tehnološko naredil nek preskok (sateliti in droni morda??? morda celo UI?????). Zanimivo mi pa je, da recimo Hezbolah ni imel pripravljene večje količine dronov? Kakšna razlaga za to - a niso oni oskrbovani tehnološko, vojaško, logistično s strani Irancev? Je Iran tu zamočil???????
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

kunigunda ::

fur80 je izjavil:

Strel455 je izjavil:

"ena" za ena :))

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827681...
Hezbollah just became the laughingstock of the entire Middle East.


Hezbolah je imel pripravljenih 6000 raket in dronov, uspelo jim jih je poslati 320, ostalo so jim Izraelci potolkli. So verjetno imeli podatke in čakali, da Hezbolah začnejo. Hezbolah jih je dobil po gobcu in to prekleto. Z 100 letali so razbili Libanon, kot takrat, fukus_ ve kdaj.

Poldi in fukus_ kakšen je vajin komentar? Bi bilo treba pustiti, da bi Hezbolah vrgel vso to orožje na Izrael? Bi Izrael moral pustiti tudi zračni obrambi, da to pade na tla, da bi bilo fer po tvoje?

Kaj je hezbolah imel in pripravljal ve samo hezbolah, kar raja ve, je pa izrael dal ven...

kunigunda ::

Malidelničar je izjavil:

kunigunda:
Recimo Palestinci na Zahodnem Bregu so del t.i. 'Greater Israela' in imajo manjšinjske pravice in dvojezične napise.
Potem recimo za Gazo bi bila rešitev, da se jo da v uradno upravljanje Egiptu in Egipčani tam postavijo prostotrgovinsko cono, kar omogoči preživetje lokalnega Palestinskega prebivalstva. Palestinci dobijo egipčansko državljanstvo kot tudi preseljenci iz Libanona, Jordanije (tisti, ki bi želeli oditi tja, ostali ostanejo kot jordanski državljani).
Win za vse.

IgorCardanof: tisto sem spremljal takrat 15 let nazaj (BBC, CNN, mislim, da je bilo ravno v času Madridskih terorističnih napadov na postaji Atocha?) in je bilo kar ornk, mislim, da Izrael uradno ni bil zmagovalec spopada. Spominjam se, da je bila mednarodna skupnost presenečena nad močnim vojaškim odporom in tudi organiziranostjo Hezbolaha takrat. Izrael je bil prisiljen kar močno manevrirati po terenu in se nato umakniti. Zato sem zdaj logično povlekel iste zaključke.

Očitno je tu Izrael tehnološko naredil nek preskok (sateliti in droni morda??? morda celo UI?????). Zanimivo mi pa je, da recimo Hezbolah ni imel pripravljene večje količine dronov? Kakšna razlaga za to - a niso oni oskrbovani tehnološko, vojaško, logistično s strani Irancev? Je Iran tu zamočil???????

Palestinci na zahodnem bregu imajo pravice samo na papirju, v praksi pa skoraj nic.
Da bi gazo dal egiptu ni resitev, ampak premostitev problema drugam.
Resitev bi bila teoreticno zgolj, da bi palestinci dobili, kar jim je bilo obljubljeno (po vzetem), ampak spet bi dobili razdrobljeno drzavo v drzavi in bi bil izrael na minusu.
Tko da je ze od zacetka bilo vse obsojeno na propad in velja zakon mocnejsega, torej izraela.

12c0 ::

Saj to je znano že od vedno, da je Izrael agresor, vedno je bil, ker pa desničarji verjamejo pravljicam revizionističnih sionistov, da se bo, ko ubijejo še zadnjega Palestinca, in napravijo Veliki Izrael, na zemljo vrnil Jezus, spregledajo marsikaj, saj so ja "njihovi".
Vse, česar sionisti obtožuje Palestince, počnejo sami, za svoje trditve zahtevajo slepo vero "trust me bro", če jim ne verjameš, te obtožijo, da si "antisemit". Znana taktika, desničarjem na zahodu se zdi sprejemljiva, povsem legit, ampak njim se zdi marsikaj legit ;)
Revizionistični sionisti trdijo, da Palestina ne obstaja in da Palestinci obstajajo samo zato, da pobijejo vse žide/Izraelce, v resnici pa je ravno obratno. Izraelski židje ne verjamejo v te nebuloze, zato se sionisti spravljajo tudi nanje, je na spletu dovolj posnetkov.
Kdor ne razume: Sionisti sprejemajo le izbris Palestincev s planeta sicer bo Izrael, po njihovem mnenju, ogrožen. Svet jim je od '40ih prejšnjega stoletja dovolil živeti v tej zablodi.



Se splača prečitatporočila ZN, ker mediji o njih niso nikoli poročali, pa saj vemo, da so vsi MSM desničarski:

"Israel bears responsibility for implementing in the Occupied Palestinian Territory
the human rights obligations enshrined in the seven core human rights treaties and
conventions it has ratified. International humanitarian law imposes obligations on Israel as
the occupying power. It is obliged to respect the fundamental rights of the protected
population in all circumstances."

In its resolution 70/89, the General Assembly reaffirmed the illegality of Israeli
settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in the
occupied Syrian Golan.

"The same determination has been made by both the Security Council, in its relevant
resolutions,4 and the International Court of Justice, as regards settlement activities in the
Occupied Palestinian Territory. 5 Settlements amount to the transfer of the population of
Israel into the territory it occupies, which is prohibited under international humanitarian
law. The transfer of an occupying power’s population to a territory it occupies amounts to a
war crime that may engage the individual criminal responsibility of those involved.



