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Mr.B ::
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Fritz ::
Verjetno si se zmotil in si mislil na ameriške blokade vseh ukrepov proti izraelskemu pobijanju neoboroženih civilistov.
Aja, oni lahko, sorry
Kar se mene tiče lahko kdorkoli posreduje in zaščiti palestinske civiliste.
In tvega izbruh 3. sv. vojne!? Ne, hvala. Zato imamo VS OZN a tako kot Rusi z vetom ščitijo sirski režim, enako tudi ZDA že zelo dolgo ščitijo izraelski režim. Ko si pa države jemljejo same pravico posredovati..potem morda naredijo kaj koristnega a skušnjava je velika in potem dobimo Irak, Gruzijo, Libijo, Ukrajino etc. A morda zagovarjaš to? Potem pa dajmo OZN kar razpustiti. Čemu vzdrževati tako drag aparat, če lahko veliki počno kar hočejo?
List of vetoed United Nations Security Council resolutions @ Wikipedia
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Invictus ::
Zakaj lahko morda ponazorim na primeru klora, za katerega se v Siriji pogosto naredi izjemo - v stiku z vodo tvori klorovodikovo kislino, pljuča so vlažna, ostalo si lahko predstavljaš.
Zato bazene redno klorirajo...
Da lahko plavamo v kislini...
Pa malo se nauči o kemiji kako se dela... Hint: vioda ni potrebna...
Klorovodikova kislina @ Wikipedia
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
Poldi112 ::
Ker je bil napad izveden z iz helikopterja vrženima jeklenkama. Kdo uporablja helikopterje nad Doumo?
Nekako se je ustvaril mednarodni konsenz, da so kemična orožja no-no. Zakaj lahko morda ponazorim na primeru klora, za katerega se v Siriji pogosto naredi izjemo - v stiku z vodo tvori klorovodikovo kislino, pljuča so vlažna, ostalo si lahko predstavljaš.
Ne, kar zagovarjam ni divji zahod, ampak edina stvar, ki preostane, ko nekdo z vetom blokira ZN.
Humanitarian intervention @ Wikipedia
Assad tega ni podpisal, dokler ga niso v to prisilili. In USA je (predvidevam da kot podpisnica) veselo kršila konsenz o neuporabi kemičnega orožja ko je njihov Saddam napadel Iran (strupi so izgleda ok, ko delujejo n zahodnem interesu). Da ne omenjamo, da se jim zdi vredno pobiti pol miljona otrok z namenom izvajanja pritiska na diktatorja, ko je dobil preveč idej, da lahko dela po svoje (mimo volje gospodarja).
Tvoj argument, da gre za humanitarno posredovanje, je totalni bullshit. Gre za navadno teroristično državo, ki bombardira kogar ji paše, od porok, otrok, ... pa do lastnih državljanov. Sirske vojne sploh ne bi bilo, če zahod ne bi financiral tega, kar danes poznamo pod imenom ISIS, z namenom zrušitve Assad-a. Strupi so zgolj priročno orodje manipulacije, ker lepo igrajo na čustva. Zato si tudi ti limal one grozne slike sem. Racionalno pa USA pobije 100x več otrok kot katerikoli diktator, pa nikome ništa. Zahodne vrednote pa to.
In ja, če zagovarjaš posredovanje mimo OZN zagovarjaš divji zahod. Praktično po definiciji.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Mr.B ::
Vojno v Siriji je začel kar sam Assad!
Ker dokazanim galvorezcem ni dovolil na oblast.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Zato bazene redno klorirajo...
Da lahko plavamo v kislini...
Pa malo se nauči o kemiji kako se dela... Hint: vioda ni potrebna...
Klorovodikova kislina @ Wikipedia
Ohjej...
https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental...
What happens to chlorine in the body?
When chlorine enters the body as a result of breathing, swallowing, or skin contact, it reacts with water to produce acids. The acids are corrosive and damage cells in the body on contact.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
In USA je (predvidevam da kot podpisnica) veselo kršila konsenz o neuporabi kemičnega orožja ko je njihov Saddam napadel Iran (strupi so izgleda ok, ko delujejo n zahodnem interesu).
Njihov?
