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zmaugy ::

A še komu ni jasno, da EU rabi lastno vojsko in da je treba iz NATO pakta zabrisat ZDA in Turčijo?
Biseri...

zmaugy ::

Glede na tale članek, so Američani prepričali Kurde, da podrejo ovire in utrdbe na meji s Turčijo, predno se je začela štala z umikim ameriških vojakov.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/12/poli...

Prav nategnili so jih. Toliko o tem, kako zanseljiv zaveznik so Američani.
Biseri...

Poldi112 ::

nsa_ag3nt je izjavil:


Sedaj bi morali biti vsem jasno, da bi jih moral čakati po porazu kalifata enak konec kot premagane naciste/kolaborant po koncu ww2...


Integracija nazaj v družbo ni ravno opcija, ker jih matične države nočejo nazaj.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Mr.B ::

zmaugy je izjavil:

Glede na tale članek, so Američani prepričali Kurde, da podrejo ovire in utrdbe na meji s Turčijo, predno se je začela štala z umikim ameriških vojakov.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/12/poli...

Prav nategnili so jih. Toliko o tem, kako zanseljiv zaveznik so Američani.

Dramaturška predstava židovskega medija.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

zmaugy ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

zmaugy je izjavil:

Glede na tale članek, so Američani prepričali Kurde, da podrejo ovire in utrdbe na meji s Turčijo, predno se je začela štala z umikim ameriških vojakov.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/12/poli...

Prav nategnili so jih. Toliko o tem, kako zanseljiv zaveznik so Američani.

Dramaturška predstava židovskega medija.


Koliko misliš da je za gospodarje tvojih možganov vredno tvoje življenje in življenje tvojih bližnjih? Kako hitro te bojo po uporabil odvrgli?
Biseri...

Mr.B ::

zmaugy je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

zmaugy je izjavil:

Glede na tale članek, so Američani prepričali Kurde, da podrejo ovire in utrdbe na meji s Turčijo, predno se je začela štala z umikim ameriških vojakov.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/12/poli...

Prav nategnili so jih. Toliko o tem, kako zanseljiv zaveznik so Američani.

Dramaturška predstava židovskega medija.


Koliko misliš da je za gospodarje tvojih možganov vredno tvoje življenje in življenje tvojih bližnjih? Kako hitro te bojo po uporabil odvrgli?

A dej no , šli bodo k rusom. O njihovi zgodovini se je odločilo najprej pred dobrim mesecem med Asado – Putinom – turčino. Šel bomo k Rusom se sliši nekako strašenje neizobraženih z bavbavom…

PS : ja škoda za nacija, ki misli da CNN ni v lasti žida. No večina svetovnih medijev, ki jih ti bereš in gledaš so v lasti Žida.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Poldi112 ::

>Prav nategnili so jih. Toliko o tem, kako zanseljiv zaveznik so Američani.

Natega je precej močna beseda. Kot ona zgodba, ko oče leta podpira enega klošarja, nato pa gre sin na faks in ves denar začne pošiljat gor za študij. In ko klošar izve razlog, da je ob sredstva, reče: "Lepa natega, sina študira na moje stroške".
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Brez komentarja.

https://twitter.com/yenisafak/status/11...
Hevin Halef, Secretary General of the Future Party of Syria, one of the political extensions of the terrorist organization PYD in Syria, was neutralized by a successful operation.



Yeni %C5%9Eafak @ Wikipedia
Yeni Şafak ("New Dawn") is a conservative Turkish daily newspaper. The newspaper is known for its hardline support of president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the AK Parti and has a very close relationship with the Turkish government.[2][3][4] It, together with other media organizations in Turkey, has been accused of using hate speech to target minorities and opposition groups.



