Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

Seventeen members of U.S. Congress told @SecDef Llyod Austin to speed up a security review of a #Ukrainian request for large armable drones, reports Reuters.

"Should the decision be made to transfer Gray Eagles, then it should be done expeditiously," the lawmakers stated.

Pac-Man je 24. sep 2022 ob 12:08 izjavil:

Odgovor na MMC, moram delit :D

https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/vojna-v-ukra...

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# 23. september 2022 19:47

Pac-Man

Vse udarne fanatične enote je Ukrajina žal že izgubila."Osvobajalo"se je prazna zapuščena območja z tečajniki in plačanci.Taktični umik ruske vojske se vidi sedaj razlog .Fronta je bila preveč raztegnjena.in za posebno operacijo preveč zahtevna..hkrati se ščiti izvedbo referenduma kateri bo omogočal uporabo celotnega vojaškega arsenala.Sedaj 2 fazaob napadu Ukrajinske vojske na ta območja se bo uporabilo Stratosferski bombnike,letalstvo in ostala neuporabljena sredstva.Napad na območja ki so se odločila za pridružitev k Rusiji se bo tolmačilokot napad na Rusijo kar bo pomenilo napoved vojne, če so Rusi zavzeli 25%Ukrajine z 190k vojaštva kaj meniš se bo zgodilo z pol mionaRusov z polnim arsenalom in strateški udari na državo?Ukrajina kot taka bo nehala obstajat.

Copium hits hard :D

kuall je 24. sep 2022 ob 04:15 izjavil:

rusi vedno uspejo izbrati največjega psihota za vodenje države.

MadMen je 24. sep 2022 ob 13:30 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 24. sep 2022 ob 13:26 izjavil:

kuall je 24. sep 2022 ob 04:15 izjavil:

rusi vedno uspejo izbrati največjega psihota za vodenje države.

V primerjavi s kom? Leninom? Stalinom? Hitlerjem? Churchillom, ki je pobil miljone indijcev? Američani, ki pobijajo miljone letno?

Malo objektivnosti ne bi škodovalo.

Hehe malo si smešen, spominjaš na otroke iz vrca v stilu "ja sej on je tud" čeprav to ni stvar debate.

Drugače pa koga ali kaj pobijajo na letni ravni Američani?

AvtoR je 24. sep 2022 ob 13:53 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 24. sep 2022 ob 13:26 izjavil:

kuall je 24. sep 2022 ob 04:15 izjavil:

rusi vedno uspejo izbrati največjega psihota za vodenje države.

V primerjavi s kom? Leninom? Stalinom? Hitlerjem? Churchillom, ki je pobil miljone indijcev? Američani, ki pobijajo miljone letno?

Malo objektivnosti ne bi škodovalo.

Začni pometati pred domačim pragom.
Če komu tu manjka objektivnosti, si to ti!

MadMen je 24. sep 2022 ob 14:02 izjavil:

Govorimo o dejanskih ubojih ljudi, ki naj bi bili v miljonih.

Kdo pa je rekel da nas ne skrbijo človekove pravice? A ker ne jokamo za vsako svetovno problematiko, potem gre samo za profit ali kako? Torej če se ne boriš za enega se ne smeš boriti za kogarkoli?

Poldi112 je 24. sep 2022 ob 14:09 izjavil:

Aha, zato je pol miljona mrtvih iraških otrok povsem ok - ker jih nismo ustrelili, ampak zgolj in samo izstradali.?

Top Russian propagandist is incensed that Western countries refused to recognize the outcome of any sham referendums Russia is setting up in occupied parts of Ukraine. He claimed that Russia would put an end to Ukraine's existence: "I gave you life and I will take it away."

A few quick thoughts on some stuff getting lost in the noise on Russian mobilization

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The real numbers are going to be "as fast as the mobilization machine goes" and "as many as we need", which might be less than 300k or more than 300k, and has no meaningful upper cap. But calling it "partial" keeps domestic protests smaller than they would otherwise be.

