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Invictus ::

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Proameriška vlada v Jemnu ima težave zaradi korupcije in brezposelnosti, sledi državljanska vojna -> Krive so seveda ZDA
Antiameriška vlada v Siriji ima težave zaradi korupcije in brezposelnosti, sledi državljanska vojna -> Krive so ZDA

Evo, končno ti je potegnilo :).

Nisem pa vedel, da Iranci blokirajo pristanišča in da mečejo lasersko vodene bombe iz F-15 in F-16 na civilne objekte.

Očitno so skrivoma postali prijatelji ZDA...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

Smrekar1 ::

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Evo, končno ti je potegnilo :).


Kot sem rekel, če ti ni jasno v čem je problem ti priporočam, da se držiš lažjih tem.

Mr.B ::

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Kaj ko bi ti podal bolj kredibilni vir, kot pa da dejstvo označiš na osnovi sledeče verodostojne izjave : they believed to be backed militarily

Zgodba se pa začne , kot vsaka Ameriško podprta Demokracijo, ki jo direktno enoznačno povežemo z kar z vsemi spontanimi današnjimi Arabskimi pomladi, kjer je sedaj na oblasti naša demokratična oblast... Na primer začetku tvojega verodostojnega članka :
President Hadi struggled to deal with a variety of problems,......... as well as corruption, unemployment and food insecurity.

Samo še globalno ogrevanje manjka v dobrobit..


Proameriška vlada v Jemnu ima težave zaradi korupcije in brezposelnosti, sledi državljanska vojna -> Krive so seveda ZDA
Antiameriška vlada v Siriji ima težave zaradi korupcije in brezposelnosti, sledi državljanska vojna -> Krive so ZDA

Če ti ni jasno v čem je problem te naprošam, da se držiš lažjih tem.

Dej ne laž in potvarjaj dejstva. Dejstvo je da so SA napadle samostojno država na podlagi "Baje" ker je bil koruptivni predsednik moral bežati k svojim podpornikom v SA. Že videno in ne prvič., in razne alkaide
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quake5 ::

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Jordanija, ZAE, Kuvajt in Oman očitno ne štejejo kot države. Zanimivo.

Res čudno, kot bi bile ZDA napadalni pes te "države", hmmm...


Ne, kot da bi si nekdo (konkretno: ti) ustvarjal mnenje izključno na podlagi nekritičnega sprejemanja propagandnih pamfletov severnokorejske kvalitete. Sramuj se.


Ja ja, mediji so izjemno ostro nastrojeni proti tej "državi". Cnn, NBC, BBC, RTVslo non stop ponavljajo kako je ta država zlobna ker okupira tuj teritorji, napada sosednje države, kastrira črnke, napada ljudi na ulici ker niso etnično čisti, meče begunce izven svoje meja, je obdana z ogromnim zidom... CNN res širi ogromno nestrpnosti do te nedolžne "države" :))

Smrekar1 ::

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Dej ne laž in potvarjaj dejstva. Dejstvo je da so SA napadle samostojno država na podlagi "Baje" ker je bil koruptivni predsednik moral bežati k svojim podpornikom v SA.


Baje je bil koruptiven, ja. Bežal je zato, ker ga je spodila ven etnična manjšina, ki naj bi imela podporo Irana. Morda so jim celo vozili orožje.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-...
https://www.mei.edu/publications/new-fi...
https://aawsat.com/english/home/article...
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/29/poli...
https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/yemen/u...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che...

Pardon, ne morda. zagotovo. Baje se v Siriji to ne sme. Zanimivo, ni kaj.

Že videno in ne prvič., in razne alkaide


Res je.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-...

Samo ne na tak način kot ti misliš, da je bilo videno.

Mr.B ::

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Dej ne laž in potvarjaj dejstva. Dejstvo je da so SA napadle samostojno država na podlagi "Baje" ker je bil koruptivni predsednik moral bežati k svojim podpornikom v SA.


Baje je bil koruptiven, ja. Bežal je zato, ker ga je spodila ven etnična manjšina, ki naj bi imela podporo Irana. Morda so jim celo vozili orožje.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-...
https://www.mei.edu/publications/new-fi...
https://aawsat.com/english/home/article...
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/29/poli...
https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/yemen/u...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che...

Pardon, ne morda. zagotovo. Baje se v Siriji to ne sme. Zanimivo, ni kaj.

Že videno in ne prvič., in razne alkaide


Res je.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-...

Samo ne na tak način kot ti misliš, da je bilo videno.


