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gibabla ::
No one ever talks about how the Likud party's founding documents declare that Israel should have sovereignty "from the river to the sea."
kunigunda ::
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Francija bo kmal, pac nocjo bit med prvimi
korenje3 ::
Tile hamasovci so res od sile. Da to narediš z nekaj RPG-ji moraš biti pa res sposoben:
https://twitter.com/leftiblog/status/17...
To so naredili izraelski tanki in helikopterji, ki so pobijal vse vprek.
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Rambutan ::
Tile hamasovci so res od sile. Da to narediš z nekaj RPG-ji moraš biti pa res sposoben:
https://twitter.com/leftiblog/status/17...
To so naredili izraelski tanki in helikopterji, ki so pobijal vse vprek.
Tako je, IDF so izvedli ti. operacijo Hannibal. Da bi preprečili zajetje izraelskih talcev, so pobili vse skupaj.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13...
Israel implemented 'mass Hannibal' directive on 7 October: Israeli pilot
Col. Nof Erez says the Israeli military likely killed its own civilians in multiple instances on 7 October to prevent them being taken back to Gaza as captives of Hamas
papasmrk ::
Pri vseh teh gopro kamerah, ki so jih imeli hamasovci niso uspeli posnet IDF kako z tanki in helikopterji masakrira svoje ljudi.
Za komentiranje se moraš prijaviti
Rambutan ::
WHO poroča o katastrofalnih razmerah v Gazi. Izraelci stradajo Palestince, širijo se bolezni. Zda pa to de facto omogočajo z dostavljanjem bomb in blokiranjem resolucij v OZN.
Kakšne načrte sploh ima Izrael z Gazo? Hočejo z izstradanjem 2 milijonov civilistov uničiti Hamas? Hamas ima gotovo zaloge hrane in ga to verjetno ne bo prizadelo.
Bo cel svet mirno spremljal holokavst v živo?
Hamas za zmago potrebuje samo to, da preživijo. Izrael se je zaplezal, to vojno bodo izgubili. Samo od ZDA pa je odvisno, kdaj bodo ustavili to katastrofo. Več časa kot bodo Zda to dopuščale, bolj bosta Izrael in Zda izgubljala še tisto malo ugleda, kar ga še imata po svetu...
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/17378883...
Lethal combination of hunger and disease to lead to more deaths in #Gaza
Hunger is ravaging Gaza, and this is expected to increase illness across the Strip, most acutely among children, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and older people.
In new estimates released today, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) global partnership, which includes WHO, said Gaza is facing "catastrophic levels of food insecurity," with the risk of famine "increasing each day."
An unprecedented 93% of the population in Gaza is facing crisis levels of hunger, with insufficient food and high levels of malnutrition. At least 1 in 4 households is facing "catastrophic conditions": experiencing an extreme lack of food and starvation and having resorted to selling off their possessions and other extreme measures to afford a simple meal. Starvation, destitution and death are evident.
On recent missions to north Gaza, WHO staff say that every single person they spoke to in Gaza is hungry. Wherever they went, including hospitals and emergency wards, people asked them for food. "We move around Gaza delivering medical supplies, and people rush to our trucks hoping it's food," they said, calling it "an indicator of the desperation."
Infectious diseases are thriving
Gaza is already experiencing soaring rates of infectious diseases. Over 100 000 cases of diarrhoea have been reported since mid-October. Half of these are among young children under the age of 5 years, case numbers that are 25 times what were reported before the conflict.
Over 150 000 cases of upper respiratory infection and numerous cases of meningitis, skin rashes, scabies, lice and chickenpox have been reported. Hepatitis is also suspected, as many people present with the telltale signs of jaundice.
While a healthy body can more easily fight off these diseases, a wasted and weakened body will struggle. Hunger weakens the body's defences and opens the door to disease.
Malnutrition increases the risk of children dying from illnesses like diarrhoea, pneumonia and measles, especially in a setting where they lack access to life-saving health services.
Even if the child survives, wasting can have life-long impacts as it stunts growth and impairs cognitive development.
Breastfeeding mothers are also at high risk of malnutrition. From 0-6 months of age, a mother's milk is the best and safest food a baby can get. This protects the child from nutritional deficiencies and catching deadly diseases such as diarrhoea, especially when access to safe drinking water is extremely limited.
Mental health issues, on the rise across the population in Gaza, including among women, could further impact breastfeeding rates.
Lack of sanitation and hygiene, and a collapsing health system, add to the toxic mix
Over 1.9 million people have been displaced from their homes, of whom over 1.4 million are staying in overcrowded shelters. These conditions are ripe for a continued rise in infectious diseases. In Gaza today, on average, there is only one shower for every 4500 people and one toilet for every 220. Clean water remains scarce, and there are rising levels of outdoor defecation. These conditions make the spread of infectious diseases inevitable.
Tragically, access to health services across Gaza has plummeted as the war continues to degrade the health system. With the health system on its knees, those facing the deadly combination of hunger and disease are left with few options.
The people of Gaza, who have already suffered enough, now face death from starvation and diseases that could be easily treated with a functioning health system. This must stop. Food and other aid must flow in far greater amounts. WHO reiterates its call for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire.
Kakšne načrte sploh ima Izrael z Gazo? Hočejo z izstradanjem 2 milijonov civilistov uničiti Hamas? Hamas ima gotovo zaloge hrane in ga to verjetno ne bo prizadelo.
Bo cel svet mirno spremljal holokavst v živo?
Hamas za zmago potrebuje samo to, da preživijo. Izrael se je zaplezal, to vojno bodo izgubili. Samo od ZDA pa je odvisno, kdaj bodo ustavili to katastrofo. Več časa kot bodo Zda to dopuščale, bolj bosta Izrael in Zda izgubljala še tisto malo ugleda, kar ga še imata po svetu...
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/17378883...
Lethal combination of hunger and disease to lead to more deaths in #Gaza
Hunger is ravaging Gaza, and this is expected to increase illness across the Strip, most acutely among children, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and older people.
In new estimates released today, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) global partnership, which includes WHO, said Gaza is facing "catastrophic levels of food insecurity," with the risk of famine "increasing each day."
An unprecedented 93% of the population in Gaza is facing crisis levels of hunger, with insufficient food and high levels of malnutrition. At least 1 in 4 households is facing "catastrophic conditions": experiencing an extreme lack of food and starvation and having resorted to selling off their possessions and other extreme measures to afford a simple meal. Starvation, destitution and death are evident.
On recent missions to north Gaza, WHO staff say that every single person they spoke to in Gaza is hungry. Wherever they went, including hospitals and emergency wards, people asked them for food. "We move around Gaza delivering medical supplies, and people rush to our trucks hoping it's food," they said, calling it "an indicator of the desperation."