Kurdish Future Movement in Syria @ Wikipedia
The Kurdish Future Movement in Syria (Arabic: تيار المستقبل الكردي في سوريا‎, Kurdish: Şepêla Pêsrojê ya Kurdî li Sûriyê‎) is a liberal Syrian Kurdish political party established in 2005 by Mashaal Tammo, who in 2011 was assassinated. Following internal leadership battles, the party has suffered a split, with both factions continuing to exist under the same name.
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Having survived a first assassination attempt in August, Mashaal Tammo was however killed on a second attempt November 11 in Qamishli.[2] Rezan Bahri Shaykhmus, chairman of the party's Office of General Communications, blamed the Syrian intelligence services having killed founding leader Tammo,[5] and indeed in October 2012, TV network Al Arabiya published leaked files indicating that Tammo was assassinated by the Air Force Intelligence Directorate and upon presidential order by Bashar al-Assad.[6]




http://m-syria-d.com/en/1326
It is with great sorrow and sadness to receive the news of the martyrdom of the Secretary General of the Future Syria Party, Hevrin Khalaf on the morning of October 12, 2019. She was taken out of her car during a Turkish-backed attack and executed by Turkish backed mercenary factions on the International Road between Qamishlo and Manbij, where her driver who was also martyred.

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Hevrin Khalaf, Secretary General of the Future Syria Party, born in Derik 1984, graduated from the Faculty of Civil Engineering in 2009 and had a prominent role in creating a comprehensive Syrian case that gives hope to all Syrians through her new party, amid the sectarian divisions that have ravaged Syria, and amid international and regional policies that plan for Syria in accordance with their interests, which made the Syrians lose hope for the future of a united and democratic Syria considering that chaos and crisis was spreading throughout the country.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

jype ::

Fašisti pobijajo demokrate, kot vedno. Zdaj je čas, da se bombardira Ankaro. Dokler ima Trump nepremičnine v Istanbulu, se je ne bo, zato je najbolje, da se najprej podre te.

Pac-Man ::

V Angleščini. Podoben ton mi je znan iz najbolj trčenih ruskih medijev.

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/columns/ib...

Turkey, which is cornered from Iraq and Syria, from the East Mediterranean, from the Aegean, from the southern shores of the Black Sea, which is forced to surrender through the “native invasion fronts” within, which witnessed efforts to face the same fate as Syria through the July 15 coup attempt, managed to play the game of states, the game of powers in the best way possible, and carefully calculated the regional and global power operations.

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Turkey appears to be fighting against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and Daesh, but it is, in fact, fighting this multinational front. This is the magnitude of the decisions made, the steps taken. It is much beyond the PKK, Daesh, and as a matter of fact, transcends the Syria war.

The force and mind standing against us with the U.S. established order, central European countries, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and Israel is a global mind. This is the sort of mind and power Turkey is up against.

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From now on, Turkey’s every action is going to cause regional tremors and global power shifts. Now, those who do not believe in Turkey, who do not believe in its power, its means, its mind and foresight need to believe too. Because this is the course history will take.

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That entire corridor spanning the Iranian border and the Mediterranean is going to be purged. A Turkey zone, a peace zone is going to be built there. The uniting mind is going to become even stronger against those dividing the region. This mind is going to become even more rooted in our region in the upcoming years.

We are not fighting an ethnic war on these lands – we never did. For a millennium, it was always others that tried to divide us while we strove for unity. Today, again, it is others dividing while we strive to unite. The Arab world is fast collapsing, the region is being divided all over again. We are the only ones trying to unite and recover it. Who else is there that unites all ethnic elements in the region as much as this nation?

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President Erdoğan is the pioneer, the bearer of that political legacy from the Seljuks, the Ottomans, and the Turkish Republic to the future. He is the leader of a rising era. He is the spokesperson of a history-making gene.

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May God grant strength to Chief Commander Erdoğan, who took this historic decision and executed it and demonstrated to the world once more his admirable leadership and history-making power.

May God grant victory to all our troops on the front and the National Military of Syria fighting alongside them.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

jype ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

President Erdogan is the pioneer, the bearer of that political legacy from the Seljuks, the Ottomans, and the Turkish Republic to the future. He is the leader of a rising era. He is the spokesperson of a history-making gene.

friendbreez ::

jype je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

President Erdogan is the pioneer, the bearer of that political legacy from the Seljuks, the Ottomans, and the Turkish Republic to the future. He is the leader of a rising era. He is the spokesperson of a history-making gene.



Redko preberem Pac-manove citate, ampak ta zadnji je pa najbrž NAJBOLJ UDAREN:

President Erdoğan is the pioneer, the bearer of that political legacy from the Seljuks, the Ottomans, and the Turkish Republic to the future. He is the leader of a rising era. He is the spokesperson of a history-making gene.

