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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

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Pac-Man ::

Ta del si zgrešil?

beneath the surface, the United States was beginning to resemble his own country: a place where self-dealing elites had hollowed out vital institutions and where alienated, frustrated people were increasingly open to populist and authoritarian appeals.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Proti celotnemu vodstvu FBK so odprli preiskavo zaradi ustanovitve & sodelovanja v ekstremistični organizaciji. Prvo se bojda kaznuje z do 10 leti zapora. Gtranslate:

https://sledcom.ru/news/item/1613700/

The Main Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation opened a criminal case under Part 1 of Art. 282.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (creation and management of an extremist community) against A. Navalny, L. Volkov, I. Zhdanov and other persons and under Part 2 of Art. 282.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (participation in an extremist community) against L. Sobol, G. Alburov, R. Shaveddinov, V. Gimadi, P. Zelensky, R. Mulyukov and other persons.

It was established that no later than 2014, Navalny, being the founder of the Foundation for the Fight against Corruption (recognized as extremist and liquidated on the territory of the Russian Federation), in order to carry out extremist activities aimed at changing the foundations of the constitutional system in the Russian Federation, undermining public security and state integrity of the Russian Federation created an extremist community and led it. During this period of time, Volkov and Zhdanov joined Navalny's criminal activities.

To ensure the activities of the extremist community, including its financing, as well as to create conditions for committing crimes of an extremist orientation, to attract new participants, the organizers established 8 non-profit organizations - foundations and commercial organizations, which were structural divisions of the community.
In order to expand the scope of criminal activity in 2017, the public movement "Navalny Headquarters" was created to carry out community activities in 37 regions of Russia. The main curator and head of Navalny's Headquarters was Volkov, representing the Federal Headquarters in Moscow. In the period from 2014 to 2021. the community included Sobol, Alburov, Shaveddinov, Gimadi and other persons, as well as heads and staff of headquarters in the regions.
In order to promote criminal activity on the Internet, the following have been created: the site "Anti-Corruption Fund"; the site of the public movement "Navalny's Headquarters"; own channel on the video hosting "YouTube" "Alexei Navalny", and also used the social networks "Twitter", "Instagram", "Facebook", etc.
The illegal activities of the extremist community were aimed at discrediting state authorities and their policies, destabilizing the situation in the regions, creating a protest mood among the population and shaping public opinion about the need for a violent change of power, organizing and conducting protest actions that escalate into riots.
To this end, in the period from 2014 to 2021. leaders and members of the extremist community systematically held uncoordinated public events in the territories of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, during which calls for extremist and terrorist activities were carried out, illegal actions were committed that entailed a violation of human and civil rights and freedoms, and damage to public order and public safety was inflicted.
By the decision of the Moscow City Court this year, the NGO "FBK", the NGO "Fund for the Protection of Citizens' Rights" were liquidated and the activities of the public movement "Navalny's Headquarters" were banned in connection with their recognition as extremist organizations.

The leaders and members of the extremist community committed crimes of an extremist nature, including: the creation by Navalny and his leadership, together with Volkov and Zhdanov, of a non-profit organization acting as a foreign agent - FBK and calls for citizens to commit illegal acts - to participate in uncoordinated rallies on January 23 and 31 , as well as April 21, 2021 (part 2 of article 239 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation); Volkov and Zhdanov posted a video on the Internet in August of this year (after the court made a decision to ban FBK's activities) in which they called on an unlimited number of people to finance Navalny's Team by transferring funds and cryptocurrency (Part 1 of Art. 282.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ); posting by Volkov and other unidentified supporters of Navalny on the Internet of publications calling for minors to participate in uncoordinated rallies on January 23, 2021 (part 2 of article 151.2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation); a member of Navalny's Headquarters Mulyukov in the city of Ufa on June 12, 2017, spoke to citizens with calls for a violent change in the foundations of the constitutional order by carrying out a revolution on the territory of the Russian Federation (part 1 of article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation); Zelensky, a member of the “federal” Navalny Headquarters in Moscow, posted publications on the Internet in October 2020, in which he encouraged them to fight against the existing state power using violent actions (Part 1 of Art. 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).

The investigation of all the facts of the criminal activity of the accomplices continues.




https://twitter.com/CarlSchreck/status/...
This specific charge against @navalny is punishable by up to 10 years in prison, which will give Kremlin more (formal) flexibility with how long to keep him imprisoned after his all-but-guaranteed conviction if case is brought to trial
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Ilja Varlamov o razpadu SZ. 40 minut, angleški podnapisi (CC).



https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Bellingcat so v Rusiji razglasili za tujega agenta in zgodil se je streisandin efekt.