Kdo mu je prodal
List of Gulf War military equipment @ Wikipedia
Infantry weapons
AK-47
AKM
AKS-47
AK-74
AKS-74U
Zastava M70
Tabuk Sniper Rifle
HK MP5[1]
Type 56 assault rifle
Type 69 RPG
RPG-7
PK machine gun
PKT
RPK
Dragunov sniper rifle
NSV machine gun
DShK
SG-43 Goryunov
DSHKM
TT pistol
CZ-75
Beretta M1951
Browning Hi-Power
Makarov pistol
Tanks
T-72M1 MBT (Main Battle Tank)
Asad Babil MBT (Main Battle Tank)
T-62 MBT (Main Battle Tank)
T-55 MBT (Main Battle Tank)
T-54 MBT (Main Battle Tank)
T-55 Enigma MBT (Main Battle Tank)
T-55QM MBT (Main Battle Tank)
T-55QM2 MBT (Main Battle Tank)
Type 59 MBT (Main Battle Tank)
Type 69-II MBT (Main Battle Tank)
Type 69-QM MBT (Main Battle Tak)
Type 69-QM2 MBT (Main Battle Tak)
PT-76 Amphibious Tank
Armoured vehicles
BMP-1 IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle)
BMP-2 IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle)
AMX-10P IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle)
Panhard AML-60 Armoured Car
Panhard AML-90 Armoured Car
Engesa EE-9 Cascavel Armoured Car
Engesa EE-3 Jararaca Reconnaissance Vehicle
BRDM-2 Reconnaissance Vehicle
Panhard M3(Armoured Personnel Carrier)
Engesa EE-11 Urutu APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
YW351 APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
OT-62C APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
OT-64C SKOT-2A APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
Walid APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
PSZH D-944 APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
MT-LB APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
Roland APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
BTR-50P APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
BTR-60PB APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
OT M-60P APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier)
Panhard VCR-TH ATGM (Anti-Tank Guided Missile) Launcher Vehicle
BRDM-2 9P133 ATGM (Anti-Tank Guided Missile) Launcher Vehicle
Self-Propelled Artillery/Mortars/Rockets/Missiles
2S1 Gvozdika 122 mm SPH (Self Propelled Howitzer)
2S3 Akatsiya 152 mm SPH (Self Propelled Howitzer)
AMX-GCT 155 mm SPH (Self Propelled Howitzer)
ASTROS II MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System)
RL-21 122 mm (Multiple Rocket Launcher)
BM-21 Grad 122 mm MRL (Multiple Rocket Launcher)
FROG-7 Luna-M TEL (Transporter/Erector/Launcher)
9P117/SS-1c Scud-B TEL (Transporter/Erector/Launcher)
Anti-aircraft
ZSU-57-2 SPAAA (Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
ZSU-23-4 Shilka SPAAA (Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
NIIP\Vympel 2K12 "Kub" SA-6a Gainful Self-Propelled SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
Antey 9K33M Osa-AK SA-8b Gecko Self-Propelled SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
Nudelman 9K31 "Strela-1" SA-9 Gaskin Self-Propelled SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
ZRK-BD 9K35 "Strela-10" SA-13 Gopher Self-Propelled SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
AMX-30 Roland 2 Self-Propelled SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
Lavochkin OKB S-75 Dvina SA-2 Guideline SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
Isayev S-125M "Neva-M" SA-3b Goa SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
Roland 2 SAM (Surface-To-Air Missile) Launcher
ZPU-1 14.5 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
ZPU-2 14.5 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
ZPU-4 14.5 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
ZU-23-2 23 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
M1939 37 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
S-60 57 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
S-60 Twin 57 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
KS-19 100 mm Towed AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)
Artillery/mortars/rockets
T-12 100 mm Anti-Tank Gun
Type 63 107 mm MRL (Multiple Rocket Launcher)
D-30 122 mm Towed Howitzer
130 mm towed field gun M1954 (M-46)
152 mm towed gun-howitzer M1955 (D-20)
2A36 152 mm Towed Howitzer
Type 83 152 mm Towed Howitzer
GHN-45 155 mm Towed Howitzer
M-46 155 mm Towed Howitzer
G5 155 mm Towed Howitzer
Al-Jaleel 82 mm Mortar
Al-Jaleel 120 mm Mortar
M43 160 mm Mortar
M240 240 mm Mortar
Engineering and recovery vehicles
Type 653 ARV (Armoured Recovery Vehicle)
FV4024 Chieftain ARV (Armoured Recovery Vehicle)
Command vehicles
Type 63 YW-701 CP (Command Post)
BTR-50PU Command Vehicle
BTR-60PU Command Vehicle
Other vehicles
UAZ-469
Ural M-61 Motorcycle
Aircraft
Helicopters
Aérospatiale SA-316B Alouette III
Aérospatiale SA-321H Super Frelon
Aérospatiale SA-330 Puma
Aérospatiale SA-342K Gazelle
Bell 214ST
Bölkow Bo-105C
Bölkow Bo-105L
Hughes 300C
Hughes MD-500MD Defender
Hughes MD-530F
MBB/Kawasaki BK-117
Mil Mi-4A Hound-A
Mil Mi-6T Hook-A
Mil Mi-8T Hip-C
Mil Mi-8TV Hip-F
Mil Mi-17 Hip-H
Mil Mi-25 Hind-D
Airplanes
Antonov An-12 Cub-A
Antonov An-26 Curl-A
Chengdu F-7A
Dassault Mirage F1EQ
Ilyushin Il-76M Candid-B
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF Fishbed-J
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis Fishbed-N
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23BN Flogger-H
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23MF Flogger-B
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23MS Flogger-E
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25P Foxbat-A
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25RB Foxbat-B
Mikoyan MiG-29B Fulcrum-A
Shenyang F-6A
Sukhoi Su-7B Fitter-A
Sukhoi Su-20 Fitter
Sukhoi Su-22UM-3K Fitter-G
Sukhoi Su-22M-4 Fitter-K
Sukhoi Su-24MK Fencer-D
Sukhoi Su-25K Frogfoot-A
Ships
Landing ships
Type 773 Polnocny Class
Fast attack ships
TNC-45
Osa class
Minelayers
Type 43 Class
Patrol boats
Zhuk Class
Bolj malo ameriške opreme.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Poldi112 ::
Tale spisek nima sile veze s kemičnim orožjem. Razvil ga je s pomočjo ZDA. Pa USA mu je posredovala info o pozicijah Iranskih enot, da jih je lahko efektivno zaplinjal. Šele, ko je šel na kurde, je postal terorist, diktator in kršitelj človekovih pravic, kar je med drugim tudi opravičilo pol miljona mrtvih Iraških otrok.
