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Samuel ::

konspirator je izjavil:

Ja, nekaj Mossad/KSA/ZDA kuha(jo) v Iranu.


Vežde ja. Vojne stanejo. To se potem prenese na prebivalstvo.

"Predictably they are blaming anti-revolutionary elements and foreign agents. But the protests clearly stem from seething discontent in Iran, mainly because of the worsening economic conditions faced by ordinary Iranians.

A BBC Persian investigation has found that Iranians, on average, have become 15% poorer in the past ten years alone.

Many believe that money that should be used to improve their lives is being spent by Iran's leaders on conflicts in Syria, Yemen and Iraq. Billions are also being spent on spreading religious propaganda and Shia Islam around the world."
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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Enak disclaimer kot zgoraj, spominja na verižno reakcijo.

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee

Breaking: Large number of officers in at-least six independent armoured Brigades of Iranian Army Ground Force, and two Army Aviation Bases in #Qazvin, #Ahwaz, #Kermanshah, #Isfahan, #Mashhad & #Quchan are ready to confront #IRGC if they brutally suppress Iranian people protests


I heard this today from my military friends in Kermanshah but couldn't believe that, Now I have heard more reports on this.

Bassij militia is now ordered to brutally suppress protests of Iranian people. In this video they break windows of buildings and glasses of the shops by throwing rocks to scare people.

Protests in Qom, top religious city of Iran are now out of control of security forces, people are moving toward houses of famous Shia clerics aka Akhoonds or Mullahs who they believe are involved in Islamic regime's financial corruptions.

Breaking: Anti-riot unit of Police and Bassij militia started brutally suppressing peaceful protest of Iranian people in Rasht. Khamenei, the dictator supreme leader just issued the order now.

Bassij militia attacked peaceful protest of Iranian people in Sabzevar. People burnt their base in response.
Students of Kharazmi university in Tehran began their protest against Islamic regime at their residence.

BREAKING: #IRGC Special unit (Police anti-riot force consisted of IRGC officers) fired at people of #Ahwaz who were protesting #Iran's Islamic regime authorities in support of yesterday protests of people of #Mashhad.

Pa si preveril, da to ni ameriški fake twixi account.
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Tarzan ::

Kako predvidljivo. Na vsak način hočejo doseči, da se bi v Iran vtaknili združeni narodi. Sami si američani več ne upajo srati po bližnjem vzhodu, še posebej ne v Iranu.
Upam, da uredijo te zadeve na kulturen način in da lepo pozaprejo agitatorje in tuje vohune.

SimplyMiha ::

Zgleda da Soroš še fila vedro tik preden ga brcne.

Pac-Man ::

pozor, zgoraj je koncentriran idiotizem

Nič ne rečem, možno da kdo priliva olje na ogenj, ampak lepo bi bilo, da imate z obtožbami kaj pokazati. Tako pa samo nabijate na slepo ter Irancem odvzemate vso agencijo.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Več kot karkoli iz RT ali Sputnika, kjer se vse ustavi pri (neargumentiranih) obrožbah in nabijanju PR pik za mati Rusijo.

The failing NYT:

https://twitter.com/malachybrowne/statu...

For more than half a year, @babimarcolini and I have worked with tipsters in Italy and Yemen to follow bombs made in Sardinia to Saudi's Air Force and attacks on civilians in #Yemen.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/mid...
The story combines Facebook videos and satellite images, Twitter photos and vessel trackers. We worked with professional photographers and drone operators, Yemeni activists, former employees and shipping insiders. The story is a glimpse inside the shadowy workings of the global arms trade. It builds on a 2015 story I did at @reportedly (now offline) and reveals a huge increase in bomb sales that can now trace directly to civilian deaths.

Thanks to @cotti5stelle, @kkvignarca, @MAURO_PILI, @beretta_g and @Lorenzo_Bagnoli in Italy, @AhmadAlgohbary and @mwatanaen in Yemen, @MarineTraffic @FlightRadar24 @SIPRIorg @Omega_RF @ECCHRBerlin @Storyful, @johnismay Doris Burke at NYT and unnamed others.
Saudi airstrikes on a market and a farm in Yemen killed at least 68 civilians on Tuesday. This kind of strike what experts say constitutes a human rights violation, warrants an arms embargo on Saudi and renders ongoing exports illegal
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/worl...
Deputy Editor of La Repubblica, Gianluca Di Feo says Italy's government should "admit a serious mistake" in arming Saudi Arabia
https://twitter.com/RepubblicaTv/status...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

7tom1ja ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

pozor, zgoraj je koncentriran idiotizem

Nič ne rečem, možno da kdo priliva olje na ogenj, ampak lepo bi bilo, da imate z obtožbami kaj pokazati. Tako pa samo nabijate na slepo ter Irancem odvzemate vso agencijo.



he he, nič ne rečeš, no lepo vsaj malo napredka, v kratkem lahko pričakujemo vladne sniperje, ki streljajo na lastno prebivalstvo; vse se je začelo, ko so zaprli nekaj otrok, ki so pisali grafite po stenah,.... kajne....

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/94...
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

pozor, zgoraj je koncentriran idiotizem

Nič ne rečem, možno da kdo priliva olje na ogenj, ampak lepo bi bilo, da imate z obtožbami kaj pokazati. Tako pa samo nabijate na slepo ter Irancem odvzemate vso agencijo.


A zato ker ti ne dvomiš Twixi računom, ki pišejo to kar se tibi zdi relano.
Aja sej ti tega niti ne moeš vedet, ker do sedaj nisi pri vseh bajnih komentarjih uspel napisati niti enega lastnega mnenja. Razen seveda žaljiv. Kar je tipično sledenje nekim standardnim vzorcem obnašanja.
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Pac-Man ::

V zgornjih sporočilih se lahko najde Mossad/KSA/ZDA, ameriške fake twixi accounte in Sorosa, kot odgovorne za proteste v Iranu. Brez enega pametnega argumenta ali dokaza, zakaj.

In nato mi očitaš "sledenje nekim standardnim vzorcem obnašanja".

Ha ha ha, lepo so vas sprogramirali.

