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Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"
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Rambutan ::
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Ima Rusija kaj podobnega?
Rusija ne rabi tega, Rusija ne razprodaja drzavnega premozenja, Rusija nacionalizira premozenje tajkunov
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Pac-Man ::
Rusija ne rabi tega, Rusija ne razprodaja drzavnega premozenja, Rusija nacionalizira premozenje tajkunov
Ravno Rusija razdaja premoženje, ampak moraš biti blizu oblasti ali del nje, da imaš kaj od tega. Vklopi podnapise ali prevedi stran.
"Chaika". Film of the Anti-Corruption Foundation.
The Anti-Corruption Foundation presents a new investigation into the business and criminal ties of the sons of the Prosecutor General of Russia Artem and Igor Chaika https://chaika.navalny.com
Part 1. Greece. About Artyom Chaika's hotel in Greece, a villa with a view of Mount Athos, and the Prosecutor General's Office's connections with the Tsapkovsky organized criminal group
Part 2. Switzerland. About a residence visa, the house and accounts of the son of the prosecutor general in Switzerland. ( 11:06 )
Part 3. Irkutsk. About how Artem Chaika and his people participated in the raider seizure of the Verkhnelensky shipping company and stole 12 river-sea class ships from the state. ( 15:53 )
Part 4. Artem. Artem Chaika turned out to be the beneficiary of the Tyretsky salt mine, a crushed stone mining company, and the builder of a shopping complex in Mytishchi. ( 24:27 )
Part 5. Igor. How companies associated with the 27-year-old son of the Prosecutor General were able to receive state orders for 300 billion rubles. ( 31:47 )
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
sparklyslo ::
wtf?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu...
To je res slab poskus false flaga. Kater idiot bi poslal saboterje vec 10 km v notranjost Rusije, da bi se označeni z rumenimi trakovi slikali pred policijsko postajo?
Saboterji ponavadi svoje opravke izvajajo cim bolj nevidno, s cim manj oznakami,...
Aja pa povsem bleščeče čiste čevlje imajo, kar kaze na hudo akcijo pred slikanjem...
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mackilla ::
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Ima Rusija kaj podobnega?
Rusija ne rabi tega, Rusija ne razprodaja drzavnega premozenja, Rusija nacionalizira premozenje tajkunov
In kdo misliš,da razpolaga z nacionaliziranim premoženjem tajkunov,ki so padli v nemilost? Drugi tajkuni
D3mentni.sparklyslo je izjavil:
wtf?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu...
To je res slab poskus false flaga. Kater idiot bi poslal saboterje vec 10 km v notranjost Rusije, da bi se označeni z rumenimi trakovi slikali pred policijsko postajo?
Saboterji ponavadi svoje opravke izvajajo cim bolj nevidno, s cim manj oznakami,...
Ter seveda z zamaskiranimi obrazi
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: mackilla ()
Pac-Man ::
O Johnny boyu, ki je prebegnil k Rusom. Zelo dolgo in zelo usekano, ne vem koliko verjet.
https://twitter.com/krus_chiki/status/1...
Okay so, buckle up I have some wild stories about this guy. So, this guy, Johnny, showed up to Ukraine and joined the Legionnaires. From what I’ve heard, he was “eccentric” from the time he showed up, but it was attributed to the fact that Johnny boy wasn’t the sharpest crayon in the box.
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https://twitter.com/krus_chiki/status/1...
Okay so, buckle up I have some wild stories about this guy. So, this guy, Johnny, showed up to Ukraine and joined the Legionnaires. From what I’ve heard, he was “eccentric” from the time he showed up, but it was attributed to the fact that Johnny boy wasn’t the sharpest crayon in the box.
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The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
@ Brijansk, zadeva je resnična, gre pa za neonaciste, ki nimajo posebnih povezav z ukrajinsko vojsko niti rusko legijo. Soliranje.
https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/sta...
https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/sta...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
RedDrake ::
To so taki kalibri kot Jelinčič med SLO vojno.
Takšne je dobro zapreti, ker je od njih dostikrat več škode kot koristi.
Takšne je dobro zapreti, ker je od njih dostikrat več škode kot koristi.
Rambutan ::
sparklyslo je izjavil:
wtf?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu...
To je res slab poskus false flaga. Kater idiot bi poslal saboterje vec 10 km v notranjost Rusije, da bi se označeni z rumenimi trakovi slikali pred policijsko postajo?
Saboterji ponavadi svoje opravke izvajajo cim bolj nevidno, s cim manj oznakami,...
Aja pa povsem bleščeče čiste čevlje imajo, kar kaze na hudo akcijo pred slikanjem...
Tisti, ki je vztrajal pri obrambi Bakhmuta do zadnjega, zdaj pa rabi diverzijo da se preusmeri pozornost iz polomijade v Bakhmutu...
Zgodovina sprememb…
- predlagal izbris: connel ()
Unchancy ::
Tipično za ruske naciste, da se spravljajo na otroke:
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/mala...
Mala morska deklica čez noč dobila dodatek – rusko zastavo
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/mala...
Škoda časa za ta režimski forum.
Pobrišite post, iz bunkerja vas že kličejo.
Adijo mod Rdeči Kmeri.
Pobrišite post, iz bunkerja vas že kličejo.
Adijo mod Rdeči Kmeri.
Master_Yoda ::
sparklyslo je izjavil:
wtf?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu...