Toliko o zahodnih vrednotah in nesprejemljivosti bojnih strupov.
Toliko o zahodnih vrednotah in nesprejemljivosti bojnih strupov.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Pac-Man ::
Tale spisek nima sile veze s kemičnim orožjem. Razvil ga je s pomočjo ZDA.
Ne. Uporabljali so sovjetske bombe, infrastruktura in material za proizvodnjo agentov pa sta v pogosto prišla iz zahodne Evrope. Da bodo kao proizvajali pesticide.
ZDA imajo z iraškim kemičnim programom zelo malo povezave.
Halabja chemical attack @ Wikipedia
The know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained by Saddam's regime from foreign sources.[25] Most precursors for chemical weapons production came from Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics, sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. Singapore-based firm Kim Al-Khaleej, affiliated to the United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.[26] Dieter Backfisch, managing director of West German company Karl Kolb GmbH, was quoted by saying in 1989 that "for people in Germany poison gas is something quite terrible, but this does not worry customers abroad."
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Pa USA mu je posredovala info o pozicijah Iranskih enot, da jih je lahko efektivno zaplinjal.
Info o pozicijah je posredovala (tudi) SZ.
Soviet Union and the Iran%E2%80%93Iraq War @ Wikipedia
During the Iran–Iraq War from 1980 to 1988, the Soviet Union (USSR) sold or gave more military equipment and supplies to Iraq than did any other country,[13] as well as providing military advisers.
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Soviet prestige was at stake if its arms were defeated, so the Soviets began to provide spare parts and ammunition. They later replaced complete vehicles and weapons in one-to-one exchanges.[15]
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France supported Iraq as the second greatest military supplier, and tended to supply higher-technology equipment than the Soviets.[16] Iraqi leaders were inclined to blame their Soviet-supplied equipment for failings rather than admit their own organizational and training problems. While Soviet equipment may have been inferior to others, it was effective when handled properly, but the Iraqis supplemented or replaced it with French equipment. The competition between France and the Soviet Union as an arms supplier was a continuing issue for Iraq. Iraq approached the French in late 1980 with requests to buy Crotale and Roland surface-to-air missile systems (SAMs) to augment their depleted Soviet SAM arsenal.
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Cordesman cites Jane's Defense Weekly[22] as reporting that the Soviet Union had to reschedule its satellite coverage during the more intense periods of tension between Iran and the West.[21] In November and December 1987, the Soviet Union lowered its Kosmos 1983 photo-reconnaissance IMINT satellite to monitor the battlefield between Iraq and Iran. Similarly, it altered the orbit of Kosmos 1985 in a way that implied it either had night coverage of the battlefield or was covering U.S. activity at Diego Garcia.[citation needed] There have been numerous reports that Iraq received intelligence from third countries, especially satellite imagery from the U.S.[23] The Jane's article suggests that the Soviets also might have provided imagery.
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In 1979, the Soviet Union supplied Iraq with 240 fixed-wing and helicopter aircraft, along with military advisors, initially stationed at as-Shoibiyah Air Base 45 km SW of Basra.[25] In early 1987, the Soviet Union delivered a squadron of twenty-four MiG-29 Fulcrums to Baghdad. Considered to be the most advanced Soviet fighter, the MiG-29 had previously only been provided to Yugoslavia, Syria and India. The MiG-29 export deal to Iraq gave a more advantageous payment schedule than any offered by the West: Iraq was caught in a financial crisis and needed the low-interest loans provided by the Soviet Union.
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The Iraqis were displeased with Soviet air-to-air missiles. Pakistani technicians were reported to have helped the Iraqis modify some MiG-21s to carry the French-made R550 Magic air-to-air missile. The Iraqis claimed to have used a MiG-21 so equipped to down an F-14.
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The Iraqi Navy numbered about 4,000 men and consisted of submarine chasers, patrol boats, missile boats, torpedo boats and minesweepers of Soviet, British and Yugoslavian origin.
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A raw, redacted CIA report suggested that the Iraqis used Soviet chemical defense equipment. (...) Iraqi army units of approximately 3,000 men had a 20-man chemical defense unit assigned. This unit was equipped with two "R469" chemical attack detectors; one RS-19, RS-12, or RS-14 vehicle for decontaminating weapons, buildings and roads; and two "DDA" vehicles for decontaminating soldiers. Smaller-units had one-man chemical defense units with a Soviet chemical attack detector and a German Kärcher pressure washer for decontaminating soldiers.
Individual soldiers had Soviet gas masks, and one of three types of chemical defense suits. "Number one" suits, which gave the greatest protection, were used only by chemical units. "Number two" suits covered the torso, hands and legs (in addition to the gas masks), and the "Number three" suits issued to troops consisted of long gloves. All received Yugoslav first-aid packets with two atropine injectors, "tablets for nuclear radiation", and two bottles for spot-cleaning unknown chemicals.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Poldi112 ::
USA jim je med drugim dala Anthrax. Za pesticide?
Ti si trdil, da je za zahod uporaba plina nedopustna. Zdaj se pa vlečeš ven, da USA ni bila edina?
