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Fritz ::

Aja, zdaj je za vse kriv nek imanenten kaos v regiji, ki nima absolutno nič z Izraelom, naftnimi zalogami, državnimi udari in ilegalnimi okupacijami drugih držav 8-)
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

7tom1ja ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

1) Se je govorilo. Januarja 2019. Tu imaš odgovor

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/doc...

2) Ata Voigt je tako blizu nacistu, kot si pač lahko v moderni nemški politiki.

Udo Voigt @ Wikipedia


klasična integrity initiative, napadi osebo ne argumente, z virom wiki, ki ga integ. intiative najraje uporablja, ker kontrolira edit

sedi 5
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

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Pac-Man ::

Okidoki.

Torej se prepričaj z lastnimi očmi in ušesi. Krasna ikonografija

in krasen komentar (TLDR: AfD so pičke)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Smrekar1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:


2) Ata Voigt je tako blizu nacistu, kot si pač lahko v moderni nemški politiki.

Udo Voigt @ Wikipedia


Zanimivo kako velik delež nacistov je tudi odkritih podpornikov Putina.

Kaj ni on kao borec proti nacizmu?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi...

Mr.B ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:


2) Ata Voigt je tako blizu nacistu, kot si pač lahko v moderni nemški politiki.

Udo Voigt @ Wikipedia


Zanimivo kako velik delež nacistov je tudi odkritih podpornikov Putina.

Kaj ni on kao borec proti nacizmu?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi...

In to napise oseba, ki javno podpira Fašisticne režime.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

Smrekar1 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:


In to napise oseba, ki javno podpira Fašisticne režime.


Katere točno? Venezuelskega?

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0106...

Mr.B ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:


In to napise oseba, ki javno podpira Fašisticne režime.


Katere točno? Venezuelskega?

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0106...

Ti se kar blamiraj.
Voljeno telo ogledalo volilnega telesa.

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7tom1ja ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:


2) Ata Voigt je tako blizu nacistu, kot si pač lahko v moderni nemški politiki.

Udo Voigt @ Wikipedia


Zanimivo kako velik delež nacistov je tudi odkritih podpornikov Putina.

Kaj ni on kao borec proti nacizmu?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi...


the atlantic, daj no Smrekar vsaj malo se potrudi
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša

Pac-Man ::

Brez komentarja.

7tom1ja je izjavil:

klasična integrity initiative, napadi osebo ne argumente, z virom wiki, ki ga integ. intiative najraje uporablja, ker kontrolira edit
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7tom1ja je izjavil:

the atlantic, daj no Smrekar vsaj malo se potrudi
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Debunk lažnih novic o kemičnih napadih v Siriji.

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1...

Since October, Wikileaks has been leaking OPCW documents regarding the Douma chemical attack, calling into question their conclusion.
The information presented has been misleading and, at times, objectively incorrect. Read it here 👇


The OPCW Douma Leaks Part 1: We Need To Talk About “Alex”

Firstly, those attacking the OPCW have done so ignoring the wider context.
Multiple independent investigations by a variety of organisations have shown the Syrian Government has been responsible for many chemical attacks using chlorine and Sarin. This is not 2003 again.
The @GPPi have documented hundreds of credible reports of chlorine attacks.
This is likely the most well documented operational use of chemical weapons in history.

https://www.gppi.net/media/GPPi_Schneid...
“Alex” claims the trace quantities of chemicals found in Douma do not support the hypothesis that there was a chlorine attack.
This is not true. The results are entirely consistent with a chlorine gas attack.
We have written about this in detail here:


Chlorine’s Unique Fingerprints: The April 7, 2018 Douma Incident Through A Chemistry Lens

Wikileaks also published minutes of a meeting with toxicologists, who concluded that the rapid (within 3-4 hours) onset of mouth frothing seen in some victims is inconsistent with chlorine gas inhalation.
This is not accurate.
We spoke to a Professor of Toxicology, and specifically an expert on the effect of chlorine on the respiratory system, who was incredulous at the stated findings of the toxicologists.
He noted that “the hallmark of chlorine is its rapidity of action”.