To je res slab poskus false flaga. Kater idiot bi poslal saboterje vec 10 km v notranjost Rusije, da bi se označeni z rumenimi trakovi slikali pred policijsko postajo?
Saboterji ponavadi svoje opravke izvajajo cim bolj nevidno, s cim manj oznakami,...
Aja pa povsem bleščeče čiste čevlje imajo, kar kaze na hudo akcijo pred slikanjem...
Tisti, ki je vztrajal pri obrambi Bakhmuta do zadnjega, zdaj pa rabi diverzijo da se preusmeri pozornost iz polomijade v Bakhmutu...
Kaksne polomijade ? Rusi ze nevemkoliko mesecev zelijo zavzeti mesto z 70000 prebivalci, je ze celo poruseno, trpijo grozne izgube, in ce se bodo ukrajinci umaknili bodo zavzeli rusevine. Much victory, very WOW ! Insert doge meme here.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
Cveto ::
Kaj bi rusi radi? Pripojitev Donetska, Luhanska, Krima (priznano), Hersona in Mariupola. Marionetno vlado v Kijevu. Marionetne (rusiji naklonjene) vlade na Poljskem, v Belorusiji (je že), Na češkem, slovaškem, madžarskem, romuniji, bolgariji in pribaltskih državah. Nevtralno (beri rusom naklonjeno) Finsko. Umik NATA iz evropa, demilitarizirano Nemčijo in rdečo Francijo.
Pac-Man ::
Kaj bi rusi radi?
Kar jim uspe dobit.
Head of RT discusses Russia's goals
Še malo o Brijansku
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/16...
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These groups doing the Bryansk raids have some semi-autonomy within and around the Ukrainian military, and are mostly made up of far-right and neo-Nazi nutjobs who are crazy enough to do these (mostly symbolic) actions within Russia. It isn't terribly complicated.
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As for what these guys actually did over in Bryansk, I have no clue, the truth there is surely being distorted by the Kremlin. But we've already seen Ukrainian saboteur raids into Bryansk months ago, leading to four deaths on the Ukrainian side.
And no, Kapustin/Nikitin and RDK aren't FSB assets. Unless the Ukrainian military is fine with entrusting the location of a HIMARS to the FSB.
December 2022, Korčinski je nominalno ukrajinski nacionalist, ampak zna bit na vezi s kako obveščevalno službo v Rusiji. Vedno je zraven in vedno potegne najbolj butasto potezo.
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/16...
Some of the members of this sabotage group were very tight with the Bratstvo movement and its founder, Dmytro Korchinsky. In the early days of the war he formed the St. Mary's Battalion (famously self-described as the "Christian Taliban"), and more recently the Bratstvo Battalion
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Bratstvo is a far-right movement that operates military, political, and civic wings -- basically a smaller (but older) Azov.
Much like Azov, they have virtually no electoral support, but they have an outsized influence in other facets of the public sphere.
Dmytro Korchynsky @ Wikipedia
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From 1987 to 1988, Korchynsky was a member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.
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Under his leadership, UNSO took part in several armed conflicts on the territory of the former Soviet Union, including Transnistria, Abkhazia and Chechnya.[1] In 1992, as a volunteer, he left for Transnistria. In 1996 Korchynsky participated in the Chechen war. Next year he was completely ousted from the nationalist movement in Ukraine.
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On 31 March 2004, members of Bratstvo poured glue and then water onto George Soros during the forum among human rights organizations in Kyiv "Human rights at elections".[10] In summer of 2004 in Kerch Bratstvo organized a strike at the Zaliv Shipbuilding yard, co-owner of which was David Zhvania, a member of Our Ukraine.[11][12]
In the fall of 2004, Korchynsky participated in the presidential elections. After losing in the first round, Korchynsky supported pro-Russian candidate Viktor Yanukovych.[4] After Viktor Yushchenko was announced a winner, Korchynsky joined the opposition.[4][13]
In 2005, the Russian Putinist youth organisation Nashi invited Korchynsky to a youth summer camp to teach "how to prevent public disturbances" and how to confront the threat of an Orange Revolution reprisal in Russia.[14][15] In 2013 during the Euromaidan protests, 300 members of the Bratstvo organization led by Korchynsky attacked the presidential administration building (of then president Viktor Yanukovych).[16] He then became a fugitive on the international wanted list of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for his role in inciting riots during the Euromaidan-related 1 December 2013 Euromaidan riots.[17] On 2 January 2013, during the program "Freedom of Speech" on ICTV, Serhiy Sobolev claimed that Korchynsky cooperates with Viktor Medvedchuk.[18]
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The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Rambutan ::
Kaj bi rusi radi? Pripojitev Donetska, Luhanska, Krima (priznano), Hersona in Mariupola. Marionetno vlado v Kijevu. Marionetne (rusiji naklonjene) vlade na Poljskem, v Belorusiji (je že), Na češkem, slovaškem, madžarskem, romuniji, bolgariji in pribaltskih državah. Nevtralno (beri rusom naklonjeno) Finsko. Umik NATA iz evropa, demilitarizirano Nemčijo in rdečo Francijo.
Marca so bile ruske zahteve take:
https://twitter.com/upholdreality/statu...
Verjetno so se ruske zahteve zdaj ze razsirile. Trenutne zahteve za zacetek pogajanj pa so:
"Russia is ready to negotiate on the peaceful implementation of its goals, other scenarios will not even be considered," - Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN, V.Nebenzia
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine."