Ti si trdil, da je za zahod uporaba plina nedopustna. Zdaj se pa vlečeš ven, da USA ni bila edina?
There have been numerous reports that Iraq received intelligence from third countries, especially satellite imagery from the U.S.[23] The Jane's article suggests that the Soviets also might have provided imagery.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
nsa_ag3nt ::
pacman
Potem je sirska izpostava cie/mi6 aka white helmets ravnala napak, ko je polivala otroke z vodo.
What happens to chlorine in the body?
When chlorine enters the body as a result of breathing, swallowing, or skin contact, it reacts with water to produce acids. The acids are corrosive and damage cells in the body on contact.
Potem je sirska izpostava cie/mi6 aka white helmets ravnala napak, ko je polivala otroke z vodo.
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five
Pac-Man ::
USA jim je med drugim dala Anthrax. Za pesticide?
"Dala anthrax."
Kupili so vzorce za namen izobraževanja.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn...
Iraq approached Porton Down in Britain for the Ames strain of the anthrax bacterium, said Dr Spertzel. "That [request] was fortunately denied," he said.
Iraq obtained much of its anthrax supply from the American Type Culture Collection. Between 1985 and 1989, it obtained at least 21 strains of anthrax from ATCC and about 15 other class III pathogens, the bacteria that pose an extreme risk to human health.
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This came as a shock, said Dr Spertzel, although he added that at that time the ATCC had a policy to supply laboratories with credible reputations. The anthrax strains were ordered by the University of Baghdad and then diverted to the bio-warfare effort.
ATCC (company) @ Wikipedia
ATCC or the American Type Culture Collection is a nonprofit organization which collects, stores, and distributes standard reference microorganisms, cell lines and other materials for research and development. Established in 1925 to serve as a national center for depositing and distributing microbiological specimens, ATCC has since grown to distribute in over 150 countries.
Ti si trdil, da je za zahod uporaba plina nedopustna. Zdaj se pa vlečeš ven, da USA ni bila edina?
Ne, ti si trdil, da so bile ZDA glavni Sadamov sponzor, kar je očitno netočno.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Pac-Man ()
Poldi112 ::
A, za izobraževanje so jim ga dali, potem pa vse ok. :)
Torej, če povzamem tvoje stališče (lahko da se motim, ampak ti ga kar hočeš in nočeš zavzeti glede USA):
Zahod ne tolerira uporabe bojnih strupov, razen kadar dobro zasluži s prodajo in kadar se jih uporablja za pobijanje nasprotnikov "zahodnih vrednot".
Ko ga "bojda" uporabi Assad, je pa to nesprejemljivo in upraviči napad na suvereno državo a.k.a. kršenje mednarodnega prava, ker "nekdo pač mora nekja narediti".
Torej, če povzamem tvoje stališče (lahko da se motim, ampak ti ga kar hočeš in nočeš zavzeti glede USA):
Zahod ne tolerira uporabe bojnih strupov, razen kadar dobro zasluži s prodajo in kadar se jih uporablja za pobijanje nasprotnikov "zahodnih vrednot".
Ko ga "bojda" uporabi Assad, je pa to nesprejemljivo in upraviči napad na suvereno državo a.k.a. kršenje mednarodnega prava, ker "nekdo pač mora nekja narediti".
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Poldi112 ()
nsa_ag3nt ::
Kam spada uporaba obogatenega streliva z osiromašenim uranom, ki ga porablja npr. A10 thunderbolt 2 ?
ZA boljše gnojenje zmelje, approved by Monsanto ?
ZA boljše gnojenje zmelje, approved by Monsanto ?
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five
Poldi112 ::
Ne, ti si trdil, da so bile ZDA glavni Sadamov sponzor, kar je očitno netočno.
Nope, nikjer nisem rekel glavni. Jaz zgolj izpostavljam hinavščino zahoda, ko pravi, da so bojni strupi nedovoljeni, medtem ko jih sam veselo uporablja.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
s1m0n ::
Pac-Man ::
Če si akreditirana univerza, se ti marsikaj dovoli, ker se nekako smatra, da si pozitivni akter. Tudi CA je do zasebnih podatkov FB uporabnikov prišla preko akademske izjeme.
Je tako težko razumet, da lahko ena entiteta sprejme tako pozitivne kot negativne odločitve? Kritiziraj negativno in hvali pozitivno. ZDA (in lep del sveta) so ga v primeru Iraka lepo usrali. Pri sirskem kemičnem programu so na pravi strani.
Corbyn je bil v primeru zaplinjenih Kurdov pozitiven akter. Ko par desetletij kasneje kemikalije meče Assad je potuhnjena pizda.
http://www.meri-k.org/publication/realp...
Saturday, 16 March, is the 27th anniversary of the holocaust of Halabja, when over 5000 Kurds were killed and over 10,000 injured by Iraq’s chemical attacks. These attacks were part of the Anfal operations of 1987-8, which is now recognised by the British, Swedish and Norwegian Parliaments as an act of genocide.
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I was among many human right activists, lobbying in the UK to mobilise public opinion, press western leaders for action and secure help for the victims. With colleagues at the British Working Party on Chemical and Biological Weapons, and the Kurdish Scientific and Medical Association, we gathered data, produced scientific evidence and communicated our findings.