The minutes also questioned the actions of the victims, who sought shelter inside or upstairs rather than moving outside.
However, in Syria people have known to move upstairs or to higher ground in the event of a chlorine attack since at least 2014: chlorine is heavier than air.
In the dark these victims would have no way to know that there was a cylinder on the roof discharging chlorine into the building.
Their actions were entirely rational - but it led to their deaths.

Finally we must confront the fact that Alex made false claims about the contents and conclusions of some of the documents, including the status of Ian Henderson.
This has been been previously covered here:


Revealed: OPCW whistleblower made false claims about 'suppressed' Douma report

Ultimately, every time more docs have been released, they undermine the claims of “Alex” & those who have uncritically supported his claims.
Rather that writing breathless headlines, we chose to examine these claims in detail. We suggest others do too.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

c3p0 ::

If it's a long c&p post, it must be 100% true.

Pac-Man ::

Da.

V kolikor je tvoja trditev sarkastična, izpostavi napake.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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DrDre95 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Da.

V kolikor je tvoja trditev sarkastična, izpostavi napake.


A ti delaš kot politični analitik za kak prestižen medij kot je npr. 24ur?

Pac-Man ::

Kopiram res ene toliko kot oni, ampak ne.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Še ena o trolanju okrog kemičnih napadov.

https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1...

Thread: "false flags" and chemical weapons.

Claims of "false flag" CW attacks in Syria continue to persist.
The idea is that hundreds of CW attacks and thousands of victims have been faked. This idea persists at surprisingly high levels, including the British shadow cabinet.

A key problem is that individual claims of "false flag" attacks can appear to have some credibility, especially if you're a person who is not familiar with the context of the conflict in Syria, or with chemical weapons.
So, basically a normal person.

But if you dig deep into these claims, & look at the wider context back to 2013, the absolute absurdity shines through.
Which is why we have to read painfully long pieces in the Intercept exhausting literally all other options before accepting there was a CW attack in Douma.
I mean fair play, eventually it's possible persuade these kinds of sceptics if they're actually assessing information rationally, but it's absolutely exhausting.
The amount of work required to refute these allegations is crazy.

Unfortunately conspiracy theorists can produce information & narratives much more quickly because they just don't give a s*** about accuracy, consistency or impartiality.
Seriously, they all contradict each other, but it's ok because they all agree these attacks didn't happen.

So instead of systematically examining Saudi-led coalition air strikes in Yemen, which is what I should be doing, I have to work on long, absolutely painstaking examinations of these allegations, which will inevitably change as soon as we publish our analysis.


Depressingly I see this eventually becoming a situation similar to former Yugoslavia, where Syrian victims are sidelined by people who have huge platforms & fanatical fanbases.
People who eventually get awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature.

Yet at least two major UK publications still see fit to publish opinion columnists on this incredibly sensitive subject, one of whom is banned from editing wikipedia and doesn't believe in evolution, & the other who's name literally become a byword for plagiarism and inaccuracy. That's Peter Hitchens in the @DailyMailUK's Mail on Sunday and Robert Fisk in the @Independent by the way.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Sirska vojska je že nekaj dni v ofenzivi in je prebila obrambo džihadistov severno od Marat al-Numana, ki bo kmalu padel. Kje se bodo ustavili je vprašanje, ker je frontna črta džihadistov razbita. Verjetno je nekaj pomagalo tudi to, da je Erdogan nekaj tisoč idlibskih džihadistov izvozil v Libijo.

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/12...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Po dobrih sedmih letih je le uspelo.

november 2012



november 2016

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Vojna cona..saj veš, tako kot Mosul in Raka. Če se nisi tedaj oglašal, se tudi sedaj ne bi rabil. Lahko bi pa malce preveril podatke o tem, da džihadisti civilistom niso dovoljevali zapuščati mest, saj jim je živi ščit popolnoma ustrezal za propagandne namene. Približno tako kot to počno Talibani v Afganistanu, saj veš, tisti del Al Qaede proti kateremu se borimo, namesto da jih podpiramo, tako kot v Idlibu.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Fritz ::

Marat al-Numan in velik del območja okrog njega - osvobojen. Ofenziva se nadaljuje, tokrat pri Alepu.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Vox: How Iran's Soleimani became a US target
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Vox: How Iran's Soleimani became a US target

Ostudna propaganda, polna laži in zavajanj. Bravo.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

windigo ::

Če že debatirate o Soleimaniju v tej temi, zgleda, da so Iranci sklatili Michaela D'Andrea z neba v Afganistanu, ki naj bi načrtoval vsaj operativo, če ne tudi strategije za raznimi atentati na BV.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200...