Infectious diseases are thriving
Gaza is already experiencing soaring rates of infectious diseases. Over 100 000 cases of diarrhoea have been reported since mid-October. Half of these are among young children under the age of 5 years, case numbers that are 25 times what were reported before the conflict.
Over 150 000 cases of upper respiratory infection and numerous cases of meningitis, skin rashes, scabies, lice and chickenpox have been reported. Hepatitis is also suspected, as many people present with the telltale signs of jaundice.
While a healthy body can more easily fight off these diseases, a wasted and weakened body will struggle. Hunger weakens the body's defences and opens the door to disease.
Malnutrition increases the risk of children dying from illnesses like diarrhoea, pneumonia and measles, especially in a setting where they lack access to life-saving health services.
Even if the child survives, wasting can have life-long impacts as it stunts growth and impairs cognitive development.
Breastfeeding mothers are also at high risk of malnutrition. From 0-6 months of age, a mother's milk is the best and safest food a baby can get. This protects the child from nutritional deficiencies and catching deadly diseases such as diarrhoea, especially when access to safe drinking water is extremely limited.
Mental health issues, on the rise across the population in Gaza, including among women, could further impact breastfeeding rates.
Lack of sanitation and hygiene, and a collapsing health system, add to the toxic mix
Over 1.9 million people have been displaced from their homes, of whom over 1.4 million are staying in overcrowded shelters. These conditions are ripe for a continued rise in infectious diseases. In Gaza today, on average, there is only one shower for every 4500 people and one toilet for every 220. Clean water remains scarce, and there are rising levels of outdoor defecation. These conditions make the spread of infectious diseases inevitable.
Tragically, access to health services across Gaza has plummeted as the war continues to degrade the health system. With the health system on its knees, those facing the deadly combination of hunger and disease are left with few options.
The people of Gaza, who have already suffered enough, now face death from starvation and diseases that could be easily treated with a functioning health system. This must stop. Food and other aid must flow in far greater amounts. WHO reiterates its call for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire.
Pri vseh teh gopro kamerah, ki so jih imeli hamasovci niso uspeli posnet IDF kako z tanki in helikopterji masakrira svoje ljudi.
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Rambutan ::
Pri vseh teh gopro kamerah, ki so jih imeli hamasovci niso uspeli posnet IDF kako z tanki in helikopterji masakrira svoje ljudi.
Izvoli posnetek, kako IDF s tanki napada izraelski kibuc:
https://twitter.com/kongur_/status/1737...
Sicer ti celo IDF poročnik priznava, da so IDF sami s tanki streljali na talce in Hamas. Za kaj bi ti potreboval posnetke?
BTW, k izraelskim žrtvam Hamasa so prištevali tudi pripadnike Hamasa, ki so jih IDF skupaj s talci pobili. Šele z DNK analizo so odkrili pripadnike Hamasa med žrtvami.
Tukaj imaš še več izraelskih pričevanj, da so IDF s tanki streljali na izraelski kibuc, v katerem so bili tako Hamas kot Izraelci. Seveda vse te žrtve prištevajo Hamasu...
https://twitter.com/503i7/status/173545...
https://twitter.com/leftiblog/status/17...
https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/stat...
gibabla ::
Hm,
Otroki, ostareli, invalidi. Verjetno je to posledica, ko pošlješ 18 letne verske fanatike z ameriškim orožjem nad civile in praviš da to niso ljudje...
A statement released by the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem confirmed that an Israeli sniper murdered two Christian women inside the Holy Family Parish where the majority of Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war.
Otroki, ostareli, invalidi. Verjetno je to posledica, ko pošlješ 18 letne verske fanatike z ameriškim orožjem nad civile in praviš da to niso ljudje...
A statement released by the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem confirmed that an Israeli sniper murdered two Christian women inside the Holy Family Parish where the majority of Christian families have taken refuge since the start of the war.
sbawe64 ::
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Važno da so Sejšeli zraven, ki sploh nimajo vojne mornarice, temveč samo obalno stražo.
Drugače tole spominja na iraško koalicijo voljnih.
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papasmrk ::
Leta 2023 dajete posnetke z ločljivostjo 100x presnetih VHS kaset. Za vzor si vzami hamas kako se stvari posnamejo. Don't buy it. Še vedno se mi hamasovci & co smilijo.
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Rambutan ::
Leta 2023 dajete posnetke z ločljivostjo 100x presnetih VHS kaset. Za vzor si vzami hamas kako se stvari posnamejo. Don't buy it. Še vedno se mi hamasovci & co smilijo.
Saj imaš še 3 dodatna pričevanja Izralcev v HD kakovosti, ki potrjujejo , da so IDF s tanki streljali na izraelske civiliste. Je pa zanimivo, da te pri posnetkih, ki ne pritrjujejo tvojemu prepričanju, moti slaba kakovost. Lahko se pritožiš Izraelcem, oni so to posneli.
Se pa strinjam s tabo, da ima Hamas boljše posnetke. Spodaj je nekaj iz posnetkov uničenja oklepnikov iz zasede. Pri gverilski vojni ni fronte, nevarnost preži od vsepovsod...
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/80818
Chalky ::
Iran naj bi napadel transportno ladjo v lasti Izraela ki naj bi dovažala nafto iz Savdske Arabije v Indijo. Na krovi naj bi bilo 20 Indijcev.
Today was an important day. A suicide drone launched from Iran struck the Israeli-linked tanker MV Chem Pluto 350 km off the Indian coast. The vessel is carrying crude oil from Saudi Arabia to India. 20 Indian sailors are on board. Iran is attacking Saudi and Indian interests.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1...
Bo zanimivo videti koliko časa bodo ostale države še gledale podobne napade. Na srečo naj nebi bil poškodovan oziroma ubit noben Indijc. Drugače je pa tako nemogoče povedati kdo je na krovu ladij tako da ne vem kaj je sploh poanta Houtijev in Irana. Ladja je Izraelska ljudje na njej so pa iz različnih držav tako da mi ni jasno kaj misli Iran da bodo ostale države samo gledale? Ladja je tu še najmanjšega pomena.
Naj bi pa Iran danes grozil da naj bi se zdaj fokusiral tudi na mediterantsko morje in da naj bi zaprli Gibraltar. Sicer ne vem kako ampak namen je jasen. Terorizirati pomorske poti in ožine kar je precej navarno početje.
Today was an important day. A suicide drone launched from Iran struck the Israeli-linked tanker MV Chem Pluto 350 km off the Indian coast. The vessel is carrying crude oil from Saudi Arabia to India. 20 Indian sailors are on board. Iran is attacking Saudi and Indian interests.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1...
