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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"
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Windlass ::
Obstaja pa tudi možnost, da Trumpovi s tem kvazi "peace dealom" v bistvu manipulirajo Ruse in testirajo, kaj dejansko Putlerjevi hočejo za končanje vojne. Da se izkristalizirajo njihove zahteve.
Mah ne vem. To smo res že videli 9x zdaj. Rusi bodo vzeli vse kar mislijo, da lahko dobijo, glavna stvar je pa da Ukrajina=failed state v nekakšnem limbu.
Dokler bo Putin mislil, da lahko še eno njivo dobi, se ne bo ustavil. Naši so naredili napako 2014 in potem še enkrat 2022, ker se niso takoj vmešali.
Telbanc ::
Naši so bli 2022 brez dronov, keri kekci. Nato je trom ko Rusija. Po vojni u Nagorno Karabahu, je blo jasno vsakemu otroku, ki je zadevo spremljal, da bo zaj era dronov. Ki so zmrcvarili armene, u nulo. Vsakemu, ne pa tud američanom in Nato buteljnom. Če bi mela Ukrajina 2022 drone, bi blo vojne že konec. Zadeva meji na burlesko, ko vemo da jo je skoz oboroževal Nato.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
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borut_p ::
Ha ha ravno zdaj ko cena nafte pada ko kamen. Trump the art of debil. Upam da eu gladko tole zavrne in zalaufa pomoč tako kot je treba sploh vzhodna evropa je škrta da bog pomagaj.
Kaj so se delnice orozarjev ustavile al kaj, da se tolk razburjas?
Obstaja pa tudi možnost, da Trumpovi s tem kvazi "peace dealom" v bistvu manipulirajo Ruse in testirajo, kaj dejansko Putlerjevi hočejo za končanje vojne. Da se izkristalizirajo njihove zahteve.
Bi si mislil da se sami ne vedo. Dokler se premikajo v levo, zakaj bi se pogajali o miru? Apetiti samo rastejo - se sploh ko prihaja zima.
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esel ::
Ha ha ravno zdaj ko cena nafte pada ko kamen. Trump the art of debil. Upam da eu gladko tole zavrne in zalaufa pomoč tako kot je treba sploh vzhodna evropa je škrta da bog pomagaj.
Kaj so se delnice orozarjev ustavile al kaj, da se tolk razburjas?
Obstaja pa tudi možnost, da Trumpovi s tem kvazi "peace dealom" v bistvu manipulirajo Ruse in testirajo, kaj dejansko Putlerjevi hočejo za končanje vojne. Da se izkristalizirajo njihove zahteve.
Bi si mislil da se sami ne vedo. Dokler se premikajo v levo, zakaj bi se pogajali o miru? Apetiti samo rastejo - se sploh ko prihaja zima.
Ni pomembno, če bodo doma še sto let lačni, hodili na poljske WC-je in se vozili po blatu. Glavno je, da se ta ista beda in ruševine širita še k sosedom. Pomikajo v levo
Saj pravim, drugega kot ruske penzije (180EUR) si ne zaslužiš
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Goran10 ::
Ha ha ravno zdaj ko cena nafte pada ko kamen. Trump the art of debil. Upam da eu gladko tole zavrne in zalaufa pomoč tako kot je treba sploh vzhodna evropa je škrta da bog pomagaj.
Kaj so se delnice orozarjev ustavile al kaj, da se tolk razburjas?
Obstaja pa tudi možnost, da Trumpovi s tem kvazi "peace dealom" v bistvu manipulirajo Ruse in testirajo, kaj dejansko Putlerjevi hočejo za končanje vojne. Da se izkristalizirajo njihove zahteve.
Bi si mislil da se sami ne vedo. Dokler se premikajo v levo, zakaj bi se pogajali o miru? Apetiti samo rastejo - se sploh ko prihaja zima.
Kok sti en debil stari
To je ta vrhunec Rusije oni se pomikajo v levo
pa tudi ko odvedeš to funkcijo premikanja v levo je zadeva blizu ničle ampak ja oni se pomikajo v levo. Zgodovina sprememb…
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Goran10 ::
Očitno bomo še en debilni krog zaplesal s tem Trumpom. Pazi te zahteve. Rusi hočejo poturit svojo cerkev notri. Rusi hočejo ineti vpliv v Ua ampak ne morejo do Kijeva zato jim bo Trump to uredil ali kaj hočejo s temi nerealnimi zahtevami doseči. Po prepričevanju vseh polircev ruskih škornjev so Rusi za mir. A ni mir prioriteta? Ali kako? Ali je vojna prioriteta? So Rusi pod vplivom orožarskega lobija?