Dej se ne smeši.
Besedilo iz tvojega prvega člana : Yemen’s civil war, which has led to a deep humanitarian crisis
Torej SA, se počutijo odgovorne in pravečne in imajo skupaj z Amerikanci, počutijo opravičeni se umešavati v druge države. In sedaj, zaradi njihovega pravičnega umešavanja, imaš posledico najmanj 85k mrtvih otrok mlajših od pet let, in vprašanje še koliko le teh mlajših od 18 let.
In prosim ne me začeti z argumentacijo kdo ik kateri uvaža orožje v Yemen, ker je ameriškega orožja puno na vseh teh nedemokratičnih in seveda novo demokratiziranih arabskih ter ne arabskih državah. Ok tudi ruskega in Kitajskega. Verjetno je sedaj v Yemnu več kitajskih dronov kot Ameriških.

Dej nehaj z argumentacijo, če nimaš kaj resnega zapovedati, razen potrjevanja boxin politike.
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To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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PunkDude ::

Torej navijamo za SA, ker niso bad guys in bo najbolje, če masakrirajo še približno 85k otrok. Zanimivo.

Smrekar1 ::

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Torej navijamo za SA, ker niso bad guys in bo najbolje, če masakrirajo še približno 85k otrok. Zanimivo.


Skupno je umrlo 85 000 otrok, večinoma zaradi pomanjkanja, ne zaradi bomb. Pomanjkanje je posledica državnega udara in vstaje iranskih podprepnikov, na kar se je SA odzvala. Kako utemeljuješ, da so vse žrtve posledice izključno vpletanja SA in ne, denimo, iranskih podrepnikov ki so glavni razlog zakaj je do konflikta sploh prišlo?

Lonsarg ::

Iran se vmešava in daje orožje strani ki jo podpira.
SA pa aktivno napaka nasprotnike v Jemnu in še to na grd način z bombandiranjem, ki uniči/ubije več civilne kot vojaške infrastrukture/ljudi.

To dvoje je v povsem ločeni kategoriji, ne moreš primerjat. Če bi vsi zgolj pomagali z orožjem svojim podpornikom in pustili Jemenčanom da vojno bijejo sami, bi bila vojna KONKRETNO manj kruta. Ne pa nujno kratka, je veliko konfliktov in več kot dve strani tam...

Zadeva je zelo žalostna, moj turistični izlet v Jemen je pomoje vrhunec vseh mojih potovanj, res vidiš neko pristnost kulture ki bo zdaj uničena za desetletja.

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arnecan1 ::

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Torej navijamo za SA, ker niso bad guys in bo najbolje, če masakrirajo še približno 85k otrok. Zanimivo.


Skupno je umrlo 85 000 otrok, večinoma zaradi pomanjkanja, ne zaradi bomb. Pomanjkanje je posledica državnega udara in vstaje iranskih podprepnikov, na kar se je SA odzvala. Kako utemeljuješ, da so vse žrtve posledice izključno vpletanja SA in ne, denimo, iranskih podrepnikov ki so glavni razlog zakaj je do konflikta sploh prišlo?

Ja, ja, Savdska Arabija postaja normalna demokratična država. Ženske lahko vozijo, tako kot ZDA širijo demokracijo tja, kjer je to potrebno.... no ,včasih malo preveč pretepejo kakšnega novinarja, ampak to so pač porodni krči mlade demokracije.

Smrekar1 ::

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Ja, ja, Savdska Arabija postaja normalna demokratična država. Ženske lahko vozijo, tako kot ZDA širijo demokracijo tja, kjer je to potrebno.... no ,včasih malo preveč pretepejo kakšnega novinarja, ampak to so pač porodni krči mlade demokracije.


Če te tako skrbi demokracija bi te morala nujno tudi skrbeti demokracija v Siriji in Assad.

PunkDude ::

Preden je prišel stric Sam je Sirijska država funckionirala mnogo bolje kot funckionira sedaj. Libija tudi.
Najverjetneje gre za dolgoročen projekt kot Afganistan. Pustimo se presenetit.

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Smrekar1 ::

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Preden je prišel stric Sam je Sirijska država funckionirala mnogo bolje kot funckionira sedaj.


Jup. Ampak striček Sam je prišel zato, ker je nehala funkcionirati.

Najverjetneje gre za dolgoročen projekt kot Afganistan. Pustimo se presenetit.


Najverjetneje gre za kvaliteten kolaps države, ki ga bodo neizobraženi pripisali ZDA.

Mr.B ::

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Preden je prišel stric Sam je Sirijska država funckionirala mnogo bolje kot funckionira sedaj.