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
One thing Bellingcat's new foreign agent status has done is get us trending in Russia and increased our Russian language site traffic by 250%. Thanks, Putin.

tudi

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1...
We note the decision of the Russian justice ministry to name Bellingcat as a foreign agent. This puts us in the same company as many of Russia's remaining prominent independent media outlets and human rights NGOs.
However, unlike the majority of other "foreign agents", Bellingcat has neither a legal nor physical presence in Russia. We are a foundation registered in the Netherlands without staff in Russia.
The goal of designating Bellingcat is likely an attempt to limit the opportunities of Russian media to cite our investigations and circulate our findings to their audiences, further limiting freedom of the press in Russia.

It is sad that this announcement has been made on what should be a day of celebration for Russian journalism after Novaya Gazeta editor Dmitry Muratov was named Nobel Peace Prize winner.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Kodorkovski o Muratovi nobelovi & politični situaciji v domovini.

https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Pregled dnevnega tiska, dvominutni video. Večinoma jamr čez podražitve.

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/14...
Today one Russian newspaper jokes about rising prices: “In Russia only two types of goods will go up in price: non-food items and food items.” Inflation is front page news in today's Russian papers.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Razglasitve tujih agentov se nadaljujejo in postajajo vedno bolj bizarne. Imamo primer hkratnega ruskega vladnega medija na twitterju in tujega agenta v Rusiji.

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status...
Continuing tradition of bad news on Friday, Russian authorities have just designated 2 more outlets as foreign agents: Rosbalt, a news agency at one time well linked to St P security elite (obvs no longer) and Republic, a sharp analytical site edited by one of the best in Russia.
Don’t be mistaken by the bluff: this is war on independent journalism. It makes their life extremely difficult — more reports, more risk for sources. The only comfort is that there are now so many foreign agents that any perceived “shame” is now much diluted.


https://twitter.com/Alexey__Kovalev/sta...
Russia's "foreign agent" law quickly went from infuriating to absurd: this Friday's batch of "foreign agent media" includes Rosbalt, a news agency with the dubious honor of being both "Russian state media" on Twitter and a "foreign agent" according to Russia's Justice Ministry.
It's clear that they're running out of small indy media to snuff out, and since this machine doesn't have a reverse gear, we're probably well into siloviki turf wars territory now; Rosbalt is connected to the (in)famous Viktor Cherkesov @ Wikipedia, once the head of anti-narcotics agency.





Odprli so tudi prvi sodni postopek po tem zakonu. Proti 80-letnemu borcu za državljanske svoboščine, "one man band ACLU-ju". Verjetno je situacijo sprovociral nalašč. gtranslate:

https://twitter.com/SotaVision/status/1...
❗️For the first time in Russia, a protocol was drawn up against the founder of the For Human Rights movement, Lev Ponomaryov @ Wikipedia, under the article on non-fulfillment of duties imposed by the status of a foreign agent (19.34.1 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation). Recall that Lev Ponomarev was recognized as an individual-media-foreign agent in December 2020.
Roskomnadzor employees found a "violation" in the form of a lack of marking of a foreign agent in 25 posts of Ponomarev on Facebook, 13 tweets and two posts on Instagram, it became known to SOTA.
Lev Ponomarev himself explained to Sota that he considers such a practice aimed at preventing him from publishing anything at all on his own behalf, and plans to reach the ECHR and the Constitutional Court.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Po mnenju Memoriala je v Rusiji 420 političnih zapornikov. Ruski članek na povezavi ima poimenski seznam z detajli.

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/1...

Memorial (society) @ Wikipedia
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Ta fotka je akterjema prislužila 10 mesecev v zaporniški koloniji, moški bo po prestani kazni izgnan v Tadžikistan. Žaljenje čustev vernikov, sojenje se je končalo v enem mesecu.

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/statu...
This prank, a simulated act of oral sex with St. Basil’s Cathedral in the background, has just resulted in 10-month prison sentences for its two young participants. Nearly a year behind bars — for a joke.


Članek:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/10/...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Zdaj so do l. 2025 izgnali dopisnika Volkskranta, zaradi dveh administrativnih kazni iz l. 2019 in 2020, ki delujeta zelo neosovjetsko.
Ni se pofočkal pri policiji & Čukotko je obiskal brez da bi za dovoljenje prosil guvernerja.

https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/stat...

gtranslate:
https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achter...

The Russian authorities point to violations from several years ago. Vennink had to pay a fine in November 2019 because he had not communicated his residence address in Moscow in time to the authorities. Foreigners in Russia are obliged to re-register at their home address after each visit to a different municipality.
In January 2020, Vennink also had to pay a fine for visiting the northern province of Chukotka without requesting permission from the governor of that province.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Zadnji 2 leti Rusije v 15ih minutah.

Russia: how Putin is silencing his opponents | The Economist


In Russia, repression is on the rise as Vladimir Putin seeks to crush any form of dissent.
From eliminating the opposition—including his main rival, Alexei Navalny—to controlling the courts and purging Russia of free speech, Putin is deploying a wider range of tactics than ever to tighten his grip on power.