Bo zanimivo videti koliko časa bodo ostale države še gledale podobne napade. Na srečo naj nebi bil poškodovan oziroma ubit noben Indijc. Drugače je pa tako nemogoče povedati kdo je na krovu ladij tako da ne vem kaj je sploh poanta Houtijev in Irana. Ladja je Izraelska ljudje na njej so pa iz različnih držav tako da mi ni jasno kaj misli Iran da bodo ostale države samo gledale? Ladja je tu še najmanjšega pomena.
Naj bi pa Iran danes grozil da naj bi se zdaj fokusiral tudi na mediterantsko morje in da naj bi zaprli Gibraltar. Sicer ne vem kako ampak namen je jasen. Terorizirati pomorske poti in ožine kar je precej navarno početje.
Utk ::
Ne da so jim Rusi morali dvakrat rečt, ampak zakaj v resnici to delajo? Ko bojo dobili po pički bojo pa spet jokali po cigansko, kot znajo samo tam naokoli.
fur80 ::
Hutiji grozijo! Sicer ne vem kaj bodo napadli s temi ribiškimi čolni in kako so si oni to zamislili, pa vseeno. Se bo stopnjevalo, da prve resne napake Irana ali Hutijev, potem si bodo pa lizali rane.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/173...
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/173...
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Chalky ::
Hutiji grozijo! Sicer ne vem kaj bodo napadli s temi ribiškimi čolni in kako so si oni to zamislili, pa vseeno. Se bo stopnjevalo, da prve resne napake Irana ali Hutijev, potem si bodo pa lizali rane.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/173...
Saj se mi smilijo ampak očitno prav iščejo probleme. Vodja Houtijev je nekaj dni nazaj povedal da si želi da se ZDA direktno spopadejo s Houtiji. Sicer ne vem kaj je poanta vsega skupaj ampak ali res tam nihče ne razume kako se bo vse skupaj končalo?
Tam so res vsi čudni. Jemen je na robu Famina vendar ko gre za orožje in zganjanje problemov imajo pa vedno čas in denar. Iran jih pridno zalaga z orožjem. Savdska Arabija se potem pritožuje ko kakšna raketa zadane njihove naftne ploščadi medtem ko so glede Irana tiho kot miši.
Medtem Američani proizvedejo več nafte kot katerakoli država v zgodovini:
The US is producing more oil right now 'than any country in history,' S&P Global says
https://markets.businessinsider.com/new...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi...
Iran računa da bo z zaprtjem Hormuške ožine povečal ceno nafte. ZDA bodo pa verjetno še bistveno povečale proizvodnjo tako da bodo cene tudi v primeru vojne z Iranom ostale dokaj stabilne. ZDA imajo dovolj nafte in dovolj velike proizvodnje kapacitete da lahko držijo cene precej nizko če bi to zares želeli.
Rambutan ::
Hutiji grozijo! Sicer ne vem kaj bodo napadli s temi ribiškimi čolni in kako so si oni to zamislili, pa vseeno. Se bo stopnjevalo, da prve resne napake Irana ali Hutijev, potem si bodo pa lizali rane.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/173...
Hutiji imajo cel kup različnih raket in dronov, s katerimi so "prepričali" tudi SA, da z njimi ni dobro zobati češenj in je bila SA prisiljena končati svojo proxy vojno proti Hutijem. SA niso pomagali niti Patriot sistemi. SA je od 2014 poskušala premagati Hutije, pa jim to ni uspelo. SA so pri tem pomagale celo ZDA.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2...
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Močno dvomim, da bi ZDA lahko premagale Hutije samo iz zraka, brez kopenskega posega, ki pa je zelo malo verjeten. Za ZDA bi bilo zelo neumno, da bi sprožile ta konflikt s Hutiji samo zato, da bi lahko Izrael še naprej izvajal genocid nad Palestinci. Nikakor pa to ni nemogoče pri trenutni ameriški administraciji...
cirecire ::
Kyle Kulinski je dobro opisal, da obstajajo za Gazo in Zahodni breg le 4 možne "rešitve":
- Uradna razdelitev na dve, mednarodno priznani državi. Judovsko državo Izrael in Palestino
- Vzpostavitev ene, skupne države, kjer imajo vsi državljani (popolnoma) enake pravice
- Zavzetje in nadzor nad celotnim območjem s strani Izraela in izvajanje oz. nadaljevanje apardheida nad palestinci
- Popoln genocid in / ali etnično čiščenje območja in postopna naselitev z judivskimi naseljenci
Trenutna vladajoča izraelska desničarska politika noče niti slišati o prvih dveh opcijah, torej ostane le.... 3 & 4
Lahko bi dodal še peto in šesto opcijo:
-Američani Židom, katere imajo tako radi, odstopijo del puščave v Arizoni ali Nevadi in Židi iz Izraela tam tam ustanovijo svojo državo.
-Žide iz Izraela v svojo državo sprejme Velika Britanija, saj so ravno Britanci z Belfurjevo deklaracijo Palesticem ukradli zemljo in
jo dali Židom in od takrat po zaslugi Britancev vladata kaos in vojne na BV.
Rambutan ::
Hutiji grozijo! Sicer ne vem kaj bodo napadli s temi ribiškimi čolni in kako so si oni to zamislili, pa vseeno. Se bo stopnjevalo, da prve resne napake Irana ali Hutijev, potem si bodo pa lizali rane.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/173...
Saj se mi smilijo ampak očitno prav iščejo probleme. Vodja Houtijev je nekaj dni nazaj povedal da si želi da se ZDA direktno spopadejo s Houtiji. Sicer ne vem kaj je poanta vsega skupaj ampak ali res tam nihče ne razume kako se bo vse skupaj končalo?
Tam so res vsi čudni. Jemen je na robu Famina vendar ko gre za orožje in zganjanje problemov imajo pa vedno čas in denar. Iran jih pridno zalaga z orožjem. Savdska Arabija se potem pritožuje ko kakšna raketa zadane njihove naftne ploščadi medtem ko so glede Irana tiho kot miši.
Medtem Američani proizvedejo več nafte kot katerakoli država v zgodovini:
The US is producing more oil right now 'than any country in history,' S&P Global says
https://markets.businessinsider.com/new...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi...
Iran računa da bo z zaprtjem Hormuške ožine povečal ceno nafte. ZDA bodo pa verjetno še bistveno povečale proizvodnjo tako da bodo cene tudi v primeru vojne z Iranom ostale dokaj stabilne. ZDA imajo dovolj nafte in dovolj velike proizvodnje kapacitete da lahko držijo cene precej nizko če bi to zares želeli.