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Our lobbying campaign faced stiff opposition from both the East and West. Mrs M. Thatcher’s Conservative Government in the UK and Mr R. Reagan’s administration in the USA were simply not interested in news of the genocide, and at times even hindered our efforts.
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Despite barriers, the chemical attacks in Kurdistan aroused public concern in the west. However, Eastern and Middle Eastern governments accused the Kurds and the international media of lying. The Soviet Union failed to comment on the tragedy and condemned the western media for publicising the gas attacks, calling it ‘American propaganda’ against sovereign Iraq, based on no evidence. Most of the Arab states failed to express any humanitarian concern and some of them, such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt strongly defended Saddam before the UN’s Security Council members.
We, a delegation of Kurdish activists along with three British Labour MPs (headed by Jeremy Corbyn), visited the Foreign Office and Embassies of the Security Council member states in London. We first met William Waldegrave (then Foreign Minister) who sympathised with the Kurds but was not prepared to go beyond expressing concern to the Iraqis, behind closed doors. Russian diplomats in London reacted angrily to our concerns over their country’s military support to Saddam and his chemical weapons programmes (knowingly or not). In parallel to our visits, the ambassadors of Kuwait (Mr Ghazy Al-Rayes) and Saudi Arabia (Mr Sheikh Nasser Almanquor) joined their Iraq counterpart (Mr Sadiq Al-Mashat) on a visit to Mr. Waldegrave, condemning the British media coverage and Britain’s campaign against Iraq, encouraging the British Government to disbelieve Kurdish claims about the use of chemical weapons.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Poldi112 ::
Itak, prava stran je tista, ki mimo OZN napade suvereno državo.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Pac-Man ::
In kaj bi ti storil ob sirski uporabi kemičnega orožja?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Samuel ::
Ne, ti si trdil, da so bile ZDA glavni Sadamov sponzor, kar je očitno netočno.
Nope, nikjer nisem rekel glavni. Jaz zgolj izpostavljam hinavščino zahoda, ko pravi, da so bojni strupi nedovoljeni, medtem ko jih sam veselo uporablja.
In katere bojne strupe uporablja zahod?
Po katerem sporazumu je osiromašen uran bojni strup?
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
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Fritz ::
Kam spada uporaba obogatenega streliva z osiromašenim uranom, ki ga porablja npr. A10 thunderbolt 2 ?
ZA boljše gnojenje zmelje, approved by Monsanto ?
Osiromašen uran ni bojni strup temveč nizko-radioaktivna in delno toksična kovina. Obstajajo indici, da je škodljiv, še posebej, ko se izstrelki z OU pri zadetku spremenijo v prašne delce, ki se potem nabirajo v okolju in organizmih, vendar, kolikor mi je znano, zadeva ni ustrezno raziskana in ni ustreznih zaključkov. Ni prepovedan s kakšnimi konvencijami.
Tukaj je študija iz 2015:
http://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/7/4/4063/...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Poldi112 ::
In kaj bi ti storil ob sirski uporabi kemičnega orožja?
Spoštoval mednarodno pravo? Kaj pa narediš, ko sodnik ne prisodi tebi v prid? Rečeš "Ne priznavam ta sud?"
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Pac-Man ::
Sodnik (OPCW) je okrivil Sirijo. Namesto, da bi ustanovili mednarodno sodišče kot v primeru Jugoslavije, je dala Rusija veto.
Khan Shaykhun chemical attack @ Wikipedia
On 6 September 2017, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic concluded that a Syrian Arab Air Force aircraft was responsible for dropping the sarin during the attack.[2] This finding was confirmed in a report released on 26 October 2017 by the OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism.
Kdo lahko da veto na meni neljube sodniške odločitve?
Khan Shaykhun chemical attack @ Wikipedia
On 6 September 2017, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic concluded that a Syrian Arab Air Force aircraft was responsible for dropping the sarin during the attack.[2] This finding was confirmed in a report released on 26 October 2017 by the OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism.
Kdo lahko da veto na meni neljube sodniške odločitve?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Poldi112 ::
Par velikih velesil? Jebi ga, sistem je daleč od idealnega, ampak še vedno daleč bolje od alternative, ki jo zagovarjaš ti.
OPCW pa mislim da še ni dal končne ocene. Je pa to irelevantno, ker ne glede na ugotovitve, nima nihče pravice posredovati brez odobritve OZN.
Saj sem napisal, v Iraško Iranski vojni so USA omogočile Saddadmu uporabo plina nad Iranom s tem, ko so mu posredovale koordinate, kam naj strelja. Pa bel fosfor Izraela je tudi prepovedan.
Osiromašen uran je pa ena taka zadeva, da je vsem jasno, da pohablja otroke, ampak ker ga uporablja USA je kosher. Jasno da ni sila raziskav, so pa jasni vzorci pohabljenih novorojenčkov po vseh terenih, ker usa "širi demokracijo".
Legalno, a hudo nemoralno.
OPCW pa mislim da še ni dal končne ocene. Je pa to irelevantno, ker ne glede na ugotovitve, nima nihče pravice posredovati brez odobritve OZN.
Ne, ti si trdil, da so bile ZDA glavni Sadamov sponzor, kar je očitno netočno.
Nope, nikjer nisem rekel glavni. Jaz zgolj izpostavljam hinavščino zahoda, ko pravi, da so bojni strupi nedovoljeni, medtem ko jih sam veselo uporablja.