...

May God grant strength to Chief Commander Erdoğan, who took this historic decision and executed it and demonstrated to the world once more his admirable leadership and history-making power.

May God grant victory to all our troops on the front and the National Military of Syria fighting alongside them.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

V Angleščini. Podoben ton mi je znan iz najbolj trčenih ruskih medijev.

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/columns/ib...

Turkey, which is cornered from Iraq and Syria, from the East Mediterranean, from the Aegean, from the southern shores of the Black Sea, which is forced to surrender through the “native invasion fronts” within, which witnessed efforts to face the same fate as Syria through the July 15 coup attempt, managed to play the game of states, the game of powers in the best way possible, and carefully calculated the regional and global power operations.

...

Turkey appears to be fighting against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and Daesh, but it is, in fact, fighting this multinational front. This is the magnitude of the decisions made, the steps taken. It is much beyond the PKK, Daesh, and as a matter of fact, transcends the Syria war.

The force and mind standing against us with the U.S. established order, central European countries, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and Israel is a global mind. This is the sort of mind and power Turkey is up against.

...

From now on, Turkey’s every action is going to cause regional tremors and global power shifts. Now, those who do not believe in Turkey, who do not believe in its power, its means, its mind and foresight need to believe too. Because this is the course history will take.

...

That entire corridor spanning the Iranian border and the Mediterranean is going to be purged. A Turkey zone, a peace zone is going to be built there. The uniting mind is going to become even stronger against those dividing the region. This mind is going to become even more rooted in our region in the upcoming years.

We are not fighting an ethnic war on these lands – we never did. For a millennium, it was always others that tried to divide us while we strove for unity. Today, again, it is others dividing while we strive to unite. The Arab world is fast collapsing, the region is being divided all over again. We are the only ones trying to unite and recover it. Who else is there that unites all ethnic elements in the region as much as this nation?

...

President Erdoğan is the pioneer, the bearer of that political legacy from the Seljuks, the Ottomans, and the Turkish Republic to the future. He is the leader of a rising era. He is the spokesperson of a history-making gene.

...

May God grant strength to Chief Commander Erdoğan, who took this historic decision and executed it and demonstrated to the world once more his admirable leadership and history-making power.

May God grant victory to all our troops on the front and the National Military of Syria fighting alongside them.

Pa kjub zacetnemu TVOJEMU komentarju si sposoben dati svoj doprinos temi.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Plot twist, ki ga nisem pričakoval. Glavna jamrača čez njih bereta ne-ravno-moje traktate.
Smrk Smrk, se bom še razjokal.


Okej gremo naprej.
NYT je dokazal, da je Rusija maja letos v 12 urah bombardirala 4 bolnišnice. Najbolj obtožujoči so posnetki komunikacije s kontrolo poletov, kjer dobijo koordinate in potrdijo kinetično akcijo proti cilju.

Na povezavi je video, kjer je vse razloženo.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/worl...

The Russian Air Force has repeatedly bombed hospitals in Syria in order to crush the last pockets of resistance to President Bashar al-Assad, according to an investigation by The New York Times.

An analysis of previously unpublished Russian Air Force radio recordings, plane spotter logs and witness accounts allowed The Times to trace bombings of four hospitals in just 12 hours in May and tie Russian pilots to each one.

The 12-hour period beginning on May 5 represents a small slice of the air war in Syria, but it is a microcosm of Russia’s four-year military intervention in Syria’s civil war.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Plot twist, ki ga nisem pričakoval. Glavna jamrača čez njih bereta ne-ravno-moje traktate.
Smrk Smrk, se bom še razjokal.


Okej gremo naprej.
NYT je dokazal, da je Rusija maja letos v 12 urah bombardirala 4 bolnišnice. Najbolj obtožujoči so posnetki komunikacije s kontrolo poletov, kjer dobijo koordinate in potrdijo kinetično akcijo proti cilju.

Na povezavi je video, kjer je vse razloženo.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/worl...

The Russian Air Force has repeatedly bombed hospitals in Syria in order to crush the last pockets of resistance to President Bashar al-Assad, according to an investigation by The New York Times.

An analysis of previously unpublished Russian Air Force radio recordings, plane spotter logs and witness accounts allowed The Times to trace bombings of four hospitals in just 12 hours in May and tie Russian pilots to each one.