International humanitarian law prohibits “individual or mass forcible transfers” of
protected persons within the occupied territory, as well as deportations outside of the
occupied territory, regardless of their motive. 7 Such unlawful transfers constitute a grave
breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention (art. 147) and potentially incur the individual
criminal responsibility of officials engaged in such acts. 8 While other international
humanitarian law provisions may be violated within the context of forcible transfer (e.g. the
prohibition of the destruction of private and public property 9), such transfers may imply the
violation of several human rights, such as the right to adequate housing, including the
prohibition of forced evictions,10 the right to non-interference with family and home, 11 the
right to freedom of movement 12 and the right to education.13




With the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territory now in its fiftieth year, illegal
settlement activity continues to advance apace. Through continued expansion of illegal
settlements and parallel efforts to consolidate Israeli control over the West Bank, successive
Israeli governments since 1967 have overseen the steady growth of the settler population
and the unilateral takeover of large swaths of West Bank land reserves, in violation of
international law.



The settler population in Area C and East Jerusalem has doubled since the Oslo
Accords, reaching over 594,000 people (including an estimated 208,000 in East Jerusalem)
by the end of 2015 20 living in some 130 settlements and 100 outposts. That number is
expected to rise further given the advancement of new construction in settlements. The
existence of Israeli settlements and the designation of land for exclusive Israeli use have
resulted in the gradual fragmentation of the West Bank, demographic changes and the
illegal exploitation of natural resources, while restricting Palestinians’ access and denying
possibilities for Palestinian development.



The policies and practices of Israel detailed in the sections below raise serious
concerns. The impact of the Government’s settlement policy on the human rights situation
of Palestinians in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, has been devastating, as
highlighted by the significant developments that occurred during the period under review.


Incidents of violence against Palestinians, trespassing and the forceful takeover of
land have often been conducted as part of a calculated effort by settlers to expand Israeli
control beyond settlement jurisdiction areas.27 Such actions have become effective ways of
taking over land, 28 notably owing to the passivity of the Israeli authorities in addressing
them. 29 Indeed, Israeli settlers in the West Bank have historically enjoyed impunity for
trespassing and committing violent attacks against Palestinians, and orders against
agricultural invasions, whereby settlers take over and cultivate private Palestinian land,
remain almost entirely unenforced.



The Secretary-General, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights
and the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories
occupied since 1967 have pointed to the seizure of Palestinian homes and forced evictions
(and the risk of such seizures and evictions taking place) to make way for settlers to move
in, as factors suggesting a coercive environment in East Jerusalem. 60 According to the
Israeli non-governmental organizations Ir Amin and Peace Now, at least 55 families were
evicted from their homes in 2015 and 2016, and some 300 Palestinian families are under
threat of eviction or imminent house demolition in the “historic basin” of the Old City of
East Jerusalem. 61 In most cases, the evictions have been initiated by Israeli settler
organizations on the basis of landownership claims, as well as claims that the residents are
no longer “protected tenants”. As a result, 818 Palestinians, including 372 children, are at
risk of displacement. 62


The pace of demolitions in East Jerusalem also accelerated to an alarming rate,
reaching 190 between 1 January and 31 October 2016, compared with 79 in 2015.


Pressure, including threats and harassment during repeated visits from Israeli Civil
Administration and other government officials, including members of the Israeli security
forces, continued to be documented as an ongoing form of coercion. 70 During visits, in
particular following demolitions, officials have reportedly solicited the relocation or
removal of the affected individuals outside their area of residence and have threatened to
transfer them out forcibly.


Israeli settlement activity is incompatible with the obligations of Israel under
international law. Settlement activity is a key driver of need for humanitarian
assistance in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and lies at the core of a range
of human rights violations. Israeli settlement activity further constitutes one of the
main obstacles to a viable Palestinian State. The significant role that the production of
and trade in settlement goods plays in helping to support and maintain settlements is
also of concern.

Israel must implement all relevant United Nations resolutions, including
Security Council resolution 497 (1981), and withdraw from territory it has occupied
since 1967. To meet its obligations under international law, Israel must stop building
settlements, reverse any settlement development activity and make full reparations to
the individuals and communities concerned.

Within the scope of its obligation to respect and ensure respect for human
rights within the Occupied Palestinian Territory, the Government of Israel has the
duty to protect the Palestinian population against human rights abuses by third
parties, including business enterprises. It should implement the Guiding Principles on
Business and Human Rights and, in particular, take the legislative, administrative
policy and remedial actions necessary to prevent, investigate, punish and redress
abuses. The Israeli authorities must rescind all policies and practices that, directly or
indirectly, are likely to lead to the forcible transfer of Palestinians, including policies
and practices that contribute to the creation of a coercive environment that forces
people to leave their communities. Specifically, the Israeli authorities must:
(a)
Refrain from any initiative to relocate communities from Area C in
contravention of international law;
(b)
Cease the implementation of a planning and zoning regime that is
discriminatory and restrictive and that facilitates the construction and expansion of
settlements and the wall, in violation of international law;
(c)
Cease the demolition of the homes and private property of Palestinians
and take all measures to prevent violence and other coercive measures perpetrated by
public officials or settlers;
(d)
Ensure that any incident of violence by private actors, including settlers,
against Palestinians and their property are investigated, that perpetrators are
prosecuted and, if convicted, punished with appropriate sanctions, and that victims
are provided with effective remedies in accordance with international standards.88
64.
Third States should provide guidance on implementing the Guiding Principles
on Business and Human Rights to business enterprises domiciled in their territory or
within their jurisdiction that operate in conflict-affected areas, including in the
context of military occupation, such as in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.
65.
Business enterprises should undertake human rights due diligence in order to
identify, prevent, mitigate and account for how they address any adverse human
rights impact on Palestinians they may cause or contribute to, or which may be
directly linked to their operations, products or services.