7tom1ja je izjavil:

he he, nič ne rečeš, no lepo vsaj malo napredka, v kratkem lahko pričakujemo vladne sniperje, ki streljajo na lastno prebivalstvo; vse se je začelo, ko so zaprli nekaj otrok, ki so pisali grafite po stenah,.... kajne....

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/94...


Enak idiot kot ti. Iranskim državljanom odvzema vso agencijo in motivacijo za izboljšanje lastnega stanja.

Zagotovo so CIA/NATO/Soros agenti, drugega ne more bit. Normalni Perzijci se vsekakor nismo zmožni potegnit zase, taka rasa beta cuckholdov.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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7tom1ja ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

V zgornjih sporočilih se lahko najde Mossad/KSA/ZDA, ameriške fake twixi accounte in Sorosa, kot odgovorne za proteste v Iranu. Brez enega pametnega argumenta ali dokaza, zakaj.

In nato mi očitaš "sledenje nekim standardnim vzorcem obnašanja".

Ha ha ha, lepo so vas sprogramirali.

7tom1ja je izjavil:

he he, nič ne rečeš, no lepo vsaj malo napredka, v kratkem lahko pričakujemo vladne sniperje, ki streljajo na lastno prebivalstvo; vse se je začelo, ko so zaprli nekaj otrok, ki so pisali grafite po stenah,.... kajne....

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/94...


Enak idiot kot ti. Iranskim državljanom odvzema vso agencijo in motivacijo za izboljšanje lastnega stanja.

Zagotovo so CIA/NATO/Soros agenti, drugega ne more bit. Normalni Perzijci se vsekakor nismo zmožni potegnit zase, taka rasa beta cuckholdov.


Zagotovo, idiot; vsekakor ste se "vi" perzijci sposobni potegniti zase, kot ste to storili leta 53 z izvolitvijo dr. Mosaddegha.
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

7tom1ja ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

V zgornjih sporočilih se lahko najde Mossad/KSA/ZDA, ameriške fake twixi accounte in Sorosa, kot odgovorne za proteste v Iranu. Brez enega pametnega argumenta ali dokaza, zakaj.

In nato mi očitaš "sledenje nekim standardnim vzorcem obnašanja".

Ha ha ha, lepo so vas sprogramirali
.

7tom1ja je izjavil:

he he, nič ne rečeš, no lepo vsaj malo napredka, v kratkem lahko pričakujemo vladne sniperje, ki streljajo na lastno prebivalstvo; vse se je začelo, ko so zaprli nekaj otrok, ki so pisali grafite po stenah,.... kajne....

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/94...


Enak idiot kot ti. Iranskim državljanom odvzema vso agencijo in motivacijo za izboljšanje lastnega stanja.

Zagotovo so CIA/NATO/Soros agenti, drugega ne more bit. Normalni Perzijci se vsekakor nismo zmožni potegnit zase, taka rasa beta cuckholdov.


edino "sledenje nekim standardnim vzorcem obnašanja" bo; Iranska vlada strelja na lastne ljudi, US mora "pomagati"
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

7982884e ::

hehe, proruski troli ne morejo prenesti nobenega protesta v drzavah clanicah osi-dobrih. ceprav je za iran ze iz aviona jasno, da trenutna islamisticna vladavina in 80-letni bradati starcki v turbanih niso kompatibilni z vecinsko mladim in precej liberalnim/sekularnim prebivalstvom.

vse manj zensk nosi hidzabe, a to je tudi delo CIE? so ciini agenti sli mal po iranu in talali 10 dolarjev za vsak odstranjen hidzab?

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Tarzan ::

Preden so šli američani skupaj z britanci tja delat štalo, so bili precej sekularni in še za zdajšnje zahodne standarde napredni. Ko so jih pahnili v islamsko revolucijo so postali malo manj, še vedno pa svetlobna leta pred raznimi talibani, ISIS, KSA, in podobnimi tiči. Iran na zahodu poznamo izključno na podlagi zahodne propagande v medijih, kdor gre tja, se lahko na lastne oči prepriča, da si to državo predstavljamo popolnoma napačno.

Samuel ::

Demonstracije proti vladam se dogajajo tudi v zahodni Evropi, pa nobenemu ne pade na pamet, da so delo CIE in ne vem koga še. Zakaj se demonstracije ne bi dogajale v bistveno bolj zaostalih državah?? Folk je bistveno bolj informiran kot desetletja nazaj in hoče več svobode, pravic etc.
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Mr.B ::

Samuel je izjavil:

Demonstracije proti vladam se dogajajo tudi v zahodni Evropi, pa nobenemu ne pade na pamet, da so delo CIE in ne vem koga še. Zakaj se demonstracije ne bi dogajale v bistveno bolj zaostalih državah?? Folk je bistveno bolj informiran kot desetletja nazaj in hoče več svobode, pravic etc.

Samo potem je to v nasprotju s prikazano zahodno sliko. Sicer lahko par irancev v sluzbi povprasam pa ena perzika je tudi. Vsi so sicer bolj ali manj nekosmati:)).
Drugace pa slika natalitete kaze naprednost naroda. Je nekako brez tezav na nivoju zahoda.
In da tudi v vzhodnih drzavah se dogajajo protesti, pac politiki se za mali dnar prostituirajo.
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Pac-Man ::

Tarzan je izjavil:

Preden so šli američani skupaj z britanci tja delat štalo, so bili precej sekularni in še za zdajšnje zahodne standarde napredni. Ko so jih pahnili v islamsko revolucijo so postali malo manj, še vedno pa svetlobna leta pred raznimi talibani, ISIS, KSA, in podobnimi tiči. Iran na zahodu poznamo izključno na podlagi zahodne propagande v medijih, kdor gre tja, se lahko na lastne oči prepriča, da si to državo predstavljamo popolnoma napačno.


Američani in Britanci so delali štalo leta 1953.

Islamska revolucija je l. 1979 sesula, kar so takrat nastavili in postavila to, kar imamo sedaj.