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TESKAn ::
Jep, ukrajinci so bili totalni naciji, rusi pa prinašajo mir in prosperiteto:
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
Bolibri ::
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Ima Rusija kaj podobnega?
Rusija ne rabi tega, Rusija ne razprodaja drzavnega premozenja, Rusija nacionalizira premozenje tajkunov
Moraš imeti premoženje, da ga lahko razprodajaš. Njihovo vukojebino nihče niti zastonj ne bi hotel.
Pac-Man ::
Marca so bile ruske zahteve take:
https://twitter.com/upholdreality/statu...
Če bi jih izpolnili, bi maja zavzeli razorožen Kijiv. Pred vojno zahteve niso bile naslovljene na Ukrajino, temveč na NATO/ZDA, tole je prišlo ven, ko so ugotovili, da so krepko stopili v drek.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Aliexpress očitno ne bo več prodajal dronov v Rusijo, Dji aplikacije niso več na voljo v app store za Ukrajino & Rusijo, nit:
https://twitter.com/faineg/status/16313...
As Sam Bendett just informed me, Russian Telegram channels are claiming that DJI drones and other Chinese small drone models are suddenly no longer available for Russian customers on AliExpress.
Per this Russian account, DJI products can no longer be sold on AliExpress to Russians and the DJI apps are gone from the Russian and Ukrainian App Store. 
Zna bit vpliv Partije.
https://twitter.com/faineg/status/16313...
As Sam Bendett just informed me, Russian Telegram channels are claiming that DJI drones and other Chinese small drone models are suddenly no longer available for Russian customers on AliExpress.
Zna bit vpliv Partije.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
gozdar1 ::
Kaj bi rusi radi? Pripojitev Donetska, Luhanska, Krima (priznano), Hersona in Mariupola. Marionetno vlado v Kijevu. Marionetne (rusiji naklonjene) vlade na Poljskem, v Belorusiji (je že), Na češkem, slovaškem, madžarskem, romuniji, bolgariji in pribaltskih državah. Nevtralno (beri rusom naklonjeno) Finsko. Umik NATA iz evropa, demilitarizirano Nemčijo in rdečo Francijo.
Marca so bile ruske zahteve take:
https://twitter.com/upholdreality/statu...
Verjetno so se ruske zahteve zdaj ze razsirile. Trenutne zahteve za zacetek pogajanj pa so:
"Russia is ready to negotiate on the peaceful implementation of its goals, other scenarios will not even be considered," - Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN, V.Nebenzia
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine."
Torej nič drugače kot vseh 9 leti = ukrajina je ruska gubernija, brez lastne zunanje politike. Poleg tega se večina da interpretirat v odvisnoti od trenutnih potreb.
fur80 ::
Dober intervju z Miho Lamprehtom, dopisnikom iz Moskve med letom 1989 in 1996. Dober poznavalec Rusije, sedaj je tudi prevedel knjigo Ane Politkovske.
V glavnem vsi dopisniki iz Rusije, Lampreht, Vlasta Jeseničnik,... govorijo kak monstrum, psihopat in diktator je Putin. Rusofili nam pa pošiljajo ekonomista Jožeta P Damjana.
https://www.rtvslo.si/rtv365/arhiv/1749...
Novinarka ubita pod Putinim, kot Nemec,.. Lampreht tudi pove, da vsak, ki ga je poznal, ki je bil samo malo konkurent Putinu ali njegovim medijem, je bil umorjen, zaprt ali je pobegnil v tujino.
Ana Stepanovna Politkovska (rojena Mazepa) [ána stepánovna politkóvska / mazépa] (rusko ???? ?????????? ???????????? / ??????), ruska novinarka in borka za človekove pravice, * 30. avgust 1958, New York, ZDA, + 7. oktober 2006, Moskva, Rusija.
Politkovska, preiskovalna novinarka in borka za človekove pravice, je znana predvsem po svojih reportažah iz Čečenije, dežele, kjer so v tistem času izginjali številni novinarji in humanitarni delavci.
Ana Politkovska @ Wikipedia
Lampreht tudi pove, da če je 20% Rusov proti vojni v takšnem enoumju kot je Rusija, je to izredno veliko.
Meni je čudno, da tako dobre dopisnike, ki imamo na RTV, da ne dobijo več prostora na MMC, da bi rusofili malo videli kaj hvalijo in kaj podpirajo.
V glavnem vsi dopisniki iz Rusije, Lampreht, Vlasta Jeseničnik,... govorijo kak monstrum, psihopat in diktator je Putin. Rusofili nam pa pošiljajo ekonomista Jožeta P Damjana.
https://www.rtvslo.si/rtv365/arhiv/1749...
Novinarka ubita pod Putinim, kot Nemec,.. Lampreht tudi pove, da vsak, ki ga je poznal, ki je bil samo malo konkurent Putinu ali njegovim medijem, je bil umorjen, zaprt ali je pobegnil v tujino.
Ana Stepanovna Politkovska (rojena Mazepa) [ána stepánovna politkóvska / mazépa] (rusko ???? ?????????? ???????????? / ??????), ruska novinarka in borka za človekove pravice, * 30. avgust 1958, New York, ZDA, + 7. oktober 2006, Moskva, Rusija.
Politkovska, preiskovalna novinarka in borka za človekove pravice, je znana predvsem po svojih reportažah iz Čečenije, dežele, kjer so v tistem času izginjali številni novinarji in humanitarni delavci.
