Global warming

Link ti ne dela, verjetno si mislil na Permian extinction event.
Ne vem, kaj naj bi slabo razumljen dogodek izpred 250 miljonov let dokazoval v zvezi AGW.

Pinpointing the exact cause or causes of the Permian-Triassic extinction event is difficult, mostly because the catastrophe occurred over 250 million years ago, and since then much of the evidence that would have pointed to the cause has been destroyed or is concealed deep within the Earth under many layers of rock. The sea floor is also completely recycled every 200 million years by the ongoing process of plate tectonics and seafloor spreading, leaving no useful indications beneath the ocean.

zmaugy je 26. mar 2019 ob 22:10 izjavil:

Najbolj verjeten scenarij je pobegli efekt toplogrednih plinov.

Nivo dokazov je primeren za AGW teorijo. Tam je podobno.

CO2 ponavadi sledi temperaturi in ne obratno. Par sto miljonov let prej je bila ledena doba imenovana Snowball earth pri 8000 ppm



Sam presodi korelacijo med CO2 in temperaturo.

Tole z vulkani je malo bosa. Ko imamo veliko vulkansko aktivnost, temperature padejo ker saje zastrejo sonce. Primerov iz zgodovine je dosti. Npr

1815 leto brez poletja - izbruh Krakatoe

Izbruh Ilopanga v 6.stol - 10 let mraza, kuge in lakote v Konstantinoplu
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-...

Sonce nima veze?

Leif je 26. mar 2019 ob 23:35 izjavil:

Tole z vulkani je malo bosa. Ko imamo veliko vulkansko aktivnost, temperature padejo ker saje zastrejo sonce. Primerov iz zgodovine je dosti. Npr

1815 leto brez poletja - izbruh Krakatoe

Izbruh Ilopanga v 6.stol - 10 let mraza, kuge in lakote v Konstantinoplu
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-...

Sonce nima veze?

Toplogredni plini. Efekti prahu etc. so kratkotrajni.

MAGA TRUMP je 26. mar 2019 ob 23:36 izjavil:

Toti okoljevarstveni so ko lubenice,uzun zeleni notr pa rdeč

Trailer trash nivo. A se potem čudiš, če takšne ničvredene poste potem kdo predlaga za izbris?

Kakšno zvezo ima to s čimer koli? Saj ne misliš, da bom zapravljal čas z gledanjem nekih irelevantnih političnih filmčkov?

Plus - kot kaže zanikovalci aka Trump/Putin boti spet ne veste o čem govorite:

"Just three Democrats -- Sens. Doug Jones (Ala.), Joe Manchin (W.Va.) andKyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) -- broke with their party to vote against the proposal for massive clean energy and infrastructure investments to rapidly slash greenhouse gas emissions and attempt to break economic inequality. The rest voted present, including six presidential candidates who co-sponsored the non-binding resolution S.J. Res. 8. Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), who caucuses with Democrats, also joined Republicans in voting no on Tuesday..."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/...

Sicer je pa to klasična bot fora - iz riti potegneš neko napačno trditev in potem naj se korektni razpravljalci ubadamo s tem, da jo debunkamo or else "nočeš podati nasprotnih dokazov".
Logično da se nikomur ne da ukvarjat s takšnim glupim sranjem.

zmaugy je 27. mar 2019 ob 06:52 izjavil:

Kakšno zvezo ima to s čimer koli? Saj ne misliš, da bom zapravljal čas z gledanjem nekih irelevantnih političnih filmčkov?

Irelevantno ti je, da nas bodo Kitajci in Indijci prehiteli vsepovsod, medtem ko bomo mi živeli v jamah?

Plus - kot kaže zanikovalci aka Trump/Putin boti spet ne veste o čem govorite:

Napisal sem, DA SO SE VZDRŽALI.

Nihče ni glasoval ZA.

Ne znaš brat.