VIR: Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in the occupied Syrian Golan*

Human Rights Council
Thirty-fourth session
27 February-24 March 2017
Agenda items 2 and 7




Pomembno je tudi to poročilo:

"The Commission regrets the lack of cooperation by the Government of Israel, and its
refusal to allow entry to Israel and to permit access to the Occupied Palestinian Territory,
despite the desire of the State of Palestine to allow the Commission to visit. This refusal
obstructed the engagement of many Israeli and Palestinian victims, witnesses and other
stakeholders with the Commission."

On 27 May 2021, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel rejected Human Rights
Council resolution S-30/1 and indicated: “Israel cannot and will not cooperate with such an
investigation”
On 3 March 2022, the Commission
acknowledged the communication and asked for a response to its request for access to Israel
and the Occupied Palestinian Territory. In doing so, the Commission highlighted the need
for it to hear from all concerned parties, duty bearers, victims and witnesses, underlined the
importance of the Commission’s engagement with Israel, and invited representatives of the
Government to meet with the Commission. No response was received.


A draft of this report was shared for comments with both Israel and the State of
Palestine. The State of Palestine provided comments on the report, which were carefully
reviewed by the Commission. Israel did not respond.



Previous reports have found that movement permit requirements, settlement
infrastructure, military incursions and checkpoints remain a part of daily life for Palestinians,
who in the great part remain cut off from each other in East Jerusalem, the rest of the West
Bank, Gaza and Israel.49 The wall continues to separate Palestinians in the West Bank from
East Jerusalem and Israel, despite the International Court of Justice having stated that it
gravely infringed a number of rights of Palestinians living in the territory occupied by Israel.50
The United Nations Fact-Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict found in 2009 that the
blockade amounted to a collective punishment that fit into a continuum of policies aimed at
pursuing Israeli political objectives with regard to Gaza and the Occupied Palestinian
Territory as a whole, including the progressive isolation and separation of the Gaza Strip
from the West Bank.51



The Commission also notes the concerns expressed by the Human Rights Committee,
and echoed by the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, that the Jewish and
non-Jewish population in Israel are treated differently in several regards and that the Israeli
domestic legal framework maintains a three-tiered system of laws affording different civil
status, rights and legal protection for Jewish Israeli citizens, Palestinian citizens of Israel and
Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem.57 Different legal regimes are also applied by Israel in
the West Bank: despite its position that international human rights law does not apply
extraterritorially, Israel applies a substantial part of its domestic laws to Israeli settlers in the
West Bank, while Palestinians are subject to Israeli military law. The situation is different in
East Jerusalem, which since its purported annexation by Israel has been subject to the Israeli
domestic legal system, though its Palestinian residents are not eligible for Israeli citizenship.



The United Nations Fact-Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict noted in 2009 that systematic efforts by
Israel to hinder and control Palestinian democratic processes, not least through the detention
of elected political representatives and members of Government and the punishment of the
Gaza population for its perceived support for Hamas, had culminated in the attacks on
government buildings during the Gaza offensive, most prominently the Palestinian
Legislative Council. It concluded that the cumulative impact of those policies and actions
made prospects for political and economic integration between Gaza and the West Bank more
remote


"Stakeholders have also informed the Commission that, notwithstanding the
occupation, the continuing political division between Fatah and Hamas is having a negative
effect on the full enjoyment by Palestinians of their human rights. 62 The Commission notes
that there have been no presidential or legislative elections in the State of Palestine since
2006. The planned presidential and legislative elections in 2021 were indefinitely postponed
by the President of the State of Palestine due to the refusal by Israel to allow Palestinians in
East Jerusalem to vote. However, the Commission was told that the participation of
Palestinians in East Jerusalem could have been ensured through other means."


While Israel has implemented extensive infrastructure projects to facilitate the
movement of settlers, including networks of bypass roads, the movement of Palestinians in
the West Bank continues to be restricted, severely infringing upon their freedom of
movement and access to services and livelihoods.63 Furthermore, while settlements expand
rapidly and Israeli settlers are able to construct structures on occupied land, it is almost
impossible for Palestinians to get building permits in Area C due to discriminatory zoning
and planning regimes.64


"Linked to this, the Human Rights Committee, in its concluding observations on the
fifth periodic report of Israel, expressed concern about a significant increase in the incidence
and severity of settler violence in recent years and the involvement of the Israeli security
forces in such violence.65 The Commission has also met with stakeholders who report an
alarming increase in both the severity and frequency of settler violence during the past year,
maintaining that such violence and a lack of accountability for it was fuelling violence in the
Occupied Palestinian Territory.




" In accordance with the indivisibility of all human rights, the Commission affirms the
critical importance of economic, social and cultural rights. It recognizes the concern raised
by human rights mechanisms about the patterns of violation of the right to land and housing
in the West Bank, including systemic violations resulting from discriminatory planning and
zoning laws and policies, confiscation of land and natural resources, systemic demolition of
homes, forced eviction, and expansion of settlements coupled with restriction of movement."