Ana Politkovska @ Wikipedia
Lampreht tudi pove, da če je 20% Rusov proti vojni v takšnem enoumju kot je Rusija, je to izredno veliko.
Meni je čudno, da tako dobre dopisnike, ki imamo na RTV, da ne dobijo več prostora na MMC, da bi rusofili malo videli kaj hvalijo in kaj podpirajo.
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Lesoto ::
Marca so bile ruske zahteve take:
https://twitter.com/upholdreality/statu...
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Skratka, ruske zahteve so bile, da Ukrajinci pustijo Donetsk, Lugansk in Krim Rusiji ter se demilitizirajo, da bi jih Rusi lahko okupirali čez nekaj let.
Kater politik v Ukrajini bi lahko kaj takega podpisal? Nobeden.
Rusija bo poražena, po razpadu Rusije dobi Ukrajina še Belgorod in Rostov on Don.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Lesoto ()
Emajl101 ::
https://qr.ae/prZIVZ
Severna koreja 2.0
Chinese tourists wanna come back to the Motherland!
However, it's not that easy anymore. The new anti capitalist legislative roadblocks demand that foreigners come only in groups pre-screened by KGB operatives in the paranoid tradition of the Soviet Union.
The group must be accompanied by a fluent Russian speaking tour guide with a license to kill who agrees to spy on tourists and report any dubious activities to Lyubyanka.
This is especially disconcerting to residents of Moscow who had Chinese language added to all information signs in the city, and then to their horror all the Chinese tourists have suddenly disappeared.
According to the state news agency RIA, Li Chuanyue, who visited Russia for the first time, noted happy smiley people.
"I swear they are like us - communists deep in their hearts! Moscow architecture and infrastructure look like Shanghai in 1978. There's so much we can do after Russia becomes 24th province of China!"
Nostalgia for the future is what brought Li to our country to travel.
"The second reason is the special military operation in Ukraine that Putin wages on behalf of Chairman Xi to weaken the West.
"I want to show my gratitude to the ordinary Russian people who have sacrificed prosperity and future of their children for the sake of People's Republic of China! This shows that there's a truly special relationship between the metropole and colony!"
Severna koreja 2.0
Lesoto ::
lohk se sam smeješ
'Kaj počne zračna obramba?' Dron pristal na ruskem A-50 in mirno odletel
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/kaj-...
Zjutraj je rusko radarsko letalo za zgodnje opozarjanje A-50U poletelo z letališča Mačulišči pri Minsku. Vendar lahko tudi ne bi, če bi dron beloruske opozicije na vrhu njegove antene detoniral eksploziv. Kljub temu, da letalo ni bilo uničeno, pa gre za še en udarec ruski protiletalski obrambi, ki si je privoščila novega v seriji spodrsljajev od začetka vojne. Tudi v Rusiji se sprašujejo, kaj počne zračna obramba.
'Kaj počne zračna obramba?' Dron pristal na ruskem A-50 in mirno odletel
https://www.24ur.com/novice/tujina/kaj-...
Zjutraj je rusko radarsko letalo za zgodnje opozarjanje A-50U poletelo z letališča Mačulišči pri Minsku. Vendar lahko tudi ne bi, če bi dron beloruske opozicije na vrhu njegove antene detoniral eksploziv. Kljub temu, da letalo ni bilo uničeno, pa gre za še en udarec ruski protiletalski obrambi, ki si je privoščila novega v seriji spodrsljajev od začetka vojne. Tudi v Rusiji se sprašujejo, kaj počne zračna obramba.
Kayzon ::
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
Rambutan ::
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
To so samo predpogoji za zacetek pogajanj, na pogajanjih bodo verjetno zahteval najmanj se prikljucitev 4ih oblasti. Pa itak o pogajanjih odlocajo sponzorji cez luzo, se mi zdi da bomo prej docakali vojno s Kitajsko kot mir v Ukrajini...
Zgodovina sprememb…
- predlagal izbris: connel ()
Bolibri ::
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
To so samo predpogoji za zacetek pogajanj, na pogajanjih bodo verjetno zahteval najmanj se prikljucitev 4ih oblasti. Pa itak o pogajanjih odlocajo sponzorji cez luzo, se mi zdi da bomo prej docakali vojno s Kitajsko kot mir v Ukrajini...
Ja, ruski fašisti sami od sebe ne bodo nehali uganjati fašizma v Ukrajini.
Kayzon ::
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
To so samo predpogoji za zacetek pogajanj, na pogajanjih bodo verjetno zahteval najmanj se prikljucitev 4ih oblasti. Pa itak o pogajanjih odlocajo sponzorji cez luzo, se mi zdi da bomo prej docakali vojno s Kitajsko kot mir v Ukrajini...
Ljudje se ne zavedajo da Rusija ne more zgubiti te vojne,tako da prej se konca bolje je za vse.
fur80 ::
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
To so samo predpogoji za zacetek pogajanj, na pogajanjih bodo verjetno zahteval najmanj se prikljucitev 4ih oblasti. Pa itak o pogajanjih odlocajo sponzorji cez luzo, se mi zdi da bomo prej docakali vojno s Kitajsko kot mir v Ukrajini...
Ljudje se ne zavedajo da Rusija ne more zgubiti te vojne,tako da prej se konca bolje je za vse.