Pa zna bit, da bodo še koga.

Fritz ::

windigo je izjavil:

Če že debatirate o Soleimaniju v tej temi, zgleda, da so Iranci sklatili Michaela D'Andrea z neba v Afganistanu, ki naj bi načrtoval vsaj operativo, če ne tudi strategije za raznimi atentati na BV.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200...

Pa zna bit, da bodo še koga.

Tole bo treba prvo potrditi, ker se ne ve ali je letalo bilo dejansko sploh zrušeno in ali je na krovu res bil D'Andrea.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Fritz ::

Jugozahodno od Alepa so džihadisti že potisnjeni nazaj. Dokler jih ne bodo potisnili dovolj vstran od mesta na celi črti zahodno od Alepa, bodo ti nadaljevali z obstreljevanjem mesta.



Na jugu so po zavzetju Marat al-Numana namesto proti zahodu, obrnili na sever, proti Saraqibu, kar bi znalo biti zanimivo saj so Turki pred mestom včeraj postavili novo kontrolno točko.



"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

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windigo ::

Konec ljubezni med Erdoganom in Putinom je na obzorju.

Erdogan napoveduje podporo suverenosti Ukrajine, s katero zgledno sodeluje pri ugrabljanju in preganjanju Gullenovih privržencev, ki živijo tam ali so pribežali tja, obsoja priključitev Krima Rusiji, zagovarja ozemeljsko enotnost in nedeljivost Ukrajine in se bo v kratkem sestal v Kijevu z Zelenskim.

https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-ukraine/tu...

Potem, ko se je pokazalo, da se njihovi interesi v Libiji razhajajo, Putin podpira Haftarja, Erdogan vlado in ko je sirijska vojska močno pritisnila na Idlib, kjer tudi turške postojanke ne pomagajao preveč pri zaščiti ne idliba niti več turških vojakov stacioniranih tam in postaja jasno, da so Turki izgubil lanski zagon, vsaj brez večjih vojaških vložkov, Erdogan ne more več stati na mestu in še vedno biti upoštevan kot pomembna, če ne kar najpomembnejša lokalna sila na širšem območju BV.

Vendar z vsakim dejanjem izgubi kakšnega velikega zaveznika. Kitajci ga gledajo postrani zaradi turško govorečih Ujgurjev, katerih nacionalizem in islamsko identiteto podpria, pri Američanih ni večjega greha, kot je kupovanje orožja pri tekmecih, s Putinom se zgleda tudi počasi gleda postrani, Evropo izsiljuje že par let in iz več razlogov tam ni najbolje zapisan, KSA mu zameri podporo Katarju potem, ko je ta pristal v nemilosti, ker ni v celoti sledil smernicam MbS, preostane mu soliranje, ki ni ravno poceni, pomiritev s katerim od prej omenjenih, ali obrat k drugi lokalni sili, Iranu, kjer, če ima z njim kak spor, zanj ne vem.

Fritz ::

Erdogan je sledilec Muslimanske bratovščine in to je razlog, da podpira samooklicano vlado v Tripoliju, ki je dejansko predstavnica vrste džihadističnih skupin in džihadiste v Idlibu (poleg želja po ozemlju Sirije). Enako v primeru Katarja, kjer se z KSA tepe na liniji Muslimanska bratovščina-Vahabiti. Vsi ga nekako tolerirajo a pravih prijateljev nima saj je ideologija, ki jo pelje ravno tako bolana kot savdski Vahabizem. Glede Kitajcev pa drži, Turki so se oklicali za nekakšnega skrbnika vseh turkestanskih ljudstev, ki imajo svoje države ali pa so manjšina v drugih državah, zato so konflikti pričakovani.

Kar je najbolj pomembno, SAA napreduje vsako noč:
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Fritz ::

Današnje napredovanje. Popolnoma jasno je zakaj Erdogan izgublja živce, saj se ozemlje pod nadzorom Al-Kajde in džihadistov topi iz dneva v dan.

