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Konflikt v Siriji
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Smrekar1 ::
Že, ampak Japonska in Nemčija sta imeli solidno predvojno industrijsko osnovo, imeli sta infrastrukturo, izobražene ljudi in že doseženo blaginjo prebivalstva, sploh Nemčija pod Hitlerjem je bila gospodarski čudež, na pol že socializem, kar se delavskih pravic in ugodnosti tiče.
Tiste dele o zapiranju poveljnikov sindikatov si verjetno pozabil.
Sing in Koreja sta bili pa vukojebini, polpismeno lokalno prebivalstvo, Sing še problem mešane etnične sestave. Sej ne rečem, da je trda roka garant za blaginjo, Idi Amin, Bokassa, Obiang in drugi dokazujejo, da ne, ampak v določenih razmerah, morda tudi s specifično, avtoriteti podrejeno azijsko kulturo, njim je res ratal čudež, J Koreja še bolj, Sing je imel vsaj strateško lego in kolonialno tradicijo, Korejci so bli pa še do 80-ih lačni.
Morda. Tudi ZDA in Kanada sta še vedno povsem kmetijski državi, kajne?
leiito ::
??? govorim o eksponentnem preskoku blaginje prebivalstva, J Koreja zraste s 5k GDP leta 1980 na 25k 2010, Sing z 10 na 50.
Smrekar1 ::
??? govorim o eksponentnem preskoku blaginje prebivalstva, J Koreja zraste s 5k GDP leta 1980 na 25k 2010, Sing z 10 na 50.
Ti govoriš o ekonomskih čudežih, ki temeljijo na tujem znanju in hitrem razvoju baziranem na dvigu kmetijske države v industrijsko globoko v industrijski dobi, na robu post-industrijske dobe. Jaz govorim o dvigu redko poseljene divjine na nivo največje gospodarske sile svoje ere, ki je temeljil predvsem na inovacijah.
Razumeš razliko?
Diktatura ti omogoči hiter dvig zaostale države na nek spodoben nivo, to je to. V tem je morda malo boljša od demokracije, ne veliko, malo. Po tem začnejo stvari škripati.
7tom1ja ::
Sophisticated U.S. weapons secretly provided to Syrian rebels quickly fell into the hands of ISIS terrorists, according to a study released today.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/941...
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/941...
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Samuel ::
Sophisticated U.S. weapons secretly provided to Syrian rebels quickly fell into the hands of ISIS terrorists, according to a study released today.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/941...
ISIS se je vozil naokoli z T-90. Pa?
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.
noticably not worth noticing.
7tom1ja ::
Sophisticated U.S. weapons secretly provided to Syrian rebels quickly fell into the hands of ISIS terrorists, according to a study released today.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/941...
ISIS se je vozil naokoli z T-90. Pa?
zmeni se z USA today
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
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Mr.B ::
A ni bila neka zgodba, da so zajeli enega potem so se okoli vozili, na koncu pa kazali kako so ga zadeli...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
7tom1ja ::
Sophisticated U.S. weapons secretly provided to Syrian rebels quickly fell into the hands of ISIS terrorists, according to a study released today.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/941...
ISIS se je vozil naokoli z T-90. Pa?
The report stated:
“The United States and Saudi Arabia supplied most of this materiel [sic] without authorization, apparently to Syrian opposition forces. This diverted materiel, recovered from IS forces, comprises exclusively Warsaw Pact–caliber weapons and ammunition, purchased by the United States and Saudi Arabia from European Union (EU) member states in Eastern Europe.”
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
7982884e ::
izrael je nekako se vedno na bistveno visji stopnji osebne svobode in demokraticnosti kot sirsa regija.