The destruction of Palestinian water infrastructure, including pipelines, wells and
reservoirs, the denial of construction permits and the confiscation and control of natural water
resources have left the population in the West Bank at extreme risk of severe water scarcity.70
The Commission notes reports that, while Israeli settlers have access to 320 litres per capita
per day of water, which is more than the recommended 100 litres, Palestinians in Areas A
and B have access to 75 to 100 litres per capita per day, and Palestinians in Area C to 30 to
50 litres per capita per day. 71 The Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
expressed concern about the impact of the Israeli occupation and settlement policy and of its
destruction of Palestinian water infrastructure on Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian
Territory in terms of access to water, which results in serious health consequences."


The United Nations has warned that Gaza is at risk of becoming “unliveable” due to
the grave violations of economic, social, and cultural rights resulting from the occupation
and ongoing long-term land, air and sea blockade and repeated attacks that have destroyed
essential infrastructure. 73 In 2021, almost two out of five people were food insecure,
compared to one in five in 2018.74 The poverty rate was expected to increase to 59.3 per cent
in 2021 as a result of the attacks in May 2021, up from 53 per cent in 2017. 75 The
unemployment rate reached 50.2 per cent in 2021.76 A higher percentage was reported among
women (68.6 per cent) due to the lack of opportunities and social barriers to securing formal
employment. Unemployment was especially affecting youth between the ages of 15 and 29,
with an average rate of 71.8 per cent.




Several United Nations mechanisms have stressed that the continuing blockade and
repeated hostilities, resulting in the destruction of infrastructure and the deprivation of
essential goods and services, have hindered access to water and sanitation and to the health-
care system in Gaza. 78 The health-care system has suffered from severe destruction of
infrastructure and shortage of essential medical equipment, medicines and medical
personnel. 79 The Special Rapporteur reported that, as of October 2018, almost half of
essential medicines were completely depleted in Gaza.





Reports have emphasized that women and girls continue to be subjected to excessive
use of force and abuse by the Israeli security forces and settlers, including physical,
psychological and verbal abuse and sexual harassment and violations of their right to life.95
Harassment and abuse of Palestinian women and girls by the Israeli security forces in the
Occupied Palestinian Territory has been reported at checkpoints and on the way to and from
school and work.96 Sexual and gender-based violence has also been reported in detention and
during night raids,97 and the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women
has recommended that Israel ensure that the practice of night raids complies with due process
guarantees and rights under the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of
Discrimination against Women. 98 Reports indicate that women and girls have been
particularly targeted by settlers in the West Bank, including when the male members of their
family are absent.



This review of the findings and recommendations of previous United Nations
mechanisms and bodies clearly indicates that ending the occupation of lands by Israel,
in full conformity with Security Council resolutions, remains essential in ending the
persistent cycle of violence. What has become a situation of perpetual occupation was
cited by Palestinian and Israeli stakeholders to the Commission as the one common
issue that constitutes the underlying root cause of recurrent tensions, instability and
protraction of conflict in both the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East
Jerusalem, and Israel. In 2008, the high-level fact-finding mission to Beit Hanoun reported
that the occupation remained the root cause of the bleak situation that the mission had only
briefly sketched in its report.


The Commission notes the strength of prima facie credible evidence available
that convincingly indicates that Israel has no intention of ending the occupation, has
clear policies for ensuring complete control over the Occupied Palestinian Territory,
and is acting to alter the demography through the maintenance of a repressive
environment for Palestinians and a favourable environment for Israeli settlers.


This review of past reports indicates that impunity is
feeding increased resentment among the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian
Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in Israel and is fuelling recurrent tensions,
instability and protraction of conflict and an endless cycle of violence that compromises
chances for sustainable peace and security.



The continuing occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East
Jerusalem, the 15-year blockade of Gaza and longstanding discrimination within Israel are
all intrinsically linked, and cannot be looked at in isolation. The conflict and the occupation
must be considered in their full context. Both the 2014 and 2021 hostilities came in the
context of tensions between Palestinians and Israelis in the West Bank and East Jerusalem,
in addition to the situation in Gaza itself.


The increased level of violence within Israel itself during the 2021 hostilities and
again in early 2022 adds to concerns. The Commission repeats with concern the stark
warning by the Special Rapporteur that the persistent discrimination against
Palestinians throughout the West Bank and East Jerusalem, threats of forced
displacement, forced displacement, demolitions, settlement expansion and settler
violence and the blockade of Gaza have all contributed to and will continue to
contribute to cycles of violence.116



Vir:
Report of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel*

Human Rights Council
Fiftieth session
13 June–8 July 2022
Agenda item 2

fur80 ::

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Hezbollah just became the laughingstock of the entire Middle East.


Hezbolah je imel pripravljenih 6000 raket in dronov, uspelo jim jih je poslati 320, ostalo so jim Izraelci potolkli. So verjetno imeli podatke in čakali, da Hezbolah začnejo. Hezbolah jih je dobil po gobcu in to prekleto. Z 100 letali so razbili Libanon, kot takrat, fukus_ ve kdaj.

Poldi in fukus_ kakšen je vajin komentar? Bi bilo treba pustiti, da bi Hezbolah vrgel vso to orožje na Izrael? Bi Izrael moral pustiti tudi zračni obrambi, da to pade na tla, da bi bilo fer po tvoje?

Kaj je hezbolah imel in pripravljal ve samo hezbolah, kar raja ve, je pa izrael dal ven...


Ja seveda, pojdi ti pravljice prodajati na RTV pod članke Kaje S. Torej trdiš, da Izrael ni vedel kje je Haniyeh v Teheranu ob 2.00 ponoči, kako ne bi vedel kje Hezbolah pripravlja lanserje in ima skladišča.

