Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Glej Pithlit, zgoraj si za dokaz o RU sabotažah v EU dala PL predsednika.
Mislim, da sama veš, da politiki tudi lažejo, govorijo kot jim ustreza, tako da njegovo izjav jemlji s kančkom zdrave pameti.
Ker hočeš dokaze, ti dam dprimer, da politiki lažejo (mislim da si dovolj dolgo na svetu, da ti je pozna o):
Bill Clinton je zanikal, da bi imal kaj intimnega z Monico Levinsky, kasneje se je izkazalo za laž, po netu celo kroži psnetek njegve izjave.

fikus_ je danes ob 17:06:10 izjavil:

Glej Pithlit, zgoraj si za dokaz o RU sabotažah v EU dala PL predsednika.
Mislim, da sama veš, da politiki tudi lažejo, govorijo kot jim ustreza, tako da njegovo izjav jemlji s kančkom zdrave pameti.
Ker hočeš dokaze, ti dam dprimer, da politiki lažejo (mislim da si dovolj dolgo na svetu, da ti je pozna o):
Bill Clinton je zanikal, da bi imal kaj intimnega z Monico Levinsky, kasneje se je izkazalo za laž, po netu celo kroži psnetek njegve izjave.

Zakaj pa taksen banalen primer.
Boljsi je Putin z lazmi o nenapadanju sosede.

fikus_ je danes ob 17:06:10 izjavil:

Glej Pithlit, zgoraj si za dokaz o RU sabotažah v EU dala PL predsednika.

Ne, nisem. Zlo fajn bereš, ni kaj. Kaj ko bi se od klikal do virov ki jih najdeš na mojih linkih pa dejansko kaj prebereš namesto da v prazno nabijaš ko nek random subpar boomer. A bi šlo? Al se boš raje še naprej smešil?

Mislim, sej js vem kaj boš izbral. Ampak mi še vedno lahko dokažeš da se motim.

cleanac je danes ob 18:15:01 izjavil:

bm1973 je danes ob 17:55:41 izjavil:

cleanac je danes ob 17:07:54 izjavil:

Ker ni v vojni z EU, kakor tudi EU ni v vojni z Rusijo.

Saj tudi v vojni z Ukrajino ni.

Tako kot ZDA nikoli niso v vojni po WW2...

Kako ni? Prosim pojasni.

Pojasnilo: ZDA od WWII naprej niso napovedale vojne nikomur.

Kar seveda ni enako tistemu kar je naš kolega izjavil. Ker ZDA so sodelovale v več vojnah. Torej so bile v vojni.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/19911...

According to the Financial Times'
@ChristopherJM
, the 28-point peace proposal being secretly and hastily discussed between President Trump's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Russian Envoy Kirill Dmitriev are just the maximum demands previously given by Russia, which includes cutting the Ukraine Army in half, giving up certain long-range weapons and other equipment considered a threat by Russia, the surrender of both the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts in Eastern Ukraine to Russia, and the removal of President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Kako d fak ta administracija vsake 3 tedne default-ira na rusko stališče in se jo mora vsakič na novo prepričat, da ne svira Putinove flavte? Kako je ta debilizem sploh toleriran v 21. st.?

Čez to eno in isto rusko zahtevo (in zakaj je ne bomo izpolnili) smo šli že vsaj 9x no, pizda..

KBraneK007 je danes ob 18:35:48 izjavil:

Zgleda je putin ponovno witkoffa scat peljal. Keith Kellog bi mogel ostat ne pa, da so ga šli zamenjat.

Kellog ni bil všeč Rusom in Trump ga je ubogljivo zamenjal za Witkoffa (ta je zelo očitno Rusom po volji in zelo očitno je tudi zakaj). Model je zabit ko kandelabr.

Ne razumem pa kaj dela Rubio, da je pripravljen biti podpisan pod to svinjarijo, ker mislim da zgodovina pa res ne bo prijazno gledala na tale ˝et tu Brutus˝, ki se ga dela Ukrajincem.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/19912...

Axios has now confirmed reporting by the Financial Times about the hastily negotiated ceasefire being decided by White House Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Russian Envoy Kirill Dmitriev, which would reportedly grant Russia parts of Eastern Ukraine it does not currently control and weaken the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in exchange for a security guarantee by the United States for Ukraine and Europe against future aggression by Russia.

The 28-point plan calls for Russia to gain full de facto control over the Donbas in Eastern Ukraine, which includes both Luhansk and Donetsk, and would be recognized by the U.S. and other countries - along with Crimea - as lawfully part of the Russian Federation, though this would not currently be required of Ukraine. A Ukrainian official claimed the plan also included limitations on the size of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and on its arsenal of long-range weapons in return for security guarantees from the United States.

Witkoff planned to visit Ankara on Wednesday and hold a trilateral meeting with Ukrainian President Zelensky and Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fida, but officials claim the meeting was postponed when it became clear that Zelensky was walking back from the understandings reached with Rustem Umerov - Zelensky's National Security Adviser who reportedly met with Witkoff last weekend in Miami - and is not interested in discussing the Trump Plan. Zelensky instead was traveling to Turkey on Wednesday with another plan drafted with European partners, which U.S. officials say will never be accepted by Russia.

Mislim, če pogajanja res predvidevajo da ZDA/EU priznajo okupirana področja kot ruska, potem je zadeva brezpredmetna, tudi če Ukrajinci še verjamejo ameriškim varnostnim ˝zagotovilom˝.

But sources in Europe are expressing a lot of scepticism, noting we've been here before with Witkoff and Russia and it's fallen apart.

Europe is not involved in these talks. It's unclear who on the US side is backing them. It looks like another Witkoff-Dmitriev idea that concedes to Russian demands.

European sources also stress that as ever there should be a massive health warning on anything Dmitriev says.

Europeans note that Russia is desperate to avoid US sanctions and whenever it comes under economic pressure it pretends to the US it's interested in a deal.

Russian fuel shipments in the first half of November fell to the lowest since the invasion of Ukraine began, a further sign that sanctions are hurting.

And they say there remains no indication that Putin has moved from his same maximalist demands.

It's another lurch on the rollercoaster but cold water poured on the idea anything major has yet changed or is imminent. The 'plan' is ultimately only going to go anywhere if Trump / Rubio / Ukraine all back it and there's no indication yet on any of those.

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