00:00 - What is happening in Russia?
01:00 - Why is Putin afraid of Alexei Navanly?
02:33 - The role Russia’s economy plays in Putin’s power
04:16 - How Russia is eliminating political opponents
07:28 - What happened in the 2021 State Duma elections
08:30 - How the legal system is being exploited
11:18 - How free speech is being stifled
14:09 - Why Putin’s opponents are fleeing


Ta ekonomlonec bo enkrat razgnalo in vse bolj dvomim, da bo vse skupaj ostalo znotraj ruskih meja.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

O Sakašviliju. 1. oktobra so ga aretirali, zdaj je pa po sedmih tednih gladovne stavke končal v bolnici.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr...

Saakashvili had not been back since he lost power to Georgian Dream, a party set up by the billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili in 2012. It was Georgia’s first democratic transition, a massive milestone for a country that has been occupied by Persians, Turks, Russians and the Soviets – and where power has traditionally been transferred only through wars or revolutions.

As Kakha Bendukidze, one of the founding fathers of the modern Georgian state, put it in 2012: “Georgia made a step forward … but sometimes when you make a step forward, you step in shit.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Comandante ::

Russian military build-up near Ukraine is 'unprovoked and unexplained': NATO chief
Putin igra sah. Ocitno je, da mu ne ustreza ukrajinsko spogledovanje z zvezo NATO, vendar pa IMO ni v poziciji, da Ukrajino odkrito napade (bolj odkrito kot na vzhodu in na Krimu). To bi zanj bil politicni samomor (vojna nima podpore ljudstva), Rusija pa bi fasala taksne sankcije, da bi ziveli se v 3x vecji bedi kot sedaj. Tudi zmaga na terenu je vprasljiva, americani bi verjetno v primeru napada Ukrajini po hitrem postopku dostavili spodobno protiletalsko, drone ter artilerijo. Ukrajinska vojska sicer ni pretirano dobro opremljena, jih pa je kljub temu precej, ce se mobilizirajo. Teh 100k ruskih vojakov na meji ni dovolj za okupacijo cesarkoli zahodno od Dnjepra.

Je vse skupaj samo show?

fikus_ ::

Dvomim, da ima Putin interes napast UKR, ker bi dobil konkretne sankcije. V glavnem gre za merjenje mišic na eni in drugi strani.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

korenje3 ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Dvomim, da ima Putin interes napast UKR, ker bi dobil konkretne sankcije. V glavnem gre za merjenje mišic na eni in drugi strani.


Dokler bodo ukrajinci hoteli krimski polotok rusi ne bodo dali miru. Poleg tega jih pa še američani filajo z orožjem. Tako da napad ni izključen.
Lahko je pa samo grožnja, tako da poskrbijo za ekonomski propad ukrajine.
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Pac-Man ::

Švedski dokumentarec o poskusu umora kadirovega kritika, ki je bil tam v izgnanstvu. 1 ura, angleški podnapisi.

https://www.svtplay.se/video/33484718/u...

Prajmer:
https://www.rferl.org/a/chechen-blogger...


V Berlinu je bil podoben napad uspešen, storilca so ujeli. Tožilstvo bo zahtevalo dosmrtni zapor, tudi na osnovi informacij, ki jih je zbral Bellingcat.

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deu...

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/03...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

V-i-p ::

Včeraj pogledal dokumentarec "Mož, ki ga Putinu ni uspelo ubiti." Dober je bil.
https://www.rtvslo.si/tv/novosti/moz-ki...
Kar lahko storiš danes, ne odlašaj na jutri. Raje reci, da si naredil že včeraj!

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Mr.B ::

France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

V-i-p je izjavil:


Hvala za tole, bom pogledal zvečer.



Meduzin Aleksej Kovalev za NYT o ruskem spopadanju s pandemijo.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/opin...

A deadly virus can’t be ignored, jailed, exiled or co-opted — nor can it be locked down without great economic cost. That puts President Vladimir Putin of Russia in a bind.
The pandemic, perhaps his hardiest foe to date, has starkly revealed the limits of his power.
...
The Kremlin has itself to blame. Given Russia’s intellectual, administrative and technological capacities, a successful vaccine rollout should have been possible.
Instead, the authorities fatally eroded the public’s trust with conflicting messaging — oscillating between triumphalism and scaremongering — and haphazardly applied containment measures.
...
The anti-vaccine movement uses lines first delivered by the authorities. In March 2020, a leading Russian physician, Leonid Roshal, claimed that the new coronavirus was no more dangerous than ordinary flu and even demanded prosecution for those who said otherwise.
As the true scope of the pandemic became apparent and European capitals went into lockdowns, state media and officials downplayed or ignored reports of disastrous outbreaks in several regions, lauding Moscow’s “openness.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Še:

In response, Russian state-owned and loyalist media have poured vitriol on vaccine skeptics with the ferocity usually reserved for the anti-Putin opposition.
Russia Today’s editor in chief, Margarita Simonyan — who herself claimed in January 2020 that the coronavirus affects only “ethnic Chinese” — wrote on her Telegram channel that she had doubts about the anti-vaccine activists’ basic “cognitive abilities.”
But denouncing “sociopathic” “anti-vaxxer half-wits” is unlikely to win many hearts and minds — nor is attempting to paint the domestic anti-vaccine movement as a foreign plot to undermine Russia.