Lahko to malo bolje razložiš zakaj ne?
mackilla ::
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
To so samo predpogoji za zacetek pogajanj, na pogajanjih bodo verjetno zahteval najmanj se prikljucitev 4ih oblasti. Pa itak o pogajanjih odlocajo sponzorji cez luzo, se mi zdi da bomo prej docakali vojno s Kitajsko kot mir v Ukrajini...
No vidiš,da znaš
Vojna bo trajala še vsaj par let,na pogajanja pa lahko pozabiš. Če Ukrajinci izgubijo vojno izgubijo tudi državo. Če Rusi izgubijo vojno pa odletijo car in njegova falanga. Pristanek na ruske zadeve je konec Ukrajine. Na drugi strani pa Putin ne more popustiti na zahtevah,ker je folk z svojo retardirano propagando spravil v histerijo. Z fake referendumi je Putin zaprl vsa vrata in okna za pogajanja. Sebi in Ukrajincem. Pac-Man ::
Zanimiv pogled
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/163...
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/163...
If the "peace loving" Europeans would have got their way, then Ukraine wouldn't have received air defense to protect its infrastructure and 10,000s of Ukrainians would have frozen to death.
All those "peace loving" people are genocide supporting fascists or morons (often both).
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Poldi112 ::
Comandante je izjavil:
Saj je Biden lepo povedal, da Rusom ne bodo dovolili zmagati. Pa ja ne mislite, da se bodo ZDA pustile osmesiti?
Seveda ne, kdo pa bi jih še jemal resno, če bi pustili rusom zmagati.
Tako kot so talibanom v Afganistanu, pa Assadu/rusom v Siriji, vietnamcem, kitajcem, ...
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Bolibri ::
Lesoto ::
Tidule ::
"We clarify: peace negotiations only if Ukraine accepts the goals of the SMO, namely:
- denazification;
- demilitarization;
- cessation of shelling of Donbass;
- non-aligned status of Ukraine.
To pa niso neke hude zahteve,upam da se cim prej spametujejo ukrajinci.
Rofl, to zate niso hude zahteve? Ukrajina naj bi se prostovoljno odpovedal orozju, pri cemer meji na drzavo, ki je jasno pokazala da ne spostuje nikakrsnega mednarodnega dogovora in je pripravljena z orozjem sirit svoje ozemlje?
Lesoto ::
boljš ko v kakem filmu - kaj je blo to.. iz 100 metrov
Tanks of the 53rd Brigade of the Ukrainian Ground Forces meet Russian military column
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/sta...
Tanks of the 53rd Brigade of the Ukrainian Ground Forces meet Russian military column
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/sta...
mackilla ::
Comandante je izjavil:
Saj je Biden lepo povedal, da Rusom ne bodo dovolili zmagati. Pa ja ne mislite, da se bodo ZDA pustile osmesiti?
Seveda ne, kdo pa bi jih še jemal resno, če bi pustili rusom zmagati.
Tako kot so talibanom v Afganistanu, pa Assadu/rusom v Siriji, vietnamcem, kitajcem, ...
Ne moreš primerjati Afganistana in Vietnama z Ukrajino. Obe državi sta se sesuli po odhodu Ameriške vojske. Ukrajina pa še vedno stoji brez ameriške prisotnosti. Tu bodo Američani investirali na polno
Take priložnosti ne izpustiš iz rok Sicer so talibani premagali Ruse z ameriško pomočjo ampak to ti je verjetno boleča tema.boljš ko v kakem filmu - kaj je blo to.. iz 100 metrov
Tanks of the 53rd Brigade of the Ukrainian Ground Forces meet Russian military column
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/sta...
Russian Driver: is that our tank ?
Russian commander: No just drive.
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Lesoto ::
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/...
Chinese Aliexpress blocked the sale of DJI and Autel drones for customers from Russia, and those already purchased are limited in functionality.
DJI also removed drone control apps from the Russian AppStore.
Chinese Aliexpress blocked the sale of DJI and Autel drones for customers from Russia, and those already purchased are limited in functionality.
DJI also removed drone control apps from the Russian AppStore.
Pac-Man ::
Nova kolumna & nit s strani Matjaža Grudna. Par dni nazaj je bil tule prilepljen njegov odličen sestavek o srečanju s Putinom januarja 2000.
https://vecer.com/pogledi/na-zahodu-nic...
med guglanjem sem našel tale kontemporarni zapis o obisku
https://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/X2...
https://twitter.com/MGruden/status/1630...
"Putin je vzpostavil režim, ki neprestano generira konflikte, ker bi brez njih propadel. V njegovi politični paradigmi je vojna sredstvo za obrambo pred grožnjo, ki jo povzroča mir." Nit o tem, zakaj odgovarjam na javno pismo Ustavite vojno v Ukrajini.
https://vecer.com/pogledi/na-zahodu-nic...
Zato, ker so uvodne izjave o "vsestranski podpori v nesporni pravici do obrambe" in Ukrajini kot "žrtvi ruske agresije, ki je ni mogoče upravičiti", zgolj alibi za plasiranje predlogov in idej, ki so v očitnem neskladju s plemenitimi načeli iz uvoda.
Zato, ker gre za zelo minimalistično interpretacijo "vsestranskosti" v podpori Ukrajine v "njeni nesporni pravici do obrambe", saj ta očitno ne vkljucuje učinkovite vojaške pomoči, ki jo Ukrajina nujno potrebuje, da se ubrani pred "agresijo, ki je ni mogoče upravičiti".