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Sync ::

Torej mi "zahod" smo oprani od propagande sionistov, aparthaida, CIA, IDA ni dani desničarskih MSM.
Kaj reče ajatola, rus in ostala nesnaga kozjejebcev je pa vse resnica. Zanimivo..

Legon ::

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https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827681...
Hezbollah just became the laughingstock of the entire Middle East.


Hezbolah je imel pripravljenih 6000 raket in dronov, uspelo jim jih je poslati 320, ostalo so jim Izraelci potolkli. So verjetno imeli podatke in čakali, da Hezbolah začnejo. Hezbolah jih je dobil po gobcu in to prekleto. Z 100 letali so razbili Libanon, kot takrat, fukus_ ve kdaj.

Poldi in fukus_ kakšen je vajin komentar? Bi bilo treba pustiti, da bi Hezbolah vrgel vso to orožje na Izrael? Bi Izrael moral pustiti tudi zračni obrambi, da to pade na tla, da bi bilo fer po tvoje?

Kaj je hezbolah imel in pripravljal ve samo hezbolah, kar raja ve, je pa izrael dal ven...


Ja seveda, pojdi ti pravljice prodajati na RTV pod članke Kaje S. Torej trdiš, da Izrael ni vedel kje je Haniyeh v Teheranu ob 2.00 ponoči, kako ne bi vedel kje Hezbolah pripravlja lanserje in ima skladišča.

Torej hočeš povedat, da so 7. oktobra 2023 namerno dovolili napad Hamasa?

fur80 ::

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fur80 je izjavil:

Strel455 je izjavil:

"ena" za ena :))

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827681...
Hezbollah just became the laughingstock of the entire Middle East.


Hezbolah je imel pripravljenih 6000 raket in dronov, uspelo jim jih je poslati 320, ostalo so jim Izraelci potolkli. So verjetno imeli podatke in čakali, da Hezbolah začnejo. Hezbolah jih je dobil po gobcu in to prekleto. Z 100 letali so razbili Libanon, kot takrat, fukus_ ve kdaj.

Poldi in fukus_ kakšen je vajin komentar? Bi bilo treba pustiti, da bi Hezbolah vrgel vso to orožje na Izrael? Bi Izrael moral pustiti tudi zračni obrambi, da to pade na tla, da bi bilo fer po tvoje?

Kaj je hezbolah imel in pripravljal ve samo hezbolah, kar raja ve, je pa izrael dal ven...


Ja seveda, pojdi ti pravljice prodajati na RTV pod članke Kaje S. Torej trdiš, da Izrael ni vedel kje je Haniyeh v Teheranu ob 2.00 ponoči, kako ne bi vedel kje Hezbolah pripravlja lanserje in ima skladišča.

Torej hočeš povedat, da so 7. oktobra 2023 namerno dovolili napad Hamasa?


Tudi če so, je Hamas klal, saj pa niso živali, da jim ne smeš pustiti kletko odprto pa te bo tiger zakalal. Prvič so celo pustili rave party zraven za ljudi, ki podpirajo free palestine in potem dobiš pokol. Nič potem kletko je treba zapret ali prestavit, če te žival napada. Se ti ne zdi. Kaj naj jim potem dajo državo in prosti pretok orožja. Ste znoreli vi, da Iran dobi poligon za testiranje in napadanje Izraela?

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Legon ::

Ja, za apartheid rezim in njegove fanaticne zagovornike, je tudi to da namerno pustis pokol 1000 lastnih drzavljanov nekaj popolnoma normalnega. Kako pa drugace dobit izgovor da nemoteno pobijas drugace mislece ze skoraj eno leto? In potem se javno jokas kako grda je mednarodna skupnost, ki se nad tem zgraza in sanjas o tem kako bi mrtve palestince morali steti v milijonih.

Sync ::

To, da namerno pustiš pokol svojih državljanov je seveda mnenje. Mislim, da ni nobenega verodostojnega dokaza za to, ali se motim in obstaja??

Sicer pa 7.oktober23 se najbrž nebi zgodil, če hamas teroristi čez mejo z Egiptom nebi dobili "vodovodnih" cevi in ostalega sranja na črno.

Bilo kako že je, imet posla z ljudmi, ki si želijo imeti device, obglavljajo ljudi"režejo grla" itn. se grejo neke svete verske vojne izpred 500+ let je tudi nevarno za nasprotno stran.

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fur80 ::

Legon je izjavil:

Ja, za apartheid rezim in njegove fanaticne zagovornike, je tudi to da namerno pustis pokol 1000 lastnih drzavljanov nekaj popolnoma normalnega. Kako pa drugace dobit izgovor da nemoteno pobijas drugace mislece ze skoraj eno leto? In potem se javno jokas kako grda je mednarodna skupnost, ki se nad tem zgraza in sanjas o tem kako bi mrtve palestince morali steti v milijonih.


Meni, tebi, sosedom, ljudem, Avstrijcem, Italjanom tudi naša država pusti vsaki dan, da nas lahko kdo zakolje, pa nas ne in ti jih ne in jaz jih ne. S tem dejanjem so si Palestinci v Gazu uničili suverenost, kaj si mislil, da jim bodo tam potem dali "neodvisno" iransko oazo v državi Izrael.

fikus_ ::

Ni pa mnenje, da so dosti mrtvih civilistov izven Gaze pobila kar IDF sama, je kar dejstvo. So kasneje pobegnila ven pričevanja preživelih.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

fur80 ::

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Ni pa mnenje, da so dosti mrtvih civilistov izven Gaze pobila kar IDF sama, je kar dejstvo. So kasneje pobegnila ven pričevanja preživelih.


