Konflikt v Siriji

Pac-Man je 12. apr 2018 ob 12:18 izjavil:

Mr.B je 12. apr 2018 ob 11:05 izjavil:

The political system put in place by Habib Bourguiba and perpetuated by Ben Ali had become an exclusionary machine, working against its citizens.
Verjetno so dovolj demokratiöni za ameriöane. Pass, kot v Egiptu.

Ben Ali je bil tisti, ki ga je revolucija odnesla.

Zine El Abidine Ben Ali @ Wikipedia

Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (Arabic: زين العابدين بن علي‎, Zayn al-‘Ābidīn bin ‘Alī; born 3 September 1936; commonly referred to as Ben Ali) is a Tunisian former politician who served as President of Tunisia from 1987 until his ousting in 2011. Ben Ali was appointed Prime Minister in October 1987, and he assumed the Presidency on 7 November 1987 in a bloodless coup d'état that ousted President Habib Bourguiba, who was declared incompetent.

Samuel je 12. apr 2018 ob 17:52 izjavil:

Invictus je 12. apr 2018 ob 17:30 izjavil:

Seveda je...

S-400 missile system @ Wikipedia
Zakaj bi ga drugače sploh imeli...

Tomahawk je precej simple sestreliti, ko ga zaznaš...
Saj nima nobenih senzorjev, ki bi odkrili, da ga ciljajo, poleg tega pa leti po preprogramirani poti...
Poleg tega imajo Rusi v Siriji 2 AWACSa...
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/...

Lani, ko so ZDA napadli in ko je velika večina raket zadela cilje, so imeli Rusi eno uro časa in vedeli so od kod bodo rakete prišle. S S-400 ni bilo nič. Eno je nekaj kar nekje piše, drugo je pa praksa.

Samuel je 12. apr 2018 ob 17:52 izjavil:

Invictus je 12. apr 2018 ob 17:30 izjavil:

Seveda je...

S-400 missile system @ Wikipedia
Zakaj bi ga drugače sploh imeli...

Tomahawk je precej simple sestreliti, ko ga zaznaš...
Saj nima nobenih senzorjev, ki bi odkrili, da ga ciljajo, poleg tega pa leti po preprogramirani poti...
Poleg tega imajo Rusi v Siriji 2 AWACSa...
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/...

Lani, ko so ZDA napadli in ko je velika večina raket zadela cilje, so imeli Rusi eno uro časa in vedeli so od kod bodo rakete prišle. S S-400 ni bilo nič. Eno je nekaj kar nekje piše, drugo je pa praksa.

gozdar1 je 12. apr 2018 ob 18:14 izjavil:

Tomahawk je enostavno sestreliti, če veš kje je in imaš dovolj sredstev protiletalske obrambe na pravem mestu. Težava je ker stvar leti precej nizko in uporablja teren za maskiranje plus da jih je ponavadi veliko in prihajajo iz različnih smeri kar zna biti tudi za najboljšo protiletalsko obrambo preveč.

gozdar1 je 12. apr 2018 ob 18:33 izjavil:

Ma težava je , da imajo ljudje nerealne predstave o zmogljivostih določenih sistemov, recimo s400 in famozni domet od 400 km, ki je v realnosti uporaben samo proti kakšnemu awacs-u(poleg tega je zemlje zaenkrat še okrogla). Kakšen je sploh odstotek uspešnosti sistemov protiletalske obrambe? Za zgoraj omenjeni tomahawk je to okrog 80% za protiletalsko obrambo je 50% verjetno zelo veliko in ti zna precej hitro zmanjkati raket. Sicer pa sem pred kratkim prebral izjavo nekega izraelskega generala, da je največja težava s400 v siriji to , da je ruski.

gozdar1 je 12. apr 2018 ob 18:58 izjavil:

O številkah lahko špekuliramo npr. podmornica vrste ohio jih lahko nosi 154 , v napadih na srbijo so manevrirane rakete nosili tudi bombniki b52 (agm 86) jih bo pa vedno vsekakor končno mnogo.

Pac-Man je 12. apr 2018 ob 19:36 izjavil:

Fritz je 12. apr 2018 ob 18:45 izjavil:

Če bi manevrirne rakete prihajale iz morja, bi jih najlažje sestrelili. Čeprav S-400 ali Patriot zmoreta tudi to, je to precej neekonomično početje. Vsekakor pa drži, da je doseg zaznavanja ciljev in zmožnosti zajemanja le teh odvisen od višine leta cilja in površine odseva. Nizkoleteči manevrirni izstrelki se ne zaznajo na večjih razdaljah.

Rakete se vedno pošilja preko kopnega, vsaj zadnji del pred ciljem. Irak 2003 se je bombardiralo preko Irana ;)

Ena od alternativ GPS-u je namreč terrain tracking.

TERCOM @ Wikipedia

Šimpanz je 12. apr 2018 ob 22:46 izjavil:

Američani so prepozni, sirijci so vmes vso vojaško tehniko spravili na varno.
Itak pa je vsakemu jasno da napada s plinom sploh ni bilo.

DarkSite je 12. apr 2018 ob 23:01 izjavil:

Šimpanz je 12. apr 2018 ob 22:46 izjavil:

Američani so prepozni, sirijci so vmes vso vojaško tehniko spravili na varno.
Itak pa je vsakemu jasno da napada s plinom sploh ni bilo.

To je jasno samo tebi in še parim tle gor.