Zato, ker Rusija, razen v profilaktičnem uvodu, nikjer ne nastopa kot agresor, ampak zgolj kot partner v iskanju miru in postavljanju nove varnostne arhitekture, ki bo morala upoštevati tudi njene, takšne ali drugačne interese. To je relativizacija odgovornosti za agresijo.
Zato, ker pismo v "zavezništvo za prekinitev bojev, za zaustavitev nadaljnjega oboroževanja in za začetek pogajanj" vabi vse, razen Ukrajine. V mirovni pobudi, ki naj konča "agresijo, ki je ni mogoče upravičiti", je očitno prostor za agresorja, ne pa tudi za njegovo žrtev.
Zato, ker zahteva po zmanjšanju oboroževanja ni pot do miru, ampak račun brez Kremlja. Avtorji pisma očitno verjamejo, da bi zmanjšanje pomoči Ukrajino prisililo v pogajanja, nikjer pa ni pojasnjeno, zakaj naj bi za pogajalsko mizo z vojaško oslabljeno Ukrajino sedel tudi Putin.
Zato, ker pismo, morda nevede ali nehote, povzema nekatere ključne oporne točke kremeljske propagande. V tretjem odstavku Ukrajina kar naenkrat ni več žrtev ruske agresije, ampak žrtev "posredniške vojne med Rusijo in ZDA".
Zato, ker romantična nostalgija po dobrih starih časih ne more biti temelj za graditev trajne varnosti in stabilnosti v današnji Evropi in svetu in zato, ker je "takšna ali drugačna" Rusija, zelo drugačna od Sovjetske zveze, ki jo je poznal Willy Brandt.
Zato, ker miru ne bo, dokler bomo na Putina naivno projicirali lastnosti, ki jih trenutni ruski predsednik ne premore in prezira, in dokler bomo iskali razloge za vojno vsepovsod in pri vseh, razen pri njegovem fašistoidnem imperializmu.
Zato, ker s hranjenjem krokodila v upanju, da nas bo požrl zadnje, ne moremo ustvarjati nove varnostne arhitekture, ki bi bila vredna papirja, na katerem bi jo zapisali.
Zato, ker se Ukrajina ne bori le za svoje preživetje, ampak tudi za našo varnost. Zato bi bilo pametno in prav, da ji pomagamo po najboljših močeh, ne pa da ji v njenem narodnoosvobodilnem boju proti tujemu okupatorju mečemo polena pod noge, pa čeprav z najboljšimi nameni.
https://vecer.com/pogledi/na-zahodu-nic...
med guglanjem sem našel tale kontemporarni zapis o obisku
https://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/X2...
https://twitter.com/MGruden/status/1630...
"Putin je vzpostavil režim, ki neprestano generira konflikte, ker bi brez njih propadel. V njegovi politični paradigmi je vojna sredstvo za obrambo pred grožnjo, ki jo povzroča mir." Nit o tem, zakaj odgovarjam na javno pismo Ustavite vojno v Ukrajini.
https://vecer.com/pogledi/na-zahodu-nic...
Zato, ker so uvodne izjave o "vsestranski podpori v nesporni pravici do obrambe" in Ukrajini kot "žrtvi ruske agresije, ki je ni mogoče upravičiti", zgolj alibi za plasiranje predlogov in idej, ki so v očitnem neskladju s plemenitimi načeli iz uvoda.
Zato, ker gre za zelo minimalistično interpretacijo "vsestranskosti" v podpori Ukrajine v "njeni nesporni pravici do obrambe", saj ta očitno ne vkljucuje učinkovite vojaške pomoči, ki jo Ukrajina nujno potrebuje, da se ubrani pred "agresijo, ki je ni mogoče upravičiti".
Zato, ker Rusija, razen v profilaktičnem uvodu, nikjer ne nastopa kot agresor, ampak zgolj kot partner v iskanju miru in postavljanju nove varnostne arhitekture, ki bo morala upoštevati tudi njene, takšne ali drugačne interese. To je relativizacija odgovornosti za agresijo.
Zato, ker pismo v "zavezništvo za prekinitev bojev, za zaustavitev nadaljnjega oboroževanja in za začetek pogajanj" vabi vse, razen Ukrajine. V mirovni pobudi, ki naj konča "agresijo, ki je ni mogoče upravičiti", je očitno prostor za agresorja, ne pa tudi za njegovo žrtev.
Zato, ker zahteva po zmanjšanju oboroževanja ni pot do miru, ampak račun brez Kremlja. Avtorji pisma očitno verjamejo, da bi zmanjšanje pomoči Ukrajino prisililo v pogajanja, nikjer pa ni pojasnjeno, zakaj naj bi za pogajalsko mizo z vojaško oslabljeno Ukrajino sedel tudi Putin.
Zato, ker pismo, morda nevede ali nehote, povzema nekatere ključne oporne točke kremeljske propagande. V tretjem odstavku Ukrajina kar naenkrat ni več žrtev ruske agresije, ampak žrtev "posredniške vojne med Rusijo in ZDA".
Zato, ker romantična nostalgija po dobrih starih časih ne more biti temelj za graditev trajne varnosti in stabilnosti v današnji Evropi in svetu in zato, ker je "takšna ali drugačna" Rusija, zelo drugačna od Sovjetske zveze, ki jo je poznal Willy Brandt.