Vidim zadnje dni polno posnetkov ki dokazujejo da ta tvoja trditev ne drži.
kaksnih posnetkov? takih, kjer streljajo z nozem mahajoce samomorilske napadalce?
https://twitter.com/sstern66/status/942...
grem stavit, da ce bi za vsakega izmed teh posnetkov pisalo, da je v rusiji, bi dezurni humanitarci-izrael-kritiki hitro nasli opravicilo in izgovore
Samuel ::
zmeni se z USA today
Zmenim naj se kaj? So ga oni kupili od Rusov in ga dali ISISu al kaj??
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noticably not worth noticing.
Mr.B ::
Zagotovo so bili Iranci vpleten. Kupili so tanke && ATM-je in jih poslali v Irak, ker so skupaj z Asadom hoteli mešati štrene Američanom v Iraku. Kot kaže je povratno usekalo Asadu.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/...
How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine
...
The Guardian has uncovered how this counter-narrative is propagated online by a network of anti-imperialist activists, conspiracy theorists and trolls with the support of the Russian government (which provides military support to the Syrian regime).
...
The White Helmets play two roles within Syria. The first is their rescue work: providing an ambulance service, fire service and search and rescue in conflict areas where infrastructure has been decimated.
The second role is the documentation of what is taking place within the country via handheld and helmet cameras.
“This is the thing that has annoyed not just the Assad regime and Russian authorities but a lot of the propagandists who work in their orbit,” said Amnesty International’s Kristyan Benedict, a crisis response manager who specialises in Syria.
Their footage has helped organisations like Amnesty and the Syria Justice and Accountability Center corroborate testimony they receive from people in Syria via phone, Skype and WhatsApp. It allows them to check the aftermath of airstrikes to see whether civilians were targeted and whether there was any military presence or checkpoints.
“That’s really been damaging to the war narrative of Syria and Russia,” said Benedict.
It was the White Helmets’ footage that documented the chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun in April, which killed at least 83 people, a third of them children. UN war crimes investigators later concluded the attack was carried out by the Syrian regime against its own people.
...
The Russian strategy has been very successful at shaping the online conversation about the White Helmets. By gaming the social media algorithms with a flood of content, boosted by bots, sock puppet accounts and a network of agitators, propagandists are able to create a “manufactured consensus” that gives legitimacy to fringe views. Even Russia’s official channels, such as its UK embassy Twitter accounts, post memes discrediting the organisation.
“If you scroll through tweets about the White Helmets, pretty much every other conversation is equating them with Isis, calling them terrorists. It looks like they are the bad guys,” said Sam Woolley, who studies computational propaganda at the University of Oxford.
...
Fil Menczer, a computer science professor at Indiana University, has developed a tool called Hoaxy to chart the spread of misinformation online. Searching for the “White Helmets” reveals a handful of sources generated hundreds of stories about the organisation. “It’s like a factory,” he said.
The same handful of people are quoted as “experts” in articles that are repackaged and interlinked to create a body of content whose conspiracy claims gain a semblance of legitimacy.
...
Their findings also correlate with work done by Kate Starbird from the University of Washington in Seattle, who asserts that Beeley and the alternative news site 21st Century Wire have dominated the Twitter conversation about White Helmets over the last few months, along with Sputnik and RT.com.
Beeley frequently criticises the White Helmets in her role as editor of the website 21st Century Wire, set up by Patrick Henningsen, who is also an editor at Infowars.com.
...
In 2016, Beeley had a two-hour meeting with Assad in Damascus as part of a US Peace Council delegation, which she described on Facebook as her “proudest moment”. She also was invited to Moscow to report on the “dirty war in Syria”; there, she met with senior Russian officials including the deputy foreign minister Mikhail Bogdanov and Maria Zakharova, director of information and press at Russia’s foreign affairs ministry.
...
Meanwhile, Beeley’s influence continues. In April 2017, she gave a talk at a conference alongside ministers in Assad’s cabinet (who spoke via video conference) titled “White Helmets: Fact or Fantasy?” Her briefing paper and slides on the topic were then submitted to the UN Security Council and UN General Assembly by the Russian government as “evidence” against the White Helmets.