Vseeno, kdo misliš, da pri zdravi pameti bo dal sedaj Palestincem v Gazi neodvisno državo s prostim pretokom blaga, potem ko se je pokazalo, da je Hamas samo lutka Irana kot Hezbolah.

fikus_ ::

Hamas in Hezbolah imata kar svoje suverene voditelje (se vidi da pojma nimaš, kako deluje arabski svet), verjamem pa da jih podpira Iran zaradi interesov.
In verjamem, da IL politika ne bo dopustila Palestinske države, ker so od boga poslani da zasedajo tisto zemljo in tepejo vse naokrog, ki drugače razmišljajo.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

kunigunda ::

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kunigunda je izjavil:

fur80 je izjavil:

Strel455 je izjavil:

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https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1827681...
Hezbollah just became the laughingstock of the entire Middle East.


Hezbolah je imel pripravljenih 6000 raket in dronov, uspelo jim jih je poslati 320, ostalo so jim Izraelci potolkli. So verjetno imeli podatke in čakali, da Hezbolah začnejo. Hezbolah jih je dobil po gobcu in to prekleto. Z 100 letali so razbili Libanon, kot takrat, fukus_ ve kdaj.

Poldi in fukus_ kakšen je vajin komentar? Bi bilo treba pustiti, da bi Hezbolah vrgel vso to orožje na Izrael? Bi Izrael moral pustiti tudi zračni obrambi, da to pade na tla, da bi bilo fer po tvoje?

Kaj je hezbolah imel in pripravljal ve samo hezbolah, kar raja ve, je pa izrael dal ven...


Ja seveda, pojdi ti pravljice prodajati na RTV pod članke Kaje S. Torej trdiš, da Izrael ni vedel kje je Haniyeh v Teheranu ob 2.00 ponoči, kako ne bi vedel kje Hezbolah pripravlja lanserje in ima skladišča.

Za Haniyeha vedt kje je ne rabs mossada, vsakic k je bil tm je v isti zgradbi bil nastanjen.
Kar sm pa hotu povedat, izrael je pod pretvezo preemptive strike kot v preteklosti bombardiral vse kar jim ni disalo, bodisi lanserje, skladisca, navadne bajte.
Cist accurate ni blo, ker so zadnje cajte dost slepi (hezbolah jim je razbil vecino opazovalnic na severu). Zame je to navaden napad na drzavo, pa naj stokrat govorijo, da bi drugace bili napadeni. Ce je hezbolah res mislu iz vseh lanserjev vse izstrelit pa mocno dvomim, ker se skoz premikajo in veliko tock niti ni nic pripravljenega imelo.

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Hamas in Hezbolah imata kar svoje suverene voditelje (se vidi da pojma nimaš, kako deluje arabski svet), verjamem pa da jih podpira Iran zaradi interesov.
In verjamem, da IL politika ne bo dopustila Palestinske države, ker so od boga poslani da zasedajo tisto zemljo in tepejo vse naokrog, ki drugače razmišljajo.


Če verjameš v pravljice in točno tako. Še Jezus je bil kralj Izraela in ne Palestine.

Fritz ::

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... in ker najbrž ne bomo naredili nič od tega, kaj zdaj?

Kako ne bomo naredili nič od tega. A nismo mi tisti, ki jih skrbi humanitarna situacija, zaščita človeških življenj, še posebej civilistov, otrok in žensk? Srbijo smo takoj bombardirali, ko je počela 3% tega kar počne apartheid režim. Kako sedaj kar naenkrat toleriramo takšne zločine? A ni to rahlo licemerno pa to?

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Hamas in Hezbolah imata kar svoje suverene voditelje (se vidi da pojma nimaš, kako deluje arabski svet), verjamem pa da jih podpira Iran zaradi interesov.
In verjamem, da IL politika ne bo dopustila Palestinske države, ker so od boga poslani da zasedajo tisto zemljo in tepejo vse naokrog, ki drugače razmišljajo.


Če verjameš v pravljice in točno tako. Še Jezus je bil kralj Izraela in ne Palestine.

Za Jezusa so pisali kralj Judov, kakšnega Izraela neki. Apartheid režim je star natanko 75 let.

INRI (Latin: Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum) represents the Latin inscription (in John 19:19 and Matthew 27:37), which in English translates to "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews"

A ne gre brez laganja?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
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... in ker najbrž ne bomo naredili nič od tega, kaj zdaj?

Kako ne bomo naredili nič od tega. A nismo mi tisti, ki jih skrbi humanitarna situacija, zaščita človeških življenj, še posebej civilistov, otrok in žensk? Srbijo smo takoj bombardirali, ko je počela 3% tega kar počne apartheid režim. Kako sedaj kar naenkrat toleriramo takšne zločine? A ni to rahlo licemerno pa to?

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Hamas in Hezbolah imata kar svoje suverene voditelje (se vidi da pojma nimaš, kako deluje arabski svet), verjamem pa da jih podpira Iran zaradi interesov.
In verjamem, da IL politika ne bo dopustila Palestinske države, ker so od boga poslani da zasedajo tisto zemljo in tepejo vse naokrog, ki drugače razmišljajo.


Če verjameš v pravljice in točno tako. Še Jezus je bil kralj Izraela in ne Palestine.