No, zdaj, ko so se demokrati vzdržali pri glasovanju o Green New deal, je pa GW končan. Predlagam republikancem, da na naslednji seansi predlagajo glasovanje o Gravitaciji in jo ukinejo.

Pajade. To se zaenkrat da zelo enostavno zregulirati, bi pa morale ZDA in EU stopiti skupaj, ampak pri debilu v Beli hiši je to nemogoče.
Dokler so Kitajci odvisni od izvoza na evropsko in ameriško tržišče, so samostojni samo na videz.

Če EU in ZDA sprejmeta primerno zakonodajo, se bo "packanje" na Kitajskem zmanjšalo. Na primer obvezna garancija za na primer telefon 10 let. Cene grejo gor, ker se mora kvaliteta izboljšati, povpraševanje po določenem času pade, ker ni potrebe po menjavi. Proizvodnja se zmanjša kot tudi "packanje". Samo en primer.
Pa ker se cene naprav zvišajo, morda nenadoma postaneta EU in ZDA delavec konkurenčna. MAGA

NMH, takšni izpadi so bili značilni včasih, ko sem povedal kakšno krepko čez komunistično partijo in jugoslovanski socializem in nato imel v šoli težave s kakšno prfokso samoupravljanja.

Racionalna debata ne pomeni, da sogovornike obmetavaš z iztrebki.

Jezus, reinkarnacija 3...

Ampak je pa res hudo, če dobiš peno na usta, ker nekdo napiše svoje mnenje o predsedniku ZDA. V času mojega življenja je bila fanatična obramba "lika in dela ljubljenega vodje" značilnost najbolj zatolčenenih diktatorskih režimov, torej komunističnih.
Zanimivo, kako se ta vzorec obnašanja spet kaže pri Trumpu - kaže da je tip našel isto tržno nišo in profil podpornikov kot včasih komunistični režimi.

zmaugy je 27. mar 2019 ob 07:51 izjavil:

Pa ker se cene naprav zvišajo, morda nenadoma postaneta EU in ZDA delavec konkurenčna. MAGA

Zakaj bi na teritoriju odprtih mej rabil plačat delovca konkurenčno? Saj je dosti ljudi iz III. sveta ki so pripravljeni delati pod minimalcem.

zmaugy je 27. mar 2019 ob 08:12 izjavil:

V času mojega življenja je bila fanatična obramba "lika in dela ljubljenega vodje" značilnost najbolj zatolčenenih diktatorskih režimov, torej komunističnih.

Reče član Obama fan kluba

Does a Global Temperature Exist?

Physical, mathematical and observational grounds are employed to show that there is no physically meaningful global temperature for the Earth in the context of the issue of global warming. While it is always possible to construct statistics for any given set of local temperature data, an infinite range of such statistics is mathematically permissible if physical principles provide no explicit basis for choosing among them. Distinct andequally valid statistical rules can and do show opposite trends when applied to the results of computations from physical models and real data in the atmosphere. A given temperature field can be interpreted as both “warming” and “cooling” simultaneously,making the concept of warming in the context of the issue of global warming physically ill-posed.

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Personal income and height are meaningful at the individual level, and no conceptual problems emerge when adding or averaging over a population. But there are certainly examples where averaging or adding destroys the meaning of a variable. In economics, for example, an exchange rate is meaningful when comparing two currencies, but the ideas of a “global exchange rate” or a sum over exchange rates are both nonsensical. Regardless of the fact that enough data exist to compute something analogous to a “global temperature” for the money markets, neither the level nor the trend in such a statistic would provide any meaningful information about the global economy. Another example: Individual telephone numbers are both meaningful and useful, while the sum oraverage over telephone numbers in a directory have no meaning.

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http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/resear...

CoolBits je 27. mar 2019 ob 08:24 izjavil:

Does a Global Temperature Exist?