...
The Guardian contacted Beeley several times asking for comment and she declined to respond to specific queries, saying that the questions put to her were “a disgrace” containing “no relevant facts and are reminiscent of a McCarthyite interrogation”.
The Guardian also contacted Eva Bartlett, who said she had “no interest in participating in your quite evidently already-decided ‘story’ (an odd term for a journalist to use for an article)”.
How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine
...
The Guardian has uncovered how this counter-narrative is propagated online by a network of anti-imperialist activists, conspiracy theorists and trolls with the support of the Russian government (which provides military support to the Syrian regime).
...
The White Helmets play two roles within Syria. The first is their rescue work: providing an ambulance service, fire service and search and rescue in conflict areas where infrastructure has been decimated.
The second role is the documentation of what is taking place within the country via handheld and helmet cameras.
“This is the thing that has annoyed not just the Assad regime and Russian authorities but a lot of the propagandists who work in their orbit,” said Amnesty International’s Kristyan Benedict, a crisis response manager who specialises in Syria.
Their footage has helped organisations like Amnesty and the Syria Justice and Accountability Center corroborate testimony they receive from people in Syria via phone, Skype and WhatsApp. It allows them to check the aftermath of airstrikes to see whether civilians were targeted and whether there was any military presence or checkpoints.
“That’s really been damaging to the war narrative of Syria and Russia,” said Benedict.
It was the White Helmets’ footage that documented the chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun in April, which killed at least 83 people, a third of them children. UN war crimes investigators later concluded the attack was carried out by the Syrian regime against its own people.
...
The Russian strategy has been very successful at shaping the online conversation about the White Helmets. By gaming the social media algorithms with a flood of content, boosted by bots, sock puppet accounts and a network of agitators, propagandists are able to create a “manufactured consensus” that gives legitimacy to fringe views. Even Russia’s official channels, such as its UK embassy Twitter accounts, post memes discrediting the organisation.
“If you scroll through tweets about the White Helmets, pretty much every other conversation is equating them with Isis, calling them terrorists. It looks like they are the bad guys,” said Sam Woolley, who studies computational propaganda at the University of Oxford.
...
Fil Menczer, a computer science professor at Indiana University, has developed a tool called Hoaxy to chart the spread of misinformation online. Searching for the “White Helmets” reveals a handful of sources generated hundreds of stories about the organisation. “It’s like a factory,” he said.
The same handful of people are quoted as “experts” in articles that are repackaged and interlinked to create a body of content whose conspiracy claims gain a semblance of legitimacy.
...
Their findings also correlate with work done by Kate Starbird from the University of Washington in Seattle, who asserts that Beeley and the alternative news site 21st Century Wire have dominated the Twitter conversation about White Helmets over the last few months, along with Sputnik and RT.com.
Beeley frequently criticises the White Helmets in her role as editor of the website 21st Century Wire, set up by Patrick Henningsen, who is also an editor at Infowars.com.
...
In 2016, Beeley had a two-hour meeting with Assad in Damascus as part of a US Peace Council delegation, which she described on Facebook as her “proudest moment”. She also was invited to Moscow to report on the “dirty war in Syria”; there, she met with senior Russian officials including the deputy foreign minister Mikhail Bogdanov and Maria Zakharova, director of information and press at Russia’s foreign affairs ministry.
...
Meanwhile, Beeley’s influence continues. In April 2017, she gave a talk at a conference alongside ministers in Assad’s cabinet (who spoke via video conference) titled “White Helmets: Fact or Fantasy?” Her briefing paper and slides on the topic were then submitted to the UN Security Council and UN General Assembly by the Russian government as “evidence” against the White Helmets.
...
The Guardian contacted Beeley several times asking for comment and she declined to respond to specific queries, saying that the questions put to her were “a disgrace” containing “no relevant facts and are reminiscent of a McCarthyite interrogation”.