Za Jezusa so pisali kralj Judov, kakšnega Izraela neki. Apartheid režim je star natanko 75 let.

INRI (Latin: Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum) represents the Latin inscription (in John 19:19 and Matthew 27:37), which in English translates to "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews"

A ne gre brez laganja?


Kaj če ne bi ti vedno na prvo žogo in bi malo preveril zadeve, v svetem pismu imaš oboje.

27 Bible Verses about Christ Is King Of Israel

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/...
Numbers 24:19
Verse Concepts

“One from Jacob shall have dominion,
And will destroy the remnant from the city.”
Micah 5:2
Verse Concepts

“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.”
Matthew 2:6
Verse Concepts

‘And you, Bethlehem, land of Judah,
Are by no means least among the leaders of Judah;
For out of you shall come forth a Ruler
Who will shepherd My people Israel.’”
John 1:49
Verse Concepts

Nathanael answered Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/...

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Dajmo prilepit še približne okvirje starodavnega Izraela (takrat razdeljen med 12 plemen). Današnja Gaza očitno ni bila del takratnega Izraela, del današnje Jordanije in še južni del Libanona pa sta bila pod Izraelom.

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Kaj če ne bi ti vedno na prvo žogo in bi malo preveril zadeve, v svetem pismu imaš oboje.

Jaz ne govorim na pamet. Kraljestvo Izraelitov se omenja izključno v stari zavezi in ne v povezavi z Jezusom. Gre za kraljestvo priseljencev iz Egipta, ki si ga približno predstavljamo po verskih in ne zgodovinskih zapisih. Da je stara zaveza judovska Tora pa ti verjetno ni treba razlagati, anede.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

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Da je stara zaveza judovska Tora pa ti verjetno ni treba razlagati, anede.

Tora je samo del stare zaveze - to so samo mojzesove knjige. Imeli so še knjige prerokov (Izaija, Jeremija, Zaharija...), psalme, knjige kraljev in kroniške knjige.

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Da je stara zaveza judovska Tora pa ti verjetno ni treba razlagati, anede.

Tora je samo del stare zaveze - to so samo mojzesove knjige. Imeli so še knjige prerokov (Izaija, Jeremija, Zaharija...), psalme, knjige kraljev in kroniške knjige.

Pa Talmud, Mišno in Gemaro. A to vse spet nima nobene veze z Jezusom. Jezus je izhajal iz Judaizma a je njegova vera univerzalna tako kot Islam medtem, ko je judaizem usmerjen na Jude in tiste, ki se jim pridružijo.

Kakorkoli obrnemo, Cionizem je kot rasistična ideologija v nasprotju tudi z Judaizmom, saj je v nasprotju s temelji humanizma. Cionizem tako kot Nacizem temelji na etnosupremacizmu.
https://www.huckmag.com/article/zionism...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

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Kaj če ne bi ti vedno na prvo žogo in bi malo preveril zadeve, v svetem pismu imaš oboje.

Jaz ne govorim na pamet. Kraljestvo Izraelitov se omenja izključno v stari zavezi in ne v povezavi z Jezusom. Gre za kraljestvo priseljencev iz Egipta, ki si ga približno predstavljamo po verskih in ne zgodovinskih zapisih. Da je stara zaveza judovska Tora pa ti verjetno ni treba razlagati, anede.


Tako nekako je tole. Kako si pa ti to tolmačiš imaš pa vso pravico! ;)

V Novi zavezi je Jezus pogosto predstavljen kot kralj, vendar ne v političnem ali vojaškem smislu, temveč kot duhovni kralj, Mesija in Božji Sin. Pojem "kralj Izraela" se v Novi zavezi pojavlja v različnih kontekstih, ki poudarjajo njegovo vlogo kot kralja v Božjem kraljestvu.
Jezus kot Kralj Izraela:

Prihod Mesije: Jezus je v Novi zavezi pogosto opisan kot izpolnitev starozaveznih prerokb o prihodu Mesije, kralja, ki bo odrešil Izrael. Prerokbe iz Stare zaveze, kot so tiste iz knjige preroka Izaija in Psalmi, govorijo o kralju, ki bo prišel iz Davidove rodbine in vladal večnemu kraljestvu.

Blagoslov in priznavanje: Ob Jezusovem slovesnem vstopu v Jeruzalem so ga ljudje pozdravljali z vzkliki: "Hozana Davidovemu sinu! Blagoslovljen, ki prihaja v imenu Gospodovem! Hozana na višavah!" (Matej 21,9), kar nakazuje na priznanje, da je Jezus obljubljeni kralj. V evangeliju po Janezu 1,49 apostol Natanael Jezusu pravi: "Ti si Božji Sin, ti si kralj Izraela."

Pilatovo zaslišanje: Med zaslišanjem pred rimskim oblastnikom Poncijem Pilatom je Jezus označen kot "kralj Judov" (Janez 18,33-37). Pilat ga vpraša: "Ali si ti judovski kralj?" Jezus odgovori: "Moje kraljestvo ni od tega sveta..." To kaže na Jezusovo duhovno kraljestvo, ki presega zemeljska kraljestva.

Križanje: Na križu je bila nad Jezusovo glavo postavljena tabla z napisom "Jezus Nazarečan, kralj Judov" (Janez 19,19), kar so Rimljani storili posmehljivo, vendar to simbolizira resnico, da je Jezus kralj, čeprav ne v zemeljskem smislu.