Zato, ker miru ne bo, dokler bomo na Putina naivno projicirali lastnosti, ki jih trenutni ruski predsednik ne premore in prezira, in dokler bomo iskali razloge za vojno vsepovsod in pri vseh, razen pri njegovem fašistoidnem imperializmu.
Zato, ker s hranjenjem krokodila v upanju, da nas bo požrl zadnje, ne moremo ustvarjati nove varnostne arhitekture, ki bi bila vredna papirja, na katerem bi jo zapisali.
Zato, ker se Ukrajina ne bori le za svoje preživetje, ampak tudi za našo varnost. Zato bi bilo pametno in prav, da ji pomagamo po najboljših močeh, ne pa da ji v njenem narodnoosvobodilnem boju proti tujemu okupatorju mečemo polena pod noge, pa čeprav z najboljšimi nameni.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Povsem navadna prebivalka Tennesseeja, ki non stop propagira rusko pozicijo.
https://twitter.com/dana916
https://twitter.com/dana916
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Comandante ::
Povsem navadna prebivalka Tennesseeja, ki non stop propagira rusko pozicijo.
https://twitter.com/dana916
Nic nenavadnega, Tennessee bi osebno uvrstil na top 5 najbolj zahojenih zveznih drzav. Tam med Alabamo in Arkansas. To so te flyover Trump drzave, kjer ni nic spornega, ce ozenis sestricno.
Gre pa najbrz vseeno za placano agitatorko, glede na to da so posti iz Kremeljskega ucbenika. Tudi profil ustreza, ponavadi placujejo neumne reveze.
fur80 ::
boljš ko v kakem filmu - kaj je blo to.. iz 100 metrov
Tanks of the 53rd Brigade of the Ukrainian Ground Forces meet Russian military column
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/sta...
Kaj jim bodo šele z kakimi Leopardi 2 delali!
Pac-Man ::
https://twitter.com/SasoDolenc/status/1...
Veleposlaniki evropskih držav v Sloveniji, tudi madžarski in hrvaški, z močnim in jasnim pismom odgovarjajo na nedavni mirovniški poziv Kučana in sopodpisnikov.
https://www.delo.si/mnenja/gostujoce-pe...
Veleposlaniki evropskih držav v Sloveniji, tudi madžarski in hrvaški, z močnim in jasnim pismom odgovarjajo na nedavni mirovniški poziv Kučana in sopodpisnikov.
https://www.delo.si/mnenja/gostujoce-pe...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Chalky ::
#BREAKING White House: U.S. Will announce a new military aid package for Ukraine on Friday
https://twitter.com/MarketRebels/status...
V petek nov vojaški paket pomoči. Bo pa zanimivo kako močno vojaško ofenzivo bodo zgradili Američani. Zaenkrat se govori o približno 700+ tankov + preko 1000 kosov ostalega težkega orožja.
https://twitter.com/MarketRebels/status...
V petek nov vojaški paket pomoči. Bo pa zanimivo kako močno vojaško ofenzivo bodo zgradili Američani. Zaenkrat se govori o približno 700+ tankov + preko 1000 kosov ostalega težkega orožja.
Comandante ::
Pac-Man ::
Ne ravno direktno povezano
The Rise of the Liberal Hawks
...
In the past few years, however, these views have started to change. From 2021 to 2022, the share of Republicans who had “a great deal” or “quite a lot of confidence” in the military fell from 81 to 71 percent, whereas for Democrats, the number increased from 63 to 67 percent—cutting the gap from 18 points to four. (...) Why has this happened? Two big reasons are Trump and Ukraine.
...
It’s true that the military has moved left, and not just because of Trump. (...) This shouldn’t be so surprising. The military is the epitome of big government, with egalitarian wages, socialized medicine, and the best government-run child-care system in the country. No wonder General Wesley Clark joked that it’s “the purest application of socialism there is.” Now progressives are expressing a new gratitude for an institution that understands the value of diversity, cares about the rule of law, and was willing to stand up to Trump when the future of democracy was most in danger. At a time of rampant conspiracy theories like QAnon, liberals appreciate that the military operates in a world of tangible threats and complex logistics and has a basic respect for reality. George Orwell said people often cling to falsehoods until the lie slams into the truth, “usually on a battlefield.”
Then came Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. No foreign conflict since the Spanish Civil War has so captured the imagination of the left. Nearly a century ago, many progressives saw Spain as a pure fight between democracy and fascism. Ernest Hemingway’s novel For Whom the Bell Tolls and Pablo Picasso’s painting Guernica captured the horror at fascist brutality. About 3,000 Americans traveled to Spain to fight in the international brigades. Today, many on the left see Ukraine as another contest between fascism and democracy, and that rare thing: a good war. Thousands of Americans have gone to join the struggle.
...
In the end, the U.S. military is the world’s anti-fascist insurance policy. The insurance premiums may be outlandish. And most of the time we don’t need the policy. Until one day we do. If you need to ship M777 howitzers to Ukraine, the military-industrial complex has its uses.
In 1967, King was right to see Vietnam as a catastrophe for America, at home and abroad. “If America’s soul becomes totally poisoned, part of the autopsy must read: Vietnam.” But today we face a different world, and a stark choice. Zelensky, Ukrainian progressives, and the European Union? Or Putin, Trump, and Tucker Carlson? The left picked the right side.
The Rise of the Liberal Hawks
...