This morning, The Telegraph wrote, citing sources:
?Russia controls the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, while the territory remains legally part of Ukraine. Moscow will pay for their lease;
?Ukraine must halve its army, give up long-range weapons, and not allow foreign troops on its territory;
?The Russian language and church will receive official status in the occupied territories;
?Ukraine will receive "security guarantees" from the US and Europe.
The plan also calls for lifting sanctions on Russia and halting investigations into Russian war crimes, Bloomberg reports.
This morning, The Telegraph wrote, citing sources:
?Russia controls the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, while the territory remains legally part of Ukraine. Moscow will pay for their lease;
?Ukraine must halve its army, give up long-range weapons, and not allow foreign troops on its territory;
?The Russian language and church will receive official status in the occupied territories;
?Ukraine will receive "security guarantees" from the US and Europe.
The plan also calls for lifting sanctions on Russia and halting investigations into Russian war crimes, Bloomberg reports.
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Windlass ::
Očitno bomo še en debilni krog zaplesal s tem Trumpom. Pazi te zahteve. Rusi hočejo poturit svojo cerkev notri. Rusi hočejo ineti vpliv v Ua ampak ne morejo do Kijeva zato jim bo Trump to uredil ali kaj hočejo s temi nerealnimi zahtevami doseči. Po prepričevanju vseh polircev ruskih škornjev so Rusi za mir. A ni mir prioriteta? Ali kako? Ali je vojna prioriteta? So Rusi pod vplivom orožarskega lobija?
This morning, The Telegraph wrote, citing sources:
?Russia controls the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, while the territory remains legally part of Ukraine. Moscow will pay for their lease;
?Ukraine must halve its army, give up long-range weapons, and not allow foreign troops on its territory;
?The Russian language and church will receive official status in the occupied territories;
?Ukraine will receive "security guarantees" from the US and Europe.
The plan also calls for lifting sanctions on Russia and halting investigations into Russian war crimes, Bloomberg reports.
Ruska ortodoksna cerkev v okupiranih regijah samo pomeni pravna podlaga za izpostave FSB v Ukrajini.
Me prav zanima kakšna varnostna zagotovila so si pa zdaj zamislili
Eh.. to bodo Ukrajinci sprejeli samo če jih začnejo ZDA izsiljevat spet z obveščevalnimi podatki. Trump je glih taprav, da bi začel podatke v bistvu dajat Rusom, da bi kaznoval Ukrajino. Sm 95%, da so Kursk izgubili zaradi Trumpa na ta način.
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Noah0024 ::
Zelensky je že javil, da bodo z "US sodelovali pri potrebnih principih za končanje vojne".
Ukrajinci ne popuščajo. Sam tko naprej.
Ukrajinci ne popuščajo. Sam tko naprej.
shmandi ::
Važno, da se fronta pomika levo...
https://united24media.com/latest-news/r...
https://united24media.com/latest-news/r...
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Windlass ::
Še vedno obstaja vprašanje zakaj, pa ne mi z nobelovo nagrado.
Kaj so npr. sploh teoretične možnosti za tako obnašanje Trumpa?
a) kompromat
b) iracionalno občudovanje Putina (kot razloži Vlad Vexler)
c) merkantilizem, vojno mrhovinarstvo
d) navadna neumnost, nezmožnost ocene dolgoročnih posledic
e) osebno maščevanje Zelenskemu
f) malignost, psihopatija
g) nenormalna želja po Nobelovi nagradi (wtf?)
... kaj še?
Stane2 ::
https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/19915191...
The campaign against Putin's General Gerasimov is blowing up, now the top story in Russia, as the the head of the Russian military is embroiled in a scandal over not only his secret mistress and family but that he's been funneling hundreds of millions in state funds to them.
Daleč prepočasi se premika levo. A ti ni jasno??
The campaign against Putin's General Gerasimov is blowing up, now the top story in Russia, as the the head of the Russian military is embroiled in a scandal over not only his secret mistress and family but that he's been funneling hundreds of millions in state funds to them.
Važno, da se fronta pomika levo...
https://united24media.com/latest-news/r...
Daleč prepočasi se premika levo. A ti ni jasno??
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Arthur ::
Še vedno obstaja vprašanje zakaj, pa ne mi z nobelovo nagrado.