Jup. Ampak striček Sam je prišel zato, ker je nehala funkcionirati.

Najverjetneje gre za dolgoročen projekt kot Afganistan. Pustimo se presenetit.


Najverjetneje gre za kvaliteten kolaps države, ki ga bodo neizobraženi pripisali ZDA.

Seveda enako kot sedaj funkcionira prfektno v Egiptu, libiji in drugih uncle sam demokratiziranih državah.
To seveda ne zastre dejstav, da SA napada suvereno državo, pot pretvezi šiškababa, ups širjenje ameriških sanj.
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PunkDude ::

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Jup. Ampak striček Sam je prišel zato, ker je nehala funkcionirati.

No, pomembno je le to, da tam kamor je stopila ameriška noga sedaj vse super in lepo. Med in mleko. To je tisto kar šteje.
Temu se reče dobro opravljeno delo.
Še malo pa bomo dopustovali v Bagdadu in Kabulu.
Hvala USA.

Poldi112 ::

Nope, striček sam je kar konkretno že par let pred invazijo v Siriji zalaufal propagandno mašino.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Smrekar1 ::

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Seveda enako kot sedaj funkcionira prfektno v Egiptu, libiji in drugih uncle sam demokratiziranih državah.


Ne Egipta in ne Libije ni nihče zdemokratiziral.

To seveda ne zastre dejstav, da SA napada suvereno državo, pot pretvezi šiškababa, ups širjenje ameriških sanj.


V Jemnu SA brani sosednjo državo pred 'uporniki', ki jih financira in oborožuje zunanja sila.

V Siriji in Libiji se isto zadevo očita Zahodu in se jih krivi za vse slabe dogodke v državi, v Jemnu je to košer. Pardon, halal.

Nekaj ima ZaphodBB prav: če ne bi imeli dvojnih standardov sploh ne bi imeli nobenih standardov.

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Seveda enako kot sedaj funkcionira prfektno v Egiptu, libiji in drugih uncle sam demokratiziranih državah.


Ne Egipta in ne Libije ni nihče zdemokratiziral.

To seveda ne zastre dejstav, da SA napada suvereno državo, pot pretvezi šiškababa, ups širjenje ameriških sanj.


V Jemnu SA brani sosednjo državo pred 'uporniki', ki jih financira in oborožuje zunanja sila.

V Siriji in Libiji se isto zadevo očita Zahodu in se jih krivi za vse slabe dogodke v državi, v Jemnu je to košer. Pardon, halal.

Nekaj ima ZaphodBB prav: če ne bi imeli dvojnih standardov sploh ne bi imeli nobenih standardov.

Dej ne menjaj teme,dejsto je da je v Jemnu izgubil oblast s strani SA podprti vodja. Posledično tega SA Bombandira otroke, šole, bolnice itd. Vse je to sprjemljivo, ker je SA demokratična.
Ja sej vemo Iran je kriv, tako kot bo prej alsi slej za poslediče protestov v franciji kriva ruska medijska kampanija, itd...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

PunkDude ::

Kaj pol s počitnicami v Kabulu, planiram al ne?
Dosedaj so pa menda ustvarili nek približek Kajmanskih otokov. Časa je bilo dovolj.

Smrekar1 ::

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Dej ne menjaj teme,dejsto je da je v Jemnu izgubil oblast s strani SA podprti vodja.


Dejstvo je, da je v Jemnu prišlo do poskusa državnega udara s pomočjo tretje države - Irana. Dejstvo je, da je to tudi tisto, kar se Zahodu očita v primeru Sirije in Libije in dejstvo je, da se ruska pomoč Assadu smatra kot zelo dobra in pravilna.

Dejstvo je tudi, da je odnos v Jemnu tak:

Posledično tega SA Bombandira otroke, šole, bolnice itd.


Če ne bi imeli dvojnih meril sploh ne bi imeli meril.

Ja sej vemo Iran je kriv, tako kot bo prej alsi slej za poslediče protestov v franciji kriva ruska medijska kampanija, itd...


Tako kot je bila v Siriji kriva zla zahodna propaganda, ki je do sedaj ni nihče pokazal, čeprav je mobilizirala na desettisoče ljudi. Madonca, dober je ta Mossad in CIA. Me prav zanima kdaj bodo vrgli vlado v Iranu. V bistvu me tudi zanima zakaj je še niso.

Mr.B ::

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Dej ne menjaj teme,dejsto je da je v Jemnu izgubil oblast s strani SA podprti vodja.