ZDA nikakor nimajo dovolj kapacitet, da bi lahko držali svetovne cene nafte na stabilnem nivoju. Skozi Hormuško ožino poteka 21% svetovnega prometa z nafto. V primeru razširitve konflikta na Iran bi ta zagotovo zaprl promet če prišteješ zraven še nafto iz Rusije in Irana, je svet takoj v novi naftni krizi, verjetno največji do sedaj. ZDA verjetno imajo dovolj nafte zase, kot pri ostalih ameriških vojaških avanturah pa bi spet na***ali mi v EU.
The Strait of Hormuz is the world's most important oil chokepoint because large volumes of oil flow through the strait. In 2022, its oil flow averaged 21 million barrels per day (b/d), or the equivalent of about 21% of global petroleum liquids consumption.
papasmrk ::
Močno dvomim, da bi ZDA lahko premagale Hutije samo iz zraka, brez kopenskega posega, ki pa je zelo malo verjeten. Za ZDA bi bilo zelo neumno, da bi sprožile ta konflikt s Hutiji samo zato, da bi lahko Izrael še naprej izvajal genocid nad Palestinci. Nikakor pa to ni nemogoče pri trenutni ameriški administraciji...
Zadnjih nekaj desetletij so vsi, ki so se spopadli z USA končali s precej rabitim zobovjem. Mislim, da tudi s Hutiji ne bi bilo nič drugače...
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Rambutan ::
Močno dvomim, da bi ZDA lahko premagale Hutije samo iz zraka, brez kopenskega posega, ki pa je zelo malo verjeten. Za ZDA bi bilo zelo neumno, da bi sprožile ta konflikt s Hutiji samo zato, da bi lahko Izrael še naprej izvajal genocid nad Palestinci. Nikakor pa to ni nemogoče pri trenutni ameriški administraciji...
Zadnjih nekaj desetletij so vsi, ki so se spopadli z USA končali s precej rabitim zobovjem. Mislim, da tudi s Hutiji ne bi bilo nič drugače...
ZDA so izgubile v Vietnamu, Afganistanu, Iraku in Siriji. Uspešno so sicer uničile Libijo, ki so jo pahnile iz najbolj razvite afriške države v katastrofo. Še proxy vojno v Ukrajini bo NATO gladko izgubil. Katero vojno so ZDA zmagale po WW2?
TESKAn ::
Po kakšni metriki so ZDA izgubile v afganistanu, iraku?
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
Rambutan ::
Po kakšni metriki so ZDA izgubile v afganistanu, iraku?
Po vojaški metriki, Talibani so jih nagnali ven, niti organizirano se niso uspeli umakniti. Si pozabil na prizore iz Afganistana, ko so obupani afganistanski kooperanti viseli iz letal ko so jih ZDA prepustile na milost Talibanom?
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affa...
It followed harrowing pictures of desperate Afghans clinging to a US Air Force C17 as it spirited the lucky few to a faraway airbase. Those scenes will be forever with us, along with the helicopter leaving the American embassy in Saigon on April 30, 1975.
These were terrible events: moments of great humiliation and defeat for a great nation which has been the bastion of liberalism and freedom throughout modern history.
Seveda so bili po metriki privatiziranja dobička veliki zmagovalci privat izvajalci, ki so na veliko kradli.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics...
In the interviews, key figures in the war said Washington tolerated the worst offenders — warlords, drug traffickers, defense contractors — because they were allies of the United States.
But they said the U.S. government failed to confront a more distressing reality — that it was responsible for fueling the corruption, by doling out vast sums of money with limited foresight or regard for the consequences.
Zelo uspešni so bili tudi v metriki proizvodnje heroina v Afganistanu. Po ameriški okupaciji se je proizvodnja heroina povečala za 30 krat!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
The simple facts are that opium production was high under the US influenced government of Afghanistan of the 1970s, decreased 10-fold by 2001 under the Taliban, and then increased 30-fold and more under the US to the same level as in the 1970s.2
V Iraku je bila podobna zgodba, uničena država, po umiku Američanov pa je Irak padel pod vpliv Irana.
TESKAn ::
Po vojaški metriki, Talibani so jih nagnali ven
Nagnali ven? Tako ti poimenuješ, ko se je trump odločil da bodo šli ven? Vojaško namiguje, da so jih nagnali z orožjem, nekako se ne spomnim, da bi to bil ravno nek faktor pri umiku.
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
Rambutan ::
Po vojaški metriki, Talibani so jih nagnali ven
Nagnali ven? Tako ti poimenuješ, ko se je trump odločil da bodo šli ven? Vojaško namiguje, da so jih nagnali z orožjem, nekako se ne spomnim, da bi to bil ravno nek faktor pri umiku.
Talibani so pred odhodom Američanov že imeli kontrolo velike dele Afganistana. Takoj po odhodu so Talibani zavzeli cel Afganistan. To se je zgodilo po 20 letih okupacije in zapravljenih 2.300 miljard USD. 20 let so nas prali s propagande o demokratizaciji, o Afganistanski vojski, ki bo obranila državo pred Talibani.
Tukaj imaš lepo animacijo, kako so Talibani takoj zasedli cel Afganistan.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-579...
Po kakšnem kriteriju pa ti označuješ ameriško okupacijo Afganistana za uspeh? Po tvoje je vsega kriv Trump, ki je prišel na oblast po 16 letih okupacije, in se odločil za umik iz Afganistana?
Chalky ::
Rambutan: danes, 20:42:59
ZDA trenutno proizvedejo 13.3 milijonov sodov na dan. Savdska Arabija 9 milijonov ter Rusija še dodatnih 9 milijonov se pravi skupaj 18 milijonov. ZDA bo v roku 2 let proizvedla več nafte kot Savdska Arabija in Rusija skupaj. Če dodamo še Kanado potem ZDA in Kanada že zdaj proizvedeta skoraj toliko kot Rusija in Savdska Arabija. Tu sploh ne govorimo o ameriški neodvisnosti od nafte ampak o tem da bodo lahko ZDA preko črpanja lažje prilagajale ceno. Američani so tudi na 4 mestu po izvozu nafte in so za Rusijo zgolj za 1 milijon sodov. Kljub temu je pa nekaj jasno, če bodo zapirali Hormuško ožino kdo misliš do bo imel večji problem ZDA ali recimo Kitajska? Kitajska uvozi vso nafto in jo rabijo 100x bolj kot Američani.
Američani se nebi vojskovali z Iranom zaradi Hormuške ožino ampak zaradi preostalih razlogov. Iran in jedrsko orožje, Iran in grožnje Izraelu, Iran in podpiranje ostalih terorističnih organizacij na Bližnjem vzhodu itd. Zaradi nafte in blokade se ZDA zagotovo nebi zapletale z Iranom.
CHART OF THE DAY: US crude oil production jumps to record high of 13.3 million barrels per day
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chart-da...