TS;DR

Sekularen režim, ki ga tako hvališ, je bil posledica CIA meddlinga.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

7982884e ::

Tarzan je izjavil:

Preden so šli američani skupaj z britanci tja delat štalo, so bili precej sekularni in še za zdajšnje zahodne standarde napredni. Ko so jih pahnili v islamsko revolucijo so postali malo manj, še vedno pa svetlobna leta pred raznimi talibani, ISIS, KSA, in podobnimi tiči. Iran na zahodu poznamo izključno na podlagi zahodne propagande v medijih, kdor gre tja, se lahko na lastne oči prepriča, da si to državo predstavljamo popolnoma napačno.

spet te bucke, lol. americani so podpirali diktatorskega saha, ki je bil precej sekularen. v bistvu je v navzkriz s siiti, ki so kasneje zakurili revolucijo, prisel na racun svoje sekularnosti.
po padcu saha se je zacela islamska revolucija.

tako da ce ze moras za nekaj obtozevati dezurne wrongdoerje na svetu, jih obtozi za podpiranje diktatorja (ker takrat je seveda povsod drugod bila demokracija, sploh v tisti regiji), ne pa za islamizem, ki se je, tako kot ob zadnji arabski pomladi, pojavil kot odgovor.

SimplyMiha ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

pozor, zgoraj je koncentriran idiotizem

Nič ne rečem, možno da kdo priliva olje na ogenj, ampak lepo bi bilo, da imate z obtožbami kaj pokazati. Tako pa samo nabijate na slepo ter Irancem odvzemate vso agencijo.


Pozor, zgoraj je koncentrirana ignoranca.

Ma ne, to se je že dolgo pričakovalo. Soros je pognal korenine globoko v organizacijah, ki zdaj stojijo za temi protesti. To smo vedeli že leta 2009.

Iran's Fear Of A George Soros-Funded "Velvet Revolution"

Skratka, kjer so protivladni protesti, je neizogibno vpleten Soros. Tako deluje, tako je destabiliziral Ukrajino, kar je privedlo do državljanske vojne, tako poskuša sedaj destabilizirati tudi Iran.

7tom1ja ::

7982884e je izjavil:

hehe, proruski troli ne morejo prenesti nobenega protesta v drzavah clanicah osi-dobrih. ceprav je za iran ze iz aviona jasno, da trenutna islamisticna vladavina in 80-letni bradati starcki v turbanih niso kompatibilni z vecinsko mladim in precej liberalnim/sekularnim prebivalstvom.

vse manj zensk nosi hidzabe, a to je tudi delo CIE? so ciini agenti sli mal po iranu in talali 10 dolarjev za vsak odstranjen hidzab?


se pravi logika pro amero trola je, da se Iran modernizira sam od sebe; shocking
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

7982884e ::

hahaha, ja, res, sokantno, kdo bi verjel, drzava kjer vecina mladih ni islamisticnih, kjer mlade zenske izven javnosti redko nosijo rute, se MODERNIZIRA, breaking news!

7tom1ja ::

7982884e je izjavil:

Tarzan je izjavil:

Preden so šli američani skupaj z britanci tja delat štalo, so bili precej sekularni in še za zdajšnje zahodne standarde napredni. Ko so jih pahnili v islamsko revolucijo so postali malo manj, še vedno pa svetlobna leta pred raznimi talibani, ISIS, KSA, in podobnimi tiči. Iran na zahodu poznamo izključno na podlagi zahodne propagande v medijih, kdor gre tja, se lahko na lastne oči prepriča, da si to državo predstavljamo popolnoma napačno.

spet te bucke, lol. americani so podpirali diktatorskega saha, ki je bil precej sekularen. v bistvu je v navzkriz s siiti, ki so kasneje zakurili revolucijo, prisel na racun svoje sekularnosti.
po padcu saha se je zacela islamska revolucija.

tako da ce ze moras za nekaj obtozevati dezurne wrongdoerje na svetu, jih obtozi za podpiranje diktatorja (ker takrat je seveda povsod drugod bila demokracija, sploh v tisti regiji), ne pa za islamizem, ki se je, tako kot ob zadnji arabski pomladi, pojavil kot odgovor.


Za amer trole se zgodovina Irana vedno začne leta 79; ja Iran je bil moderna demokracija pred prihodom tvojih

7982884e je izjavil:

hahaha, ja, res, sokantno, kdo bi verjel, drzava kjer vecina mladih ni islamisticnih, kjer mlade zenske izven javnosti redko nosijo rute, se MODERNIZIRA, breaking news!


v tistih državah, ki jih podpirajo tvoji ni tako, aka SA
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

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leiito ::

7982884e je izjavil:

Tarzan je izjavil:

Preden so šli američani skupaj z britanci tja delat štalo, so bili precej sekularni in še za zdajšnje zahodne standarde napredni. Ko so jih pahnili v islamsko revolucijo so postali malo manj, še vedno pa svetlobna leta pred raznimi talibani, ISIS, KSA, in podobnimi tiči. Iran na zahodu poznamo izključno na podlagi zahodne propagande v medijih, kdor gre tja, se lahko na lastne oči prepriča, da si to državo predstavljamo popolnoma napačno.

spet te bucke, lol. americani so podpirali diktatorskega saha, ki je bil precej sekularen. v bistvu je v navzkriz s siiti, ki so kasneje zakurili revolucijo, prisel na racun svoje sekularnosti.
po padcu saha se je zacela islamska revolucija.

tako da ce ze moras za nekaj obtozevati dezurne wrongdoerje na svetu, jih obtozi za podpiranje diktatorja (ker takrat je seveda povsod drugod bila demokracija, sploh v tisti regiji), ne pa za islamizem, ki se je, tako kot ob zadnji arabski pomladi, pojavil kot odgovor.


To ni res, da so ZDA brezpogojno podpirale Šaha, po mnenju mnogih, tudi Pahlavija samega, so ga zrušili, če vorašaš Irance same so pa itak za vsakim velikim dogodkom v Iranu Angleži oz Američani.

Jasno ni dokazov, ampak glede na stopnjo spontanosti Arab Springa in tveganja, če se začneš v Iranu zbirat in vzklikat gesla proti islamski revoluciji tega, ne bi bilo neko presenečenje, če je na dogodke vplival tudi kak naključno mimoidoči agent provocateur iranskega porekla. Sej v tem je poanta, vplivat na mnenja, pospešiti dogajanje itd, težko od zunaj in z tujci sprožiš revolucijo, sploh s takimi gesli je nevarnost, da te civili iz previdnosti koknejo, da jim ne bo kdo očital nelojalnosti

https://www.google.si/amp/s/amp.theguar...