One big observation that folks in the West are underplaying is that mobilization is a politically damaging step *now* for an operational gain *later*.

You don't mobilize today if you expect the war to end soon

Concretely, that means Western allies need a defense industrial policy that supports material assistance in the medium-term, and should not expect the war to end. Similarly, countries who are waiting for the war to end and "get back to normal" shouldn't hold their breath.

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It's also easy to underestimate the domestic effects of mobilization, and how it creates new and toxic power dynamics within Russia itself that will be fucking horrible for them, but also a sustained problem in the long-term for everyone else

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If not being mobilized is now tied to your job, your boss has a dramatic and extremely messed up power dynamic over you. Suddenly the risk of your factory not getting the right permit means you and your staff are at risk, etc etc etc

In the immediate term that will extremely suck for Russians, but in the long-term it'll suck for everyone else, as it entrenches into normality and becomes hard to unwind even post-Putin

In other words, I don't think Russian civil society or their elites has quite appreciated yet how bad this will be, or how sustained, or how long it can last. And, yes, ok, it'll be hard to unwind it now, it'll be even harder to unwind it later. A real slide to authoritarianism

On the nuclear reference, especially combined with the planned sham referenda, my take is folks need to take some deep breaths, it's nothing particularly new.

Explicitly stating that the nuclear umbrella would be extended to annexed regions would not stop UA fighting there, and doing so would undermine the credibility of their own strategic forces. So I doubt they'll make it explicit. And if it's not explicit, it's not credible

So what you'll get is lots of sabre rattling on TV-1 and by proxies about how they'll wipe out London and Berlin if this or that or whatever happens, and a lot of pearl clutching by folks who for whatever reason watch that trash, but that's basically it.

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I know some folks have said that the West should articulate what its response would be.

I strongly disagree.

The discussion should basically begin and end with "there are no 'small' nukes", and "nuclear use of any form is genocide and would fundamentally alter this and all future conflict in ways that nobody, not in Washington, nor Moscow, nor Berlin, nor London can reliably predict"

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High-intensity war is *really* *really* expensive. Not just in blood and infrastructure, though that is obvious and rightly deserves the most attention. But also just generally in lost markets, direct costs of manufacturing, lost labor, etc etc etc.

Nobody fights one unless they think they can win

Russia is mobilizing because it thinks it can still "win". But it thinks that because several countries in the West are still holding punches on material support

It is *vastly* cheaper to supply the equipment earlier to disabuse them of this notion than to drip-feed equipment and then have to bail out the sectors of the economy that fail because of second-order effects of the high-intensity war continuing longer than it otherwise would

If you told a VC in Silicon Valley your startup had invented a widget that costs a million dollars today to offset and avoid a hundred million in costs in six months, it'd be floating in money by midnight

And yet here we are, with major European and other economies holding back on equipment transfers with one hand and wondering what percentage of GDP they'll need to bail out sectors of their economy on the other

Kvajeto je 24. sep 2022 ob 18:32 izjavil:

Tudi ce Putin uporabi jedrsko orožje se ne bo zgodilo nič, kar se tiče odziva Nata. Nato ni neumen, da bi tvegal uničenje planeta.

blay44 je 24. sep 2022 ob 18:37 izjavil:

Iz Kitajske prihaja vse večji šum.
Kaj neki se tam dogaja?

Chalky je 24. sep 2022 ob 18:54 izjavil:

Tsar Bomba | Will Putin Use The World's Largest Nuclear Bomb If The Ukraine Russia War Escalates?


Thirty years after the end of the Cold War, the United States and Russia are yet again standing face to face over Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has renewed nuclear threat to the West, possesses the biggest weapon ever made, the world's largest ever nuclear device - the Tsar Bomba or "the Emperor of Bombs".

On October 30, 1961, at the peak of the Cold War, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev sent an unmistakable warning to the West by testing the most powerful weapon mankind had ever seen. The Tsar Bomba was 2000 times more powerful than the American bomb dropped on Nagasaki and 10 times the total firepower used in the entire Second World War.

