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oo7 ::
Navi GPU architecture that will be coming in 2018 and focus on scalability as well as feature the new "next-gen memory".
AMD GPU roadmap reveals HBM2-powered Vega and Navi
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/03/...
A ni že HBM2 next gen?
AMD GPU roadmap reveals HBM2-powered Vega and Navi
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/03/...
A ni že HBM2 next gen?
oo7 ::
AMD Navi Release Date Set To Fall In Late 2018 Or Early 2019, Here's All You Need To Know
It seems Vega 10 will evolve to Vega 20 sometime in 2017 and 2018 in what could be rightly termed as AMD's next big leap in the GPU market in a while. Codenamed Navi, this will be a 7nm FinFET GlobalFoundries product that will probably hit the store shelves either in late 2018 or early 2019.
GlobalFoundries has so far been pretty clear about its intentions of skipping 10nm, but for the sake of fairness, even Intel seems to be unable to get 10nm right.
You are probably aware that Qualcomm will eventually launch 10nm products in the mobile market, but there's no sign of any imminent release of high-performance chips such as CPUs and GPUs in 10nm FinFET.
As per the current AMD roadmap, Vega 10 will make its debut in the first half of 2017, following which Vega 20 is expected to arrive by late 2017 or early 2018. However, based on the current trends in product development cycles of GPUs, probably it will be more realistic to expect it later rather than earlier.
Meanwhile, as per a Fudzilla report, AMD is focused on multiple 7nm products, at least one of which will come with 48 cores (codenamed Starship).
The Vega 20 which will be housing PCIe 4.0 and enhance memory interconnect is likely to get AMD enough time in 2018 for fine tuning 7nm FinFET Navi. The company has officially announced that Navi is scheduled for 2018, and hinted that it might boast a next-generation memory class (High Bandwidth Memory 3?)
http://www.mobipicker.com/amd-navi-rele...
It seems Vega 10 will evolve to Vega 20 sometime in 2017 and 2018 in what could be rightly termed as AMD's next big leap in the GPU market in a while. Codenamed Navi, this will be a 7nm FinFET GlobalFoundries product that will probably hit the store shelves either in late 2018 or early 2019.
GlobalFoundries has so far been pretty clear about its intentions of skipping 10nm, but for the sake of fairness, even Intel seems to be unable to get 10nm right.
You are probably aware that Qualcomm will eventually launch 10nm products in the mobile market, but there's no sign of any imminent release of high-performance chips such as CPUs and GPUs in 10nm FinFET.
As per the current AMD roadmap, Vega 10 will make its debut in the first half of 2017, following which Vega 20 is expected to arrive by late 2017 or early 2018. However, based on the current trends in product development cycles of GPUs, probably it will be more realistic to expect it later rather than earlier.
Meanwhile, as per a Fudzilla report, AMD is focused on multiple 7nm products, at least one of which will come with 48 cores (codenamed Starship).
The Vega 20 which will be housing PCIe 4.0 and enhance memory interconnect is likely to get AMD enough time in 2018 for fine tuning 7nm FinFET Navi. The company has officially announced that Navi is scheduled for 2018, and hinted that it might boast a next-generation memory class (High Bandwidth Memory 3?)
http://www.mobipicker.com/amd-navi-rele...
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oo7 ::
AMD's next-gen Navi could be 40% faster than RX Vega Globalfoundries prepares 7nm node, meaning AMD's next-gen Navi GPU architecture isn't too far away
Globalfoundries has announced that it will have its next-gen 7nm FinFET technology begin hitting the production line in 1H 2018, providing up to 40% more performance to 7nm-based products, and more.
The company said that its new 7nm FinFET design kits are available right now, with "volume production" expected in 2H 2018, an exciting next 12 months ahead of us. The step down to 7nm will provide improvements at the transistor and process levels, with the 7LP tech beating expectations for performance, with over 40% more processing power and twice the area scaling than the current-gen 14nm FinFET node. Globalfoundries is taking design orders from customers for its 7nm technology, in Saratoga County, N.Y. Senior VP of Globalfoundries, Gregg Bartlett, explains: "Our 7nm FinFET technology development is on track and we are seeing strong customer traction, with multiple product tapeouts planned in the next twelve months. And, while driving to commercialize 7-nm in 2018, we are actively developing next-generation technologies at 5-nm and beyond to ensure our customers have access to a world-class roadmap at the leading edge".