In katere bojne strupe uporablja zahod?
Po katerem sporazumu je osiromašen uran bojni strup?
Saj sem napisal, v Iraško Iranski vojni so USA omogočile Saddadmu uporabo plina nad Iranom s tem, ko so mu posredovale koordinate, kam naj strelja. Pa bel fosfor Izraela je tudi prepovedan.
Osiromašen uran je pa ena taka zadeva, da je vsem jasno, da pohablja otroke, ampak ker ga uporablja USA je kosher. Jasno da ni sila raziskav, so pa jasni vzorci pohabljenih novorojenčkov po vseh terenih, ker usa "širi demokracijo".
Legalno, a hudo nemoralno.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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nsa_ag3nt ::
In kaj bi ti storil ob sirski uporabi kemičnega orožja?
Kot je rekel IJJ, to so vaše domneve.
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five
Pac-Man ::
Saj sem napisal, v Iraško Iranski vojni so USA omogočile Saddadmu uporabo plina nad Iranom s tem, ko so mu posredovale koordinate, kam naj strelja.
Ni bilo posebne potrebe po koordinatah.
Iran je napadal v valovih. Pogosto so čez minska polja najprej poslali (tudi) mladoletne študente in učence, kot deminerje za enkratno uporabo. Nato je sledila oborožena masa.
@23:20
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Poldi112 ::
Zanikaš dejstvo, da so USA pomagale pri targetiranju ali ne? Vse ostalo je mutenje.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Samuel ::
Saj sem napisal, v Iraško Iranski vojni so USA omogočile Saddadmu uporabo plina nad Iranom s tem, ko so mu posredovale koordinate, kam naj strelja. Pa bel fosfor Izraela je tudi prepovedan.
Osiromašen uran je pa ena taka zadeva, da je vsem jasno, da pohablja otroke, ampak ker ga uporablja USA je kosher. Jasno da ni sila raziskav, so pa jasni vzorci pohabljenih novorojenčkov po vseh terenih, ker usa "širi demokracijo".
Legalno, a hudo nemoralno.
Torej ga je uporabljal Sadam, ne Zahod. 30 let nazaj. Močno dvomim, da je to sploh res, pa pišeš tudi v sedanjiku, kot da se to dogaja danes.
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nsa_ag3nt ::
http://www.politifact.com/john-kerry-sy...
2014 je Kerry večkrat izjavil, da v Sirji več kemičnega orožja ni.
a) je lagal
b) ga res ni in so Zahodni napadi samo priročen izgovor
2014 je Kerry večkrat izjavil, da v Sirji več kemičnega orožja ni.
a) je lagal
b) ga res ni in so Zahodni napadi samo priročen izgovor
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five
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Poldi112 ::
Saj sem napisal, v Iraško Iranski vojni so USA omogočile Saddadmu uporabo plina nad Iranom s tem, ko so mu posredovale koordinate, kam naj strelja. Pa bel fosfor Izraela je tudi prepovedan.
Osiromašen uran je pa ena taka zadeva, da je vsem jasno, da pohablja otroke, ampak ker ga uporablja USA je kosher. Jasno da ni sila raziskav, so pa jasni vzorci pohabljenih novorojenčkov po vseh terenih, ker usa "širi demokracijo".
Legalno, a hudo nemoralno.
Torej ga je uporabljal Sadam, ne Zahod. 30 let nazaj. Močno dvomim, da je to sploh res, pa pišeš tudi v sedanjiku, kot da se to dogaja danes.
Dvomov tu ni. Še zahodni mediji o tem poročajo. Vse kar rabiš je 5 min časa in google. Ti pa predlagam, da si ga ne vzameš, da se ti ne bo porušila iluzija, katere se tako krčevito oklepaš.
Poncij Pilat je po tvoje tudi nedolžen, saj ni ročno postavil križa in pribil Jezusa gor?
Bel fosfor je Izrael uporabljal 2008. So USA raketirale Izrael? So ga vsaj okarale?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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MadMicka ::
nsa_ag3nt, a ti vidiš samo te dve možnosti? Lahko se je motil, lahko je tedaj to bilo res, pa so v zadnjih štirih letih zopet sproducirali kemično orožje, lahko je marsikaj. Ampak, da bolj bolano in sprevrženo, da zaupaš Putinu in ruski oblasti, ki je pobijala novinarje, gospodarstvenike, uničila opozicijo, pa res ne more biti, prokleti bolniki.
Mr.B ::
Ostale debate so na nivoju Zoki vs JJ.
In the end, these "formal" strikes against Syria were the optimal solution for both countries to ease tension around the situation with chemical weapons in Douma. Moscow retained the status quo in Syria, and Washington formally fulfilled its promise and took a "principled" position.
In the end, these "formal" strikes against Syria were the optimal solution for both countries to ease tension around the situation with chemical weapons in Douma. Moscow retained the status quo in Syria, and Washington formally fulfilled its promise and took a "principled" position.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
c3p0 ::
https://twitter.com/THE_47th/status/985...
Nice catch! the video that Assad media posted showing Assad walking to his office at 9am was not taken that morning.
To je magično klorovo drevo, ali kaj je point posta? Dodaj vsaj kak stavek.
Promo posnetki na gimbalu morajo biti posneti isti dan objave?