"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Fritz ::

Tole je že zastarela karta, saj je SAA v zadnjih nekaj urah še bolj napredovala:
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

korenje3 ::

Medtem se turška invazija nadaljuje. V sirijo so poslali že več 100 tankov.
Pentium I7 3770k@4,5Ghz; 16GB RAM@2133MHz; ASUS Radeon 6850 1GB;
SSD Kingston hyperX 240GB; 30" HPZR30w monitor;
BeQuiet! E9 580W; http://www.the-nox.com

Fritz ::

Vendar si še vedno ne upajo sprožiti direktnega spopada z SAA. Kar verjetno ne bi bilo dobro za vse tiste turške postojanke, ki so sedaj na ozemlju pod nadzorom SAA.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Fritz ::

Še malo o 'revoluciji, ki se je spontano začela':

"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Še en iz kluba starih prdcev. Vojna v Siriji je posledica arabske pomladi, tip pa plete neke zarote.

Syrian civil war @ Wikipedia

The unrest in Syria, part of a wider wave of the 2011 Arab Spring protests, grew out of discontent with the Syrian government and escalated to an armed conflict after protests calling for Assad's removal were violently suppressed.[108][109] The war, which began on 15 March 2011 with major unrest in Damascus and Aleppo

...

Socioeconomic inequality increased significantly after free market policies were initiated by Hafez al-Assad in his later years, and it accelerated after Bashar al-Assad came to power. With an emphasis on the service sector, these policies benefited a minority of the nation's population, mostly people who had connections with the government, and members of the Sunni merchant class of Damascus and Aleppo.[123] In 2010, Syria's nominal GDP per capita was only $2,834, comparable to Sub-Saharan African countries such as Nigeria and far lower than its neighbors such as Lebanon, with an annual growth rate of 3.39%, below most other developing countries.[124]

The country also faced particularly high youth unemployment rates.[125] At the start of the war, discontent against the government was strongest in Syria's poor areas, predominantly among conservative Sunnis.[123] These included cities with high poverty rates, such as Daraa and Homs, and the poorer districts of large cities.

This coincided with the most intense drought ever recorded in Syria, which lasted from 2006 to 2011 and resulted in widespread crop failure, an increase in food prices and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers.[126] This migration strained infrastructure already burdened by the influx of some 1.5 million refugees from the Iraq War.[127] The drought has been linked to anthropogenic global warming.[128][129][130] Adequate water supply continues to be an issue in the ongoing civil war and it is frequently the target of military action.[131]

The human rights situation in Syria has long been the subject of harsh critique from global organizations.[132] The rights of free expression, association and assembly were strictly controlled in Syria even before the uprising.[133] The country was under emergency rule from 1963 until 2011 and public gatherings of more than five people were banned.[134] Security forces had sweeping powers of arrest and detention.[135] Despite hopes for democratic change with the 2000 Damascus Spring, Bashar al-Assad was widely reported as having failed to implement any improvements. A Human Rights Watch report issued just before the beginning of the 2011 uprising stated that he had failed to substantially improve the state of human rights since taking power.[136]




OPCW je včeraj izdal poročilo o samooklicanih žvižgačih. Ian Henderson ni bil del FFM in je nekaj soliral, "Alex" pa je organizacijo zapustil avgusta 2018, zato se njegove navedbe nanašajo na delovne verzije poročil.
Končna je bila objavljena marca 2019, brez (večine) izpostavljenih problemov.

The OPCW Douma Leaks Part 1: We Need To Talk About “Alex”

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

arnecan1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Še en iz kluba starih prdcev. Vojna v Siriji je posledica arabske pomladi, tip pa plete neke zarote.

Syrian civil war @ Wikipedia

The unrest in Syria, part of a wider wave of the 2011 Arab Spring protests, grew out of discontent with the Syrian government and escalated to an armed conflict after protests calling for Assad's removal were violently suppressed.[108][109] The war, which began on 15 March 2011 with major unrest in Damascus and Aleppo

...

Socioeconomic inequality increased significantly after free market policies were initiated by Hafez al-Assad in his later years, and it accelerated after Bashar al-Assad came to power. With an emphasis on the service sector, these policies benefited a minority of the nation's population, mostly people who had connections with the government, and members of the Sunni merchant class of Damascus and Aleppo.[123] In 2010, Syria's nominal GDP per capita was only $2,834, comparable to Sub-Saharan African countries such as Nigeria and far lower than its neighbors such as Lebanon, with an annual growth rate of 3.39%, below most other developing countries.[124]

The country also faced particularly high youth unemployment rates.[125] At the start of the war, discontent against the government was strongest in Syria's poor areas, predominantly among conservative Sunnis.[123] These included cities with high poverty rates, such as Daraa and Homs, and the poorer districts of large cities.