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58037/amd...
Globalfoundries has announced that it will have its next-gen 7nm FinFET technology begin hitting the production line in 1H 2018, providing up to 40% more performance to 7nm-based products, and more.
The company said that its new 7nm FinFET design kits are available right now, with "volume production" expected in 2H 2018, an exciting next 12 months ahead of us. The step down to 7nm will provide improvements at the transistor and process levels, with the 7LP tech beating expectations for performance, with over 40% more processing power and twice the area scaling than the current-gen 14nm FinFET node. Globalfoundries is taking design orders from customers for its 7nm technology, in Saratoga County, N.Y. Senior VP of Globalfoundries, Gregg Bartlett, explains: "Our 7nm FinFET technology development is on track and we are seeing strong customer traction, with multiple product tapeouts planned in the next twelve months. And, while driving to commercialize 7-nm in 2018, we are actively developing next-generation technologies at 5-nm and beyond to ensure our customers have access to a world-class roadmap at the leading edge".
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58037/amd...
oo7 ::
AMD's Navi 7nm GPU Architecture To Reportedly Feature Dedicated AI Circuitry
We are just a few days away from the comsumer launch of AMD's next generation Vega graphics architecture, which will underpin the Radeon RX Vega family. However, there is already talk about what's coming after Vega; and that is Navi.
Up until this point, not much has been said about Navi architecture, other than vague descriptions citing "scalability" and "next generation memory". Other than that, we've been told that Navi will be built on a 7nm FinFET process when it launches next year.
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-7nm-na...
We are just a few days away from the comsumer launch of AMD's next generation Vega graphics architecture, which will underpin the Radeon RX Vega family. However, there is already talk about what's coming after Vega; and that is Navi.
Up until this point, not much has been said about Navi architecture, other than vague descriptions citing "scalability" and "next generation memory". Other than that, we've been told that Navi will be built on a 7nm FinFET process when it launches next year.
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-7nm-na...
FireSnake ::
Zdaj, kakšna bo razlika med 10 in 7nm.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
A bo Navi kot Polaris ali big chip Vega? Mogoče bo najprej do 300mm2 čip na 7nm.
Kako lepo vedno piše p/w gains, a da bi jim to uspelo na istem node-u je pa ZF.
Kako lepo vedno piše p/w gains, a da bi jim to uspelo na istem node-u je pa ZF.
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tikitoki ::
Navi bi znal biti sestavlejn iz vecih manjsih cipov, kot je bilo videno pri Ryzen. Oz. po potrebi, low end grafa, ena enota, mid range dve, high end stiri,...
S tem bi se izognili problemu drage izdela velikih cipov.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Navi Latence 56 in 64 bodo še prej.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Skepsa glede na mesec natančne napovedi.
Še posebej, če je Posted: Oct 9, 2017
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Na koncu bodo prisiljeni Polaris na 12nm ponudit. 
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klinker ::
D3m0r4l1z3d je izjavil:
Na koncu bodo prisiljeni Polaris na 12nm ponudit.
Verjetno bi blo boljse od Vege
D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Ne, gddr6 Polaris 2
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AMD's upcoming 7nm Navi GPUs may not be more powerful than Nvidia's GTX 1080
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-s-upc...
According to rumors, AMD's Navi-based GPUs, which are slotted for release in 2019, may compete with Nvidia's GTX 1080 but not supersede it. This could spell trouble for AMD; the GPU shortage caused by the cryptomining craze particularly hit AMD's stock, and the lack of a competitive GPU next year may cause a loss of market share.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-s-upc...
According to rumors, AMD's Navi-based GPUs, which are slotted for release in 2019, may compete with Nvidia's GTX 1080 but not supersede it. This could spell trouble for AMD; the GPU shortage caused by the cryptomining craze particularly hit AMD's stock, and the lack of a competitive GPU next year may cause a loss of market share.
Jarno ::
Saj, midrange se najbolje prodaja, kak 150W gtx 1080 ekvivalent bi šel za tople žemljice.
Načeloma lahko naredijo tudi dual gpu board, ki bo strašil pri spletnih benchmarkih.
Bolj me skrbi, da bodo vztrajali pri hbm2 @ midrange, ker bo to podražilo zadevo in omejevalo dobavljivost.
Načeloma lahko naredijo tudi dual gpu board, ki bo strašil pri spletnih benchmarkih.