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7982884e ::

leiito je izjavil:


To ni res, da so ZDA brezpogojno podpirale Šaha, po mnenju mnogih, tudi Pahlavija samega, so ga zrušili, če vorašaš Irance same so pa itak za vsakim velikim dogodkom v Iranu Angleži oz Američani.


lol
seveda, americani bodo zrusili saha, potem mu pa nudili azil, skupaj z ogromnim premozenjem, in ga nikakor ne pustili nazaj v iran, kjer ga je nova oblast hotela za sojenje in kjer so imeli potem americani se dramo z ambasado, ker saha niso hoteli dat nazaj
glavni temelj sovraznosti iranske islamisticne oblasti je ravno ameriska podpora sahu in njihova neizrocitev saha po revoluciji

se pa ne cudim, da ljudje govorijo da so tudi za to americani krivi, saj za kaj pa danes niso v oceh borcev proti zahodu in za pravicnost?

leiito ::

Govorim o tem, kar navajajo viri in Iranci sami, ne trdim, da so Američani vedno za vsem in tudi tako zelo enoznačna in črnobela politična zgodovina ni, ampak dejstvo je, da na neki točki State Dept začne, tudi javno, Pahlaviju očitati, da ni dovolj human rights oriented, da je CIA podpirala Homeinija je itak zgodovinsko dejstvo, se pa bolj ali manj vsi strinjajo, da so se dogodki tik pred in med revolucijo odvijali hitreje kot je kdorkoli predvideval in nihče ni imel nadzora, še sam Homeini ne, take so pač revolucije, se je pa vsekakor potrudil že prvi dan pobiti vse, ki so poznali njegovo zgodovino pred exilom v Franciji, kakšnega rodu je bil in kako je sploh prišel do titule ajatole.

Carter je Pahlaviju dopustil prihod v ZDA na humanitarni podlagi, ker je imel Pahlavi raka, ne iz političnih razlogov, in še to po veliko obotavljanja in cigu miguja. Dogodoki so pokazali, da je storil napako, ampak na načeli ravni, zakaj ga pa ne bi, to niso osebne stvari, interes je bil dosežen, Reza na smerišču zgodovine.

Poglej kaj reče Reagan o Carterju, pa najbrž ve o čem govori:
President Reagan said "I did criticize the President because of his undermining of our stalwart ally, the Shah, I do not believe that he was that far out of line with his people."

Undermining.

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leiito ::

Iz Engdahlove knjige A Century of War:

"In November 1978, President Carter named the Bilderberg group's George Ball, another member of the Trilateral Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the National Security Council's Brzezinski. Ball recommended that Washington drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalistic Islamic opposition of Ayatollah Khomeini. Robert Bowie from the CIA was one of the lead 'case officers' in the new CIA-led coup against the man their covert actions had placed into power 25 years earlier.

Their scheme was based on a detailed study of the phenomenon of Islamic fundamentalism, as presented by British Islamic expert, Dr. Bernard Lewis, then on assignment at Princeton University in the United States. Lewis's scheme, which was unveiled at the May 1979 Bilderberg meeting in Austria, endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeini, in order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites, Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread in what he termed an 'Arc of Crisis,' which would spill over into Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.

Mr.B ::

Samo zato da bi jebali Ruse v Afganistanu. Zanimivo. Ampak en ucineik je pa tobr. Vsi smartajo Muslimane za Barbare, podirali so jih in jih pa do...
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Pac-Man ::

Engdahl samo na slepo nabija, dokazov pa nobenih. ZDA seveda stojijo za vsem. Poleg tega zagovarja še par drugih zanimivih pozicij.

Vsakega pismenega norca res ni treba jemati resno.

F. William Engdahl @ Wikipedia

He has also been a long-time associate of the LaRouche movement and has written many articles for their publications.

...

His first book was called A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order and discusses the alleged roles of Zbigniew Brzezinski and George Ball and of the USA in the 1979 overthrow of the Shah of Iran, which was meant to manipulate oil prices and to stop Soviet expansion. (...) In 2007, he completed Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation.

Engdahl is also a contributor to the website of the anti-globalization Centre for Research on Globalization, the Russian website New Eastern Outlook,[2] and the Voltaire Network

//NEO izdaja inštitut orientalnih študij jebene ruske akademije znanosti. Čista propaganda.
http://russia-insider.com/en/new_easter...
https://journal-neo.org/

...

Engdahl stated in 2007 that he had come to believe that petroleum is not biological in origin, which is the theory supported by the majority of petroleum geologists and engineers.[4] Instead he now believes the hypothesis that petroleum is geological in origin, produced from carbon, by forces of heat and pressure deep underground.

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He claims that global warming is merely a "scare" and a "thinly veiled attempt to misuse climate to argue for a new Malthusian reduction of living standards for the majority of the world while a tiny elite gains more power.".

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On Russia Today, Engdahl stated in an interview that the 2011 Egyptian Revolution was orchestrated by the Pentagon to facilitate Barack Obama's Middle East foreign policy and that Egypt had turned to a worse situation since Hosni Mubarak was overthrown.[7] According to him, "The ultimate goal of the US is to take the resources of Africa and Middle East under military control to block economic growth in China and Russia, thus taking the whole of Eurasia under control."
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

leiito ::

Ne bom trdil za Engdahla in Bilderberge, ne poznam dovolj, ampak kar se zasuka v ameriški politiki do Irana v poznih 70-ih in Carterjevega spodkopavanja Pahlavija tiče, to so zgodovinska dejstva, vlogo Brzezinskega in Balla pa omenjajo tudi številni drugi, Balla tudi Pahlavi sam.

Pac-Man ::

Carter je dobričina in idealist, Pahlavi je bil malo manj sadistična verzija Assada. Ni nemogoče, da so ZDA kritizirale kršenje človekovih pravic pod njem.

Ampak od tu do islamofašističnega državnega udara je dooooooolga pot. In zakaj bi "death to amerikka" islamisti sploh upoštevali njihovo mnenje?

Ste pa dobri - še ko se Anglosaksoncem podrejo desetletja dolge spletke, za tem stojijo - Anglosaksonci :D

Malo branja:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mad...

http://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/car...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/lists...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Dobro:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mad...