This coincided with the most intense drought ever recorded in Syria, which lasted from 2006 to 2011 and resulted in widespread crop failure, an increase in food prices and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers.[126] This migration strained infrastructure already burdened by the influx of some 1.5 million refugees from the Iraq War.[127] The drought has been linked to anthropogenic global warming.[128][129][130] Adequate water supply continues to be an issue in the ongoing civil war and it is frequently the target of military action.[131]

The human rights situation in Syria has long been the subject of harsh critique from global organizations.[132] The rights of free expression, association and assembly were strictly controlled in Syria even before the uprising.[133] The country was under emergency rule from 1963 until 2011 and public gatherings of more than five people were banned.[134] Security forces had sweeping powers of arrest and detention.[135] Despite hopes for democratic change with the 2000 Damascus Spring, Bashar al-Assad was widely reported as having failed to implement any improvements. A Human Rights Watch report issued just before the beginning of the 2011 uprising stated that he had failed to substantially improve the state of human rights since taking power.[136]




OPCW je včeraj izdal poročilo o samooklicanih žvižgačih. Ian Henderson ni bil del FFM in je nekaj soliral, "Alex" pa je organizacijo zapustil avgusta 2018, zato se njegove navedbe nanašajo na delovne verzije poročil.
Končna je bila objavljena marca 2019, brez (večine) izpostavljenih problemov.

The OPCW Douma Leaks Part 1: We Need To Talk About “Alex”

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status...

Ne vem sicer koliko resnice vsebuje ta video, ampak prosim o arabski pomladi pa idi nabijat na otroške forume.8-O Pa lepo te prosim, pa saj mi tukaj nismo stari 5 let, no. A sedaj bodo islamistični glavorezci kar naenkrat postali borci za demokracijo? v katerem svetu V katerem stoletju? Pa že samo tukaj smo ti in normalni ljudje svetlobna leta narazen.

Mi smo v 21. stoletju, ti in islamistični borci za demokracijo pa ste v 9. stoletju.

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Pac-Man ::

Islamistični glavorezci so prevzeli komando od borcev za demokracijo.

Tale komi je bil en od prvih vodij.

George Sabra @ Wikipedia
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Ne se preveč sekirat, če o tem ne veš ničesar. Spodnji video je z novembra 2012 in ima 138 ogledov.

George Sabra o stanju u Siriji - Al Jazeera Balkans
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Še en iz kluba starih prdcev. Vojna v Siriji je posledica arabske pomladi, tip pa plete neke zarote.


In kaj je bila arabska pomlad drugega kot kup propagande za potrebe in rušenja režimov, ki so trn v peti zahoda?

Libija - liberated
Iraq - liberated
Syria - to do
Iran - to do
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Fritz ::

Čeprav so prej zanikali, smo vedeli. Sedaj je on the record.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr...

Da Izrael ni podpiral sirske 5. kolone je resnica ravno toliko kot to, da je bila vstaja v Siriji posledica notranjega upora 'demokratičnih sil'.

Novo napredovanje južno od Alepa. Še malo pa bo avtocesta M5 Damask-Alepo ponovno odprta.

"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

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Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

In kaj je bila arabska pomlad drugega kot kup propagande za potrebe in rušenja režimov, ki so trn v peti zahoda?

Arabci so se nesposobni upret svojim režimom oz. morajo mirno trpet vse muke ker 'merica=BAD?