The 12-hour period beginning on May 5 represents a small slice of the air war in Syria, but it is a microcosm of Russia’s four-year military intervention in Syria’s civil war.

Is it really possible that all the people are terrorists?

according to US media: they are
Both the United States and Israel routinely engage in acts of terrorism against suspected enemies. Often, these enemies are accused of terrorism, and the claim that these people are terrorists is used to justify assassination by missile fired from drones, target killings, or attacks by surrogates.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

In tvoj protiargument je peticija izpred osmih let? Z osmimi podpisniki?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

In tvoj protiargument je peticija izpred osmih let? Z osmimi podpisniki?

Torej morajo rusi še vsaj 8 let bombardirat, no odsedaj po tvojem linku skoraj 570 dokumentiranih napadih na bolnice v Siriji, da bo "Targeted killing" pač po tvojem sprejemljivo dejstvo.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Fritz ::

Jah, bombardirali so 89765487 bolnic v Idlibu, iz katerih so vodili operacije 'demokratični vstajniki', ki sedaj koljejo Kurde na severu Sirije.

Podoben ton kot iz najbolj trčenih zahodnih medijev ali kako že to gre... 8-)
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

jype ::

Nobenega dvoma ni, da praktično nobeni izmed vpletenih nimajo nobenih zadržkov izvajati zločine proti človeštvu, z izjemo morda tistih, ki branijo svojo domačo grudo pred nasilneži od drugod.

Pac-Man ::

Fritz je izjavil:

Jah, bombardirali so 89765487 bolnic v Idlibu, iz katerih so vodili operacije 'demokratični vstajniki', ki sedaj koljejo Kurde na severu Sirije.


"Bolnice" so male in vkopane - par postelj.

Se ti ne zdi, da je na območju kjer poteka kinetično vojskovanje velika potreba po zdravniških uslugah?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

#000000 ::

Ali je Greta že na poti da jih skurca kaj se le grejo madona ?

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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

Jah, bombardirali so 89765487 bolnic v Idlibu, iz katerih so vodili operacije 'demokratični vstajniki', ki sedaj koljejo Kurde na severu Sirije.


"Bolnice" so male in vkopane - par postelj.

Se ti ne zdi, da je na območju kjer poteka kinetično vojskovanje velika potreba po zdravniških uslugah?

Misliš , da če mu odtrga prst, da ne rabi zdravnika da mu ga prišije.. al je bolj tako yakuza style.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Fritz je izjavil:

Jah, bombardirali so 89765487 bolnic v Idlibu, iz katerih so vodili operacije 'demokratični vstajniki', ki sedaj koljejo Kurde na severu Sirije.


"Bolnice" so male in vkopane - par postelj.

Se ti ne zdi, da je na območju kjer poteka kinetično vojskovanje velika potreba po zdravniških uslugah?

Ja, bolnišnice...

In koliko bolnišnic ima ena Slovenija, z vso infrastrukturo in 2M prebivalcev? 10, splošnih, 14 specializiranih in 2 UKC. Očitno je bil Idlib pred vojno ena najbolj razvitih regij na svetu, kjer so imeli eno bolnišnico na prebivalca.

Seveda ni tako, ker par postelj ni bolnišnica, tudi ambulanta ne temveč kvečjemu kakšna oskrbovalna postaja na bojišču. In ker se ta običajno nahaja blizu poveljstva, ki se ga odkriva z izvidovanjem iz zraka (droni) ali z lociranjem virov elektromagnetnega sevanja, so takšne lokacije tudi prioritetna tarča. In potem kar pogosto beremo, kako je bil v ozadju 'napadov na bolnišnice' ubit kak vodja islamistične skupine.

Te iste skupine iz Idliba, ki jih ruske in sirske sile bombardirajo in napadajo, so tisti islamistični pacienti, ki jih Turčija uporablja proti Kurdom. Kurdski voditelji pa medtem še vedno idiotsko čakajo namesto, da bi se pogajali z Damaskom.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/13/midd...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Zheegec ::

#000000 je izjavil:

Ali je Greta že na poti da jih skurca kaj se le grejo madona ?