That’s because the vaccine skeptics aren’t drawn from the usual ranks of anti-Kremlin activists.
In fact, the movement is spearheaded by celebrities like Maria Shukshina, the highly decorated actress who was recently awarded the Order of Merit for the Motherland, and Egor Beroev, a popular actor who has become infamous for wearing a yellow Star of David.
The usual playbook for dealing with the opposition — legal, physical and media harassment, arbitrary arrests and kangaroo trials — isn’t applicable.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Ne skrbi paxi, samo üto nije...
Prej kitajci, potem rusi... samo üe öakamo da zaöno kitajci in rusi nazaj groziti z jederkim oro#jem...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

V-i-p je izjavil:

Včeraj pogledal dokumentarec "Mož, ki ga Putinu ni uspelo ubiti." Dober je bil.
https://www.rtvslo.si/tv/novosti/moz-ki...


Pogledal, tudi sam priporočam. Res temeljit pregled njegove življenjske zgodbe in situacije v Rusiji, kot se za celovečerni dokumentarec spodobi, niso skrivali niti njegovega nacionalizma.
Med drugim so pred kamero pripeljali tudi dva medicinca z letala za evakuacijo.

Direktna povezava, da se Mr.B ne bo pretegnil z iskanjem ;)

https://365.rtvslo.si/arhiv/tuji-dokume...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Nekaj novega od ex-FBK-jevcev.

V Rusiji so začeli v imenu državne varnosti brisat podatke iz katastra. Ampak pri FBK imajo stare arhive in lahko primerjajo čigavo imovino so šli skrivat.
Na spisku so vsi navalnijevi zastrupljevalci, cel kup takih in drugačnih VIPovcev, ki nimajo ničesar z državno varnostjo ter družina kazahstanskega predsednika.

14 minut, angleški podnapisi

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

FTad ::

Comandante je izjavil:

Russian military build-up near Ukraine is 'unprovoked and unexplained': NATO chief
Putin igra sah. Ocitno je, da mu ne ustreza ukrajinsko spogledovanje z zvezo NATO, vendar pa IMO ni v poziciji, da Ukrajino odkrito napade (bolj odkrito kot na vzhodu in na Krimu). To bi zanj bil politicni samomor (vojna nima podpore ljudstva), Rusija pa bi fasala taksne sankcije, da bi ziveli se v 3x vecji bedi kot sedaj. Tudi zmaga na terenu je vprasljiva, americani bi verjetno v primeru napada Ukrajini po hitrem postopku dostavili spodobno protiletalsko, drone ter artilerijo. Ukrajinska vojska sicer ni pretirano dobro opremljena, jih pa je kljub temu precej, ce se mobilizirajo. Teh 100k ruskih vojakov na meji ni dovolj za okupacijo cesarkoli zahodno od Dnjepra.

Je vse skupaj samo show?


Pa bi zavezniki dejansko kaj naredili? Ali bi najprej gledali, kako postane Ukrajina okupirana, kot so pred 80. leti gledali, kaj se dogaja s Poljsko?

Comandante ::

Pa bi zavezniki dejansko kaj naredili? Ali bi najprej gledali, kako postane Ukrajina okupirana, kot so pred 80. leti gledali, kaj se dogaja s Poljsko?

Moskvi bi nabili divje sankcije, Ukrajince pa bi posteno oborozili, da bi Rusom bilo posteno zal, da so se lotili ofenzive. Putinu bi na ta nacin priljubljenost doma konkretno padla (ze zdaj ni ravno visoka), lahko bi se mu celo zacel majati prestol.

Ukrajina je suverena drzava, in ce zeli, ima vso pravico postati clanica zveze NATO. Seveda pa carju to ni po godu.

Unchancy ::

Comandante je izjavil:

Pa bi zavezniki dejansko kaj naredili? Ali bi najprej gledali, kako postane Ukrajina okupirana, kot so pred 80. leti gledali, kaj se dogaja s Poljsko?

Moskvi bi nabili divje sankcije, Ukrajince pa bi posteno oborozili, da bi Rusom bilo posteno zal, da so se lotili ofenzive. Putinu bi na ta nacin priljubljenost doma konkretno padla (ze zdaj ni ravno visoka), lahko bi se mu celo zacel majati prestol.

Ukrajina je suverena drzava, in ce zeli, ima vso pravico postati clanica zveze NATO. Seveda pa carju to ni po godu.