Večini pa je jasno, da so za tem asadovci ob podpori rusov.

leiito je 13. apr 2018 ob 01:37 izjavil:

Mattis je danes javno povedal, da verjame, da je napad bil, nimajo pa ZDA dokazov, ki bi bremenili Assada. Baje jih ima Macron, ampak jih ne ne sme nikomur pokazat.

Pac-Man je 13. apr 2018 ob 10:07 izjavil:

Celega mehanizma kdo je trdil, da je kdo ugrabljen ne poznam, ne bi bilo pa nič presenetljivo, če je režim mrtve/pogrešane razglasil za ugrabljene. Tako je bil mir v hiši, ostalo bomo rešili po konfliktu.

Pa lep primer, kako fino je biti pameten & kontrirati, ko ne poznaš cele zgodbe.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation...

Given the potentially greater consequences Assad and his allies could face, it’s unclear why he would risk using chemical weapons, especially when his regime had already declared victory in its Russia-backed assault on Eastern Ghouta, the last major rebel-held area near Damascus, which also encompasses Douma.

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One crucial and largely overlooked explanation is the pressure he has faced from the Alawites, members of the minority Shiite-linked sect to which the Assads belong. Many Alawites believe Douma’s main insurgent group Jaysh al-Islam, or the Army of Islam, has been holding up to 7,500 Alawite prisoners in and around the city—including army generals, soldiers, and civilians—kidnapped or taken captive by rebels over the years to try to extract concessions from the regime. Though the Alawites represent a small proportion of the country overall, they hold key regime positions, dominate the police, and supply the main fighting forces who have been defending the regime since 2011. Many of their families are missing loved ones whom Assad can’t seem to get free, even as he tells them he wants still more of their sons to fight.

Assad’s ability to get them back is vital to preserving his legitimacy in the eyes of this important constituency, a fact that Iran and Russia, his patrons, also recognize. “We won’t give up on any missing or kidnapped person and we are going to do whatever it takes to free him if he’s still alive,” Assad said during a meeting with Alawite families on Tuesday.

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Over the course of Syria’s seven-year war, I’ve spoken with many Alawites who feel they have sacrificed everything to preserve nearly five decades of Assad family rule. Virtually every house in Alawite strongholds in western Syria has been affected by the war, which many members of the community believe is as much about saving Assad as it is about preserving their very existence. The regime’s narrative claims that the Sunni Muslim majority, from which the rebellion draws, wants to eradicate their community.

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Throughout March, tens of thousands of rebel fighters and civilians emerged from Eastern Ghouta and received safe passage to Idlib, an opposition-dominated province in the north. Their release had been arranged in negotiations between the Russians and armed groups. As the Alawites watched them leave, they grew anxious and angry: They had yet to receive much information on their brethren still held by the Army of Islam.

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On Friday, the Syrian regime resumed its massive bombardment of Douma, and issued an ultimatum to the rebels: Death and mayhem on an unprecedented scale unless all Alawite prisoners were accounted for or released. Then came Saturday’s suspected chemical weapons attack on Douma, involving a possible mix of nerve agents and chlorine. The Army of Islam soon returned to the negotiating table to discuss Douma’s surrender, with the fate of the Alawite prisoners and missing persons the first item on the agenda—a development that provided momentary satisfaction to the families.

Soon after, anguished Alawite mothers, wives, and parents rushed to Damascus from their towns and villages in western Syria expecting to be reunited with their loved ones. But hope quickly gave way to anger and frustration when, by Monday evening, only about 200 Alawite prisoners emerged from Douma. Emotions boiled over when the regime’s official media announced that 200 was the final number of prisoners coming out alive from Douma. That 7,500 figure was “fake news,” they said, disseminated in an attempt to extort money from the despairing families.

In a rare and incredible scene, hundreds of furious Alawites staged an impromptu protest in central Damascus on Monday, marching from an auditorium next to the Russian Embassy that had been turned into a waiting area for the families to one of the capital’s busiest traffic intersections. Nervous regime security forces immediately cordoned off the entire area and sent in state media representatives to console people and allow them to vent. All other media was kept out, one independent Damascus-based reporter who witnessed the scene told me.

“I brought my son these pants so he could wear them when he was freed,” a bespectacled woman in black shouted as she waved a pair of jeans before the cameras.

Her son, a soldier who had been missing for six years, had not showed up. “I used to trust you [state media] but no more!” Jaafar Younis, a state television correspondent and a fellow Alawite, tried to comfort her. “Please calm down auntie, we are dealing with a terrorist armed group”—a reference to the Army of Islam— “that cannot be trusted to keep its word. And all of you saw the pressure the Syrian army put on them when they tried to renege on the deal,” he said. Another correspondent, also an Alawite, conceded there were still possibly thousands of kidnapped and missing Alawites all over Syria but said they were no longer in Ghouta. “We want lists with the names of the kidnapped, dead or alive. … We want our voice to reach his excellency President Bashar al-Assad, only him,” one man insisted.

By nightfall on Monday, the Alawite families were persuaded to leave the streets after bringing traffic to a standstill. They returned to the auditorium, but their rage did not subside. “The [regime] officers are bastards. The media are bastards too and they never tell the truth. We want to know the fate of our children! How much did you sell them for? How much did you get for the martyrs’ blood? How much?” one tearful mother screamed.

Mr.B je 13. apr 2018 ob 10:23 izjavil:

Kok se jaz spomnim, te neoznačena letala, neznane lokacije mučenj, itd... Pa ni nihče odgovarjal, nekateri bodo celo šefi CIE postali.... Hm, o čem ti sedaj to pišeš. Da si se posipal s pepelom, ker drugi bolj direkt to delajo...