Dejstvo je, da je v Jemnu prišlo do poskusa državnega udara s pomočjo tretje države - Irana. Dejstvo je, da je to tudi tisto, kar se Zahodu očita v primeru Sirije in Libije in dejstvo je, da se ruska pomoč Assadu smatra kot zelo dobra in pravilna.

Dejstvo je tudi, da je odnos v Jemnu tak:

Posledično tega SA Bombandira otroke, šole, bolnice itd.


Če ne bi imeli dvojnih meril sploh ne bi imeli meril.

Ja sej vemo Iran je kriv, tako kot bo prej alsi slej za poslediče protestov v franciji kriva ruska medijska kampanija, itd...


Tako kot je bila v Siriji kriva zla zahodna propaganda, ki je do sedaj ni nihče pokazal, čeprav je mobilizirala na desettisoče ljudi. Madonca, dober je ta Mossad in CIA. Me prav zanima kdaj bodo vrgli vlado v Iranu. V bistvu me tudi zanima zakaj je še niso.

Ni problema, ko bo ZDA uvedla sankcije SA zaradi tolikšnih civilnih žrtve, se pa oglašaj. Je pa ZDA glede tega lepo povedala kaj si misli vključujoč z izvolitvijo CIA, no waterbording
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Smrekar1 ::

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Ni problema, ko bo ZDA uvedla sankcije SA zaradi tolikšnih civilnih žrtve, se pa oglašaj.


Kolikor vem ni uvedla nobenih sankcij proti Rusiji zaradi civilnih žrtev, tako da si še enkrat usekal mimo.

Saj smo že vajeni.

Tudi Rusijo v Siriji podpiraš, čeprav dela v najboljšem primeru isto, kot KSA v Jemnu.

Če ne bi imel dvojnih meril jih najbrž res sploh ne bi imel. Sramuj se.

Mr.B ::

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Ni problema, ko bo ZDA uvedla sankcije SA zaradi tolikšnih civilnih žrtve, se pa oglašaj.


Kolikor vem ni uvedla nobenih sankcij proti Rusiji zaradi civilnih žrtev, tako da si še enkrat usekal mimo.

Saj smo že vajeni.

Tudi Rusijo v Siriji podpiraš, čeprav dela v najboljšem primeru isto, kot KSA v Jemnu.

Če ne bi imel dvojnih meril jih najbrž res sploh ne bi imel. Sramuj se.

Seveda ni uvedla, saj bi bilo proti njenim interesom. Ker potem bi morala uvesti sankcije tudi proti SA, Izraelu in ostali anti Iranski koaliciji, vključujoč novo ustanovljenimi demokracijam po arabski pomladi.
Na koncu bi jih morala uvesti celo prot sama sebi. Verjetno Cia direktorica z vodnimi sporti nad zaporniki, ravno ni nekaj kar bi se taka demokratična oblast sramovala.
Toliko o tvojem dosegu.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Smrekar1 ::

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Seveda ni uvedla, saj bi bilo proti njenim interesom. Ker potem bi morala uvesti sankcije tudi proti SA, Izraelu in ostali anti Iranski koaliciji, vključujoč novo ustanovljenimi demokracijam po arabski pomladi.
Na koncu bi jih morala uvesti celo prot sama sebi. Verjetno Cia direktorica z vodnimi sporti nad zaporniki, ravno ni nekaj kar bi se taka demokratična oblast sramovala.
Toliko o tvojem dosegu.


Tako kot bi moral ti podpirati KSA v Jemnu najmanj tako glasno, kot navijaš za Rusijo v Siriji, ane.

Lonsarg ::

SA naj lepo isto kot Iran da orožje svoji podprti strani v Jemnu pa si bodo bot in bo vse ok. Aja a imajo premalo podpornikov, ki bi od njih orožje vihteli? Ja šment, pol pa najbolš raje celotno državo iz srednjega veka zbasat nazaj v drugostopenjski strednji vek, bravo.

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Smrekar1 ::

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SA naj lepo isto kot Iran da orožje svoji podprti strani v Jemnu pa si bodo bot in bo vse ok.


Kolikor mi je znano marsikdo kritizira ZDA zaradi podpore Mujahadinom v Afganistanu v času Sovjetske okupacije te države.

V Jemnu je to po novem dober način reševanja konflikta, ker je SA ubrala drugačno pot.

Zanimivo, ni kaj.