Like his predecessors, Carter considered Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi an ally and friend. In December 1977, he visited Tehran and toasted the shah for making Iran “an island of stability” and for “the admiration and love which your people give you.” It was a delusional toast, one that demonstrated a total lack of understanding of historical legacies and the political fires raging in Iran.

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Carter’s support for the shah did not flag immediately after his regime collapsed. When the shah fled, Carter offered him access to a private estate in California. The shah declined, opting instead for Egypt and Morocco as havens from which he could best nurture his hope — utterly unrealistic — of a restoration to his throne.

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U.S. diplomats in Tehran strove to stabilize American-Iranian relations by negotiating various financial, legal and political issues with the government of interim Prime Minister Mehdi Bazargan. Those diplomats reported that anti-shah passions were so white-hot that continuing any affiliation with the deposed monarch before revolutionary fervor ebbed and American-Iranian relations normalized would compromise American interests and imperil U.S. officials in the country. Admitting the shah to the United States, Ambassador William H. Sullivan presciently warned, “would almost certainly result in an immediate and violent reaction” that Khomeini would prove unwilling or unable to contain.

Finally recognizing the intensity of the anti-shah passion among the Iranian people, Carter withdrew his offer of asylum.

Carter’s recognition of this political reality was immediately tested, however, by domestic politics. Influential conservatives, some within his administration, pressured him to stand by the shah. National security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, along with prominent Republicans Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller, lobbied the president to welcome the shah to the United States, if not conspire to return him to power. Kissinger shamed Carter for treating a longtime ally ”like a Flying Dutchman looking for a port of call” and threatened to withhold support for the SALT II treaty, one of Carter’s signature diplomatic objectives.

These conservatives used their leverage to open sanctuaries for the shah in the Bahamas and Mexico after political conditions forced his departure from Morocco. When Carter expressed concern about the possibility of mob violence against U.S. interests in Iran, Brzezinski countered that “at stake were our traditional commitment to asylum and our loyalty to a friend. To compromise those principles would be to pay an extraordinarily high price not only in terms of self-esteem but also in our standing among our allies.”

Carter wavered under this pressure in October 1979. After learning that the shah had cancer, conservatives appealed to Carter’s humanitarian and religious values, telling him that the shah’s condition was grave and that he could not survive unless he received state-of-the-art treatment available only in New York.

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Disregarding warnings from Bazargan that he would no longer be able to guarantee the safety of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Carter also took no steps to bolster security at the facility or to evacuate all U.S. personnel before admitting the shah. Additionally, Carter failed to grasp the optics of the situation through Iranian eyes — he declined a suggestion from Deputy Prime Minister Ibrahim Yezdi that he allow Iranian physicians to examine the shah, which could have mitigated the popular suspicion that the shah’s arrival in New York on Oct. 22 signaled an American conspiracy to return him to power.

When news of the shah’s arrival reached Iran, the combustible situation predictably detonated. Massive demonstrations erupted in the streets near the U.S. Embassy. “The United States, which has given refuge to that corrupt germ,” Khomeini declared on Nov. 1, “will be confronted in a different manner by us.”

Three days later, a mob overran the embassy, seizing 66 American officials as well as invaluable intelligence information and technology
in what the Foreign Ministry labeled “a natural reaction to the U.S. Government’s indifference to the hurt feelings of the Iranian people about the presence of the deposed Shah, who is in the United States under the pretext of illness.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Sicer je tema o Siriji a če povzamemo:
- ZDA in UK zrušita legalno in demokratično izbrano sekularno iransko vlado premierja Mosadeka, ker jim ta nacionalizira (odvzame) iranske naftne vrtine;
- nastavijo zahodu prijaznega in razsipnega ter diktatorskega šaha Pahlavija, katerega ljudstvo ne mara preveč;
- Pahlavija odnese revolucija, v kateri je najmočnejša islamistična opozicija, katere vodja deluje iz ene od zahodnih držav..islamisti po revoluciji uničijo sekularen (socialističen) del revolucionarjev;
- Iran, v trenutku slabosti (takoj po revoluciji), napade sosednji Irak, katerega podprejo vse sunitske sosede in zahod.

In zaključek je, da ZDA in UK nista storili nič napačnega ter da se danes borita proti zlobnim nedemokratičnim iranskim islamistom...seveda Savdove Arabije in njenih zlobnih nedemokratičnih islamistov nihče ne omenja. Unbiased, ni kaj 8-)

Iran je drugačen, še zdaleč pa ni demokratičen. Ima mlado in nezadovoljno prebivalstvo, ker se bogastvo deli med elito in troši na vojne v tujini, večina ljudi pa živi vse slabše. Jasno je, da iranske oblasti nekaj delajo narobe in vprašanje je, če jim bo obsežen represivni aparat lahko pomagal v primeru upora velikih razsežnosti.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

leiito ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Carter je dobričina in idealist, Pahlavi je bil malo manj sadistična verzija Assada. Ni nemogoče, da so ZDA kritizirale kršenje človekovih pravic pod njem.

Ampak od tu do islamofašističnega državnega udara je dooooooolga pot. In zakaj bi "death to amerikka" islamisti sploh upoštevali njihovo mnenje?

Ste pa dobri - še ko se Anglosaksoncem podrejo desetletja dolge spletke, za tem stojijo - Anglosaksonci :D

Malo branja:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mad...

http://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/car...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/lists...


Zakaj so potem podpirali Homenija in orkestrirali njegov povratek v Iran, če ga niso želeli kot št. 1?

Več resnih virov zatrjuje CIA plot v primeru Islamske revolucije. Ne rabijo islamisti poslušat ameriškega mnenja, ne dela se to tako, že zaradi prebivalstva, kako bi pa razložil Homeniji, majhen krog ljudi sploh ve, potem pa podpora ideji, ki itak zgleda legitimna, zato je propaganda. Tu je bilo pa itak veliko bolj pomembno kaj se ni zgodilo zaradi CIA, namreč, da vojska ni s kontra udarom blokirala Homenija. Bivša CIA agentka trdi, da je bila zraven, BBC navaja ameriško roko v dogodkih 1979, pred njim je bil samo Mosadek avtohton, je moral hitro iti, oba Šaha so nastavili Angleži, ni glih out of the realm of possibility, najbrž.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada...