ZDA trenutno proizvedejo 13.3 milijonov sodov na dan. Savdska Arabija 9 milijonov ter Rusija še dodatnih 9 milijonov se pravi skupaj 18 milijonov. ZDA bo v roku 2 let proizvedla več nafte kot Savdska Arabija in Rusija skupaj. Če dodamo še Kanado potem ZDA in Kanada že zdaj proizvedeta skoraj toliko kot Rusija in Savdska Arabija. Tu sploh ne govorimo o ameriški neodvisnosti od nafte ampak o tem da bodo lahko ZDA preko črpanja lažje prilagajale ceno. Američani so tudi na 4 mestu po izvozu nafte in so za Rusijo zgolj za 1 milijon sodov. Kljub temu je pa nekaj jasno, če bodo zapirali Hormuško ožino kdo misliš do bo imel večji problem ZDA ali recimo Kitajska? Kitajska uvozi vso nafto in jo rabijo 100x bolj kot Američani.
Američani se nebi vojskovali z Iranom zaradi Hormuške ožino ampak zaradi preostalih razlogov. Iran in jedrsko orožje, Iran in grožnje Izraelu, Iran in podpiranje ostalih terorističnih organizacij na Bližnjem vzhodu itd. Zaradi nafte in blokade se ZDA zagotovo nebi zapletale z Iranom.
CHART OF THE DAY: US crude oil production jumps to record high of 13.3 million barrels per day
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chart-da...
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Rambutan ::
ZDA ne gre vse po načrtih, pritisk na ZDA in Izrael se stopnjuje.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/18...
President Biden has supported Israel's campaign to "destroy Hamas" in Gaza, despite international concern that the Israeli response, which has killed more than 20,000 Palestinians, could be disproportionate.
However, Mr Biden did warn Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that his country is losing the support of the international community.
He said last week that Israel “has the European Union, it has Europe, it has most of the world supporting them, but they’re starting to lose that support by indiscriminate bombing that takes place”.
Recent polling has now shown that Mr Biden's hopes of being reelected may have been impacted by his stance on the conflict in the Middle East.
A recent poll from The New York Times and Siena College found that only one-third of registered voters approve of President Biden’s handling of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The survey also showed that 37 percent of registered voters approve of Mr Biden as a president overall.
Of voters younger than 30, a key demographic for the Democrats, Mr Biden's approval rating is just 26 percent overall 20 percent on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Overall, 19 percent of registered voters say both that they disapprove of Biden on the conflict and that it’s because he’s too supportive of Israel, rising to 45 percent among voters younger than 30.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/18...
President Biden has supported Israel's campaign to "destroy Hamas" in Gaza, despite international concern that the Israeli response, which has killed more than 20,000 Palestinians, could be disproportionate.
However, Mr Biden did warn Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that his country is losing the support of the international community.
He said last week that Israel “has the European Union, it has Europe, it has most of the world supporting them, but they’re starting to lose that support by indiscriminate bombing that takes place”.
Recent polling has now shown that Mr Biden's hopes of being reelected may have been impacted by his stance on the conflict in the Middle East.
A recent poll from The New York Times and Siena College found that only one-third of registered voters approve of President Biden’s handling of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The survey also showed that 37 percent of registered voters approve of Mr Biden as a president overall.
Of voters younger than 30, a key demographic for the Democrats, Mr Biden's approval rating is just 26 percent overall 20 percent on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Overall, 19 percent of registered voters say both that they disapprove of Biden on the conflict and that it’s because he’s too supportive of Israel, rising to 45 percent among voters younger than 30.
FiReFTW ::
Mi lahko nekdo razloži kako to da države kot Iran, Severna Koreja, Venezuela, Rusija itd.... naredijo nekaj spornega pa cel zahodni svet vrže 100 sankcij na njihove države, medtem ko izrael dela nekaj kar je dosti huje kot bilkera stvar od teh držav v zadnjih 20 letih, in jo zahod podpira? Sploh ZDA.
To je resno vprašanje ker dejansko ne kapiram tega.
To je resno vprašanje ker dejansko ne kapiram tega.
IgorCardanof ::
Mi lahko nekdo razloži kako to da države kot Iran, Severna Koreja, Venezuela, Rusija itd.... naredijo nekaj spornega pa cel zahodni svet vrže 100 sankcij na njihove države, medtem ko izrael dela nekaj kar je dosti huje kot bilkera stvar od teh držav v zadnjih 20 letih, in jo zahod podpira? Sploh ZDA.
To je resno vprašanje ker dejansko ne kapiram tega.
A ta miselni preskok ti je res tako težko narest? Tretiraš svoje prijatelje in sovražnike na enak način?
Retail investor, Simp, Crypto analyst, Cardano hejtr
Ne odgovarjam na DM.
Ne odgovarjam na DM.
NuMaN ::
Prijatelje?
Saj recimo Izraelce mara le peščica, malo več ZDA.
Na njihovi strani s(m)o samo zaradi interesov, pa tudi zaradi dejstva, da bi pod kakimi Rusi živeli slabše.
Saj recimo Izraelce mara le peščica, malo več ZDA.
Na njihovi strani s(m)o samo zaradi interesov, pa tudi zaradi dejstva, da bi pod kakimi Rusi živeli slabše.
Utk ::
Zakaj to pišeš kot da je kaj narobe s tem?
Ja, smo del nekega bloka. Če nekdo od nasprotnega bloka pikne nekoga od naših, ne bomo našega kaznovali tolk kot nasprotnega, če mu vrne. Ni to nobeno prijateljstvo, ampak so interesi, jasno. Samo v vaši domišliji je svet pravičen, mi zmeraj na strani pravičnih, vsi pa zmeraj načelni. Zakaj pa muslimani ne pomagajo kaj dost drugim muslimanom, če so oni tako načelni.
Naš blok je pa pač boljši, ker se nam zmeraj lahko pridruži kdorkoli hoče in bo takoj dobil vse benefite. Kuba samo naredi normalne volitve in bojo sankcije v par mesecih ukinjene. Izrael lahko naredi kar hoče, še zmeraj ga bojo hoteli eleminirat.
Ja, smo del nekega bloka. Če nekdo od nasprotnega bloka pikne nekoga od naših, ne bomo našega kaznovali tolk kot nasprotnega, če mu vrne. Ni to nobeno prijateljstvo, ampak so interesi, jasno. Samo v vaši domišliji je svet pravičen, mi zmeraj na strani pravičnih, vsi pa zmeraj načelni. Zakaj pa muslimani ne pomagajo kaj dost drugim muslimanom, če so oni tako načelni.
Naš blok je pa pač boljši, ker se nam zmeraj lahko pridruži kdorkoli hoče in bo takoj dobil vse benefite. Kuba samo naredi normalne volitve in bojo sankcije v par mesecih ukinjene. Izrael lahko naredi kar hoče, še zmeraj ga bojo hoteli eleminirat.
fur80 ::
Po kakšni metriki so ZDA izgubile v afganistanu, iraku?