Bolj me skrbi, da bodo vztrajali pri hbm2 @ midrange, ker bo to podražilo zadevo in omejevalo dobavljivost.
#65W!
D3m0r4l1z3d ::
150w 1080 je prakticno že kar sama 1080. Bolj si verjetno mislil 250eur 1080 ekvivalent. Vseeno bi se po 3 letih in na 7nm pričakoval boljši perf od 1080
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Jst ::
Da, sem bral, da Navi ne bo "gamer" karta. Lisa se je mogla odločiti in se je za CPU plus GPU za Sony. Shareholderji so zadovoljni, dobili smo konkurenčne Ryzen/Threadripperje in Epyc, Raja jezen odšel, tako da gamer karte od AMDja vsaj še dve leti ne bo. Prej tri. Obenem bodo pa služili na CPUjih in Sony deal-u. Pa kolikor se spomnim iz članka, naj naslednja generacija ne bo več temeljila na Graphics Core Next.
Kar je imela Lisa Su na mizi ni bila lahka odločitev.
Kar je imela Lisa Su na mizi ni bila lahka odločitev.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
A niso pri konzolah bolj slabi dobički.
Verjetno gpu za sony ne bo težko v midrange grafo za pc spravit.
Verjetno gpu za sony ne bo težko v midrange grafo za pc spravit.
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Kdo je pa to rekel?
Govorilo se je takrat, ko je amd dobil oba biznisa ps4 in xbone. Oba ne moreta prav visokih cen za konzole dat, ker največ na storitvah potem zaslužita, za kar pa rabita čim več prodanih konzol.
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tryhard ::
Ja, to velja za tistega, ki konzolo proda. AMD ne prodaja teh konzol, zaslužki definitivno so. Poglej poročila AMDja.
filip007 ::
Projekti izven PC trga samo koristijo podjetju, saj vemo kako je AMD ponavadi bil.
Prenosnik, konzola, TV, PC upokojen.
Jst ::
Lisa Su je naredila čudež. Po failu z CPUji se je morala odločiti, komu dati prednost. In Threadripperji so fenomenalni (razen problemov z 32GB RAMA na začetku). GPU za Sony bo pa prinašal sicer majhen, a stabilen income.
Vega pa tudi sicer ni slaba in trgovina zraven naših pisarn, jih ima na zalogi in redno prodaja (da se prodajajo, se vidi po škatlah in kaj dobiš zraven, ki se redno menjajo). Za 2560x1600 je odlična. Za pravi avg 60FPS 4K bomo morali počakati še kakšno generacijo - upam na Nvidijo, da izda gaming karto na podlagi nove arhitekture.
Glede na 1080ti:
Rabimo ravno ene 30% več moči za brezskrbno 4k "max settings".
Ne vem pa, kaj AMD bluzi z HDR oz. "FreeSync 2 HDR." Nvidia ima to že poštimano.
Vega pa tudi sicer ni slaba in trgovina zraven naših pisarn, jih ima na zalogi in redno prodaja (da se prodajajo, se vidi po škatlah in kaj dobiš zraven, ki se redno menjajo). Za 2560x1600 je odlična. Za pravi avg 60FPS 4K bomo morali počakati še kakšno generacijo - upam na Nvidijo, da izda gaming karto na podlagi nove arhitekture.
Glede na 1080ti:
Rabimo ravno ene 30% več moči za brezskrbno 4k "max settings".
Ne vem pa, kaj AMD bluzi z HDR oz. "FreeSync 2 HDR." Nvidia ima to že poštimano.
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::
Projekti izven PC trga samo koristijo podjetju, saj vemo kako je AMD ponavadi bil.
Ravno konzole niti ne toliko, očitno. AI, machine learning, ... pa ja.
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FlyingBee ::
Nekaj se šušlja o Navi
- 2h 2019
- mid range gpu
- na nivoju gtx 1080
- 7nm, itak
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-7nm-na...
- 2h 2019
- mid range gpu
- na nivoju gtx 1080
- 7nm, itak
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-7nm-na...
RegulusDraco ::
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D3m ::
Ne. Reči hoče, da bo Navi mid-range na nivoju GTX1080.
Jaz rajši vidim, če bi bila med 1080 in 1080Ti.
Jaz rajši vidim, če bi bila med 1080 in 1080Ti.