Ah ja. Če okoljska aktivistka ni hkrati tudi glasna proti vsem ostalim neumnostim ki se trenutno dogajajo so njena mnenja glede okoljskega aktivizma nepomembna ali kako?

Anyway, prav smešno je kako Nemčija in Francija sedaj (najbrž začasno) prekinjajo prodajo orožja Turčiji. Turčija ima itak že veliko zalogo in lahko počne praktično kar hoče. Prej so ga podpirali, sedaj pa so nenadoma ugotovili da Erdogan mogoče ni najbolj pošten in human človek! Bravo, Francija in Nemčija. Res ste pametni in sploh ne cinični.

Prvi ISIS zaporniki so že pobegnili iz zaporov, ker so Kurdi evakuirali napadena območja. Še tisoče jih je v zaporih. Turčija je praktično air-force od ISISa.
"božja zapoved pravi; <Spoštuj očeta in mater>,
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014

Pac-Man ::

Situacija je malo bolj komplicirana, ampak v osnovi gre za komentar na Vietorjevo zgražanje ob trenutnem dogajanju v Siriji. Vietor je bil del administracije, ko je Obama postavil svojo rdečo črto, ampak jo je zapustil pred assadovim krepkim korakom čez.

Tommy Vietor @ Wikipedia
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/15/17238568/...

https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat...

If you served at the highest levels of the United States national security apparatus, you will have, invariably, either inflicted or permitted absolutely unspeakable violence in this world. A moral being must grapple with what that means for their soul and their record on earth.

It's tough. All but impossible to resolve for one person in one lifetime. But adding ten lines to your book about how you had a tummy-ache and wanted to do something but the president made a tough call and in retrospect, you've come around to his greater wisdom, that ain't it. There's actually a pretty great literature by American soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, grappling with what they have and haven't done. Much of it is deeply religious. I recommend those of us who spend all day with policy abstractions make time for such accounts.

Again, my issue isn't even with one position or another but with the disturbing mix of high-functioning professionalism and profound moral unseriousness. Even the Bush people showed more capacity for self-reflection. The mere thought of having to actually bear the burden of these decisions makes me want to curl up in a ball. So the fact that certain people just move right on to podcasting and MSNBC is just wild to me.

Like, take a year, move to a cabin to think. Come back and tell us what you saw.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Odlično.

Namesto, da bi ZDA zadevo ustavile na začetku, bomo imeli konflikt med Turčijo in Sirijo. Iran bo na sirski strani, kam se bo postavila Rusija je še vprašanje. Morda prevzame vlogo velikega mirovnika?

https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/118...

To prevent a looming Turkish-led offensive on Manbij, the SDF has agreed to surrender the town to the Assad regime. Kobanî, which survived months of ISIS siege, previously home to 2 US bases, will be handed over as well.
Several families in Manbij are preparing to flee because their relatives were involved in anti-regime activities. Most will stay. They want stability & are tired of displacement. Acc to Syrian Army sources, initial deployment will be only along frontlines to fend off Turk attack
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Odlično.

Namesto, da bi ZDA zadevo ustavile na začetku, bomo imeli konflikt med Turčijo in Sirijo. Iran bo na sirski strani, kam se bo postavila Rusija je še vprašanje. Morda prevzame vlogo velikega mirovnika?

https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/118...

To prevent a looming Turkish-led offensive on Manbij, the SDF has agreed to surrender the town to the Assad regime. Kobanî, which survived months of ISIS siege, previously home to 2 US bases, will be handed over as well.
Several families in Manbij are preparing to flee because their relatives were involved in anti-regime activities. Most will stay. They want stability & are tired of displacement. Acc to Syrian Army sources, initial deployment will be only along frontlines to fend off Turk attack

Kaj ti nismo jasno povedal... O siriji so odločili Asad - Putim - Turčina. Amerikanci so se samo umaknili s predstavo, na kateri si se nataknil..
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

Pac-Man ::

Na Iran si pozabil.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

hammock ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Na Iran si pozabil.

Iran bi znal vojasko pomagati Siriji z orozji, malo bolj naprednimi od bomb iz sodov. Smo videli v Savdski Arabiji kaj lahko z rafinerijo naredi par raket. Turek sicer ima vse kapacitete da sesuje SAA v dveh tednih, ampak preko ruskega letalstva ne bodo upali.