The Guardian also contacted Eva Bartlett, who said she had “no interest in participating in your quite evidently already-decided ‘story’ (an odd term for a journalist to use for an article)”.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Pac-Man,
Ne razumem, lahko napiüeü smiselni povzetek. Kako je to uspeh Ruske propagande.
Ne razumem, lahko napiüeü smiselni povzetek. Kako je to uspeh Ruske propagande.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Tarzan ::
Dodatna propaganda belih čeladarjev. Kaj vse si bodo še zmislili? Praktično noben posnetek ni bil narejen s kamero na čeladi, praktično vsi so bili narejeni s telefonom ali pa handycam kamero. Pa lepo so si postavili še kulise, nabrali statiste, naredili par generalk in snemali. Glede na vse posnetke, ki so prišli ven, jim lahko verjamejo samo še najbolj naivni. Bolj ko bodo mešali, bolj bo smrdelo. Čas bi že bil, da jih pozabijo in si izmislijo nekaj novega, predlagam roza čelade.
Pac-Man ::
http://www.newsweek.com/boston-jihadi-p...
Boston Jihadi Plot Gets Top ISIS Leader in Syria Killed
...
Wright and his cell of bumbling attackers had been recruited by Junaid Hussain, the notorious propagandist for the Islamic State militant group (ISIS), who urged them and other young Americans to get off their mom’s couch and join the jihad by launching attacks in the U.S. He was so good at seducing losers like Wright that he climbed to No. 3 on the Pentagon’s secret ISIS kill list, but for all the computer savvy Hussain exhibited, his sloppy communications with Rahim did him in. A little more than two months after Rahim got out of bed that wet morning determined to slaughter infidels, Hussain got a bomb dropped on his head by a drone steered from Nevada.
Hussain’s correspondence with Rahim offers a rare insight into how ISIS is trying to bolster its dwindling ranks with the unemployed and disillusioned in the West, using the internet and encrypted apps in a macabre version of online dating—ISIS recruiters stroke the would-be egos of wannabe jihadis and convince them that a martyr’s death is far better than spending yet another night in their parents’ basement.
Boston Jihadi Plot Gets Top ISIS Leader in Syria Killed
...
Wright and his cell of bumbling attackers had been recruited by Junaid Hussain, the notorious propagandist for the Islamic State militant group (ISIS), who urged them and other young Americans to get off their mom’s couch and join the jihad by launching attacks in the U.S. He was so good at seducing losers like Wright that he climbed to No. 3 on the Pentagon’s secret ISIS kill list, but for all the computer savvy Hussain exhibited, his sloppy communications with Rahim did him in. A little more than two months after Rahim got out of bed that wet morning determined to slaughter infidels, Hussain got a bomb dropped on his head by a drone steered from Nevada.
Hussain’s correspondence with Rahim offers a rare insight into how ISIS is trying to bolster its dwindling ranks with the unemployed and disillusioned in the West, using the internet and encrypted apps in a macabre version of online dating—ISIS recruiters stroke the would-be egos of wannabe jihadis and convince them that a martyr’s death is far better than spending yet another night in their parents’ basement.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Video na povezavi.
https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/943...
Police graduates at an Assad regime training academy bite the heads of live snakes, rabbits and chickens to impress their barbaric dictator.
Saddamist and Assadist Baathisms are an essential ideology to understand ISIS. I always highlight Islamic roots but the various contributions from Baathism are immense (prisons, Intel, brutality, uncompromising, populism, nationalism, networks, collusion, mindset, and more.)
https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/943...
Police graduates at an Assad regime training academy bite the heads of live snakes, rabbits and chickens to impress their barbaric dictator.
Saddamist and Assadist Baathisms are an essential ideology to understand ISIS. I always highlight Islamic roots but the various contributions from Baathism are immense (prisons, Intel, brutality, uncompromising, populism, nationalism, networks, collusion, mindset, and more.)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Jaz imam video.