In the past few years, however, these views have started to change. From 2021 to 2022, the share of Republicans who had “a great deal” or “quite a lot of confidence” in the military fell from 81 to 71 percent, whereas for Democrats, the number increased from 63 to 67 percent—cutting the gap from 18 points to four. (...) Why has this happened? Two big reasons are Trump and Ukraine.
...
It’s true that the military has moved left, and not just because of Trump. (...) This shouldn’t be so surprising. The military is the epitome of big government, with egalitarian wages, socialized medicine, and the best government-run child-care system in the country. No wonder General Wesley Clark joked that it’s “the purest application of socialism there is.” Now progressives are expressing a new gratitude for an institution that understands the value of diversity, cares about the rule of law, and was willing to stand up to Trump when the future of democracy was most in danger. At a time of rampant conspiracy theories like QAnon, liberals appreciate that the military operates in a world of tangible threats and complex logistics and has a basic respect for reality. George Orwell said people often cling to falsehoods until the lie slams into the truth, “usually on a battlefield.”
Then came Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. No foreign conflict since the Spanish Civil War has so captured the imagination of the left. Nearly a century ago, many progressives saw Spain as a pure fight between democracy and fascism. Ernest Hemingway’s novel For Whom the Bell Tolls and Pablo Picasso’s painting Guernica captured the horror at fascist brutality. About 3,000 Americans traveled to Spain to fight in the international brigades. Today, many on the left see Ukraine as another contest between fascism and democracy, and that rare thing: a good war. Thousands of Americans have gone to join the struggle.
...
In the end, the U.S. military is the world’s anti-fascist insurance policy. The insurance premiums may be outlandish. And most of the time we don’t need the policy. Until one day we do. If you need to ship M777 howitzers to Ukraine, the military-industrial complex has its uses.
In 1967, King was right to see Vietnam as a catastrophe for America, at home and abroad. “If America’s soul becomes totally poisoned, part of the autopsy must read: Vietnam.” But today we face a different world, and a stark choice. Zelensky, Ukrainian progressives, and the European Union? Or Putin, Trump, and Tucker Carlson? The left picked the right side.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Ukrajinska filmska kritičarka
https://twitter.com/rynkrynk/status/163...
I especially love the whole “can they get their country back?” shtick. It *is* their country.
Russia wasn’t suddenly invaded by an alien force that took power overnight and drastically changed the way things were run.
Like it or not, the current political situation in Russia is a direct result of decades’ worth of unchecked chauvinism, civic irresponsibility and corruption. Can one person (or a dozen) suddenly change all that? Obviously not. But it’s equally insane to expect some all-powerful miracle-worker to fly in on a damn blue helicopter and magic all the bad shit away, leaving a democratic, healthy society for the “exiled free thinkers” to return to. C’mon.
https://twitter.com/rynkrynk/status/163...
I especially love the whole “can they get their country back?” shtick. It *is* their country.
Like it or not, the current political situation in Russia is a direct result of decades’ worth of unchecked chauvinism, civic irresponsibility and corruption. Can one person (or a dozen) suddenly change all that? Obviously not. But it’s equally insane to expect some all-powerful miracle-worker to fly in on a damn blue helicopter and magic all the bad shit away, leaving a democratic, healthy society for the “exiled free thinkers” to return to. C’mon.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Vzhodni Bahmut. Skozi mesto teče reka Bahmutovka in moste čez njo trenutno rušijo.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MikaelValter...
https://mobile.twitter.com/MikaelValter...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
fulk ::
https://365.rtvslo.si/arhiv/porocila/17...
Nemški cuck, pravi, da je pot do miru večje oboroževanje.
Heh. Sem mislu, da potem ko mu je ZDA razstrelila več miljardno investicijo bo zahteval čimprejšnja pogajanja in ne oboroževanje.
Kako zelo malo zahodnih sil se zavzema za pogajanja ne?
Zadeva okoli te vojne postaja tak FUBAR, da počasi že mislim, če ni vse skupaj nek psyop.
Še vedno mi ni nihče razložil kaj je senator Obama delal v ukrajini 2005.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Črnc iz chichaga je 7 mesecev po izvolitvi bil poslan v Ukrajino. Kasneje je postal predsednik ZDA za dva mandata in pod njegovim režimom se je konflikt začel. Huh. Naključje, seveda.
Ni pomembno kaj je delal kot predsednik. Pomembno vprašanje je, kdo ga je takrat poslal?
Nemški cuck, pravi, da je pot do miru večje oboroževanje.
Heh. Sem mislu, da potem ko mu je ZDA razstrelila več miljardno investicijo bo zahteval čimprejšnja pogajanja in ne oboroževanje.
Kako zelo malo zahodnih sil se zavzema za pogajanja ne?
Zadeva okoli te vojne postaja tak FUBAR, da počasi že mislim, če ni vse skupaj nek psyop.
Še vedno mi ni nihče razložil kaj je senator Obama delal v ukrajini 2005.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
Obama traveled to Ukraine with Sen. Dick Lugar in 2005 just seven months after he became a senator, touring surplus weapons stockpiles
Črnc iz chichaga je 7 mesecev po izvolitvi bil poslan v Ukrajino. Kasneje je postal predsednik ZDA za dva mandata in pod njegovim režimom se je konflikt začel. Huh. Naključje, seveda.
Ni pomembno kaj je delal kot predsednik. Pomembno vprašanje je, kdo ga je takrat poslal?
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