Kar jebena situacija, v bistvu.

jype ::

Ah, saj ni samo na Bližnjem vzhodu tako.

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/stat...

nsa_ag3nt ::

Report: Syrian army to enter SDF-held Kobani, Manbij
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri...


link od almayadeen oz sana je v arabščini
http://www.almayadeen.net/news/politics...

https://sana.sy/en/?p=175768
https://sana.sy/?p=1034447


Na kurdski strani rudaw je enaka novica
https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeas...
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five

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Mr.B ::

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Na Iran si pozabil.

Iran bi znal vojasko pomagati Siriji z orozji, malo bolj naprednimi od bomb iz sodov. Smo videli v Savdski Arabiji kaj lahko z rafinerijo naredi par raket. Turek sicer ima vse kapacitete da sesuje SAA v dveh tednih, ampak preko ruskega letalstva ne bodo upali.

Kar jebena situacija, v bistvu.

Samo nekaj malo manevrirnih cigar, je spravilo rafinerijo SA na kolena. In da ja vse neke rakete zaščite so kazala v nasprotno smer....
Ob tem da je koliko sto + mijard orožja kupila SA, da se konstantno preletava ozemlje, kjer ima amerika baze, v končni fazi je v zraku gora dronov, in nihče ne zna pokazati s prstom, kje je poletela ta cigara..

Da če sedaj masovno spuisti te cigare na SA in uniči tudi te patriotke, kaj misliš koliko tistih balističnih raket bo priletelo iz irana…
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Zheegec ::

Some good news.

o Kurds/SDF STRIKE DEAL W ASSAD
o Syria Regime Deployments NE to counter Turkey
o US to start withdrawal "in days"
"božja zapoved pravi; <Spoštuj očeta in mater>,
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014

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Mr.B ::

Ja Asad gre na proti zapreti obroč okoli kurdow.
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Zheegec ::

Bomo videli, kaj so se točno zmenili. Vsekakor je bilo izredno naivno s strani Kurdov da so zaupali Amerom. Američani so jih izdali že 7x dosedaj ko jih niso več rabili, dogovor s Sirijo je edina opcija za njih.
"božja zapoved pravi; <Spoštuj očeta in mater>,
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014

Mr.B ::

Zheegec je izjavil:

Bomo videli, kaj so se točno zmenili. Vsekakor je bilo izredno naivno s strani Kurdov da so zaupali Amerom. Američani so jih izdali že 7x dosedaj ko jih niso več rabili, dogovor s Sirijo je edina opcija za njih.

Ok, ASAD gre na poti Turški invaziji.
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Mitchoo ::

jype je izjavil:

Ah, saj ni samo na Bližnjem vzhodu tako.

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/stat...


Jure, a veš da v Rojavi drugače dejansko furajo neke vrste anarhijo? Bi bilo škoda, če bi Turki prekinili ta eksperiment.

xxxul ::

Zheegec je izjavil:

Bomo videli, kaj so se točno zmenili. Vsekakor je bilo izredno naivno s strani Kurdov da so zaupali Amerom. Američani so jih izdali že 7x dosedaj ko jih niso več rabili, dogovor s Sirijo je edina opcija za njih.

A so ameri kdaj uradno rekl da bodo podprl Kurdistan (samostojno Kurdsko državo)? Al pa vsaj neuradno?

Fritz ::

Če bi se Kurdi z Damaskom pogajali na višku moči, bi morda kaj od tega zelo naprednega sistema ostalo, sedaj pa je vprašanje kaj se bo izcimilo iz tega.

Iran se lahko drži nazaj, ker ima pri Assadu dovolj kredita za dve življenji in ga zanima predvsem mostišče do Libanona. Rusi in Turki se bodo morda kaj dogovorili, ker če pride do turškega napada na sile SAA, je to vojna med Sirijo in Turčijo ter konec zabave za Turke.

@ xxxul
Američani so obljubljali veliko a Kurdistan lahko nastane samo s privolitvijo ene ali več držav od štirih (Irak, Iran, Sirija, Turčija) kjer živijo Kurdi ali pa tako, da si Kurdi sami izborijo državo z orožjem, za kar nimajo dovolj moči, saj bi se vsaj dve od prej omenjenih združile proti Kurdom.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Zheegec ::

Če bi se Kurdi z Damaskom pogajali na višku moči, bi morda kaj od tega zelo naprednega sistema ostalo, sedaj pa je vprašanje kaj se bo izcimilo iz tega.