Imaš prav. Po drugi strani je Iran ravno tako suverena država in če hoče, lahko ima jedrsko orožje. Ravno tako je Kuba suverena država itd. itd.
Saj veš, na kaj namigujem.
Vsaka od velesil poskuša izsiliti svoje interese.
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Comandante ::

Imaš prav. Po drugi strani je Iran ravno tako suverena država in če hoče, lahko ima jedrsko orožje. Ravno tako je Kuba suverena država itd. itd.
Saj veš, na kaj namigujem.
Vsaka od velesil poskuša izsiliti svoje interese.

Proliferacija jedrskega orozja je prepovedana, siritiev zveze NATO ni. Zdaj, koliko je pravicno, da drzave z jedrskim orozjem prepovedo izdelavo enakega orozja drzavam, ki ga nimajo... je pa seveda legitimno vprasanje. Vendar se lahko strinjamo, da siritev jedrskega kluba ni pametna stvar, in se ji je dobro izogibati v najvecji mozni meri. Sploh, ko govorimo o dubioznih islamskih republikah.
Ukrajinci so preprosto pogledali okoli sebe, in se odlocili, kam bi radi. Na zahodu vidijo prosperiteto, napredek, razvoj (tehnoloski in druzbeni). Na vzhodu vidijo bedo, revscino, totalitarizem, umore novinarjev in podobno.

Mr.B ::

Comandante je izjavil:

Pa bi zavezniki dejansko kaj naredili? Ali bi najprej gledali, kako postane Ukrajina okupirana, kot so pred 80. leti gledali, kaj se dogaja s Poljsko?

Moskvi bi nabili divje sankcije, Ukrajince pa bi posteno oborozili, da bi Rusom bilo posteno zal, da so se lotili ofenzive. Putinu bi na ta nacin priljubljenost doma konkretno padla (ze zdaj ni ravno visoka), lahko bi se mu celo zacel majati prestol.

Ukrajina je suverena drzava, in ce zeli, ima vso pravico postati clanica zveze NATO. Seveda pa carju to ni po godu.

Kaj so plinski rezervoraji polni ? Sam vprašam.
Ukrajina z naciji in korupcijo se bo sesula sama vase. Putin je pa tudi jasno rekel, nema plina, naslednje pogodbe ne bo.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Comandante ::

Putin je pa tudi jasno rekel, nema plina, naslednje pogodbe ne bo.

Evropa lahko dobi plin iz ZDA, to je najmanjsi problem.

V resnici je Putin tisti, ki ima problem. Plin prodaja za evre, ne ker je dobra dusa. Bomo videli, kako dolgo bo zdrzal brez evrov.

Mr.B ::

Comandante je izjavil:

Putin je pa tudi jasno rekel, nema plina, naslednje pogodbe ne bo.

Evropa lahko dobi plin iz ZDA, to je najmanjsi problem.

V resnici je Putin tisti, ki ima problem. Plin prodaja za evre, ne ker je dobra dusa. Bomo videli, kako dolgo bo zdrzal brez evrov.

No vidis, pa si dojel, samo vse moras pripravit. Samo sto nije.
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Unchancy ::

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Pa bi zavezniki dejansko kaj naredili? Ali bi najprej gledali, kako postane Ukrajina okupirana, kot so pred 80. leti gledali, kaj se dogaja s Poljsko?

Moskvi bi nabili divje sankcije, Ukrajince pa bi posteno oborozili, da bi Rusom bilo posteno zal, da so se lotili ofenzive. Putinu bi na ta nacin priljubljenost doma konkretno padla (ze zdaj ni ravno visoka), lahko bi se mu celo zacel majati prestol.

Ukrajina je suverena drzava, in ce zeli, ima vso pravico postati clanica zveze NATO. Seveda pa carju to ni po godu.

Kaj so plinski rezervoraji polni ? Sam vprašam.
Ukrajina z naciji in korupcijo se bo sesula sama vase. Putin je pa tudi jasno rekel, nema plina, naslednje pogodbe ne bo.

Načeloma to Putina nima kaj brigati.
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Proliferacija jedrskega orozja je prepovedana, siritiev zveze NATO ni.


Če širiš NATO, moraš pričakovati odziv in posledice.

Zdaj, koliko je pravicno, da drzave z jedrskim orozjem prepovedo izdelavo enakega orozja drzavam, ki ga nimajo... je pa seveda legitimno vprasanje.


Točno to. Ukrajina verjetno zelo obžaluje, da se je odpovedala jedrskemu orožju ob razpadu SZ.
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Pa bi zavezniki dejansko kaj naredili? Ali bi najprej gledali, kako postane Ukrajina okupirana, kot so pred 80. leti gledali, kaj se dogaja s Poljsko?

Moskvi bi nabili divje sankcije, Ukrajince pa bi posteno oborozili, da bi Rusom bilo posteno zal, da so se lotili ofenzive. Putinu bi na ta nacin priljubljenost doma konkretno padla (ze zdaj ni ravno visoka), lahko bi se mu celo zacel majati prestol.