Vazelin ::
Mi lahko nekdo pove zakaj bi amerika za končni cilj imela nek Iran, ki tako ali tako samo čaka, da sam od sebe ne eksplodira. Nova generacija ne bo trpela unih muftijev na oblasti. to sem prepričan. slej ali prej bo počilo v Iranu
Poldi112 ::
Izgleda so USA v Iraški vojni metale bel fosfor in napalm:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl...
A bo to v redu, Samuel? Ali je tudi 15 let nazaj preveč in tega danes ziher ne delajo več?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl...
A bo to v redu, Samuel? Ali je tudi 15 let nazaj preveč in tega danes ziher ne delajo več?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
leiito ::
nsa_ag3nt, a ti vidiš samo te dve možnosti? Lahko se je motil, lahko je tedaj to bilo res, pa so v zadnjih štirih letih zopet sproducirali kemično orožje, lahko je marsikaj. Ampak, da bolj bolano in sprevrženo, da zaupaš Putinu in ruski oblasti, ki je pobijala novinarje, gospodarstvenike, uničila opozicijo, pa res ne more biti, prokleti bolniki.
Lani ob tem času je bila identična situacija, ZDA objavijo, da menjava režima v Siriji ni več cilj, sledi kemični napad, sledi ameriški napad, letos potem Mattis prizna, da nimajo dokazov, da je napad izvedel Assad. Valjda toliko kritičnega razmišljanja premoreš, da dopuščaš vsaj možnost, da je napad izvedel kdo drug, ki je imel, enako kot lani, za razliko od Assada dejanski motiv.
Pac-Man ::
https://twitter.com/THE_47th/status/985...
Nice catch! the video that Assad media posted showing Assad walking to his office at 9am was not taken that morning.
To je magično klorovo drevo, ali kaj je point posta? Dodaj vsaj kak stavek.
Promo posnetki na gimbalu morajo biti posneti isti dan objave?
9 zjutraj ni poldne. Kaj več jasno?
Ideja je bila "Vse je normalno, Ljubljeni Vodja se je po bombardiranju mirno odpravil na delo." So tudi neke špekulacije, da so ga sredi tedna z družino evakuirali v Iran.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Lani ob tem času je bila identična situacija, ZDA objavijo, da menjava režima v Siriji ni več cilj, sledi kemični napad, sledi ameriški napad, letos potem Mattis prizna, da nimajo dokazov, da je napad izvedel Assad. Valjda toliko kritičnega razmišljanja premoreš, da dopuščaš vsaj možnost, da je napad izvedel kdo drug, ki je imel, enako kot lani, za razliko od Assada dejanski motiv.
Za napad aprila 2017, po katerem so bombardirali letališče, so imeli dokaze. To so kasneje potrdili tudi ZN in OPCW. Manjkalo jim je dokazov za nekatere druge (potencialne) primere uporabe kemičnega orožja, kjer ni bilo kazenskih bombardiranj.
O tem sva že govorila. Ampak ker si agitprop trol z IQjem manjšim od dolžine kurca v cm, se vrtimo v nekih brezveznih krogih.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Samuel ::
Dvomov tu ni. Še zahodni mediji o tem poročajo. Vse kar rabiš je 5 min časa in google. Ti pa predlagam, da si ga ne vzameš, da se ti ne bo porušila iluzija, katere se tako krčevito oklepaš.
Jaz tega ne bom iskal. Gor sem ti navedel Južno Korejo, Japonsko in Vzhodno Evropo glede ameriškega širjenja demokracije pa si samo zavezal gobec. Dobro veš, da če ljudje v državi nočejo sprememb, ko dobijo šanso, potem je vse zastonj (dober primer je Kosovo).
Bel fosfor je Izrael uporabljal 2008. So USA raketirale Izrael? So ga vsaj okarale?
Beli fosfor smo videli tudi v Siriji.
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Pac-Man ::
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
leiito ::
Lani ob tem času je bila identična situacija, ZDA objavijo, da menjava režima v Siriji ni več cilj, sledi kemični napad, sledi ameriški napad, letos potem Mattis prizna, da nimajo dokazov, da je napad izvedel Assad. Valjda toliko kritičnega razmišljanja premoreš, da dopuščaš vsaj možnost, da je napad izvedel kdo drug, ki je imel, enako kot lani, za razliko od Assada dejanski motiv.
Za napad aprila 2017, po katerem so bombardirali letališče, so imeli dokaze. To so kasneje potrdili tudi ZN in OPCW. Manjkalo jim je dokazov za nekatere druge (potencialne) primere uporabe kemičnega orožja, kjer ni bilo kazenskih bombardiranj.
O tem sva že govorila. Ampak ker si agitprop trol z IQjem manjšim od dolžine kurca v cm, se vrtimo v nekih brezveznih krogih.
"both the 2017 event in Khan Sheikhoun and the 2013 tragedy in Ghouta are unsolved cases in the eyes of the Defense Department and Defense Intelligence Agency"
https://apnews.com/bd533182b7f244a4b771...
http://www.newsweek.com/now-mattis-admi...
Poldi112 ::
Dvomov tu ni. Še zahodni mediji o tem poročajo. Vse kar rabiš je 5 min časa in google. Ti pa predlagam, da si ga ne vzameš, da se ti ne bo porušila iluzija, katere se tako krčevito oklepaš.