Po vojaški metriki, Talibani so jih nagnali ven, niti organizirano se niso uspeli umakniti. Si pozabil na prizore iz Afganistana, ko so obupani afganistanski kooperanti viseli iz letal ko so jih ZDA prepustile na milost Talibanom?
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affa...
It followed harrowing pictures of desperate Afghans clinging to a US Air Force C17 as it spirited the lucky few to a faraway airbase. Those scenes will be forever with us, along with the helicopter leaving the American embassy in Saigon on April 30, 1975.
These were terrible events: moments of great humiliation and defeat for a great nation which has been the bastion of liberalism and freedom throughout modern history.
Seveda so bili po metriki privatiziranja dobička veliki zmagovalci privat izvajalci, ki so na veliko kradli.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics...
In the interviews, key figures in the war said Washington tolerated the worst offenders — warlords, drug traffickers, defense contractors — because they were allies of the United States.
But they said the U.S. government failed to confront a more distressing reality — that it was responsible for fueling the corruption, by doling out vast sums of money with limited foresight or regard for the consequences.
Zelo uspešni so bili tudi v metriki proizvodnje heroina v Afganistanu. Po ameriški okupaciji se je proizvodnja heroina povečala za 30 krat!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
The simple facts are that opium production was high under the US influenced government of Afghanistan of the 1970s, decreased 10-fold by 2001 under the Taliban, and then increased 30-fold and more under the US to the same level as in the 1970s.2
V Iraku je bila podobna zgodba, uničena država, po umiku Američanov pa je Irak padel pod vpliv Irana.
ČE izgubiš vojno si verjetno gospodarsko na tleh, druga država te premaga, prodati si moral večino gospodarstva za nakup orožja, izgubiš ozemlje, podpišeš predajo, imaš mrtve civiliste, imaš več mrtvih vojakov od nasprotnika,... kaj od tega je imela USA?
Eno je, da se umakneš ko dosežeš cilj, čisto nekaj drugega pa je ko izgubiš vojno.
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Rambutan ::
Mi lahko nekdo razloži kako to da države kot Iran, Severna Koreja, Venezuela, Rusija itd.... naredijo nekaj spornega pa cel zahodni svet vrže 100 sankcij na njihove države, medtem ko izrael dela nekaj kar je dosti huje kot bilkera stvar od teh držav v zadnjih 20 letih, in jo zahod podpira? Sploh ZDA.
To je resno vprašanje ker dejansko ne kapiram tega.
To je t.i. "Rules based order", ki ga zahodna propaganda tako rada opeva, niso pa ta pravila nikjer zapisana in nihče jih ni uradno sprejel. ZDA in zavezniki se imajo za večvredne in si sproti izmišljujejo ta pravila, kot jim ustreza. To so še ostaline kolonialne preteklosti Zahoda, ko smo nasilno osvajali druge kontinente in jih ropali, to smo pa opravičevali s tem, da jim prinašamo "civiliziranost".
To je lepo vidno v odnosu Zahoda do Izraela in do Rusije. Izrael je v 3 tednih povzročil več civilnih žrtev kot Rusija v skoraj 2 letih, Rusija ima 12. krog sankcij, ZDA pa še naprej podpirajo Izrael. Putin to zelo lepo razloži:
Globalni jug pa vso to hinavščino gleda in se združuje v BRICS. Ne smemo biti presenečeni, ko se nam bo na Zahodu to maščevalo.
NuMaN ::
Zakaj to pišeš kot da je kaj narobe s tem?
Ja, smo del nekega bloka. Če nekdo od nasprotnega bloka pikne nekoga od naših, ne bomo našega kaznovali tolk kot nasprotnega, če mu vrne. Ni to nobeno prijateljstvo, ampak so interesi, jasno. Samo v vaši domišliji je svet pravičen, mi zmeraj na strani pravičnih, vsi pa zmeraj načelni. Zakaj pa muslimani ne pomagajo kaj dost drugim muslimanom, če so oni tako načelni.
Naš blok je pa pač boljši, ker se nam zmeraj lahko pridruži kdorkoli hoče in bo takoj dobil vse benefite. Kuba samo naredi normalne volitve in bojo sankcije v par mesecih ukinjene. Izrael lahko naredi kar hoče, še zmeraj ga bojo hoteli eleminirat.
Ne gre za pravičnost. Gre samo za to, kaj je bolje za nas. Če pogledam dogajanje zadnjih 10 let, nismo ravno profitirali od naših zaveznikov (Američani, Britanci).
Proksi vojna v Ukrajini, ki nam škodi - seveda Britancem in Američanom ne, priliv migrantov, ki nas destabilizira (še od prej kot posledica sesutja Libije).
Edina stvar, ki nam niso anglosasi spohali je jebeni zeleni prehod - taka neumnost lahko zraste samo v nemških beticah.
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Rambutan ::
ČE izgubiš vojno si verjetno gospodarsko na tleh, druga država te premaga, prodati si moral večino gospodarstva za nakup orožja, izgubiš ozemlje, podpišeš predajo, imaš mrtve civiliste, imaš več mrtvih vojakov od nasprotnika,... kaj od tega je imela USA?
Eno je, da se umakneš ko dosežeš cilj, čisto nekaj drugega pa je ko izgubiš vojno.
Še vrhovni poveljnik ameriške vojske je priznal, da je Afganistan bil za ZDA strateška katastrofa. Enako se bo zgodilo v Izraelu, Hamasu zadostuje, da preživijo, pa bo to vojno zmagal. Izrael mora uničiti Hamas, drugače bo za Izrael ta vojna izgubljena.
Če pa ti živiš v svetu, kjer so ZDA zmagale v Afganistanu, me nič ne moti, jest se pa ne bi ravno hvalil s tem
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2...
The top US general conceded in a stark admission on Wednesday that the United States "lost" the 20-year war in Afghanistan.
"It is clear, it is obvious to all of us, that the war in Afghanistan did not end on the terms we wanted, with the Taliban in power in Kabul," General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Armed Services Committee.
"The war was a strategic failure," Milley told a committee hearing about the US troop pullout from Afghanistan and the chaotic evacuation from the capital Kabul.
Chalky ::
To da naj bi ZDA izgubile v Afganistanu so jasno cvetke. Poglejte si kakšno je življenje v Afganistanu danes. Američani so svoj cilj v Afganistanu dosegli v prvih nekaj mesecih vojne tam na začetku leta 2002. Problem je nastal pri vsiljevanju demokracije in pri tem da so Američani želeli biti policaji in Afganistan spremeniti v neko demokratično državo, tam so pa pogrnili podobno kot v Iraku ter Libiji. Iz vojaškega vidika je Afganistan padel v prvih nekaj mesecih, podobno kot Irak kjer je bilo tiste prave vojne konec v mesecu in pol.