Kaj so npr. sploh teoretične možnosti za tako obnašanje Trumpa?
a) kompromat
b) iracionalno občudovanje Putina (kot razloži Vlad Vexler)
c) merkantilizem, vojno mrhovinarstvo
d) navadna neumnost, nezmožnost ocene dolgoročnih posledic
e) osebno maščevanje Zelenskemu
f) malignost, psihopatija
g) nenormalna želja po Nobelovi nagradi (wtf?)
... kaj še?
Morda tole; v resnici ne vem, ampak je pa tudi opcija:
h) Najhujše, kar se lahko zgodi, ni da Ukrajina zgubi, čemur bi sledil pogrom nad Ukrajinci --->
Američani morda razmišljajo, da so Rusi dovolj fooknjeni, da res vržejo atomsko, kar bi lahko vodilo v nukrearni holokavst.
In se zato delajo, da so na strani Rusov, hkrati pa pomagajo Ukrajincem, ampak počasi pa po kapljicah..
Goran10 ::
Še vedno obstaja vprašanje zakaj, pa ne mi z nobelovo nagrado.
Kaj so npr. sploh teoretične možnosti za tako obnašanje Trumpa?
a) kompromat
b) iracionalno občudovanje Putina (kot razloži Vlad Vexler)
c) merkantilizem, vojno mrhovinarstvo
d) navadna neumnost, nezmožnost ocene dolgoročnih posledic
e) osebno maščevanje Zelenskemu
f) malignost, psihopatija
g) nenormalna želja po Nobelovi nagradi (wtf?)
... kaj še?
Kombinacija vsega in nezmožnost prepoznave lastnih interesov je pa res Ua goegrafsko oddaljena od Zda posledično Zda nimajo takega interesa. Se pa na žalost vsak promil njihove pomoči pozna Eu z vzhodno Evropo na čelu pa tega ne zna ali noče nadoknatit. Ne pozabimo to je vojna vzhodne Evrope čeprav polirci ruskih škornjev nenehno trdijo da je to ameriška vojna ampak se bridko motijo. V enačbi z lahkoto namesto Ua vstavimo Vzhodno Evropo. Amerike ne moremo. To kar Rusi zahtevajo od Ua od Amerike niti slučajno ne morejo.
Telbanc ::
Važno, da se fronta pomika levo...
https://united24media.com/latest-news/r...
Zaj je zlato velik vredno, dvakrat, trikrat več ko takrat ko so ga kupovali.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
Telbanc ::
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/19915772...
" Kupyansk is completely liberated, -- Gerasimov reports to Putin on the frontline situation
?The troops of the combined group are advancing in almost all directions.
?More than 80% of the territory of Volchansk has been liberated, stated the Chief of the General Staff.
?Conditions for the surrender of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kupyansk and Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk) have been created, many of them cannot surrender due to the threat of shelling by their own forces.
?The "Vostok" group has liberated more than 230 sq km in the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia regions since November 1.
?13 settlements in the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia regions have come under the control of the Russian Armed Forces.
?The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue attempts to unblock the troops surrounded in Dimitrov, Krasnoarmeysk, and Seversk.
?According to the General Staff's plan, retaliatory massive strikes are being carried out on the facilities of Ukraine's military-industrial complex and the Ukrainian fuel and energy sector facilities supporting them."
Še mal o fronti.
" Kupyansk is completely liberated, -- Gerasimov reports to Putin on the frontline situation
?The troops of the combined group are advancing in almost all directions.
?More than 80% of the territory of Volchansk has been liberated, stated the Chief of the General Staff.
?Conditions for the surrender of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kupyansk and Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk) have been created, many of them cannot surrender due to the threat of shelling by their own forces.
?The "Vostok" group has liberated more than 230 sq km in the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia regions since November 1.
?13 settlements in the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia regions have come under the control of the Russian Armed Forces.
?The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue attempts to unblock the troops surrounded in Dimitrov, Krasnoarmeysk, and Seversk.
?According to the General Staff's plan, retaliatory massive strikes are being carried out on the facilities of Ukraine's military-industrial complex and the Ukrainian fuel and energy sector facilities supporting them."
Še mal o fronti.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
UkrFTW!! ::
Važno, da se fronta pomika levo...
https://united24media.com/latest-news/r...
Zaj je zlato velik vredno, dvakrat, trikrat več ko takrat ko so ga kupovali.
Pomeni, da je drugega zmanjkalo. Nice!