Mr.B ::

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Seveda ni uvedla, saj bi bilo proti njenim interesom. Ker potem bi morala uvesti sankcije tudi proti SA, Izraelu in ostali anti Iranski koaliciji, vključujoč novo ustanovljenimi demokracijam po arabski pomladi.
Na koncu bi jih morala uvesti celo prot sama sebi. Verjetno Cia direktorica z vodnimi sporti nad zaporniki, ravno ni nekaj kar bi se taka demokratična oblast sramovala.
Toliko o tvojem dosegu.


Tako kot bi moral ti podpirati KSA v Jemnu najmanj tako glasno, kot navijaš za Rusijo v Siriji, ane.

Oprosti gospod smreki, ampak ostali demokratični svet smatra demokracijo čisto nekaj drugega, kot se le ta odvija v tvoji glavi.... Predlagam ti, da razmisli preden boš impulzivno odgovoril.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Lonsarg ::

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SA naj lepo isto kot Iran da orožje svoji podprti strani v Jemnu pa si bodo bot in bo vse ok.


Kolikor mi je znano marsikdo kritizira ZDA zaradi podpore Mujahadinom v Afganistanu v času Sovjetske okupacije te države.

V Jemnu je to po novem dober način reševanja konflikta, ker je SA ubrala drugačno pot.

Zanimivo, ni kaj.

Če je zate bombardiranje zgolj drugačna pot ni rešitve zate.

arnecan1 ::

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Ja, ja, Savdska Arabija postaja normalna demokratična država. Ženske lahko vozijo, tako kot ZDA širijo demokracijo tja, kjer je to potrebno.... no ,včasih malo preveč pretepejo kakšnega novinarja, ampak to so pač porodni krči mlade demokracije.


Če te tako skrbi demokracija bi te morala nujno tudi skrbeti demokracija v Siriji in Assad.

Mene skrbi, ko hočejo nekateri diktatorje v islamskem svetu zamenjati z demokracijo.

In skrbi me kaj hočejo s tem doseči ljudje z Zahoda, ki to hočejo speljati.

In če ti ljudje nimajo skritih namenov, me pa skrbi za njihovo duševno zdravje.

Pac-Man ::

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fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Savdska Arabija ti da 10k, če si otrok in veteran iz Darfurja, da greš osvobajat Jemen:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/28/worl...
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Poldi112 ::

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/11/maga...
par izsekov:

Concerned about encirclement by Shia forces, Saudi Arabia started bombing Yemen in March 2015, soon after the Houthis established a government.

Almost immediately, the United Nations and human rights groups expressed alarm about the way the war was being prosecuted, with its startling toll on civilians and critical infrastructure. The Saudis' bombs have struck factories, roads, bridges, hospitals, wells, funerals, weddings, gatherings entirely of women and a school bus full of children.

Eight million people are on the brink of famine; according to Save the Children, an international aid organization, 85,000 Yemenis under age 5 have already died of starvation. A cholera outbreak has spread to 21 of Yemen's 22 provinces.

In 2007, President George W. Bush announced a $20 billion sale to the Saudis, in part to rebalance the region after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which had deposed a Sunni government and allowed a Shia one to replace it. Bush had inadvertently empowered Iran, and he thought selling weapons to Saudi Arabia could counteract that.

A year later, it was clear to the Obama administration that the Saudis were not using the guided weapons to minimize civilian casualties. So just before leaving office, Obama suspended the transfer of smart bombs to the Saudis.

President Trump immediately reversed the suspension.

About a year after the strike, the Joint Incident Assessment Team, a body composed of coalition members that analyzes the legality of its own airstrikes, released a statement saying that the pilots had bombed the well site in Arhab because they thought it was a ballistic-missile launcher.

(zgodba gre v glavnem o eni skupnosti, ki je napraskala za finance, da so si zvrtali vodnjak. IN predno so ga končali, so dobili smart bomb. In malo kasneje pa še bombardiranje skupine ljudi, ki so se zbrali...)
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
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Zgodovina sprememb…

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Spajky ::

Intervju iz pred časom od Aljazeera novinarja ...
What is Saudi Arabia endgame in Yemen and Syria YT 18 min
"Bluzim na forumu, torej sem !" (še živ ) ...

Mr.B ::

Se ena zgodba se podira...Sej vemo alkaida al nekaj
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/01/...
Saudi Arabia is facing mounting opposition in areasit occupies in Yemen, leading US daily the Wall Street Journal has reported.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Bellingcat je prejel 500 000 € veliko donacijo nizozemske loterije, s katero bodo odprli pisarno v Haagu, ki bo med drugim preiskovala vojno v Jemnu.

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/11026...
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/11...

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bellingc...

Speaking to Press Gazette, Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins (pictured) said the Netherlands office would become the base of “at least six” staff working on its Yemen project and three new admin staff.