Ukrajina je suverena drzava, in ce zeli, ima vso pravico postati clanica zveze NATO. Seveda pa carju to ni po godu.

Kaj so plinski rezervoraji polni ? Sam vprašam.
Ukrajina z naciji in korupcijo se bo sesula sama vase. Putin je pa tudi jasno rekel, nema plina, naslednje pogodbe ne bo.

Načeloma to Putina nima kaj brigati.

Nacelom iz tvojih komentarjev iz drugih tem, tebe nima to tam v aziji kaj brigat.Pozdrav ameriski demokraciji..... korupcija do lufta, naciji itd. Sej vem paxi ti bo razlozil da je to posledica zasedenih ozemlji c cisto nicno ekonomsko vrednost.

Unchancy je izjavil:

Proliferacija jedrskega orozja je prepovedana, siritiev zveze NATO ni.


Če širiš NATO, moraš pričakovati odziv in posledice.

Zdaj, koliko je pravicno, da drzave z jedrskim orozjem prepovedo izdelavo enakega orozja drzavam, ki ga nimajo... je pa seveda legitimno vprasanje.


Točno to. Ukrajina verjetno zelo obžaluje, da se je odpovedala jedrskemu orožju ob razpadu SZ.

A ni dosti da imamo nukice aparhajdski sistem.
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Comandante ::

Pozdrav ameriski demokraciji..... korupcija do lufta

Ameriska demokracija je na case precej gnila, tu se vsi strinjamo. Ampak dokler je alternativa Putin, je izbira ocitna. Kljub vsem manjkom zahoda, je le ta se vedno svetlobna leta pred vzhodno avtokracijo.

Ukrajinci so se odlocili, da imajo dovolj bede in revscine. Bojijo se tankov na vzhodni meji. Zato silijo proti EU in NATO. Putin korencka nima, zato maha s palico.

Unchancy ::

Nacelom iz tvojih komentarjev iz drugih tem, tebe nima to tam v aziji kaj brigat.Pozdrav ameriski demokraciji..... korupcija do lufta, naciji itd. Sej vem paxi ti bo razlozil da je to posledica zasedenih ozemlji c cisto nicno ekonomsko vrednost.


Ko smrdljive CCP podgane stegujejo prste po Evropi, me ima kaj za brigat. Enako ko vsako zimo Putin gobca o plinu. Enako, ko Putin pobija kogarkoli se mu kurac vzdigne po Evropi.
Upam, da Ukrajini zahodnjaki dajo nukice, upam da jim jih zdele montirajo in spravljajo v operativno stanje.
CCP in ruske petokolonaše v EU pa upam da dohiti karma. In kmalu zatem tudi ameriške.
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Mr.B ::

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Nacelom iz tvojih komentarjev iz drugih tem, tebe nima to tam v aziji kaj brigat.Pozdrav ameriski demokraciji..... korupcija do lufta, naciji itd. Sej vem paxi ti bo razlozil da je to posledica zasedenih ozemlji c cisto nicno ekonomsko vrednost.


Ko smrdljive CCP podgane stegujejo prste po Evropi, me ima kaj za brigat. Enako ko vsako zimo Putin gobca o plinu. Enako, ko Putin pobija kogarkoli se mu kurac vzdigne po Evropi.
Upam, da Ukrajini zahodnjaki dajo nukice, upam da jim jih zdele montirajo in spravljajo v operativno stanje.
CCP in ruske petokolonaše v EU pa upam da dohiti karma. In kmalu zatem tudi ameriške.

Karma je to da 80% US BDP produkcije predstavlja storitve, to je več kot vsota naslednjih 6 gospodarstva skupaj. Veš kateri gospodarski sektor ima največ prihodkov v US. Namignem ti, ni vojaški, je pa zelo odvisen od tiskanja denarja. Po profitu, pa je druga zgodba. Ostalo boš pa znal priti v obratni smeri, narediti smernice.
PS, ampak vem da boš šel v nmapačno smer...
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Unchancy ::

Pa daj že odpri temo "Pljuvanje po ZDA" in si daj duška. Bom tudi sam prispeval.
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Unchancy je izjavil:

Pa daj že odpri temo "Pljuvanje po ZDA" in si daj duška. Bom tudi sam prispeval.

Zakaj bi pa pluvali v demokracijo. demokracijo bazirati po standardih.....heil Corporation.
Zato pa Apple lik podjetja investirajo v državo s koncentracijskimi kampi, zgolj zato ker taki kot ti…. No če si napačno razumel pravi del : in corporation we trust.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

fikus_ ::

Spet merjenje, kdo ima daljsega?! Če bo Putin zaprl pipico s plinom, bo to zimo v EU marsikomu hladno, pa ne politikom z pregreto glavo!
Enostavno je naredit "sranje", težje nato pospravit.
USA vedo, da so zgubile gospodarski primat, prav tako zgubljajo vojaškega, preostali svet mora samo se ugotoviti, da so $ vredni samo toliko kot je vreden papir, na katerem so natiskani. Podobno se dogaja z € zaradi sedanjega pretiranega tiskanja.
Rešitev za USA je, da se nekje na drugem koncu sveta zgodi vojna da bodo spet "rešitelji", da bodo prodajali orožje, da bodo spet koga kolonializirali, si ga podredili. Za to je tudi UKR dobra, ker se nahaja pred dvoriščem EU in Rusije, dve muhi na en mah.

