Izrael : Palestina že n-tič

Naključja, naključja...

Sposojeno (o lej, spet Sheldon Adelson, čeprav je že pokojni):

I don't think people have processed just how crazy this report published in Israel's Hayom newspaper (owned by the family of Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul) is:
https://israelhayom.com/2023/11/29/seni...

It describes how "senior US lawmakers review [a] plan linking Gaza refugee resettlement to US aid to Arab countries. The proposal, which reportedly has support from senior officials in both parties, calls on the US to condition foreign aid to Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, and Turkey on those countries accepting a certain number of refugees".

In other words this is the US actively planning the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians (with "support from senior officials in both parties"), by looking into tying aid to Arab countries to them receiving the refugees. Which obviously completely contradicts what the Biden administration is publicly saying on the matter, and violates just about every principle of international law.

As described in the report, "the plan even goes so far as to envision how many Gazan residents each of these countries will receive: one million in Egypt, half a million for Turkey, 250,000 for Iraq, and another 250,000 for Yemen".

Which totals to... the entirety of the Gazan population.

sbawe64 je 6. dec 2023 ob 10:23 izjavil:

fritz
In Zahodni Breg, mislijo ilegalni naseljenci vse postrelili ?
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t543795/p809...

Izraelci že dolgo izvajajo etnično čiščenje vsepovsod po okupirani Palestini, še posebej v vzhodnem Jeruzalemu. Če jim Gaza uspe, bodo počistili tudi vse ostalo, brez dvoma. Kolonisti imajo vso podporo od vlade, parlamenta, vojske, policije itn., tako kot je to potekalo v Naci Nemčiji.

https://twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/sta...

Dober komentar pod tvitom:

The use of the term 'genocide' in the context of Israel's actions is an obvious attempt to draw parallels with the Holocaust. However, it's important to clarify that Israel is not intentionally targeting civilians. By definition, harming civilians does not equate to targeting them. The people of Gaza are Arabs or Palestinians, not a unique specific group, so the term 'genocide' is not applicable in this context.

The main issue at hand is that: Israel is acting
following what the ICC, the Geneva Convention, and other international organizations recognize as a defense against war crimes. Acts such as rape, kidnapping of children, and non-combatants are undeniably war crimes. The past does not justify current actions; what matters is the response to these actions, which is recognized by world leaders.

Israel bears the responsibility to act cautiously and strives to minimize civilian casualties, a task made complex by Hamas' tactics of using civilians as human shields. It's well documented that a portion of the Gaza population supports Hamas. Moreover, we are not dealing with a monolithic entity; there are various organizations with terrorist inclinations in the region, all of which pose a threat.

Rather than using bombastic words and automatically placing blame on Israel, it might be time to focus on the actions of Hamas. Encouraging the people of Gaza to rise up and challenge their leadership could be a step towards change

Moe_Lester je 6. dec 2023 ob 11:00 izjavil:

Dober komentar pod tvitom:

The use of the term 'genocide' in the context of Israel's actions is an obvious attempt to draw parallels with the Holocaust. However, it's important to clarify that Israel is not intentionally targeting civilians. By definition, harming civilians does not equate to targeting them. The people of Gaza are Arabs or Palestinians, not a unique specific group, so the term 'genocide' is not applicable in this context.

The main issue at hand is that: Israel is acting
following what the ICC, the Geneva Convention, and other international organizations recognize as a defense against war crimes. Acts such as rape, kidnapping of children, and non-combatants are undeniably war crimes. The past does not justify current actions; what matters is the response to these actions, which is recognized by world leaders.

Israel bears the responsibility to act cautiously and strives to minimize civilian casualties, a task made complex by Hamas' tactics of using civilians as human shields. It's well documented that a portion of the Gaza population supports Hamas. Moreover, we are not dealing with a monolithic entity; there are various organizations with terrorist inclinations in the region, all of which pose a threat.

Rather than using bombastic words and automatically placing blame on Israel, it might be time to focus on the actions of Hamas. Encouraging the people of Gaza to rise up and challenge their leadership could be a step towards change

Prebral sem do besede "holocaust" in nič več! Spet se nekdo hoče šlepati na to. Isti način določeni ljudje potegnejo znova in znova iz naftalina holokavst, da bi na tak opravičevali svoja sedanja dejanja.

Prebral sem do besede "holocaust" in nič več! Spet se nekdo hoče šlepati na to. Isti način določeni ljudje potegnejo znova in znova iz naftalina holokavst, da bi na tak opravičevali svoja sedanja dejanja.