Ti nakladaš.
https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/943...
Houthis missile loaded and elevated on latest satellite imagery from December 1st. #Yemen #SaudiArabia
The site is located (16.646332,43.889181) about 2 minute drive from latest launch site of a missile that targeted Riyadh. On December 1st imager right next to the launcher there is a some sort of communication cable and what seems to be satellite dish on the building next to the launcher.
Ti nakladaš.
https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/943...
Houthis missile loaded and elevated on latest satellite imagery from December 1st. #Yemen #SaudiArabia
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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Pac-Man ::
Tvoje mokre sanje, ne moj video.
Spet projekcija.
Spet projekcija.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Tvoje mokre sanje, ne moj video.
Spet projekcija.
Zagotovo ce bos kaj zanimivega vpisal v google o ameriskih vojakih, da bo tudi kak sadomazo ven skocil. Ampak verjjetno gre asadu tako slabo ker se bojuje v jemnu. Pustimo da imajo vse slike, pa ne znajo amerikanci, ki so tam dol aktivni zadeti teh izstrelisc. Verjetno od kar jim predatorje klatijo, se bojijo da bi kaj prislo v kitajsko..
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
kunigunda ::
7tom1ja ::
and the oscar goes to....
mimogrede PR skupina the syrian campaign ni zadovoljna kam gre javno mnenje zadnje čase, krivi so jasno Rusi, kot vedno seveda ne manjka jihadi elliot na njihovi strani
https://twitter.com/TheSyriaCmpgn/statu...
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
7tom1ja ::
Video na povezavi.
https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/943...
Police graduates at an Assad regime training academy bite the heads of live snakes, rabbits and chickens to impress their barbaric dictator.
Saddamist and Assadist Baathisms are an essential ideology to understand ISIS. I always highlight Islamic roots but the various contributions from Baathism are immense (prisons, Intel, brutality, uncompromising, populism, nationalism, networks, collusion, mindset, and more.)
he he, še posebej mi je všeč "impress barbaric dictator"
Ruski cilj je enotna in karseda stabilna Sirija, z Asadom ali pa tudi ne, ne zato, ker bi imeli neko hudo afiniteto do Sircev, ampak zaradi svojih interesov.Odlično si opisal sodobnega diktatorja, ki si lahko privošči zapreti kandidate opozicije, moriti raziskovalne novinarje in vprašanja, ki mu jih bodo zastavili v intervjujih, vnaprej poslati tistim, ki se bodo z njim pogovarjali.
Saj je tudi Putin z vsemi žavbami namazan, ampak ko ga nekaj časa poslušaš, ko razlaga stvari skozi rusko optiko, deluje še najbolj odkrito, jasno, dosledno in racionalno od vseh .
ni ga voditelja na svetu, ki bi imel daljše tiskovne konference in dobival več neprijetnih vprašanj,kot da bi nekateri živeli na Marsu,.. prosim nadaljuj,....
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: 7tom1ja ()
7tom1ja ::
In ne samo to, vsako leto na gospodarskem forumu celo plačajo amero propagandiste za moderatorje debate
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
7tom1ja ::
People of Aleppo celebrating the one year anniversary
https://twitter.com/JaniceKortkamp/stat...
Damask, božična zabava; me zanima, če je podobno v Idlibu ali kakšnem drugem mestu pod nadzorom US teroristov
https://twitter.com/Jasminchamis/status...
https://twitter.com/JaniceKortkamp/stat...
Damask, božična zabava; me zanima, če je podobno v Idlibu ali kakšnem drugem mestu pod nadzorom US teroristov
https://twitter.com/Jasminchamis/status...
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: 7tom1ja ()
konspirator ::
Breaking: Kurdish offensive against Syrian Army produces embarrassing results
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/br...
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/br...