Če bi ZDA bile res poražene potem bi bila danes situacija v svetu precej drugačna. Afganistan vojaško Američanov zagotovo ni premagal. Koliko vojaških ladij je uničil Afganistan? V bistvu me zanima koliko bojnih letal so sklatili Talibanci če naj bi premagali Američane? Mislim da niti enega. Američani imajo še vedno vse svoje ladje in vojaška letala ki lahko jutri napadejo Afganistan. Vojaško Afganistan zagotovo ni premagal Američanov.
Premagal jih je pri vsiljevanju demokracije. Zato bi morale ZDA tam odstraniti 80% vseh Afganistancev kar je samo dokaz več kako butasta je ameriška zunanja politika na Bližnjem Vzhodu.
Edit: Tudi to da naj bi bili Houtiji neki veliki borci so cvetke. Samo zato ker je njim malo mar koliko njihovih borcev umre to še ne pomeni da so neki hudi borci. To ti bolj pove da jim je tam malo mar za življenje saj verjamejo da bodo umrli mučeniki, kar se mi zdi izjemno butasto. Houtiji, Talibanci, Hezbollah, Hamas itd morajo vedno prikazovati da so "močni", "odločni" in "neuničljivi". Tako perejo možgane da se jim potem pridružijo tudi ostali. V resnici so tudi oni zgolj ljudje in ko gredo ponoči spat se dobro zavedajo da proti ZDA nimajo pogojev.
Če bi ZDA res udarile po Houtijih bi hitro videli da niso neki hudi borci.
Če bi ZDA bile res poražene potem bi bila danes situacija v svetu precej drugačna. Afganistan vojaško Američanov zagotovo ni premagal. Koliko vojaških ladij je uničil Afganistan? V bistvu me zanima koliko bojnih letal so sklatili Talibanci če naj bi premagali Američane? Mislim da niti enega. Američani imajo še vedno vse svoje ladje in vojaška letala ki lahko jutri napadejo Afganistan. Vojaško Afganistan zagotovo ni premagal Američanov.
Premagal jih je pri vsiljevanju demokracije. Zato bi morale ZDA tam odstraniti 80% vseh Afganistancev kar je samo dokaz več kako butasta je ameriška zunanja politika na Bližnjem Vzhodu.
Edit: Tudi to da naj bi bili Houtiji neki veliki borci so cvetke. Samo zato ker je njim malo mar koliko njihovih borcev umre to še ne pomeni da so neki hudi borci. To ti bolj pove da jim je tam malo mar za življenje saj verjamejo da bodo umrli mučeniki, kar se mi zdi izjemno butasto. Houtiji, Talibanci, Hezbollah, Hamas itd morajo vedno prikazovati da so "močni", "odločni" in "neuničljivi". Tako perejo možgane da se jim potem pridružijo tudi ostali. V resnici so tudi oni zgolj ljudje in ko gredo ponoči spat se dobro zavedajo da proti ZDA nimajo pogojev.
Če bi ZDA res udarile po Houtijih bi hitro videli da niso neki hudi borci.
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Rambutan ::
Washington Post je opravil analizo napada na al-Shifa bolnišnico, pravijo da ni dokazov, da so tuneli sploh bili povezani z bolnišnico in da v tunelih ni bilo znakov, da bi jih uporabljal Hamas. Skratka, spet so IDF dobili na laži, uničil je bolnišnico in pobil paciente na podlagi laži. Uničevanje bolnišnic je vojni zločin.
Dejstvo, da je WP objavil ta članek, pa pomeni, da ZDA počasi izgubljajo potrpljenje z Izraelom in preko medijev vršijo pritisk. ZDA z podporo Izraelu namreč hitro izgubljajo mednarodno kredibilnost.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20...
The claims were remarkably specific — that five hospital buildings were directly involved in Hamas activities; that the buildings sat atop underground tunnels that were used by militants to direct rocket attacks and command fighters; and that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards. The assertions were backed by “concrete evidence,” Israel Defense Forces spokesman Daniel Hagari said as he laid out the case in an Oct. 27 briefing.
But the evidence presented by the Israeli government falls short of showing that Hamas had been using the hospital as a command and control center, according to a Washington Post analysis of open-source visuals, satellite imagery and all of the publicly released IDF materials. That raises critical questions, legal and humanitarian experts say, about whether the civilian harm caused by Israel’s military operations against the hospital — encircling, besieging and ultimately raiding the facility and the tunnel beneath it — were proportionate to the assessed threat.
The Post’s analysis shows:
The rooms connected to the tunnel network discovered by IDF troops showed no immediate evidence of military use by Hamas.
None of the five hospital buildings identified by Hagari appeared to be connected to the tunnel network.
There is no evidence that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards.
The targeting by a U.S. ally of a compound housing hundreds of sick and dying patients and thousands of displaced people has no precedent in recent decades. The march on al-Shifa caused the hospital’s operations to collapse. As Israeli troops closed in and fighting intensified, fuel ran out, supplies could not enter, and ambulances were unable to collect casualties from the streets.
Before troops entered the complex, doctors dug a mass grave for as many as 180 people, the United Nations said, citing hospital staff. The morgue had long since ceased to function. Several days later, when WHO medics arrived to evacuate those still inside, they said the place of healing had become a “death zone.” At least 40 patients — including four premature babies — died in the days leading up to the raid and its aftermath, the United Nations said.
In the weeks since, other hospitals in Gaza have come under attack in ways that mirror what happened at al-Shifa — making the assault not just a watershed moment in the conflict, but a vital case study in Israel’s adherence to the laws of war.
Medical facilities are afforded special protection — even in times of war — losing their status only “while they are being used outside their medical function to commit acts harmful to the enemy,” said Adil Haque, a law professor at Rutgers University.
Dejstvo, da je WP objavil ta članek, pa pomeni, da ZDA počasi izgubljajo potrpljenje z Izraelom in preko medijev vršijo pritisk. ZDA z podporo Izraelu namreč hitro izgubljajo mednarodno kredibilnost.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20...
The claims were remarkably specific — that five hospital buildings were directly involved in Hamas activities; that the buildings sat atop underground tunnels that were used by militants to direct rocket attacks and command fighters; and that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards. The assertions were backed by “concrete evidence,” Israel Defense Forces spokesman Daniel Hagari said as he laid out the case in an Oct. 27 briefing.