...

He added that Bellingcat was hoping to release its first dataset from the Yemen project by 25 March.




alzo

https://twitter.com/SoySeanTio/status/1...
Congratulations! Go Bellingcat! Yay Atlantic council. Woo western imperialism. NATO, NATO! Awesome.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/11...
Thanks Ban! Bellingcat doesn't and has never received any funds from Atlantic Council and Eliot gave up his (unpaid, non-resident) fellowship with them last year. But, we do get some funding from OSF, so you should readjust your go-to insults to Soros scaremongering, IMO.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Mr.B ::

Verjetno ce bi tozili amerikance, nebi prislo tako delec. bi bili le neobstojece civilne zrtve, ki se nebi prikazale...https://amp.dw.com/en/court-hears-case-...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Bellingcat je prejel 500 000 € veliko donacijo nizozemske loterije, s katero bodo odprli pisarno v Haagu, ki bo med drugim preiskovala vojno v Jemnu.


Prvi efekti - seciranje prisotnosti ZAE v Jemnu.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/20...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Kot rečeno - konflikt v Jemnu dobiva s strani Bellingcata podoben tretma kot tisti v Ukrajini in Siriji.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/20...

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1...

What is the #YemenProject?

In Jan 2019, @bellingcat and @GLAN_LAW brought together over 40 people in London @policyatkings to investigate 100 incidents had taken place in Yemen. The incidents were placed into 5 categories based on preliminary identification on social media. The aim of the collective was to either confirm or refute if an airstrike had taken place, but never to infer whether a strike was lawful or unlawful, using only open-source content as the basis of their investigations.

Using a strict methodology and collection protocol built by @GLAN_LAW and @bellingcat to evidentiary standards, teams worked on the verification of User Generated Content first and the analysis of media and NGO as secondary sources for corroboration. Simultaneously our partners @YemeniArchive preserved & archived the this content.

The incidents were placed in 5 categories based on preliminary identification on social media. Each category has a particular status in customary international law applicable in the Yemen context:

1. Attacks on civilians, including strikes on Markets, prisons and civilian vehicles.
2. The destruction of civilian property without military necessity, including strikes conducted on residential homes, factories and businesses, road and fuel stations
3. Attacks on Specific Protected Status, including strikes on Medical facilities historical sites, schools, museums, mosques.
4. Attacks on Government buildings and legitimate military objectives
5. Attacks on objects indispensable to the civilian population. This includes water pumps, water reservoirs, food stores, farms, livestock, crops.

We included bridges too due to their importance for the distribution of food, water & medicine in Yemen.
Over the course of the year, we’ll be investigating at least 200 more incidents and looking at larger patterns, such as attacks on bridges.

A huge thank you to: @hrcberkeley, @amnesty, @ACLEDINFO, @Channel4, @nytimes, @MwatanaEn and many others.
For the full list and the breakdown of the investigation workflow, collection protocol etc. visit http://yemen.bellingcat.com next week from 29th April.


1/200:

The Yemen Project: ADE10001 – Fayoush Market Strike

Conclusion

On 6th July 2015, likely at around 0545 AST, what appears to have been an airstrike took place on the al-Fayush market which was likely full of civilians at the time. Although the presence of Houthi soldiers was mentioned by some witnesses, their presence could not be confirmed. Two munitions were dropped during this strike, and it appears to be a strong possibility the second munition may have killed and injured some of those trying to help the victims of the first. Overall, there was significant loss of civilian life, with reports ranging from 35 to 50 fatalities.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

To.

https://twitter.com/AJMartinSky/status/...

I'm not sure this #SaudiCapturesISISLeader hashtag is trending completely organically.



Hmmm, zna imeti prav, ali pa so angleško govoreči Saudijci blazno dobro strenirani

https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaudiCaptur...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

windigo ::

Zgleda kar obširna PR kampanja KSA.

Moje cinična kristalna krogla pravi, da pripravljajo teren za kakšen večji masaker v Jemnu, ali pa teren za kakšen širši spopad.

Če nas ne bi pred časom že Smrekar1 prepričeval, da obstajajo povezave med ISIS in Iranom, bi se mi zdelo ob izpričanem sektaštvu ISIS in takfirjenju, izjava o sodelovanju med ISIS in Iranom nekaj, čemur bi se še krave smejale. Bi bilo pa priročno, nihče na svetu ne mara ISIS in tisti, ki bi z njo sodeloval, bi nekaj tega neodobravanja dobil instantno.