Physical, mathematical and observational grounds are employed to show that there is no physically meaningful global temperature for the Earth in the context of the issue of global warming. While it is always possible to construct statistics for any given set of local temperature data, an infinite range of such statistics is mathematically permissible if physical principles provide no explicit basis for choosing among them. Distinct andequally valid statistical rules can and do show opposite trends when applied to the results of computations from physical models and real data in the atmosphere. A given temperature field can be interpreted as both “warming” and “cooling” simultaneously,making the concept of warming in the context of the issue of global warming physically ill-posed.

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Personal income and height are meaningful at the individual level, and no conceptual problems emerge when adding or averaging over a population. But there are certainly examples where averaging or adding destroys the meaning of a variable. In economics, for example, an exchange rate is meaningful when comparing two currencies, but the ideas of a “global exchange rate” or a sum over exchange rates are both nonsensical. Regardless of the fact that enough data exist to compute something analogous to a “global temperature” for the money markets, neither the level nor the trend in such a statistic would provide any meaningful information about the global economy. Another example: Individual telephone numbers are both meaningful and useful, while the sum oraverage over telephone numbers in a directory have no meaning.

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http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/resear...

To jaz že skozi trdim. Iz ene brezvezne statistike so naredili religijo. Pa sploh nima veze kaj kaže realnost, važno je kaj pravijo nekateri računalniški modeli na podlagi te statistike. Wtf meni pomeni če je na Arktiki letos -40 lansko leto je bilo pa -35.

zmaugy je 27. mar 2019 ob 09:04 izjavil:

Rich black man drop mic, thet Grug think rich black man smart!

zmaugy je 27. mar 2019 ob 09:04 izjavil:

Nailed it:

youtu.be

Histeričen alarmizem na nikakršni osnovi. Vsi bomo pomrli, če ne damo denarja Big Green-u.

MAGA TRUMP je 27. mar 2019 ob 14:08 izjavil:

je mojster javnega nastopanja pa če ti je všeč ali pa ne

Ni MAGA ampak MIGA. Popravi si niknejm ker je antisemitičen!

lol "če"

Ne vem zakaj še kogarkoli skrbi globalno segrevanje, saj je narod zadnjič protestiral proti njemu in pokazal svojo voljo.

Spajky je 27. mar 2019 ob 18:31 izjavil:

soustanovitelj-greenpeaca-GW oznacil-za-najvecjo-prevaro-v-zgodovini
http://nova24tv.si/svet/soustanovitelj-...

“
Greenpeace USA
✔
@greenpeaceusa
Replying to @realDonaldTrump @foxandfriends
Patrick Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace. He does not represent Greenpeace. He is a paid lobbyist, not an independent source. His statements about @AOC & the #GreenNewDeal have nothing to do with our positions.”

Aja, ti si citiral Nova24:

“5000 ilegalcev oboroženih s hladnim orožjem in marihuano; kot mrhovinarji čakajo, da vdrejo v Slovenijo”

http://nova24tv.si/slovenija/ugledni-no...

Hahahahahahahaha, oboroženih z marihuano, ROFLMAO. Kvaliteta prispevkov zanikovalcev in njihovih virov.

zmaugy je 27. mar 2019 ob 18:55 izjavil:

Spajky je 27. mar 2019 ob 18:31 izjavil:

soustanovitelj-greenpeaca-GW oznacil-za-najvecjo-prevaro-v-zgodovini
http://nova24tv.si/svet/soustanovitelj-...

“
Greenpeace USA
✔
@greenpeaceusa
Replying to @realDonaldTrump @foxandfriends
Patrick Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace. He does not represent Greenpeace. He is a paid lobbyist, not an independent source. His statements about @AOC & the #GreenNewDeal have nothing to do with our positions.”

Zbrisali so ga, ker je katastrofa za njihov PR. Spreminjanje zgodovine ni nič novega pri avtoritarcih. Organizacijo je zapustil v 80-ih, ker je po ogromnih donacija postala preveč spolitizirana.


Tukaj ga imajo še na sliki iz prve plovbe, so ga očitno pozabili zbrisati lol (pod P)

https://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/...

edini "ecosense" v letu 2019 je ekoterorizem.