Telbanc ::
To je sam varka, da taki kot si ti, mislijo da je zaj konec in da bo Ukrajina sigurno zmagala, ker je rusom zmankalo lopat, čipov, drone pa jim stare mame zbijajo z kozarci polnimi vloženih kumaric. Lokalni lovci pa z šibrovkami sestreljujejo vsakodnevno S 57.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
gozdar1 ::
Važno, da se fronta pomika levo...
https://united24media.com/latest-news/r...
Zaj je zlato velik vredno, dvakrat, trikrat več ko takrat ko so ga kupovali.
Romuni bi imeli o teh nakupih kaj za povedati.
Romanian Treasure @ Wikipedia
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Goran10 ::
a ste videli nov slogan Stevanovića? Z nami vojne ne bo. Da si toliko debilno naiven
varka kot pohod na Kijev
To je sam varka, da taki kot si ti, mislijo da je zaj konec in da bo Ukrajina sigurno zmagala, ker je rusom zmankalo lopat, čipov, drone pa jim stare mame zbijajo z kozarci polnimi vloženih kumaric. Lokalni lovci pa z šibrovkami sestreljujejo vsakodnevno S 57.
varka kot pohod na Kijev
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Telbanc ::
Američani so maznali Iraku 75 ton, pa se tle noben ne sekira.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
UkrFTW!! ::
To je sam varka, da taki kot si ti, mislijo da je zaj konec in da bo Ukrajina sigurno zmagala, ker je rusom zmankalo lopat, čipov, drone pa jim stare mame zbijajo z kozarci polnimi vloženih kumaric. Lokalni lovci pa z šibrovkami sestreljujejo vsakodnevno S 57.
Varka, ampak za Ruse in priskledniki. Za ostale pa je stvar jasna. Tudi zlata ni neskončno in nič ni večno, niti fašistična ruzzija
Američani so maznali Iraku 75 ton, pa se tle noben ne sekira.
Te pa fajn peče veha
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Goran10 ::
isti ki so nas prepričevali da putin ne bo napadel in da je bil pohod na Kijev varka nas zdaj prepričujejo da nima smisla podpirat Ua ker je to izgubljena vojna in da se tudi nima smisla oboroževat ker Putin nikogar več ne bo napadel
Telbanc ::
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/19915795...
"'The meeting between Zelensky and Whitkoff fell through because Zelensky did not show readiness to seriously work on Trump's plan. But during the meeting with Driscoll, Zelensky was more conciliatory. They agreed on tight deadlines for signing the [peace agreement]' - Axios.
- SK"
Evo še mal pa bote podpisal kapitulacijo. Gotova maša. Čudaki, ki mislijo da zmagujejo, če lažejo po forumih.
"'The meeting between Zelensky and Whitkoff fell through because Zelensky did not show readiness to seriously work on Trump's plan. But during the meeting with Driscoll, Zelensky was more conciliatory. They agreed on tight deadlines for signing the [peace agreement]' - Axios.
- SK"
Evo še mal pa bote podpisal kapitulacijo. Gotova maša. Čudaki, ki mislijo da zmagujejo, če lažejo po forumih.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
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Goran10 ::
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/19915795...
"'The meeting between Zelensky and Whitkoff fell through because Zelensky did not show readiness to seriously work on Trump's plan. But during the meeting with Driscoll, Zelensky was more conciliatory. They agreed on tight deadlines for signing the [peace agreement]' - Axios.
- SK"
Evo še mal pa bote podpisal kapitulacijo. Gotova maša. Čudaki, ki mislijo da zmagujejo, če lažejo po forumih.
ti si bulan v glavo
endelin ::
Telbanc: a ti si ruski izmeček? Ker imam občutek da ti je rusko klanje v veselje. Gospod navijač ruskih nacijev
Telbanc ::
Ne stari, sam tle navijate da se klanje nadaljuje, ker Ukrajina zmaguje po vaše. Men se zdi to izprijeno.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
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endelin ::
Putler je rabil eno leto da je padlo eno mesto. On dobro ve da vojaško dveh večjih v Donbasu ne bo osvojil
to se vsi dobro zavedajo.
Klanje je odvisno od napadalca ;) ukrajinci se branijo. Napadalec bo šel lepo naprej
to se vsi dobro zavedajo.Ne stari, sam tle navijate da se klanje nadaljuje, ker Ukrajina zmaguje po vaše. Men se zdi to izprijeno.