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leiito ::
Zanimiv prispevek na Columnu o mehaniki ustvarjanja javnega mnenja prek novic v nedavnem Guardianovem članku o internetni zaroti proti Belim čeladam:
7tom1ja ::
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/9...
današnje glasovanje glede Jeruzalema po državah; očitno se je "coup" v Hondurasu le splačal amerjem; SLO je končno enkrat na pravi strani
Na žalost je jihadi olivia hitro dala twiter na zasebno
današnje glasovanje glede Jeruzalema po državah; očitno se je "coup" v Hondurasu le splačal amerjem; SLO je končno enkrat na pravi strani
Zanimiv prispevek na Columnu o mehaniki ustvarjanja javnega mnenja prek novic v nedavnem Guardianovem članku o internetni zaroti proti Belim čeladam:
Na žalost je jihadi olivia hitro dala twiter na zasebno
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: 7tom1ja ()
Pac-Man ::
današnje glasovanje glede Jeruzalema po državah; očitno se je "coup" v Hondurasu le splačal amerjem; SLO je končno enkrat na pravi strani
Ne spremljaš dobro, Slovenija in večina EU je v primeru Palestine pogosto na tej strani.
Še najbolj zanimive so vzdržane države.
Argentina, Avstralija, Bosna (WTF Bosna?), Kanada, Hrvaška, Češka (Spet WTF, niste v ruskem žepu?), Madžarska (še eni raša loverji), Latvija, Mehika, Poljska, Romunija.
Presenetljivi ZA-ji so od Estonije, Litve (zaščita) in Združenega kraljestva (five eyes, EU sucks pa to).
Morda, sama morda imajo države neodvisno zunanjo politiko in ne glasujejo po polih?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Tarzan ::
Glede Hrvaške nisem nič presenečen. Fora je, kako si lahko ZDA privoščijo z izsiljevanjem in pogojevanjem posameznim državam, in od njih zahtevati, da ne glasujejo v nasprotju z njihovo politiko. Toliko o tem, kako razmišljajo z lastno glavo. Hrvatje so do vratu v kloaki združenih držav amerike.
When money talks, bullshit walks.
Vse države, ki si jih naštel, da so bile vzdržane, so bile vzdržane zaradi pogojev, khm, sankcij, ki so jim jih napovedale ZDA, če bodo za. Združeno kraljestvo pa me dejansko preseneča. Tam se dogaja nekaj, kar se zna manifestirati čez par let v ponovni konvergenci proti EU. Mogoče prihajamo do obdobja, ko se začenjajo deliti karte na novo in nekateri več niso prepričani, na kateri strani iskati zaveznike in še posebej - kateri strani popolno in brezpogojno zaupati. To jih je teplo že zadnjih nekaj desetletij, bili so bolj proameriški od američanov (pa s tem ne mislim prebivalstva, le politiko).
When money talks, bullshit walks.
Vse države, ki si jih naštel, da so bile vzdržane, so bile vzdržane zaradi pogojev, khm, sankcij, ki so jim jih napovedale ZDA, če bodo za. Združeno kraljestvo pa me dejansko preseneča. Tam se dogaja nekaj, kar se zna manifestirati čez par let v ponovni konvergenci proti EU. Mogoče prihajamo do obdobja, ko se začenjajo deliti karte na novo in nekateri več niso prepričani, na kateri strani iskati zaveznike in še posebej - kateri strani popolno in brezpogojno zaupati. To jih je teplo že zadnjih nekaj desetletij, bili so bolj proameriški od američanov (pa s tem ne mislim prebivalstva, le politiko).
Pac-Man ::
Tole je glasovanje o podelitvi statusa države opazovalke v ZN Palestini iz l. 2012
United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19 @ Wikipedia
Precej podobno. Par jih je skočilo od vzdržanih k proti, Kanada od proti med vzdržane.
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/9...