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FlyingBee ::
Če pogledamo nvidio, je 2070 zdaj med 1080 in 1080ti. Ker je tu106 čip, lahko rečemo, da je mid range. Verjetno bo Navi hitrejši od 1080.
Alien123 ::
RegulusDraco je izjavil:
- mid range gpu
- na nivoju gtx 1080
dafuq? gtx 1080 je mid range gpu?
itq da je, imaš 2070, 2080, 2080ti.. jap je kar midrange. Moja je bila tudi nekaj časa high end, kaj pa zdaj?
tikitoki ::
RegulusDraco je izjavil:
- mid range gpu
- na nivoju gtx 1080
dafuq? gtx 1080 je mid range gpu?
Govori se o prihodnosti. TOrej je mozno oz. samo vprasanje casa.
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FlyingBee ::
Gpu gp104 pač ne bo nikoli mid range, njegov performance pa bo verjetno postala mid range v 2H 2019.
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Treer ::
Torej, če bo vse po sreči bojo po ene treh letih in pol končno ujeli 1080-ko z nečem, za kar ne rabiš dodatnega agregata... Majke mi, so dobri!
tikitoki ::
Gpu gp104 pač ne bo nikoli mid range, njegov performance pa bo verjetno postala mid range v 2H 2019.
Kartica spada tja, kamor jo uvrsca performance.
Torej, če bo vse po sreči bojo po ene treh letih in pol končno ujeli 1080-ko z nečem, za kar ne rabiš dodatnega agregata... Majke mi, so dobri!
Ko bo NVIDIA ponudila kaj taksnega za dobrih 200 EUR, potem bomo zaceli steti dneve od tega dosezka.
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FlyingBee ::
Tiki, eno je karrica, drugo čip. 1080 bo legacy, ko bo Navi zunaj. 2070 je po čipu z oznako tu106 že lahko midrange, ampak glede na konkurenco in performance nad 1080, to ne moremo v midrange spraviti še zdaj. To so 1060 in 580 oziroma prihajata 590 in 1060ti ali 1070le.
Cenovno pa nvidia ne bo ponudila 1080 performanca za 200eur, ker ji pač še ni treba oziroma bi sama sebi škodovala. Kaj takega ni za pričakovati itak pa si želimo vsi, ampak pozabi. Treer ima precej bolj realna pričakovanja in amd resnično rabi do 200w gpu na nivoju 1080 ali hitrejše, pa še vedno bo le ujel tako. Verjetno bo navi zaradi 7nm pod 150w čip in bo končno spet p/W leader.
Cenovno pa nvidia ne bo ponudila 1080 performanca za 200eur, ker ji pač še ni treba oziroma bi sama sebi škodovala. Kaj takega ni za pričakovati itak pa si želimo vsi, ampak pozabi. Treer ima precej bolj realna pričakovanja in amd resnično rabi do 200w gpu na nivoju 1080 ali hitrejše, pa še vedno bo le ujel tako. Verjetno bo navi zaradi 7nm pod 150w čip in bo končno spet p/W leader.
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Treer ::
Ko bo NVIDIA ponudila kaj taksnega za dobrih 200 EUR, potem bomo zaceli steti dneve od tega dosezka.
In kje piše, da bo Navi res 200€? Pa tudi če bi bil, bo Nvidia samo prilagodila ceno 2060-ke in so dobri, morda je do takrat sploh ne bojo izdali, saj trenutno z 1060-ko še povsem zadovoljivo krotijo rdeče napade z dvakrat bolj požrešnimi polarisi...
D3m ::
x2? Preveč čustvenih streljaš.
Čez en teden boš že x3 pisal pol pa spet nazaj na x2.
200€ smo že videli za časa HD4xxx
Pa še takrat je nvidia skakala v luft.
Čez en teden boš že x3 pisal pol pa spet nazaj na x2.
200€ smo že videli za časa HD4xxx
Pa še takrat je nvidia skakala v luft.
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Treer ::
Tiste verzije 580-k, ki zares matchajo 1060-ke v performasu, porabijo 220-225w proti 120-125w, res sem hudo falil s to zaokrožitvijo
D3m ::
Boš moral še enkrat pregledati svoje podatke.
Jaz na internetu vidim razliko 25%
Jaz na internetu vidim razliko 25%
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Treer ::
Kje že? To je poraba za cel sistem in 580-ka (taka, ki je na nivoju 1060 v perf.) porabi 110w več, še malo višja razlika kot sem jo napisal prej.