Jezusovo kraljestvo:

V Novi zavezi se Jezusovo kraljestvo vedno znova prikazuje kot duhovno kraljestvo, ki ni omejeno na Izrael, ampak je namenjeno vsem narodom. Njegovo kraljestvo je kraljestvo resnice, ljubezni in pravičnosti, kjer vlada Bog in kjer so vsi povabljeni, da sodelujejo kot Božji otroci.

Tako je Jezus v Novi zavezi priznan kot kralj Izraela, vendar v globljem, duhovnem in univerzalnem smislu, ki presega tradicionalne predstave o kraljestvu.

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Kako ne bomo naredili nič od tega. A nismo mi tisti, ki jih skrbi humanitarna situacija, zaščita človeških življenj, še posebej civilistov, otrok in žensk?


Kdo mi? Za koga/katera človeška življenja tebe humanitarec skrbi, sploh otrok in žensk? Za vse na tej plavi kugli ali samo za določene?

Srbijo smo takoj bombardirali, ko je počela 3% tega kar počne apartheid režim.

Mi"Janezi" nismo Srbije bombardirali, ker smo v NATO organizacijo vstopili 29. marca 2004

NATO je 24. ožujka 1999. godine u 19:45 počeo zračne napade na vojne ciljeve u SRJ.

Jaz ne govorim na pamet.

Mogoče bi bilo boljše, da bi začel.

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Dajmo prilepit še približne okvirje starodavnega Izraela (takrat razdeljen med 12 plemen). Današnja Gaza očitno ni bila del takratnega Izraela, del današnje Jordanije in še južni del Libanona pa sta bila pod Izraelom.



Kaj če bi šli še tisoč let nazaj v preteklost, ali pa mogoče v leto 1890, .... ali ....

Ne pravim da zemljevid ne drži, drži pa da si ga privlekel na plano, ker ustreza tvoji agendi, kar pa ne pomeni da imaš odgovor na današnje stanje.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

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Kaj če ne bi ti vedno na prvo žogo in bi malo preveril zadeve, v svetem pismu imaš oboje.

Jaz ne govorim na pamet. Kraljestvo Izraelitov se omenja izključno v stari zavezi in ne v povezavi z Jezusom. Gre za kraljestvo priseljencev iz Egipta, ki si ga približno predstavljamo po verskih in ne zgodovinskih zapisih. Da je stara zaveza judovska Tora pa ti verjetno ni treba razlagati, anede.


Tako nekako je tole. Kako si pa ti to tolmačiš imaš pa vso pravico! ;)

V Novi zavezi je Jezus pogosto predstavljen kot kralj, vendar ne v političnem ali vojaškem smislu, temveč kot duhovni kralj, Mesija in Božji Sin. Pojem "kralj Izraela" se v Novi zavezi pojavlja v različnih kontekstih, ki poudarjajo njegovo vlogo kot kralja v Božjem kraljestvu.
Jezus kot Kralj Izraela:

Prihod Mesije: Jezus je v Novi zavezi pogosto opisan kot izpolnitev starozaveznih prerokb o prihodu Mesije, kralja, ki bo odrešil Izrael. Prerokbe iz Stare zaveze, kot so tiste iz knjige preroka Izaija in Psalmi, govorijo o kralju, ki bo prišel iz Davidove rodbine in vladal večnemu kraljestvu.

Blagoslov in priznavanje: Ob Jezusovem slovesnem vstopu v Jeruzalem so ga ljudje pozdravljali z vzkliki: "Hozana Davidovemu sinu! Blagoslovljen, ki prihaja v imenu Gospodovem! Hozana na višavah!" (Matej 21,9), kar nakazuje na priznanje, da je Jezus obljubljeni kralj. V evangeliju po Janezu 1,49 apostol Natanael Jezusu pravi: "Ti si Božji Sin, ti si kralj Izraela."

Pilatovo zaslišanje: Med zaslišanjem pred rimskim oblastnikom Poncijem Pilatom je Jezus označen kot "kralj Judov" (Janez 18,33-37). Pilat ga vpraša: "Ali si ti judovski kralj?" Jezus odgovori: "Moje kraljestvo ni od tega sveta..." To kaže na Jezusovo duhovno kraljestvo, ki presega zemeljska kraljestva.

Križanje: Na križu je bila nad Jezusovo glavo postavljena tabla z napisom "Jezus Nazarečan, kralj Judov" (Janez 19,19), kar so Rimljani storili posmehljivo, vendar to simbolizira resnico, da je Jezus kralj, čeprav ne v zemeljskem smislu.

Jezusovo kraljestvo:

V Novi zavezi se Jezusovo kraljestvo vedno znova prikazuje kot duhovno kraljestvo, ki ni omejeno na Izrael, ampak je namenjeno vsem narodom. Njegovo kraljestvo je kraljestvo resnice, ljubezni in pravičnosti, kjer vlada Bog in kjer so vsi povabljeni, da sodelujejo kot Božji otroci.

Tako je Jezus v Novi zavezi priznan kot kralj Izraela, vendar v globljem, duhovnem in univerzalnem smislu, ki presega tradicionalne predstave o kraljestvu.

Torej Jezus ni bil nikakršen kralj Izraela. Še manj zato, ker je celotno območje vzhodnega Mediterana v njegovem času bilo rimska provinca.

Jezus je vse ljudi imel za enake. Cionisti pa še Judov ne smatrajo za enake, saj je v apartheid režimu močna ločnica med Aškenaziji in Sefardi, še večja pa do temnopoltih Judov.


Povezovati Jezusa s cionisti in njihovo apartheid tvorbo je najmanj nekrščansko, če ne še kaj hujšega.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
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