BREAKING: Canada considered voting against the UNGA resolution on Trump's Jerusalem announcement but changed vote to abstention after hearing Trump's threats in order not to be perceived as US puppet, Western diplomats tell me
United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19 @ Wikipedia
Precej podobno. Par jih je skočilo od vzdržanih k proti, Kanada od proti med vzdržane.
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/9...
BREAKING: Canada considered voting against the UNGA resolution on Trump's Jerusalem announcement but changed vote to abstention after hearing Trump's threats in order not to be perceived as US puppet, Western diplomats tell me
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
7tom1ja ::
današnje glasovanje glede Jeruzalema po državah; očitno se je "coup" v Hondurasu le splačal amerjem; SLO je končno enkrat na pravi strani
Ne spremljaš dobro, Slovenija in večina EU je v primeru Palestine pogosto na tej strani.
Še najbolj zanimive so vzdržane države.
Argentina, Avstralija, Bosna (WTF Bosna?), Kanada, Hrvaška, Češka (Spet WTF, niste v ruskem žepu?), Madžarska (še eni raša loverji), Latvija, Mehika, Poljska, Romunija.
Presenetljivi ZA-ji so od Estonije, Litve (zaščita) in Združenega kraljestva (five eyes, EU sucks pa to).
Morda, sama morda imajo države neodvisno zunanjo politiko in ne glasujejo po polih?
no, če ti veleposlanik ZDA grozi z "we will be taking names" me ne bi presenetilo, če bi SLO glasovala proti; konec koncev ne pozabimo, kako je Hillary grozila Pahorju zaradi Hrvaške
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
fikus_ ::
Sedaj se je pokazala prava demokracija v USA proti ostalemu svetu!
Sicer je pa na kontra strani podobno.
Sicer je pa na kontra strani podobno.
Smrekar1 ::
Mr.B ::
Sedaj se je pokazala prava demokracija v USA proti ostalemu svetu!
V bistvu se je pokazalo kako je amerofobna propaganda pravzaprav zlagana in kako debilen moraš biti, da ji verjameš.
Glede na to da je donald, dobil v zdruzenih narodih po domace po pički. Zgleda le ta amerofobija rusije, iraka, kitajske in se ostalih osi zla demokracije deluje prfektno. Po moje je problem v tem, da imajo nekateri z osnovnosolsko izobrazbo in malo srece, pac tezavo splosnega razumevanja kako to politika in njena kuhnja deluje...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Smrekar1 ::
Glede na to da je donald, dobil v zdruzenih narodih po domace po pički. Zgleda le ta amerofobija rusije, iraka, kitajske in se ostalih osi zla demokracije deluje prfektno.
Kot sem rekel, biti moraš poseben nivo debila, da po vsem videnem še vedno verjameš v basen, kjer ZDA zaveznicam diktirajo zunanjo politiko.
Rusija to pogosto odkrito poskuša, uspehi so mešani.
7tom1ja ::
Glede na to da je donald, dobil v zdruzenih narodih po domace po pički. Zgleda le ta amerofobija rusije, iraka, kitajske in se ostalih osi zla demokracije deluje prfektno.
Kot sem rekel, biti moraš poseben nivo debila, da po vsem videnem še vedno verjameš v basen, kjer ZDA zaveznicam diktirajo zunanjo politiko.
Rusija to pogosto odkrito poskuša, uspehi so mešani.
Neverjetno je kako tebi uspe tudi ob največjih porazih US&A to obrniti njim v prid
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Smrekar1 ::
7tom1ja ::
Neverjetno je kako tebi uspe tudi ob največjih porazih US&A to obrniti njim v prid
Realnost je pač obrnjena v prid ZDA. Nisem jaz kriv.
Krivi raje ustanovno listino OZN, 1. in 7. odstavek 2. člena.
Poglej kako tvoji "demokrati" nadaljujejo z grožnjami
https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/...
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Smrekar1 ::
Poglej kako tvoji "demokrati" nadaljujejo z grožnjami
https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/...