Klanje je odvisno od napadalca ;) ukrajinci se branijo. Napadalec bo šel lepo naprej
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o0o0o0o0o0 ::
Telbanc ::
Ok, Zelenski zgleda bo podpisal premirje. Vi se pa lepo mejte.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
Goran10 ::
Stane2 ::
The points of the peace plan, which the Americans handed over to Zelensky today, - Bloomberg
The plan consists of 28 points, including:
- Lease part of Donbas to Russia;
- Lifting sanctions on Russia;
- Stopping war crimes investigations;
- Ukraine must halve its army;
- Ukraine refuses long-range weapons;
- Ban on stationing foreign troops on its territory;
- The Russian language and the church receive official status in the occupied territories that will be controlled by Russia;
- Ukraine receives security guarantees from the US and Europe.
A Rusija se umakne iz Hersona in Zaporožja?
The plan consists of 28 points, including:
- Lease part of Donbas to Russia;
- Lifting sanctions on Russia;
- Stopping war crimes investigations;
- Ukraine must halve its army;
- Ukraine refuses long-range weapons;
- Ban on stationing foreign troops on its territory;
- The Russian language and the church receive official status in the occupied territories that will be controlled by Russia;
- Ukraine receives security guarantees from the US and Europe.
A Rusija se umakne iz Hersona in Zaporožja?
Stane2 ::
o0o0o0o0o0 je izjavil:
Je že povedal, da si doma želijo cenejše nafte. očitno mama ne sfolga sinkotu podstrešja ogrevat
?? Nafta pri $60 oziroma če računamo še inflacijo je tam na okoli $40 po cenah izpred 10 let.
esel ::
o0o0o0o0o0 je izjavil:
Telbanc: a ti si ruski izmeček? Ker imam občutek da ti je rusko klanje v veselje. Gospod navijač ruskih nacijev
Je že povedal, da si doma želijo cenejše nafte. očitno mama ne sfolga sinkotu podstrešja ogrevat
Pacijent navija za zmago Rusije, pri tem pa pozablja, da bo njegova socialna pomoč, ki trenutno znaša 490 €, po tem padla na vsega 130 €.
endelin ::
cudno da je odprava nedelujočih sankcij tako visoko na prioritetni listi
Razen če niso tako nedelujoče kot ruski troli trdijo haha
Razen če niso tako nedelujoče kot ruski troli trdijo haha
Goran10 ::
pa seveda prenehanje raziskovanja vojnih zločinov, s temi zahtevami rusi kažejo samo šibkosti. trump je pa itak the art of debil.
Telbanc ::
https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/izn...
"Iznenađenje u Kijevu. Zelenski pristao pregovarati o ogromnim ustupcima Rusiji"
Evo za naše kekce.
"Iznenađenje u Kijevu. Zelenski pristao pregovarati o ogromnim ustupcima Rusiji"
Evo za naše kekce.
Hvala bogu, nisem cepljen za covid-19.
endelin ::
3 dni do kijeva.
Sedaj (4 leta kasneje) se pogovarjamo o tem da bi Putler vzel na leasing dve mesti ki jih ne more osvojiti
Great success
Hahahaha telbanc.
Sedaj (4 leta kasneje) se pogovarjamo o tem da bi Putler vzel na leasing dve mesti ki jih ne more osvojiti
Great success
Hahahaha telbanc.
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Stane2 ::
AvtoR ::
Tole sumim na umazano kupčijo. Američani podprejo ruse pri mrcvarjenju Ukrajine, rusi v zameno podprejo američane pri aneksiji Grenlandije?
Samo špekuliram, sigurno je zadaj kak deal.
The art of debil.
Samo špekuliram, sigurno je zadaj kak deal.
The art of debil.
Windlass ::
Brez varnostnih zagotovil, ki jim Ukrajinci dejansko verjamejo je vse to šopirjenje đabe.
Windlass ::
Mirovni načrt Trumpa - drugi poskus...
Ali je že tretji?
Prisežem da smo šli že ene 8x skozi isto stvar. No ta leasing ideja je nova, pa ne vem zdaj a to pomeni, da bi se Rusi umaknili iz Hersona in Zaporožja? Močno dvomim.
Telbanc ::
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/19916011...
"
?????? 28 points of the US peace plan published by Ukrainian MP Honcharenko
?1. Security and political status of Ukraine
?confirmation of Ukraine's sovereignty.
?Ukraine receives security guarantees from the US, but with conditions.
?Ukraine enshrines non-alignment and rejection of NATO in the Constitution, NATO confirms Ukraine's non-membership forever.
?the size of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is limited.
?Ukraine remains a non-nuclear state.