Torej če pokažejo, da obstaja povezava med ISIS in Hutiji v Jemnu in ker vemo, da obstaja povezava med Hutiji in Revolucionarno gardo (sami teroristi), manjka samo še tranzitivnost (ki je skoraj privzeta), jo pa lahko seveda podkrepi kakšna izjava zajetega poba (v ne ravno najboljem stanju). No bomo videli, ali ostajajo znotraj lokalnega spopada v Jemnu, ali je cilj kar Iran.

Smrekar1 ::

windigo je izjavil:

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Če nas ne bi pred časom že Smrekar1 prepričeval, da obstajajo povezave med ISIS in Iranom


V to te ni nihče prepričeval. Jasno in glasno sem povedal samo to, da je največja razlika med ISIS in Iranom ta, da eni svoje zločine skrivajo, drugi obešajo na veliki zvon.

Drugače sta to dve različni organizaciji, ki se med sabo na smrt sovražita.

windigo ::

Evo, gledam zadnje poste tega hashtaga in dejansko že vlečejo enačaje med Iranom, Hutiji in Isis, ampak jih je premalo, da bi govoril, da so del kampanje. Je več podobno ciničnih do KSA, kot sem jaz tukaj.

Moja cinična kristalna krogla je sicer našla še varianto C: nekdo ima dokumentacijo o Savdskem in Katarskem financiranju Isis, informacije se širijo po širših obveščevalnih krogih ali še raje kdo pripravlja objavo. Pa je to zdaj preliminarni damage control.

Poldi112 ::

The United States, United Kingdom and France may be complicit in war crimes in Yemen by arming and providing intelligence and logistics support to a Saudi-led coalition that starves civilians as a war tactic, the United Nations has said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/...
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

fikus_ ::

To bi pa rad videl, da bi kdo od "pravičnih" odgovarjal za svoja dejanja!

Mr.B ::

Pa streljajo na teroroiste. Trget killing je tudi podpisan s strani predsednika, no obame.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Spajky ::

What is Saudi Arabia endgame in Yemen and Syria - YT 17min iz l.2016 (UpFront)
http://alturl.com/8wz6v .... drugega trenutno ne najdem, gre se pa za ogromne zaloge nafte in plina tam pod morjem zraven jemenske obale ...
"Bluzim na forumu, torej sem !" (še živ ) ...

Poldi112 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Pa streljajo na teroroiste. Trget killing je tudi podpisan s strani predsednika, no obame.


Obeh. Saj veš, da je Trump potem dejansko raketiral še družino onega američana, ki ga je (pravnik) Obama raketiral.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Meridian ::

What appears to be the most devastating Yemen Houthi rebel attack on Saudi Arabia to date, took place overnight on the world's largest oil processing facility as stunning videos emerged of massive explosions rocking the major Aramco Buqyaq facility. Fires burned into the morning daylight hours, with explosions also reported at the Khurais oil field, in what the Houthis said was a successful attack involving ten drones. "These attacks are our right, and we warn the Saudis that our targets will keep expanding," a rebel military spokesman said on Houthi-operated Al Masirah TV.

Saudi authorities — initially slow or reluctant to identify the cause of the major blaze — on Saturday issued a confirmation via the Saudi Press Agency: "At 4.00am (01:00 GMT) the industrial security teams of Aramco started dealing with fires at two of its facilities in Abqaiq and Khurais as a result of... drones," an interior ministry statement said, which further claimed the fires were "under control".


#Buqayq city view as #Aramco facilities burn. Very likely to be an attack of some sort as gunshots are also heard. #SaudiArabia #Saudi #arabtwitter pic.twitter.com/wkPB2xBKyi
— Ahmed Alsalman (@AAlsalman91) September 14, 2019


However, the Saudis have stopped short of acknowledging the Houthis were behind the attack, which Riyadh is also likely to blame on Iran, which has lately promised that if it can't export its oil then "no one will". It remains unclear according to early statements whether there were injuries or casualties in the twin oil facility attacks.


More video of fires throughout #Buqayq in #SaudiArabia#arabtwitter #Arab pic.twitter.com/2XvZL5Lgh8
— Ahmed Alsalman (@AAlsalman91) September 14, 2019


In some of the video captured by onlookers outside the Buqayq facility, gunfire in or around the complex was apparent.