Arab Spring @ Wikipedia

The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي) was a series of anti-government protests, uprisings, and armed rebellions that spread across much of the Islamic world in the early 2010s. It began in response to oppressive regimes and a low standard of living, starting with protests in Tunisia (Noueihed, 2011; Maleki, 2011).[1][2] The protests then spread to five other countries: Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Bahrain, where either the regime was toppled or major uprisings and social violence occurred, including riots, civil wars or insurgencies. Sustained street demonstrations took place in Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Iranian Khuzestan,[citation needed] Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman and Sudan. Minor protests occurred in Djibouti, Mauritania, the Palestinian National Authority, Saudi Arabia, and the Moroccan-occupied Western Sahara.[3] A major slogan of the demonstrators in the Arab world is ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ an-niẓām ("the people want to bring down the regime").[4]
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

korenje3 ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Vendar si še vedno ne upajo sprožiti direktnega spopada z SAA. Kar verjetno ne bi bilo dobro za vse tiste turške postojanke, ki so sedaj na ozemlju pod nadzorom SAA.


Ne upajo zaradi rusov saj ne pustijo turških letal blizu. Brez turškega letalstva bi verjetno SAA pohopsala vse turke.

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Pac-Man je izjavil:

Še en iz kluba starih prdcev. Vojna v Siriji je posledica arabske pomladi, tip pa plete neke zarote.


In kaj je bila arabska pomlad drugega kot kup propagande za potrebe in rušenja režimov, ki so trn v peti zahoda?

Libija - liberated
Iraq - liberated
Syria - to do
Iran - to do


Vojna v siriji je posledica ameriškega imperializma. Podkupili so nekaj sirskih generalov. Ostalo so pa uvozili iz libije.
Ko so teroristi zasegli mejne prehode se je invazija iz celega sveta začela predvsem zaradi medijske propagande.
Dejstvo je da se je v sirji uprlo 5% sircev, ostalo so vsi tujci.

Dober dokaz je ko so američani zapustili sirijo ... sam ker je Trump pozabil na nafto so se vrnili in zasegli naftna črpališča.
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korenje3 ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Čeprav so prej zanikali, smo vedeli. Sedaj je on the record.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr...

Da Izrael ni podpiral sirske 5. kolone je resnica ravno toliko kot to, da je bila vstaja v Siriji posledica notranjega upora 'demokratičnih sil'.

Novo napredovanje južno od Alepa. Še malo pa bo avtocesta M5 Damask-Alepo ponovno odprta.



To ni nobena novica. Sej smo že pred 5 leti videli, kako so se ob ograji na strani izraela pomikali teroristi v osednji del od koder so izvedli invazijo. Pa da so sirijci po osvoboditvi našli en kup izraelskega orožja...
Da ne omenjam turkov, ki dajajo vojaška vozila teroristom v idlibu. Nekatera vozila so uporabljali tudi za samomore.
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Fritz ::

Novica je, da so sami Izraelci javno potrdili to, kar so do sedaj zanikali. Po domače povedano..lagali so, to pa res ni nič novega.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

In kaj je bila arabska pomlad drugega kot kup propagande za potrebe in rušenja režimov, ki so trn v peti zahoda?

Arabci so se nesposobni upret svojim režimom oz. morajo mirno trpet vse muke ker 'merica=BAD?

Arab Spring @ Wikipedia

The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي) was a series of anti-government protests, uprisings, and armed rebellions that spread across much of the Islamic world in the early 2010s. It began in response to oppressive regimes and a low standard of living, starting with protests in Tunisia (Noueihed, 2011; Maleki, 2011).[1][2] The protests then spread to five other countries: Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Bahrain, where either the regime was toppled or major uprisings and social violence occurred, including riots, civil wars or insurgencies. Sustained street demonstrations took place in Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Iranian Khuzestan,[citation needed] Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman and Sudan. Minor protests occurred in Djibouti, Mauritania, the Palestinian National Authority, Saudi Arabia, and the Moroccan-occupied Western Sahara.[3] A major slogan of the demonstrators in the Arab world is ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ an-niẓām ("the people want to bring down the regime").[4]


Komot se uprejo. Edino kaj so v končni fazi imeli od tega? Jim je danes v Libiji bolje? V Siriji? Jemnu?
Ne pozabi, da so se v njih stekali miljoni s strani držav, ki jim je bilo v interesu netiti in podpirati proteste. In to ne, ker bi lokalcem želeli prinesti svobodo, ampak zgolj, da sesujejo vlado.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Fritz ::

Običajno se mi ne da ponavljati a bom še enkrat. Te družbe še niso zrele za demokracijo. Saj temu še mi nismo čisto dorasli. In če gredo rušiti sekularnega prosvetljenega diktatorja, po možnosti s podporo zalivskih držav, bo rezultat tak kot je v Siriji in Libiji. Izraelu pa to čisto lepo ustreza.