Ja, je očitno da bolj malo bereš, drugače ne bi pisal in širil takšnih nesmislov.

Btw, si že našel vir za tisto trdited, da je IDF pobil 300 svojih civilistov?

Ja, sori, razni @partyzangirl bot accounti res niso kredibilni.

Moe_Lester je 6. dec 2023 ob 12:22 izjavil:

Ja, sori, razni @partyzangirl bot accounti res niso kredibilni.

A wikipedija je kredibilna ?

sbawe64 je 6. dec 2023 ob 16:24 izjavil:

kunigunda
Glej hrvaško in srbsko verzijo, npr. za Oluja.

sej zato sm dal vprasanje (sploh glede izraela)

Da sem malo vidi za koga so pro Hamsovci:

Stari bajsek je sedaj verjetno že nekje čez Rafo v Egiptu in pustil ženo in otroke.
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status...

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status...

Kayzon je 6. dec 2023 ob 18:04 izjavil:

v ameriki pa sprejeli zakon da si anti-semit ce obsojas to kar pocne israel

Kdaj točno so ga sprejeli? Kdaj ga je Biden podpisal?

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/01/gaza-c...

Behind the scenes: The Israeli officials said Israel made it clear to the mediators that it knows Hamas still has several women in its custody and that it would not discuss future deals before all the women were released.

Mossad chief David Barnea, the lead negotiator on the Israeli side, sent a message to Hamas through the mediators on Thursday night that stressed Israel was "not playing games" and that if the women were not released, the fighting would resume, a senior Israeli official said.

Not long after that Hamas launched a rocket from Gaza for the first time since the pause started. An hour later the ceasefire completely broke down.

The U.S. has also publicly blamed Hamas for the collapse of the ceasefire.

Pa saj Izrael se je strinjal s premirjem. Pristali so na dogovor, ki je bil za Palestince odličen. Ampak Hamas ne bi bil Hamas, če bi se držal dogovora ali mogoče celo prekinil z raketiranjem.

Saj bo cedalje vec "normalnih" random ljudi (ne samo muslimanov) zacelo podpirati ali pa vsaj razumeti Hamas, s tem ko bodo postali zavedni, in dojemljivi, kaksen terorizem pocne Izrael nad Palestinci za desetletja.

Sicer pa je najvecji podpornik Hamasa ravno Izrael.

Kalibri je 6. dec 2023 ob 19:40 izjavil:

"Normalnih" aka "Idiocracy" oziroma zato, ker je tako pač moderno. Razume itak nihče od njih ne več nič.

Aham,vazno da ti razumes ane

bajsibajsi je 6. dec 2023 ob 19:34 izjavil:

Saj bo cedalje vec "normalnih" random ljudi (ne samo muslimanov) zacelo podpirati ali pa vsaj razumeti Hamas, s tem ko bodo postali zavedni, in dojemljivi, kaksen terorizem pocne Izrael nad Palestinci za desetletja.

Sicer pa je najvecji podpornik Hamasa ravno Izrael.

Evo, smo že bližje resnici.

Na začetku teme je bilo še par tistih obveznih "Ne podpiram terorizma, ampak...".

Zdaj pa počasi že kažete svoje prave obraze.

Lepo. Korak v pravo stran. Pravilno je, da se zahodne demokracije postavijo zase. Osebe, ki podpirajo nasilne verske diktature ne spadajo v zahodno družbo.

Moe_Lester je 6. dec 2023 ob 19:46 izjavil:

bajsibajsi je 6. dec 2023 ob 19:34 izjavil:

Saj bo cedalje vec "normalnih" random ljudi (ne samo muslimanov) zacelo podpirati ali pa vsaj razumeti Hamas, s tem ko bodo postali zavedni, in dojemljivi, kaksen terorizem pocne Izrael nad Palestinci za desetletja.

Sicer pa je najvecji podpornik Hamasa ravno Izrael.

Evo, smo že bližje resnici.

Na začetku teme je bilo še par tistih obveznih "Ne podpiram terorizma, ampak...".

Zdaj pa počasi že kažete svoje prave obraze.

Vi se pa se vedno skrivate za maskami, medtem ko ubijate nedolzne ljudi.

Vidis, tudi jaz lahko zavajam ter ti podtikam besede.

PacificBlue je 6. dec 2023 ob 19:49 izjavil:

Tud Nemci niso več to kar so bili:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/evropa/nemci...