A third video filmed from around the corner from the first two.
Geolocated: (https://t.co/0AjN8ZmrC3) pic.twitter.com/zBwKLbWUk8
— John Marquee (@john_marquee) September 14, 2019


The impact on global oil markets - closed for the weekend - could be significant given the Khurais field produces about 1% of all the world's oil (estimated at over 1M bpd and reserves of over 20BN bpd) and more importantly Abqaiq, which based on the stunning local footage bore the brunt of the drone attacks, remains the most crucial of the kingdom's processing plants. Located 37 miles southwest of Aramco’s Dhahran headquarters, it controls all the flows from fields like the giant Ghawar field to coastal export terminals like Ras Tanura. Saudi Aramco describes the Buqyaq facility as "the largest crude oil stabilization plant in the world."


The world's largest oil processing facility has been hit in a drone attack.
Yemen's Houthi rebels have said they were behind the strikes on Saudi Arabia's Abqaiq plant. Read the full story here: https://t.co/PIGqR4cB2o pic.twitter.com/0Zor9f3Eye
— Sky News (@SkyNews) September 14, 2019


Meanwhile, the United States was quick to "strongly condemn" the attack amid already soaring tensions in the gulf after a summer of "tanker wars" and Iranian threats of walking away altogether from the 2015 nuclear deal (JCPOA). The U.S. envoy to Saudi Arabia issued a statement saying, “The U.S. strongly condemns today’s drone attacks against oil facilities in Abqaiq and Khurais. These attacks against critical infrastructure endanger civilians, are unacceptable, and sooner or later will result in innocent lives being lost.”

According to Reuters reports the drone attacks will impact up to 5 million bpd of oil production, which suggests that the price of oil - already severely depressed by the recent news that John Bolton is out, making de-escalation with Iran far more likely - is set to soar when trading reopens late on Sunday, just what the upcoming Aramco IPO desperately needs, which in turn has prompted some to wonder if the "Yemen" attack on Saudi Arabia wasn't in fact orchestrated by Saudi interests. 18 years after Sept 11, this shouldn't sound all that outlandish.

* * *

The WSJ is out with an update hinting at just how much the price of oil is set to soar when trading reopens late on Sunday after the (Saudi) Houthi (false-flag) drone attack on the largest Saudi oil processing plant:


Saudi Arabia is shutting down about half of its oil output after apparently coordinated drone strikes hit Saudi production facilities, people familiar with the matter said, in what Yemen’s Houthi rebels described as one of their largest-ever attacks inside the kingdom.

The production shutdown amounts to a loss of about five million barrels a day, the people said, roughly 5% of the world’s daily production of crude oil. The kingdom produces 9.8 million barrels a day.


And while Aramco is assuring it can restore output quickly, in case it can't the world is looking at a production shortfall of as much as 150MM barrels monthly, which - all else equal - could send oil soaring into the triple digits. Just what the Aramco IPO ordered.


Supply loss from KSA may be as high as 150 MM barrels/month. Oil may hit $100.
— Krishnan Viswanathan (@kxviswan123) September 14, 2019


* * *

In a sharp, if perhaps not unexpected, escalation, US Secretary of State - now without John Bolton by his side - tweeted at 4pm on Saturday, that contrary to earlier reports, "there is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen" and instead accused Iran of launching today's "unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply" which has now indefinitely taken offline as much as 5mmb/d in Saudi crude production.

In a follow up tweet, Pompeo said that he calls "on all nations to publicly and unequivocally condemn Iran’s attacks" which is odd as not even Saudi Arabia accused Iran of today's aggression (which many speculated could have been a Saudi false flag in hopes of sending the price of oil soaring ahead of the Aramco IPO). Pompeo concluded that "the United States will work with our partners and allies to ensure that energy markets remain well supplied and Iran is held accountable for its aggression."

Will this pivot away from Houthis to Iran as the "origin" of the attack be sufficient grounds to re-inflame tensions between the US and Iran, especially following last week's news that one of the reasons Bolton was fired was due to his hard-line stance on Iran even as Trump was willing to sit down with the Tehran regime for negotiations. Since the deep state stands to make much more money from war rather than peace, our guess is that the answer is a resounding "yes."


We call on all nations to publicly and unequivocally condemn Iran’s attacks. The United States will work with our partners and allies to ensure that energy markets remain well supplied and Iran is held accountable for its aggression
— Secretary Pompeo (@SecPompeo) September 14, 2019

Poldi112 ::

Having failed at "max pressure", @SecPompeo's turning to "max deceit"

US & its clients are stuck in Yemen because of illusion that weapon superiority will lead to military victory.

https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/11731...
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

blasfemik ::

Jemenski bojevniki so prepolovili savdijsko proizvodnjo nafte.
Zamislimo si lahko, kaj šele bi jim storili, če bi bili obuti!
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