Jaz tega ne bom iskal. Gor sem ti navedel Južno Korejo, Japonsko in Vzhodno Evropo glede ameriškega širjenja demokracije pa si samo zavezal gobec. Dobro veš, da če ljudje v državi nočejo sprememb, ko dobijo šanso, potem je vse zastonj (dober primer je Kosovo).
Bel fosfor je Izrael uporabljal 2008. So USA raketirale Izrael? So ga vsaj okarale?
Beli fosfor smo videli tudi v Siriji.
Itak, da ne boš iskal, zaril boš glavo v pesek in naprej poslušno trobil propagandne floskule zahoda.
Ja, J. Koreja in Japonska sta demokraciji. Ampak to nikakor ne negira mojih argumentov, kar je bil razlog, da nisem odgovarjal.
Nosorogu v afriki je jasno, da politika USA ni širjenje demokracije, ampak primarno širjenje trgov ni vpliva. Še celo v njihovi javni nacionalni strategiji jasno povedo, da jim je cilj ostali edina velesila. Zdaj če ti tega ne verjameš prav, na dejstva to nikakor ne vpliva.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Pac-Man ::
AP pravi točno to, kar trdim sam, Wilkie je pa še en z IQ-jem manjšim od dolžine kurca v cm.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/20...
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/20...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
leiito ::
Lani ob tem času je bila identična situacija, ZDA objavijo, da menjava režima v Siriji ni več cilj, sledi kemični napad, sledi ameriški napad, letos potem Mattis prizna, da nimajo dokazov, da je napad izvedel Assad. Valjda toliko kritičnega razmišljanja premoreš, da dopuščaš vsaj možnost, da je napad izvedel kdo drug, ki je imel, enako kot lani, za razliko od Assada dejanski motiv.
Za napad aprila 2017, po katerem so bombardirali letališče, so imeli dokaze. To so kasneje potrdili tudi ZN in OPCW. Manjkalo jim je dokazov za nekatere druge (potencialne) primere uporabe kemičnega orožja, kjer ni bilo kazenskih bombardiranj.
O tem sva že govorila. Ampak ker si agitprop trol z IQjem manjšim od dolžine kurca v cm, se vrtimo v nekih brezveznih krogih.
a lahko linkaš kje OPCW navaja dokaze, da je bila Ghouta 17 delo Assada?
Pac-Man ::
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Samuel ::
Itak, da ne boš iskal, zaril boš glavo v pesek in naprej poslušno trobil propagandne floskule zahoda.
Ja, J. Koreja in Japonska sta demokraciji. Ampak to nikakor ne negira mojih argumentov, kar je bil razlog, da nisem odgovarjal.
Tvoji argumenti so bulšit. Obstaja veliko uspešnih primerov zahodnega širjenja demokracije in nobenega ruskega. A to te prav nič ne zanima?? Ne???? Še enkrat, če prebivalci države nočejo sprememb in delajo isto še naprej, potem se vse skupaj izjalovi. Postavljanje raznih diktatorjev je pa PREDVSEM stvar Hladne vojne in obe državi sta tega šli.
Nosorogu v afriki je jasno, da politika USA ni širjenje demokracije, ampak primarno širjenje trgov ni vpliva. Še celo v njihovi javni nacionalni strategiji jasno povedo, da jim je cilj ostali edina velesila. Zdaj če ti tega ne verjameš prav, na dejstva to nikakor ne vpliva.
trolololololo .. kje piše, da hočejo ostati edina velesila?! Kaka buča neumna.
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leiito ::
Khan Shaykhun.
Tu imaš, 78 strani:
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/Fac...
Report se ukvarja samo s tem, ali je napad bil ali ne, nikjer ne trdi, da je zanj kriv Assad. Niti, kolikor razumem, nimajo mandata ugotavljati kdo je kriv.
Sicer že napad 2013 kaže, da "zmerneži" znajo narest sarin po receptu z interneta:
The sarin was of low quality and contained impurities that indicate it was likely produced underground and not in a military plant
The evidence:
The UN reported finding multiple chemical impurities, indicating failures in the sarin production process.
Two of the impurities are directly indicative of low-budget underground production.
Eyewitness accounts are near unanimous in their reports of strong odors, whereas pure sarin is odorless.
The UN report found no indication of chemical stabilizers in their samples, which are often used in military-produced nerve agents.
Syria has an advanced chemical warfare program, which can be assumed to produce high quality agents.
All evidence and more details here and here.
A video leaked by an anonymous source associates Liwa Al-Islam (a Jihadist rebel faction) with a rocket attack that is likely related to the chemical attack
Evidence the video depicts a Liwa Al-Islam attack:
The cameraman describes it as such.
Liwa Al-Islam flags are seen on the launcher.
Evidence the attack in the video is related to the chemical attack
The time reported in the video is the night of the attack.
The video contains several indications of its location, which could only be matched to the real location of the attack.
The video shows three UMLACA launches.
The fighters are wearing gas masks.
The video is unlikely to be a fabrication, since it is very ineffective as propaganda, specifically:
The video quality is very poor, making it unusable for mass media distribution.
The specific launches documented in the video are on regime forces, and on different neighborhoods (not Zamalka).
The videos show a Howitzer canon being used, which was never associated with the chemical attack before.
The videos were leaked nearly 4 weeks after the attack, when the risk of military intervention already subsided.
http://whoghouta.blogspot.si/2013/11/th...
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