?2. Territorial issues
?Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk are recognized de facto as Russian.
?Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are "frozen" at the line of contact.
?part of the territories becomes a demilitarized buffer zone under de facto Russian control.
?Both sides commit not to change borders by force.
?3. Military agreements
?NATO does not deploy troops in Ukraine.
?NATO fighters are deployed in Poland.
?Security dialogue between the US-NATO-Russia, creation of a US-Russian working group.
?Russia legally fixes a policy of non-aggression towards Ukraine and Europe.
?4. Economic bloc and Ukraine's recovery
?The US and Europe launch a large investment package for Ukraine's recovery.
?$100 billion of frozen Russian assets - for Ukraine's recovery; the US receives 50% of the income.
?Europe adds another $100 billion.
?Other frozen Russian assets will go to joint US-Russian projects.
?Creation of the Ukraine Development Fund, investments in infrastructure, resources, technologies.
?5. Russia in the world system
?gradual lifting of sanctions.
?Russia's return to the G8.
?Long-term economic cooperation between the US and Russia.
?6. Humanitarian issues
?exchange "all for all", return of civilians and children.
?humanitarian programs, family reunifications.
?educational programs on tolerance.
?rejection of "Nazi ideology".
?7. Energy and special facilities
?Launch of the Zaporizhzhia NPP under IAEA supervision, electricity split 50/50 between Ukraine and Russia.
?The US helps restore Ukrainian gas infrastructure.
?8. Internal political processes in Ukraine
?elections 100 days after signing the agreement.
?full amnesty for all participants in the war.
?9. Implementation and control
?The agreement is legally binding.
?Control is exercised by the "Peace Council" led by Donald Trump.
?Violations - sanctions.
?After signing - immediate ceasefire and withdrawal to agreed positions.
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?????? 28 points of the US peace plan published by Ukrainian MP Honcharenko
?1. Security and political status of Ukraine
?confirmation of Ukraine's sovereignty.
?Ukraine receives security guarantees from the US, but with conditions.
?Ukraine enshrines non-alignment and rejection of NATO in the Constitution, NATO confirms Ukraine's non-membership forever.
?the size of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is limited.
?Ukraine remains a non-nuclear state.
?2. Territorial issues
?Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk are recognized de facto as Russian.
?Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are "frozen" at the line of contact.
?part of the territories becomes a demilitarized buffer zone under de facto Russian control.
?Both sides commit not to change borders by force.
?3. Military agreements
?NATO does not deploy troops in Ukraine.
?NATO fighters are deployed in Poland.
?Security dialogue between the US-NATO-Russia, creation of a US-Russian working group.
?Russia legally fixes a policy of non-aggression towards Ukraine and Europe.
?4. Economic bloc and Ukraine's recovery
?The US and Europe launch a large investment package for Ukraine's recovery.
?$100 billion of frozen Russian assets - for Ukraine's recovery; the US receives 50% of the income.
?Europe adds another $100 billion.
?Other frozen Russian assets will go to joint US-Russian projects.
?Creation of the Ukraine Development Fund, investments in infrastructure, resources, technologies.
?5. Russia in the world system
?gradual lifting of sanctions.
?Russia's return to the G8.
?Long-term economic cooperation between the US and Russia.
?6. Humanitarian issues
?exchange "all for all", return of civilians and children.
?humanitarian programs, family reunifications.
?educational programs on tolerance.
?rejection of "Nazi ideology".
?7. Energy and special facilities
?Launch of the Zaporizhzhia NPP under IAEA supervision, electricity split 50/50 between Ukraine and Russia.
?The US helps restore Ukrainian gas infrastructure.
?8. Internal political processes in Ukraine
?elections 100 days after signing the agreement.
?full amnesty for all participants in the war.
?9. Implementation and control
?The agreement is legally binding.
?Control is exercised by the "Peace Council" led by Donald Trump.
?Violations - sanctions.
?After signing - immediate ceasefire and withdrawal to agreed positions.
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Ta točka zmaga, lažniva EU politika bo izvedla medijski spin, da so dobili 100B zamrznjenega premoženja, da je polovica od US in UA bodo izpustili.
Izpustili bodo tudi, da bo EU dala svojih 100B
?$100 billion of frozen Russian assets - for Ukraine's recovery; the US receives 50% of the income.
?Europe adds another $100 billion
Izpustili bodo tudi, da bo EU dala svojih 100B
?$100 billion of frozen Russian assets - for Ukraine's recovery; the US receives 50% of the income.
?Europe adds another $100 billion