Assad ni najboljša rešitev, je le najmanj slaba izmed kopice slabih. Enako je veljalo za Saddama in Gadafija.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Izrael je sprožil salvo na Damask, sirska zračna obramba je poskusila prestreči rakete, potniško letalo pa se je preusmerilo na rusko bazo v Hmeimimu. Da se ne bi ponovil Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri...

A passenger plane carrying 172 passengers from Tehran (nižje piše Najaf) to Damascus made an emergency landing at the Russian-controlled Hmeimim Air Base in Syria on Thursday to avoid coming under fire from Syrian air defenses, Russia said on Friday.

The Syrian forces were responding to Israeli strikes on targets in Syria, Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov was quoted as saying by Interfax and other Russian agencies.

The Airbus A320 (AIR.PA) had been coming into land at Damascus International Airport when it was forced to divert to the nearest alternative airfield, the Hmeimim Air Base near Latakia in northwest Syria, which is operated by the Russian military.

Konashenkov did not name the airline. Data from Flight Radar showed a flight from the Iraqi city of Najaf had been diverted from Damascus toward Hmeimim. That was a Syrian Cham Wings plane. The airline could not immediately be reached for comment.

...

Konashenkov accused Israel of using civilian aircraft as cover to block Syrian air defenses from responding to Israeli combat missions, which he said had become a characteristic feature of the Israeli air force.

“Such operations by Israeli strategists gamble the lives of hundreds of innocent people,” Konashenkov said.


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Komot se uprejo. Edino kaj so v končni fazi imeli od tega? Jim je danes v Libiji bolje? V Siriji? Jemnu?


Saj so se. Časovni stroj ne obstaja, zato današnje stanje ne more imeti nobenega vpliva na dogodke iz l. 2011/12.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Fritz ::

Del današnjega napredovanja SAA:

"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

jype ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Te družbe še niso zrele za demokracijo.
To ne drži.

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Jarno ::

jype je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

Te družbe še niso zrele za demokracijo.
To ne drži.

Dejstev ne boš mogel ignorirati v nedogled. Lahko si sicer zagledan v simpatične bradače porjavele kože, ampak tradicionalno raje poslušajo karizmatične osebnosti, imaginarnega "moža" oz. oblike oblasti, ki niso demokratično izvoljeni predstavniki ljudstva.
#Lewdy Kure pepelaugh

Fritz ::

No, recimo, da potencialno so zreli a ne vidim možnosti za neko demokracijo tipa Švedska ali Nemčija v kratkem času. Tunizija je relativno razvita, imela je veliko stika z Evropo in je edina izšla dokaj normalna iz barvne revolucije zato, ker je varnostni aparat ostal bolj kot ne nedotaknjen. Pa imajo sami velikanske težave z islamističnimi skrajneži.

Ali pa če vzamemo Rusijo, ki se je z 'demokratizacijo' začela posedati vase, saj je postala plen oligarhov in zahoda. Prvo bodo morali postati bolj razvita in močnejša država, šele potem se lahko začnejo odpirati in mehčati.

Zato, ker zahoda in ljudi ki obvladujejo zahod ne zanima demokracija ampak kako izkoristiti in zaslužiti.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

windigo ::

Protiofenziva HTS in kompanjonov se je začela v Idlibu. Erdogan je načelno dal SAA čas do konca februarja, da se umakne na začetno razmejitev ki sta jo določili Rusija in Turčija, stran od turških opazovalnic, potem pa bo morda na koncu moral vseeno v Idlib bolj odločno s turškimi naborniki, čeprav morda doma to ne bo tako zelo navdušeno sprejeto. Vsekakor se splača prej sprobat, če morda ne bo šlo bolj gladko. Pred tem pa je verjetno založil svoje zmerne glavorezce z vso opremo morda celo tja do tankov (pred dnevi so opazili nekje 100 turških tankov na poti v Idlib).

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ji...

Fritz ::

Erdo je lahko čačkal nekaj proti Kurdom, ki niso del sirske vojske a napad na sirsko vojsko, na sirskem ozemlju je napad na drugo državo. Da ne bo potem jokcal v NATU, ko bo dobil po prstih.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
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