Pac-Man ::

Še jordanske spletke

https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/statu...

#BREAKING - King of #Jordan dismisses his 3 brothers; Faisal, Ali and Talal from Jordanian army command after evidence of them contacting #Saudi leaders Mohammad bin Salman and Mohammad bin Zayed to formulate a coup against him. All 3 brothers are now under house arrest.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

leiito ::

Poučno in zanimivo predavanje, na Brookings Institutu, najbrž veste kdo so, o relaciji ZDA Saudi in dogajanje v zvezi z MBS. Bruce Riedel je bil svetovalec 4 predsednikov, delal na iranskem desku CIA, ve o čem govori. Na youtubu je še en drug njegov nastop, samo o Saudi in tretji na to temo skupaj s Friedmanom iz NYT, ki je pred kratkim spisal servilno hagiografijo MBSja za NYT.



Pac-Man je izjavil:

Še jordanske spletke

https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/statu...

#BREAKING - King of #Jordan dismisses his 3 brothers; Faisal, Ali and Talal from Jordanian army command after evidence of them contacting #Saudi leaders Mohammad bin Salman and Mohammad bin Zayed to formulate a coup against him. All 3 brothers are now under house arrest.


Pac-Man je izjavil:

Še jordanske spletke

https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/statu...

#BREAKING - King of #Jordan dismisses his 3 brothers; Faisal, Ali and Talal from Jordanian army command after evidence of them contacting #Saudi leaders Mohammad bin Salman and Mohammad bin Zayed to formulate a coup against him. All 3 brothers are now under house arrest.


Bin Zayed, aka MBZ, ni Saudijec, je prince Abu Dhabija in efektivni šef UAE.

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Pac-Man ::

leiito je izjavil:

Zakaj so potem podpirali Homenija in orkestrirali njegov povratek v Iran, če ga niso želeli kot št. 1?


Niso podpirali in niso orgestrirali. Kontaktiral jih je Khomeini in obljubljal sodelovanje.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/...

Two former White House advisers to Jimmy Carter, speaking to the Guardian, did not question the authenticity of the documents but denied that the US had abandoned the shah.

In contrast to his later tirades against the “Great Satan”, Khomeini’s messages to US officials just weeks before his return to Tehran appear to have been strikingly conciliatory.

“It is advisable that you recommend to the army not to follow [Shah’s prime minister Shapour] Bakhtiar,” Khomeini said in one message, according to the BBC. “You will see we are not in any particular animosity with the Americans.”

In another message sent via a US emissary written in the same month, he attempted to assuage American fears that their economic interests would be affected by a change of power in Iran: “There should be no fear about oil. It is not true that we wouldn’t sell to the US.”

...

BBC Persian has not explained its decision not to publish those documents, which has not helped the scepticism among Iranian critics, but the reporter who broke the story, Kambiz Fattahi, answered questions by email.

“The documents clearly show that Khomeini was less heroic, and far craftier, behind the scenes,” Fattahi said. “He quietly courted the US government, making all kinds of promises about the future of core US interests in Iran.”

“The documents are significant because they show Khomeini’s legacy is complicated, as it involves the ayatollah courting two US presidents behind the scenes. They illustrate a pattern of behaviour – that Khomeini at critical moments during his long struggle for an Islamic republic, secretly engaged what he would call ‘the Great Satan’.”

Gary Sick, a member of the National Security Council staff during the period of the Iranian revolution, said “the documents are genuine” but to the best of his knowledge he never saw the CIA study about the 1963 contact, and had no knowledge of the alleged communication.

“As far as I can tell, assuming the report is accurate, the message from Khomeini to the US government had no effect on actual policy – either in the Kennedy administration or later. So I regard this as an anomaly,” he told the Guardian.

Sick said the US wanted to preserve the Iranian military as an institution and ensure that the transition would be orderly and not collapse into bloodshed and civil war, but said the talks with an American emissary in 1979 had little significance.

...

Stuart Eizenstat, a former chief White House domestic policy adviser to Carter, said talks of the US abandoning the shah was “not historically accurate”. He said: “We did everything we could to keep the shah in power. There was no notion that we were trying to facilitate the Ayatollah coming into power.”

He also commented: “Ebrahim Yadzi, the first foreign minister under Khomeini, was making regular public statements on behalf of Ayatollah Khomeini saying this will be a tolerant democracy, nothing about an Islamic revolution. I believe that Yadzi believed that.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

leiito ::

Pa še en zanimiv intervju, Jared Kushner, po novem v imenu tasta rešitelj izraelsko-palestinskega zagate z znamenitim Dealom, kje drugje kot na Brookungsu, tema je Bližnji Vzhod. Saban, izpraševalec, ga ne špara, Kushner pa ne deluje ravno kot neka huda kognitivna elita, niti ni jasno kaj točno hoče ameriška administracija, uradni cilji jasno mir in stabilnost in čim manj diktatorjev in čim več demokracije, kar sicer baje po JMR v večini arabskih držav ljudje res podpirajo, čeprav jim je bolj pomembna ekonomija oz. standard. Pa Koran seveda, glede družbenega sistema ga večina najbrž ne bere dobesedno, vsaj v Libanonu in Turčiji ne.

leiito ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

leiito je izjavil:

Zakaj so potem podpirali Homenija in orkestrirali njegov povratek v Iran, če ga niso želeli kot št. 1?


Niso podpirali in niso orgestrirali. Kontaktiral jih je Khomeini in obljubljal sodelovanje.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/...

Two former White House advisers to Jimmy Carter, speaking to the Guardian, did not question the authenticity of the documents but denied that the US had abandoned the shah.

In contrast to his later tirades against the “Great Satan”, Khomeini’s messages to US officials just weeks before his return to Tehran appear to have been strikingly conciliatory.

“It is advisable that you recommend to the army not to follow [Shah’s prime minister Shapour] Bakhtiar,” Khomeini said in one message, according to the BBC. “You will see we are not in any particular animosity with the Americans.”

