debata o Bitcoinu

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jijetelu je 29. jan 2018 ob 10:01 izjavil:

a kdo ve razlog za današji padec ?

pump n dump

Na CNBC so bli učeri bullish, zato je Satoshi začel dumpat 100 BTC na minuto.

MrStein je 30. jan 2018 ob 12:35 izjavil:

Saj 3 dni vztrajno pada... ;)

Bolj zanimivo je, da mu vztrajno pada tudi market share. PMSM se svež kapital vedno bolj usmerja v alt (shit)coine, ki ponujajo make (lose) money fast scenarije in je BTC še kvečjemu vmesni medij, ali pa v druge etablirane valute (npr. ETH), ki kažejo večjo fleksibilnost, uporabnost, tehnološki napredek oz. so cenovno dostopnejše (fees itd.)

bolj zanmivo je vprašanje a bo res padel tja do 1k$ ?

Ce bo padel na 1k potem bodo shitcoini nicvredni.
Ko ze vsi mislijo da je bitcoin mrtev je ponavadi dober cas za nakup. Ceprav nevem ce smo ze tam...
Trenutno noben shitcoin ni boljsi od bitcoina. Glavna razlika je da imajo vecje in pogostejse bloke. Ethereum je tudi se v povojih(je pa res da je eth cel ekosistem), IOTA ima kriticne napake in ni varna, bcash junk, skratka noben projekt se ni na nivoju, edina razlika je da eth in btc imata tezave z scallabilityem, drugi projekti pa nimajo ker jih nihce ne uporablja.

Zgleda da mora ekosistem se dozoreti za velike vlagatelje...


Long term bull...

ohlajanje po preveliki novoletni evforiji, bitconnect prevara, koreja itd. leta 2013 je bil vreden čez 1000$ in po padcu potreboval 4 leta, da je znova dosegel to vrednost. tako da jaz ne pričakujem hitrega okrevanja. ampak, če bo padel na 7k, 6k ga bom pa še dokupil :)

janig je 30. jan 2018 ob 18:43 izjavil:

sarma832 je 30. jan 2018 ob 16:49 izjavil:

edina razlika je da eth in btc imata tezave z scallabilityem, drugi projekti pa nimajo ker jih nihce ne uporablja.

This. Ko zadeva pride v (pravo) produkcijo, se sele najdejo problemi.

gričar je 30. jan 2018 ob 18:08 izjavil:

tako da jaz ne pričakujem hitrega okrevanja

Tapravi crash verjetno sele prihaja :)

Misliš? Potem ni dobro zdaj iti all-in?

Čeprav ni ravno kredibilnih virov, morda FUD, morda ne.

https://siol.net/digisvet/novice/tether...

Kaj bo potem, vse se sesulo v prah, al bomo preziveli? Sam nimam nobenga "konja", mam druge, vendar brez BTC oz. s ceno 100x manj bo tut drugo x cca. faktor manj... Fakr :)

https://tonyarcieri.com/the-tether-conu...

.......Over the course of the past few days, when Bitcoin appeared as if it was almost about to crash but at the last minute recovered, we saw an awful lot of buys that look like this, many of which are suspiciously timed shortly after those $100 million Tether issuances:



- "No fraudulent activity going on here." via @Bitfinexed

In the middle of a massive selloff, suddenly out of nowhere we see buys for $500 above market value. And this isn't just an isolated incident, but part of an ongoing pattern where a downward trend in Bitcoin's price mysteriously reverses shortly after new Tether issuances.

I can't prove this sort of buying pattern is directly related to Tether issuances. I have no idea who is making these buys. But I can say this absolutely reeks of price manipulation. It feels akin to order spoofing, but where traditional market spoofers might place a bunch of buy orders only to cancel them at the last minute, these orders are going through and ostensibly being settled somehow, with timing highly correlated to Tether issuances......

morda pa se celo zna zgoditi da bo sprintani theter čez kakšen mesec pa imel kritje v realnem denarju; ker so ga pač printali pri btc že od 500 naprej in ga tudi na veliko kupovali, in naredili veliko profita ker so 'na kredo' kupovali poceni btc in ga sedaj drago prodajajo (ker ga morajo zaradi pritiska javnosti) in čez kakšen mesec bodo imeli fiata krepko več kot manjka thetra...

skratka nateg oz. kredit, ki se bo še kje zbalansiral...

100 miljard je kar hudo nizko in veliko folka bo jokali, in veliko časa bomo rabili do novih ATH, ampak to se mi zdi pri padcu tethra kar realna varianta in dejansko zdrava...