Kurdi so se želeli pogajati z Damaskom že leta nazaj, pa so američani rekli, da ne rabijo, ker jih bodo oni zaščitili. So jim tudi rekli, naj umaknejo svojo obrambo iz meje s Turčijo, ker bodo oni poskrbeli, da jih Turčija ne napade.
"božja zapoved pravi; <Spoštuj očeta in mater>,
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014

Mr.B ::

Asad in Turki so se že zmenili z Rusi. Putin je tudi lepo povedal ...."very friendly personal relations" with Saudi Crown Prince... ..... in comments published on Sunday before his first visit to Saudi Arabia in over a decade.
Kar koli se bo zgodilo zaradi napada na Tanker.... se bo zgodilo ko Putin zapusti srečanje v SA.
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xxxul ::

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@ xxxul
Američani so obljubljali veliko a Kurdistan lahko nastane samo s privolitvijo ene ali več držav od štirih (Irak, Iran, Sirija, Turčija) kjer živijo Kurdi ali pa tako, da si Kurdi sami izborijo državo z orožjem, za kar nimajo dovolj moči, saj bi se vsaj dve od prej omenjenih združile proti Kurdom.

Ma me zanima kaj so jim takega obljubl da so jih zdej "izdali" - ker ne verjamem da je kdorkoli iz State Dep al pa WH reku "pomagal vam bomo državo narest, al pa bomo for ever ever pr vas in vas branili".
Ko se je začelo sranje so Kurdi rabl orožje, znanje, pa voj. info da se ubranijo pred ISIS; Ameri so pa rabl živo silo. in iz tega so oboji profitiral. ko je pa cilj dosežen se posel zaključi.
IMO je za Kurde bit pod Assadom 2nd best thing, ker jim države nihče tam ne bo pustil met je pa posledično best thing. Zdej so jim vsi pa po vrsti na malce trši način to pokazal...

Pac-Man ::

Sveže govorice - naj bi bil dil mer Rusijo in Turčijo.

Rusija aka Assad dobi Idlib, kjer imajo baze, Turkmeni in kar je drugih islamistov gredo pa v izpraznjen Kurdistan ustvarjat vojno krajino.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr...

Another factor to consider is that Turkey also received a clearance from Russia before intervention, framed by Russia as part of the agreement between Ankara, Moscow and Tehran about the Syrian conflict. According to a well-placed Syrian source, the intervention in the Kurdish areas was part of a Russian-Turkish understanding about the fate of Idlib in the north-west, the last stronghold of the rebels fighting the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

Idlib is dominated by the group formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra and various stakeholders in the Syrian conflict have struggled to agree on how to deal with the challenge of having jihadists in charge of a significant swath of the country. The source claims that Turkey also reassured the Americans that the intervention would be followed by serious steps to deal with the dilemma in Idlib, by enabling a Russia-led incursion and that any expected mass displacement from Idlib will move to the Turkish zones inside Syria, not to Turkey itself.


Bomo kmalu videli.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mitchoo ::

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@ xxxul
Američani so obljubljali veliko a Kurdistan lahko nastane samo s privolitvijo ene ali več držav od štirih (Irak, Iran, Sirija, Turčija) kjer živijo Kurdi ali pa tako, da si Kurdi sami izborijo državo z orožjem, za kar nimajo dovolj moči, saj bi se vsaj dve od prej omenjenih združile proti Kurdom.

Ma me zanima kaj so jim takega obljubl da so jih zdej "izdali" - ker ne verjamem da je kdorkoli iz State Dep al pa WH reku "pomagal vam bomo državo narest, al pa bomo for ever ever pr vas in vas branili".
Ko se je začelo sranje so Kurdi rabl orožje, znanje, pa voj. info da se ubranijo pred ISIS; Ameri so pa rabl živo silo. in iz tega so oboji profitiral. ko je pa cilj dosežen se posel zaključi.
IMO je za Kurde bit pod Assadom 2nd best thing, ker jim države nihče tam ne bo pustil met je pa posledično best thing. Zdej so jim vsi pa po vrsti na malce trši način to pokazal...