In another message sent via a US emissary written in the same month, he attempted to assuage American fears that their economic interests would be affected by a change of power in Iran: “There should be no fear about oil. It is not true that we wouldn’t sell to the US.”

...

BBC Persian has not explained its decision not to publish those documents, which has not helped the scepticism among Iranian critics, but the reporter who broke the story, Kambiz Fattahi, answered questions by email.

“The documents clearly show that Khomeini was less heroic, and far craftier, behind the scenes,” Fattahi said. “He quietly courted the US government, making all kinds of promises about the future of core US interests in Iran.”

“The documents are significant because they show Khomeini’s legacy is complicated, as it involves the ayatollah courting two US presidents behind the scenes. They illustrate a pattern of behaviour – that Khomeini at critical moments during his long struggle for an Islamic republic, secretly engaged what he would call ‘the Great Satan’.”

Gary Sick, a member of the National Security Council staff during the period of the Iranian revolution, said “the documents are genuine” but to the best of his knowledge he never saw the CIA study about the 1963 contact, and had no knowledge of the alleged communication.

“As far as I can tell, assuming the report is accurate, the message from Khomeini to the US government had no effect on actual policy – either in the Kennedy administration or later. So I regard this as an anomaly,” he told the Guardian.

Sick said the US wanted to preserve the Iranian military as an institution and ensure that the transition would be orderly and not collapse into bloodshed and civil war, but said the talks with an American emissary in 1979 had little significance.

...

Stuart Eizenstat, a former chief White House domestic policy adviser to Carter, said talks of the US abandoning the shah was “not historically accurate”. He said: “We did everything we could to keep the shah in power. There was no notion that we were trying to facilitate the Ayatollah coming into power.”

He also commented: “Ebrahim Yadzi, the first foreign minister under Khomeini, was making regular public statements on behalf of Ayatollah Khomeini saying this will be a tolerant democracy, nothing about an Islamic revolution. I believe that Yadzi believed that.”


Seveda so ga podpirali, s tem, da so ustavili vojsko so mu omogočili prevzem oblasti, s tem, da so mu dali info, da vojska ne bo reagirala, so mu odpravili še zadnje možne zadržke. Morda jih je tu res on kontaktiral prvi, zelo convenient je, ampak v vsakem primeru to niso bili edini kontakti Američanov v Iranu, vsaj še v vojski so imeli vpliv. Carter pa itak ni bil nujno looped in, kasneje pri zgodbi s talci je teorija, da je CIA naredila deal z Iranci z Reaganom, ko je bil Carter še predsednik in zavlačevala izpustitev do po volitvah, da uspeh ne bi pomagal Carterju.

V vsakem primeru bi bilo za velesile, v državi takega strateškega pomena in s tako zgodovino vpliva na politično dogajanje, nepričakovano in tudi neodgovorno, če ne bi naredili vse, da zaščitijo svoje interese in da jih pri tem zgodovinsko kongres in zakoni ne omejujejo nujno. Vsaka velesila bi ravnala tako, tega jim ne gre ne vem kako očitat.

Zgodovina sprememb…

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Pac-Man ::

Spet, lomi se. Lahko bodo uspešno zadušili, ali pa bo ljudstvo popolnoma ponorelo. Zaenkrat so zgleda najhujši Kurdi.

https://twitter.com/PDKIenglish/status/...

At least six peaceful demonstrators have been killed by #Iran’s terrorist Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in Lorestan. #Iranprotests #Twitterkurds #Rojhelat #Kurdistan


https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/statu...

Reports of 4 protesters killed and 6 injured by gunfire now and protests turning violent against regime forces in other cities. Quick escalation as people extremely angry and know (from 2009), peaceful means won't change anything against islamist fanatics, ruling the country.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

leiito ::

Lavrov je končno vse priznal:


Rusi poskušajo zdaj to spinat kot da je šlo za prank.

leiito ::

Haaretz piše, da Jordanci pravijo, da kraljeva brata in tretji niso zaprti, ampak so šli v zaslužen pokoj. Je pa res, da jih baje po dnevu upokojitve ni nihče več videl.

Re: protesti v Iranu. Če smo mi saudi ali izraelska ali ameriška stran, verjamemo da je v našem interesu menjava režima v Teheranu, tudi za ceno kaosa, ali ne bi bil naš job, da izkoristimo proteste zaradi rasti cen hrane in uporabimo agente provokatorje, ti na BV niso dragi, da protesti dobijo bolj protirežimski karakter? Vsaj od srbskega Otpora naprej je jasno kako aktivna je vloga obveščevalnih služb v takih dogodkih in kako delujejo pred legitimnih lokalnih akterjev. Slogan "vi trošite za Gazo in Libanon, mi smo pa lačni" je nekaj, s čimer se ljudje lahko identificirajo in ravno prav kontroverzna téma. Poleg tega je, če je lakota ali korupcija, sorazmerno lahko proteste tudi inženirati, z denarjem gre vse lažje.

Pac-Man ::

Okej.

Kdo je organiziral proteste na G20? Ruply zgleda navdušen.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Ex-NSA dude z doktoratom iz zgodovine

https://twitter.com/20committee

The clerico-fascists who have run Tehran since 1979 won't give up easily. Calibrate expectations. Remember 2009?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-prote...

There can be no "partial" overthrow of the Islamic Republic. When it comes, it will be total. Not saying when. I wish Iranian liberty well but, as I said in 2009: Given 1953, very worst thing USG can do is be seen to have any hand in regime change.

I'm not an Iran expert, but I do know VEVAK and Pasdaran. They will not go down to defeat without a hellish fight.

The people who killed & ran the Shah's team into exile know the fate which awaits them, come the next revolution.

If the Shah had been as willing to use mass violence as the mullahs, he would have died in bed -- in Tehran.

The regime has never, I repeat never, faced an uprising across such wide swath of social classes engulfing so many cities. #Iranprotests #Iran
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/AmirToumaj/status/9...

Continuing protests across Iran with slogans such as "mullahs, have some shame, let go of the country" reflect deep anger at clerical rule, corruption, economic mismanagement, etc. years in making. Left unaddressed, the irreconcilable conflicts will lead to revolution.

Predictably, the IRGC releases public statement warning against "the enemy's plans for new sedition" and calling for rallies tomorrow on 9th Dey anniversary.