Pri 100mlrd capa bo:
Btc 2 jurja
Ether 150usd
Shitconi pa stotino današnje vrednosti

Boš končno doživel felacijo samega sebe :]

Machete je 31. jan 2018 ob 09:02 izjavil:

Boš končno doživel felacijo samega sebe :]

Kaj naj bi to pomenilo?

... in njegovi otroci, vnuki ... na veke vekov ....

RISING INTEREST RATES AND THE URGENT NEED TO FIX ENTITLEMENTS
by Kevin Ryan

The stock market experienced a steep sell off for the second straight day, with the Dow down 362 points at the close. There are several reasons for the pullback: investors rebalancing their portfolios at month-end; Amazon entering the health-care industry which could threaten margins; and routine profit taking following the market's historic upward rise (there has not been a 3% correction since the days before the 2016 election).

But a significant factor in the sell off is rising interest rates. Long-term rates have been falling since hitting a peak in the early 1980s, an incredible 35-year run. But it's looking increasingly like that trend has ended, and we may have reached an inflection point.

The rate on 10-Year Treasuries has doubled since hitting an historic low in July, 2016. And that rise has accelerated as inflation expectations grow, central banks end their easing policies, and the Fed sells off its huge portfolio of treasuries and mortgages acquired through the monetary easing programs during the Obama administration.

Higher rates do have many good effects:

o People save more when rates are higher.
o Seniors with retirement savings in bonds and CDs will see their returns increase.
o Insurance companies and banks will generate more income from their bond portfolios.
o Too-low rates often create bubbles in the economy.

But there are also big downsides:

o Higher mortgage rates could hurt housing and cutting into family budgets.
o Business borrowing costs will increase.
o Credit card and other household debt will be more expensive.
o Student loans will become less affordable.

But the biggest potential impact could be on our federal budget. Most of America's federal debt has been accumulated since 1981, in this time of falling interest rates. As debt matures the U.S. has been able to roll it over for lower and lower rates. If rates have bottomed out, interest expense on our huge debt is quickly going to balloon, forcing us to either cut the budget in other areas, or rack up even more debt. Debt service could crowd out discretionary spending items. Indeed interest on the national debt is projected to exceed defense spending in just a few years. And even now it's hard to see where President Trump expects to find the trillion dollars for his infrastructure plans.

All of this adds urgency to address the real driver of our debt: ballooning entitlement spending. Programs like Social Security and Medicare are going bankrupt and projecting accelerating deficits for as far as the eye can see. Unfortunately, the political will does not exist to restructure or make cuts to these entitlements that voters have come to depend on, another reason the government should never be put in charge of such important sectors of the economy.

But if rates continue to increase, and interest payments on the debt grow, we may no longer be able to keep kicking the broken entitlement can down the road.

Watch this graph of the key 10-Year Treasury yield closely in the coming weeks: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DGS10. It's already risen past the previous top of 2.6%. If it breaks through the next major hurdle at 3%, it may be an indicator that we have indeed broken out of the 35-year trend of falling interest rates, and America's debt will start strangling the economy.

SOURCE: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/this-st...
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=hX...
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/02/...

Preden se greste pump&dump scenarije mejte v glavi to, da lahko letos se en baloncek poci. Tak, ki nima nobene veze s kriptovalutami, jih bo pa ce se to zgodi, odnesel s seboj.
Naj majo to v glavi tudi tisti, ki pljuvajo po kriptovalutah in opevajo fiat borze. Te so trenutno vecji problem in bodo definitivno krivec, ce/ko pride do tega.
Evropa in nase igrice s slabimi krediti, slabimi bankami in prodajanjem paketov iz teh naslovov ni prav nic na boljsem. Sranje, ki samo caka, da eksplodira v obliki ene lepe krizne driske.

https://medium.com/@bitfinexed/tether-e...

dronyx je 31. jan 2018 ob 09:00 izjavil:

Ko je bitcoin eksponentno rastel se ni nihče kaj dosti spraševal o prevarah, sedaj ko pa vse skupaj stagnira bo pa čedalje več podobnih teorij o nategih. Prava veselica pa bo pri šitkojnih, ker tam je pa še neodkritih nateg in raznih "projektov", ki nimajo praktično nobene možnosti za uspeh kolikor hočeš.

čisto enako je bilo 2014, pa je še vedno v 2017 šlo vse, tudi čisto pozabljeni in neumni kojni, v ATH...

.....Cryptocurrencies: 1506.....

LOOOOOL, lepa parabola...

4knative je 31. jan 2018 ob 18:28 izjavil:

Do konc 2018 bo vsaj 2000 kriptovalut, glede na vse te ICOte. Dominanca BTC pa verjetno pod 10%.

Ali pa dominanca btcja 60% in 1900 0 evrskih shitcoinov

Da ne bo 2018 leto HODLanja

Mrtve shitcoine bi morali odlistallti iz cmc