Ne verjamem, da bo Putin z vojsko šel v UKR, je precej velik zalogaj, poleg tega bi pa dobil sankcije na energenta. V tem primeru bi tudi EU potegnila kratko, ker se bi nafta in plin precej podražila, USA bi bila pa na boljšem , ker se bi spet splačalo pridobivati nafto iz skrilavcev.
Tako da tole zadnje "napenjanje mišic"je igra za rajo, v ozadju je pa igra USA za njihovo preživetje.

UKR politika, če bi bila pametna, se ne bi zanašala na USA, ker jih bodo pustili na cedilu (kot npr. Afganistan), ampak je tako najlažje vladat, Rusi so zunanji sovražnik , USA pa zaveznik (z napako).
EU se mora postaviti zase, poskrbeti za dovolj energije, brez odvisnosti od Rusije, Arabcev, . . .
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Mr.B ::

Kitajci in Rusi rabijo samo da se amerika in UK ukvarja s problemi kot so sedaj.....
The 10 Biggest Industries by Revenue in the US

Problem je, da se pri amerikancih vedno bolj mentalno zapleta pri uporabiti nukic.
Vojaško ? Še Japonci jih nekako šišajo o Gen6 lovcu, F35 je pa itak najemniški model, brez updatov je čez leto ali dve neuporaben kos železa.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
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Unchancy ::

Če bo Putin zaprl pipico s plinom, bo to zimo v EU marsikomu hladno, pa ne politikom z pregreto glavo!


Ob teh cenah plina se bo v letu ali dveh problem rešil sam od sebe. Malo bo neprijetno, morda tudi drago (bo pa promet ponudnikov alternativnih rešitev ogrevanja zrasel), ampak ko se bomo odklopili od podzemnega prdenja, bo EU cash krava za Ruse izgubljena za zmeraj.
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Gledal sem en ruski dokumentarec, ki ima malo drugacne zgodovinske podatke kot ga ima zahod. Sej, je za pricakovat, da bo zahod govoril po svoje, vzhod pa po svoje, kater ima prav, pa morate presodit sami. Pa ne na podlagi denarja in koristoljublja. Vcasih naj bi "slovansko vedsko arijvska drzava belih ljudi, tak naziv sem slisal v dokumentarcu, verjetno nima nic opravit z nacisticno nemcijo, ker to naj bi bilo staro kot zemlja. V glavnem tam v dokumentarcu kazejo stare zemljevide in pravijo, da je ta skupna drzava nekoc obsegala skoraj celotno evropo in velik del azije, bila je najvecja drzava na svetu. No, saj je se zmeraj, ceprav je zdaj dost manjsa kot prej. Pa ne govorim o sovjetski zvezi, gre za zelo stare zemljevide. Men je zanimiv fenomen, kako pripadnik slovanov pljuje po druge slovanu. Ok, ce nekomu ne pase dolocena oblast, to nekak razumem, ampak kaj ima to opravit z navadnimi ljudmi. Drugo kar opazam je, da je vecini vseeno, samo, da jim kdo da korencek, kot pravite, navidez lepse zivljenje. Ampak ce pogledate kratkorocno in dolgorocno, ali se te obljube uresnicijo ali pa so samo zacasne? Poglejte zgodovino.

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Kdaj se bo pojavil mir med zahodom in vzhodom. Oziroma na sploh kdaj bo prislo srecno obdobje miru na Zemlji? Takrat, ko bo vecina ljudi prisla na tak nivo, ko bodo cutili odgovornost za svoja dejanja. Ce pogledate svoje prijatelje, znance, okolico, ali menite, da so/smo na tej stopnji? V casu bivse juge slisim zgodbe, kako so morda vec kot polovica tistih, ki so nabavili golf 1 dizel, tocili olje namest bencina, tako da bi prisparali. Tko da za takrat sigurn ne moremo rect, da so bili ljudje odgovorni do svojih dejanj. Kaj pa zdaj? Ali se ljudje drzijo nenapisanih pravil? Ali cutijo odgovronost do svojih dejanj, tako kot to opazam recimo v skandinaviji, svici, morda tudi avstriji pri navadnih ljudeh? Ali pa samo gledajo svoje sebicne interese, za drugo jih ne zanima?

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fikus_ ::

Unchancy je izjavil:

Če bo Putin zaprl pipico s plinom, bo to zimo v EU marsikomu hladno, pa ne politikom z pregreto glavo!