Can the course of the war in Ukraine today force Russia to resort to its deadly nuclear weapons? Will Putin use the world's largest nuclear bomb if tensions with the West over Ukraine escalate?

Takšno orožje sploh nebi smelo obstajati.

DarkSite je 24. sep 2022 ob 19:04 izjavil:

Kaj če je Putler lunatic. In mu je pač vseeno, če bo nuklearna ali ne. Itak je star. Pa si bo rekel why not.

Kdo v resnici odloča v RU o izstrelitvi. Vse te ljudi lahko on prej zamenja s svojimi.

Vglavnem najbolj me skrbi točka 4. Mislim, da ni tak človek, ki prizna poraz.

4) Putler raje uporabi taktično nuklearno orožje kot da prizna poraz in umik. NATO odgovori konvecionalno v UA. RU vojska poražena. RU odgovorijo z nuklearnim napadom na NATO cilj kot opozorilo. NATO odgovori s svojim nuklearnim ciljem v RU. RU vrnejo polni salvo. NATO vrne polni salvo. Mir :) za 1000let

Kvajeto je 24. sep 2022 ob 19:30 izjavil:

Geho je 24. sep 2022 ob 19:25 izjavil:

DarkSite je 24. sep 2022 ob 19:04 izjavil:

Kaj če je Putler lunatic. In mu je pač vseeno, če bo nuklearna ali ne. Itak je star. Pa si bo rekel why not.

Kdo v resnici odloča v RU o izstrelitvi. Vse te ljudi lahko on prej zamenja s svojimi.

Vglavnem najbolj me skrbi točka 4. Mislim, da ni tak človek, ki prizna poraz.

Odločajo on, obrambni minister in načelnik generalštaba. On in minister sta njegova, načelnika je pa par dni nazaj zamenjal... Tak da ima vse svoje.

Ampak če vrže kakršnokoli jedrsko orožje, bo odgovor dobil nazaj, če ne drugega zaradi onesnaženja, lahko pa se NATO vključi samo v zračni podpori in nabija ruse iz zraka. Lahko tudi Ukrajincem dajo jedrsko, da sami odgovorijo nazaj...
V najslabšem primeru, se jih totalno izolira in odklopi od interneta, hkrati pa prepreči tudi uporabo satelitov izven njihovega ozemlja.

sej obstajajo nukice ki imajo samo rušilno moč brez onesnaženja.

UkrFTW! je 24. sep 2022 ob 10:49 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 24. sep 2022 ob 10:07 izjavil:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/157...
Mobilized conscripts report they were handed half-rotten Kalashnikov assault rifles. They are, to put it mildly, shocked.

Malo olja preko bo kot nova.

DarkSite je 24. sep 2022 ob 18:19 izjavil:

Scenariji, kako se bo vojna koncala:

1) RU so se prisiljeni umakniti iz celotne UA. UA dobi nazaj celotno ozemlje vključno s Krimom. Mir.
2) RU mobilizirajo na mio vojakov in vojaske opreme iz sport billy torbice ter nato počasi osvajajo UA ozemlje. UA porazena. Mir.
3) UA zasede Kherson, Donbas, Luhansk. Mir
4) Putler raje uporabi taktično nuklearno orožje kot da prizna poraz in umik. NATO odgovori konvecionalno v UA. RU vojska poražena. RU odgovorijo z nuklearnim napadom na NATO cilj kot opozorilo. NATO odgovori s svojim nuklearnim ciljem v RU. RU vrnejo polni salvo. NATO vrne polni salvo. Mir :) za 1000let
5) Putlerja pospravijo doma. RU vojska se umakne iz UA. Mir.
6) Putlerja pospravijo doma in nasledi ga en mnogo hujši. Točka 4.
7) Drug scenarij ... ?

Kvajeto je 24. sep 2022 ob 20:42 izjavil:

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