Meni se tole zdi čisto primeren ukrep. Itak pa Nazi salutes in zanikanje holokavsta v DE ni dovoljen.

Ja, to bo to. 27. marca 2023 ob 10:01 sem naredil nov račun, ker sem vedel, da bo Hamas pol leta kasneje napadel Izrael :)

In ne, Izrael ni največji podpornik Hamasa. Ne vem kaj točno naj komentiram tako očitno nebulozo.

Izrael naj bi obkolil hišo vodje Hamasa v Gazi leader Yahya

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: IDF forces have encircled [Hamas leader Yahya] Sinwar's house. So his house is not his fortress, and he can escape, but it's only a matter of time before we get him.
https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/...

Očitno ga bodo kmalu likvidirali.

mtosev je 6. dec 2023 ob 20:47 izjavil:

PacificBlue je 6. dec 2023 ob 19:49 izjavil:

Tud Nemci niso več to kar so bili:

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/evropa/nemci...

Meni se tole zdi čisto primeren ukrep. Itak pa Nazi salutes in zanikanje holokavsta v DE ni dovoljen.

Si pa pomislil, da je to verjetno eden najlazjih pogojev?
;)
Mislim, da so druge stvari veliko bolj pomembne, kot pa v kaj ti verjames.
Vsak se lahk zlaže.
Pač neumen ukrep.

fur80 je 6. dec 2023 ob 21:37 izjavil:

Kje pa so sedaj Hamas, Iran,.. Kaj ni nekdo tukaj trdil, da so dali ultimat Izraelu in USA?

Sicer je pa že nekako postala tradicija, da vodje držav, teroristov po bližnjem vzhodu izbezlajo potem iz luknje. Husein, Bin Laden, Al Bakdadi, sedaj vodje Hamasa,..

bajsibajsi je 6. dec 2023 ob 21:22 izjavil:

Seveda je, imas na voljo neizpodbitne dokaze o tem na netu.
Natanjaheju je bil Hamas sirsega strateskega pomena za Izrael. Zdaj lahko cel svet jasno vidi cemu.

No, daj, zdaj se pa prijavi ze s pravim racunom. Vsaj toliko najdi poguma.

Mogoče kot policija ali varnostna služba v Gazi, ne pa kot metalci raket ni ubijalci civilistov po Izraelu!

Seveda, kar nadaljuj z zagovarjanjem nacizma.

Moe_Lester je 6. dec 2023 ob 21:52 izjavil:

Da ne boš ponavljal tvitov. Tukaj je original članek Mehdija Hasana na to temo: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/ham...

Tvitov ni več, je le še multimilijarderjev X. Mehdi Hasan, govoreča glava osrednjih medijev si je le enkrat upal stopiti izven dogmatičnih okvirjev osrednjih medijev in njih lastnikov in je takoj izgubil oddajo. To je bil edini pogovor Hasana, kjer je vsaj poskušal razščistiti stvari:



Še vedno pa je in ostaja le govoreča propagandna glava. Novinarski prostitut se prodaja naprej.

Moe_Lester je 6. dec 2023 ob 21:52 izjavil:

Pa še pogled (sicer prav tako pristranski) iz druge strani: https://www.jns.org/the-myth-that-israe...

Prav tako iz iste spletne strani:

Odvisnost Izraela od ZDA je v začetku tega tedna v intervjuju odkrito izjavil upokojeni generalmajor IDF Yitzhak Brick:
"Vse naše rakete, strelivo, natančno vodene bombe, vsa letala in bombe, vse je iz ZDA in v trenutku, ko zaprejo pipo, se ne moreš več bojevati. Nimate sposobnosti. Vsi razumejo, da te vojne ne moremo dobiti brez ZDA. Pika."

In tega ljudje ne razumejo, nočejo razumeti. Izrael je vojno izgubil, le da tega še ne ve. Posledice sledijo ...

Brez poveljevanja, panika, andrealin, prestrašenost, slaba samopodoba

Video, ki ga je objavila izraelska vojska, prikazuje neselektivno streljanje helikopterjev 07.10. 2023:



Medtem osrednji mediji, za katere se je palestinski problem pojavil 07.10. 2023; Vse je po mednarodnem pravu, povedali odvetniki. Pa kaj če so padali civilisti, koga se to sploh tiče?

Izrael končuje svoj obstoj v sedanji obliki. Spremembe bodo ogromne