Ob teh cenah plina se bo v letu ali dveh problem rešil sam od sebe. Malo bo neprijetno, morda tudi drago (bo pa promet ponudnikov alternativnih rešitev ogrevanja zrasel), ampak ko se bomo odklopili od podzemnega prdenja, bo EU cash krava za Ruse izgubljena za zmeraj.


Kje bodo po tvojem v 2-eh letih dobili zamenjavo za ruski plin?!
Na ameriškega pozabi, ker na svetu ne obstaja dovolj zmogljivosti za prevoz plina!
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Mr.B ::

Poleg obstoječe, .....

With gas prices going through the roof in Europe, the Kremlin has once again demonstrated how much leverage it has on the European energy market. This remains true despite temporary setbacks for Moscow such as this week's decision by the German energy regulator to suspend certification of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Berlin's move immediately drove up gas prices in Europe by 15 per cent.

The China-Russia east route natural gas pipeline project has delivered a total of 10 billion cubic meters of imported Russian gas as of Wednesday, since gas imports started in December 2019, customs data showed.
The pipeline is scheduled to provide China with 10 billion cubic meters of Russian gas in 2021 and the amount is expected to increase to 38 billion cubic meters annually from 2024, according to the 30-year, $400 billion contract signed by Russian gas giant Gazprom and China National Petroleum Corp in 2014.



This portion starts at Yongqing in China's northern province of Hebei and ends at Shanghai in eastern China. The full China-Russia East system is a 5,111-km (3,176-mile) pipeline pumping natural gas from the Siberia region in Russia to China.
Once launched in 2025, the southern part of the pipeline is expected to transmit 18.9 billion cubic metres (bcm) of natural gas to the Yangtze River delta region each year, the statement said.
Russian gas producer Gazprom is in talks to raise annual gas flows to China by 6 (bcm) to 44 bcm via the Power of Siberia pipeline.
In May, Gazprom began a feasibility study for its Power of Siberia-2 pipeline project that would pump up to 50 bcm of gas to China per year via Mongolia.


Nord Stream 2 is a new export gas pipeline running from Russia to Europe ... of two strings of Nord Stream 2 is 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
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Unchancy ::

fikus_ je izjavil:

Unchancy je izjavil:

Če bo Putin zaprl pipico s plinom, bo to zimo v EU marsikomu hladno, pa ne politikom z pregreto glavo!


Ob teh cenah plina se bo v letu ali dveh problem rešil sam od sebe. Malo bo neprijetno, morda tudi drago (bo pa promet ponudnikov alternativnih rešitev ogrevanja zrasel), ampak ko se bomo odklopili od podzemnega prdenja, bo EU cash krava za Ruse izgubljena za zmeraj.


Kje bodo po tvojem v 2-eh letih dobili zamenjavo za ruski plin?!
Na ameriškega pozabi, ker na svetu ne obstaja dovolj zmogljivosti za prevoz plina!


Nekaj jih bo šlo na les, nekaj na toplotne črpalke, počasi a sigurno… Ja, verjetno bo trajalo dlje kot dve leti, sem malo neučakan. Ampak bo.
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Unchancy,
Res je, če bo lseni agregat v bloku bil dovoljen, zagotovo. 55 bcm kolikor je v pogodbi za evropo, gre prej kot za domače mojstre ki bodo šli na drva in ostale eko rešitve.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

fikus_ ::

Unchancy je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

Unchancy je izjavil:

Če bo Putin zaprl pipico s plinom, bo to zimo v EU marsikomu hladno, pa ne politikom z pregreto glavo!


Ob teh cenah plina se bo v letu ali dveh problem rešil sam od sebe. Malo bo neprijetno, morda tudi drago (bo pa promet ponudnikov alternativnih rešitev ogrevanja zrasel), ampak ko se bomo odklopili od podzemnega prdenja, bo EU cash krava za Ruse izgubljena za zmeraj.


Kje bodo po tvojem v 2-eh letih dobili zamenjavo za ruski plin?!
Na ameriškega pozabi, ker na svetu ne obstaja dovolj zmogljivosti za prevoz plina!


Nekaj jih bo šlo na les, nekaj na toplotne črpalke, počasi a sigurno… Ja, verjetno bo trajalo dlje kot dve leti, sem malo neučakan. Ampak bo.



In potem svizec zavije čokolado!
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A. Smith ::

Pri teh problemih z energetiko v EU jaz ne razumem Nemcev, ki so se odpovedali delovanju 8,5GW JE in TE leta 21/22. S tem so se praktično zapakirali Rusom v naročje. Bedaki.
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temprar ::

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Pri teh problemih z energetiko v EU jaz ne razumem Nemcev, ki so se odpovedali delovanju 8,5GW JE in TE leta 21/22. S tem so se praktično zapakirali Rusom v naročje. Bedaki.


Morda se je za vprašati iz druge perspektive.
So se res Nemci tako odločili?
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