Also predictably, pro-IRGC social media forums going along with message from IRGC. This one says "we should remember that thousands of martyrs were spent for you and me, let's not #betray in their safety!" Somehow demanding change means insulting the martyrs.

In the past 48 hours, the tens of videos of protests recorded didn't show crowds yelling pro-Islamist or pro-MEK slogans. All loudly demanding freedom and justice.

A quick point about rumors that the protests were instigated by the IRGC and hardliners and spun out of control:
1) there's no solid evidence
2) they didn't use their usual formula of mobilizing supporters. They use that formula for a reason: so they can control crowd and avoid a situation precisely like this that spins out of control. The IRGC has been obsessed about mass protests: its top priorities have been uprisings in Iran and Syria in the past 7 years. Besides, the question is irrelevant: there are many desperate people who've had enough

The Iranian government is scrambling to respond. An MP says that the administration held a meeting in parliament to lower the cost of fuel than the one proposed in next year's budget.

IRGC deputy commander Hossein Salami gave an address today, tried to overplay 9th Dey pro-gov rallies, touted that "our influence has expanded toward E Mediterranean," and warned that "the enemy is trying to open path from inside," though he'd have said that anyways.

The Islamic Republic’s protocol is to deploy the IRGC and Basij paramilitary should law enforcement be unable to handle protests. That likelihood will increase as protests continue.

Photo purportedly showing protestors seizing and burning judiciary office in Kerman.


Protestors torching governor’s office in Khorramabad, Lorestan province.
https://twitter.com/AmirToumaj/status/9...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Samuel ::

leiito je izjavil:

Lavrov je končno vse priznal:


Rusi poskušajo zdaj to spinat kot da je šlo za prank.


Najbolj hecno je to, da tisti, ki vtikate ZDA v vse probleme tega sveta (zdaj nazadnje so to protesti v Iranu), se čudite temu, da se enako dogaja z Rusijo (v hladni vojni je bilo to nekaj povsem normalnega).
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.

Pac-Man ::

Tale posnetek z režimskih demonstracij je zanimiv.



Aktivni so starejši, kar je pod 40 pa se večinoma zdolgočaseno sprehaja in živčno pogleduje proti kameram.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/HanifJazayeri/statu...

WATCH: Defiant youths in Mashhad overturn police car. via the MEK network. Today is Day 3 of nationwide #IranProtests calling for regime change in #Iran. Our nation seeks an end to the mullahs' rule. #FreeIran




Ne vidim kake posebne organizacije, samo sproščanje frustracij. Zaenkrat slabo kaže.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

leiito ::

Brez organizacije, hierarhije, strategije in taktike ne gre, ampak to vejo tudi sami. Hvala bogu je internet, grejo na google in najdejo Gene Sharp: From Dictatorship To Democracy, how to overthrow despotic regimes for dummies. Sharpove principe je uporabljal Otpor v Srbiji 2003, Srdja Popović pa kasneje s Canvasom postal zasebni svetovalec revolucionarjem in sodeloval v praktično vseh zgodbah, od Gruzije in Ukrajine do arabske pomladi, Guardian pravi, da v 50 državah. Res zanimivi časi, da je ne samo vojna, ampak tudi revolucija postala običajna tržna dejavnost in, kot običajno, je zasebna pobuda veliko bolj učinkovita od centralnoplanske. In kar je še bolje, nenasilni odpor je zgodovinsko 2x bolj uspešen od nasilja in ima 10x večjo verjetnost, da se konča z nečem vsaj približno demokratičnim.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/...

http://canvasopedia.org/must-read/

Strategija Otpora:
Take an offensive approach
Understand the concept of "power in numbers"
Develop a superior communication strategy
Create the perception of a successful movement
Invest in the skills and knowledge of activists
Cultivate external support
Induce security force defections
Resist oppression
By means of decentralized leadership, education, using humor to maintain morale, and supporting members who had been arrested
Use elections to trigger change
Enable peaceful transition of power

ziga1990 ::

Na Twitterju je objava da veliko letal zapušča iran nekateri celo nimajo Callsign-a
Ryzen 1700, 16gb RAM, GTX1070, NH-D15, Bequiet Darkbase pro 900

Pac-Man ::

Bull, redni leti iz Teherana.

https://twitter.com/dmidvar/status/9473...



https://twitter.com/AzadehMoaveni/statu...

Timely 'whither Iran' thread from a seasoned journalist who's just been there, and is well-versed in both falling apart countries and just convulsing countries.

https://twitter.com/tamhussein/status/9...

Having just returned from Iran, and by no means an expert, the impression I got was that yes, there was dissatisfaction with aspects of the government but I just don't think there is enough will or the critical mass to over throw the powers that be in Iran.

There seems a dissonance between the young and old. Young Iranians (a very talented bunch) find their ambitions hampered by their isolation from the outside world. The conservative elements in society seemed to me to be strong amongst young and old too. Those who wanted change were Pro-Khatami.

Many might regret direction that Iranian revolution has taken but on the whole many of traditional elements seems to feel that this 'basics' have been fulfilled. I could be wrong but I didn't get the impression that these protests will overthrow the Iranian government.

Iran has actually managed to build institutions that work reasonably well. And this is probably why it will take these protests as pause for thought than a major threat. There are still religious young people and the country side is not protesting.
Don't want to defend any state but in fairness, whilst there are certainly restrictions in Teheran there is to an extent room for culture, music, film, writing etc. As long as not obscene.
Other observations the cult of martyrdom very much alive. The people are very insulated from the outside world in terms of news. For instance- the mosque in Aleppo was destroyed by ISIS etc.

Finally Iran didn't feel like Syria, in its oppressive police state. It's people like Syrians, were some of the best people I have met. With a beautiful heritage and country. The country is often mischaracterised. Many of the stereotypes have certainly been shattered.
Should also add that whilst minorities are not treated with the same dignity as in the West, in comparison to KSA (excluding Baha'is) there has been some sort of understanding that has been achieved with Jews, Zoroastrians, Armenians etc though apostasy laws still remain.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

7tom1ja ::

A moraš resno tudi to temo prevzeti; razumem link paste tu pa tam, sam cele strani, daj no; odpri si svojo temo
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
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