Ma saj ne vem, če hočejo Kurdi v Siriji ravno svojo državo... Oni bi radi imeli Sirijo federalno organizirano, kjer bi Rojava bila ena od delov federacije. Pa tudi sama Rojava ni samo kurdska, je zelo multietična. Res imajo zanimivo ureditev, že nekaj časa spremljam.

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Če še niste dobili svežih navodil iz Moskve, Putin pravi, da je SA pozitiven vpliv na sirsko krizo. Naj se fliping začne ;)

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/n...

In this regard, I would like to emphasise the positive role Saudi Arabia has played in resolving the Syrian crisis. We are working especially closely with Turkey and Iran, as you all know. But I believe that without Saudi Arabia’s contribution towards a Syrian settlement, it would have been impossible to achieve a positive trend. Therefore, I would like to express our gratitude to both the King and the Crown Prince for this constructive approach.
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

#000000 ::

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#000000 je izjavil:

Ali je Greta že na poti da jih skurca kaj se le grejo madona ?

Ah ja. Če okoljska aktivistka ni hkrati tudi glasna proti vsem ostalim neumnostim ki se trenutno dogajajo so njena mnenja glede okoljskega aktivizma nepomembna ali kako?

Anyway, prav smešno je kako Nemčija in Francija sedaj (najbrž začasno) prekinjajo prodajo orožja Turčiji. Turčija ima itak že veliko zalogo in lahko počne praktično kar hoče. Prej so ga podpirali, sedaj pa so nenadoma ugotovili da Erdogan mogoče ni najbolj pošten in human človek! Bravo, Francija in Nemčija. Res ste pametni in sploh ne cinični.

Prvi ISIS zaporniki so že pobegnili iz zaporov, ker so Kurdi evakuirali napadena območja. Še tisoče jih je v zaporih. Turčija je praktično air-force od ISISa.


Alo 16 letni AKTIVISTI ne obstajajo, mislim v pravem pomenu besede.

Smrklja je, to ne moreš oporekati, lepa ni, tudi tefga ne moreš ovreči, dobrih staršev in sorodstva JE, tudi tega ne moreš ovreči, pevka NI, igralka NI, manekenka NI, vsega tega ne moreš zanikati.

Je bogatih staršev in še bogatejših sorodnikov, z najbogatejšimi na tem plenetu je na TI, tudi tega ne moreš ovreči.

Eno stvar ki je bistvena tudi ne moreš ovreči, JE SLAVNA "začasno"

Toej kaj defektna 16 letna smrklja sploh lahko dela da bi postala slavna ?

Premisli in podaj protiargumente, GOVORIM naj to naredi Zheegec ne 500 ostalih z trobesednimi ali kratkimi enostavčnicami da sem pač naci ali fašist :)

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jype ::

Mitchoo je izjavil:

Jure, a veš da v Rojavi drugače dejansko furajo neke vrste anarhijo? Bi bilo škoda, če bi Turki prekinili ta eksperiment.
So ga že, pa ne Turki. Trump, osebno, je odgovoren za ta zajeb.

jype ::

#000000 je izjavil:

Alo 16 letni AKTIVISTI ne obstajajo, mislim v pravem pomenu besede.
Ne sodi drugih po svojem kretenizmu.

#000000 je izjavil:

Toej kaj defektna 16 letna smrklja sploh lahko dela da bi postala slavna ?
Naci in fašist si, pa še kreten in retardirana gnida za po vrhu. No, saj ste vsi neonacisti takšni, toksični mačizem to naredi iz možganov.

#000000 ::

jype je izjavil:

#000000 je izjavil:

Alo 16 letni AKTIVISTI ne obstajajo, mislim v pravem pomenu besede.
Ne sodi drugih po svojem kretenizmu.

#000000 je izjavil:

Toej kaj defektna 16 letna smrklja sploh lahko dela da bi postala slavna ?
Naci in fašist si, pa še kreten in retardirana gnida za po vrhu. No, saj ste vsi neonacisti takšni, toksični mačizem to naredi iz možganov.


Sem rekel brez trobesednic in enostavčnic, brusnica ?

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