But the evidence presented by the Israeli government falls short of showing that Hamas had been using the hospital as a command and control center, according to a Washington Post analysis of open-source visuals, satellite imagery and all of the publicly released IDF materials. That raises critical questions, legal and humanitarian experts say, about whether the civilian harm caused by Israel’s military operations against the hospital — encircling, besieging and ultimately raiding the facility and the tunnel beneath it — were proportionate to the assessed threat.
The Post’s analysis shows:
The rooms connected to the tunnel network discovered by IDF troops showed no immediate evidence of military use by Hamas.
None of the five hospital buildings identified by Hagari appeared to be connected to the tunnel network.
There is no evidence that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards.
The targeting by a U.S. ally of a compound housing hundreds of sick and dying patients and thousands of displaced people has no precedent in recent decades. The march on al-Shifa caused the hospital’s operations to collapse. As Israeli troops closed in and fighting intensified, fuel ran out, supplies could not enter, and ambulances were unable to collect casualties from the streets.
Before troops entered the complex, doctors dug a mass grave for as many as 180 people, the United Nations said, citing hospital staff. The morgue had long since ceased to function. Several days later, when WHO medics arrived to evacuate those still inside, they said the place of healing had become a “death zone.” At least 40 patients — including four premature babies — died in the days leading up to the raid and its aftermath, the United Nations said.
In the weeks since, other hospitals in Gaza have come under attack in ways that mirror what happened at al-Shifa — making the assault not just a watershed moment in the conflict, but a vital case study in Israel’s adherence to the laws of war.
Medical facilities are afforded special protection — even in times of war — losing their status only “while they are being used outside their medical function to commit acts harmful to the enemy,” said Adil Haque, a law professor at Rutgers University.
Lesoto ::
Rambutan ::
Dejstvo, da je WP objavil ta članek, pa pomeni,
To ziher ne pomeni tega.
No, kaj pa to pomeni po tvoje? ZDA je pod mednarodnim pritiskom, demokrati imajo volitve naslednje leto, ne morejo si privoščiti podpirati masakriranja Palestincev več dolgo.
https://www.ft.com/content/edebf6ef-155...
But then Biden’s tone changed. He went on to call for the Israeli government led by Benjamin Netanyahu to shift course, remarks he had previously been loath to deliver publicly.
“He’s a good friend, but I think he has to change,” Biden said of Netanyahu, with thinly disguised frustration. The Israeli government was the “most conservative in Israel’s history” and did not want “a two-state solution” or to have “anything to do with the Palestinians”.
Finally, Biden warned Israel that it was starting to lose the support of the world because of its “indiscriminate” bombing of civilians in Gaza. According to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry, more than 20,000 Palestinians have been killed since Israel launched its military operation in response to Hamas’s surprise attack, which killed 1,200.
Biden’s reproach — notably delivered outside of an official White House event — did not by any means signal a fundamental rupture with Israel was looming. But it did point to the mounting frustration in Washington with Israel’s conduct as its offensive rages on and the death toll of Palestinian civilians keeps mounting. The growing disquiet suggests trouble for Biden, too, on both domestic and international fronts.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202...
According to an Israeli source briefed on the details of the conversation, Austin made it clear that the current phase of the war, in which large IDF forces operate deep inside Gaza, causing extensive damage to civilian infrastructure, will have to stop in early 2024. "Austin didn't set an exact date, but the message was very clear," the source told Haaretz.
It is not only the Biden administration that has conveyed such messages to Israel in recent days. The governments of Britain and Germany, two of the most pro-Israel countries in the West, called earlier this week for a "stable cease-fire." France had earlier also called for a cease-fire, drawing criticism from Israel, however Jerusalem refrained from issuing an official response to the joint call by the British and Germans. The Biden administration remains almost alone in its declared opposition to a cease-fire, as reflected in the UN Security Council vote a week and a half ago.
Lesoto ::
No, kaj pa to pomeni po tvoje? ZDA je pod mednarodnim pritiskom, demokrati imajo volitve naslednje leto, ne morejo si privoščiti podpirati masakriranja Palestincev več dolgo.
Koga pa bodo ti volilci potem volili? A Trumpa, ki je priznal Jeruzalem za glavno mesto Izraela?
Te vojne bo konec tja do marca max.
gibabla ::
Toliko ladij, ki so jih Američani in Britanci poslali za ščitenje trgovskih poti, in vojske ki jo imajo zaradi podpiranja Izraelskega genocida, bi Hutije zradirali v 5 minutah.
Verjetno vejo da podaljševanje agonije, predvsem koristi Američanom in Britancem, da slabijo Evropsko ekonomijo,. Evropska ekonomija pa ne more pocen dobiti robe iz Azije, kot z ladjami.
Po drugi strani....
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/25860
Verjetno vejo da podaljševanje agonije, predvsem koristi Američanom in Britancem, da slabijo Evropsko ekonomijo,. Evropska ekonomija pa ne more pocen dobiti robe iz Azije, kot z ladjami.
Po drugi strani....
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/25860
Bellator ::
Praviš da bodo Palestinci zganjali terorizem do zadnjega Palestinca?
Zgodovina sprememb…
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NuMaN ::
Nisem mislil na Američane, pač pa na Izraelce, ko sem jih označil za izbrano ljudstvo.
Oziroma so se kar sami.
Američani se niso, so bolj pragmatični in ne toliko ideološki.
Lahko pa da se motim ...
Oziroma so se kar sami.
Američani se niso, so bolj pragmatični in ne toliko ideološki.
Lahko pa da se motim ...
Zgodovina sprememb…
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gibabla ::
Chalky ::
BREAKING: HAMAS TARGETS CIVILIANS
Hamas allegedly fire live shots at Gazan civilians who apparently ransacked aid trucks carrying essential supplies through the Rafah crossing.
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/...
Hamas naj bi streljal na Palestince, razlog naj bi bila humanitarna pomoč.
Hamas allegedly fire live shots at Gazan civilians who apparently ransacked aid trucks carrying essential supplies through the Rafah crossing.
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/...
Hamas naj bi streljal na Palestince, razlog naj bi bila humanitarna pomoč.
Chalky ::
Utk ::
Če nekateri pri nas tega ne vidijo, celo kakšna zunanja ministrica med njimi, kako bojo to videli Palestinci, ki imajo še veliko bolj omejene informacije?
mtosev ::
Težko bodo to ugotovili, ker imajo obleganje s strani Izraela. Verjetno se je še kdo pridružil uporu.
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kunigunda ::
Tega ne smeš tu lepit, boš izbrisan...
Mene samo zanima če bodo tudi te smrtne žrtve všteli v tistih 20k+ mrtvih ali so pobiti civilisti s strani Hamasa ne štejejo.
Kdaj bodo Palestinci ugotovili da je Hamas njihov največji sovražnik?
To vedo ze desetletja. In kaj naj nardijo ?