Trump je debil, vem.
Mr.B ::
Glede na to da je donald, dobil v zdruzenih narodih po domace po pički. Zgleda le ta amerofobija rusije, iraka, kitajske in se ostalih osi zla demokracije deluje prfektno.
Kot sem rekel, biti moraš poseben nivo debila, da po vsem videnem še vedno verjameš v basen, kjer ZDA zaveznicam diktirajo zunanjo politiko.
Rusija to pogosto odkrito poskuša, uspehi so mešani.
Tvoj odgovor je izven konteksta. Dejstvo je da je demokratični proces pri odločanju odločil, da je politika oziroma odločitev politike ZDA napačna.
Dajanje ne relevantnih linkov kot odgovor za meglo, je pač nivo kako ti to delovanje demokracije razumeš. Sicer pa se je sedaj združil še en žid demokratičnih medijev. Ergo boš imel še bolj realno sliko dogajanja na terenu. No tudi china news izdaja v angleškem jeziku, če bi si rad razširil obzorje, pa Aljazeera tudi. Samo no so amerikanci bombardirali, ker niso uspeli po demokratični poti.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
windigo ::
Še dobro, da je bila včasih ameriška zunanja politika vodena pametno. Naprimer:
Jelcinova leta pod patronatom Clintonov: menda od 3-6 miljonov smrti zaradi revščine, nedostopnosti zdravstva, porasta alkoholizma in podobnih vzrokov. Če se kdo slučajno čudi, zakaj je monstrum Putin še vedno na oblasti, Rusi teh časov zgleda še niso čisto pozabili.
Iraška leta pod Clintonom in Albrightovo: razvpitih pol miljona vrednih smrti samo otrok (pazi ta mindset, pa če jih je bilo v resnici tudi samo pol toliko, je to še vedno grozovito veliko), ocene so se v začetku 2000 gibale okrog miljon vseh "dodatnih" smrti.
To so že skoraj primerljive cifre z ocenami smrti zaradi grozot Stalinovega holodomora, ki ga imajo sicer vsi polna usta.
P.S. Da trenutno 12 miljonov ogroženih v Jemnu s tihim pristankom zahoda raje ne omenjam.
Jelcinova leta pod patronatom Clintonov: menda od 3-6 miljonov smrti zaradi revščine, nedostopnosti zdravstva, porasta alkoholizma in podobnih vzrokov. Če se kdo slučajno čudi, zakaj je monstrum Putin še vedno na oblasti, Rusi teh časov zgleda še niso čisto pozabili.
Iraška leta pod Clintonom in Albrightovo: razvpitih pol miljona vrednih smrti samo otrok (pazi ta mindset, pa če jih je bilo v resnici tudi samo pol toliko, je to še vedno grozovito veliko), ocene so se v začetku 2000 gibale okrog miljon vseh "dodatnih" smrti.
To so že skoraj primerljive cifre z ocenami smrti zaradi grozot Stalinovega holodomora, ki ga imajo sicer vsi polna usta.
P.S. Da trenutno 12 miljonov ogroženih v Jemnu s tihim pristankom zahoda raje ne omenjam.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: windigo ()
Smrekar1 ::
Končno, da si priznal, na nekaj "Made in USA" ni najboljše!
Končno si našel prvo zunanjepolitično vprašanje, kjer so ZDA naredile napako. Takole obnašanje v OZN je zgodovinsko bolj domena Rusov.
Hruščev v OZN obljublja skorajšnje uničenje ZDA, New York, 1956.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Smrekar1 ()
Smrekar1 ::
Tvoj odgovor je izven konteksta. Dejstvo je da je demokratični proces pri odločanju odločil, da je politika oziroma odločitev politike ZDA napačna.
Čakaj, ne razumeva se.
Napačna je bila komunikacija zunanjega ministrstva ZDA z OZN. Tudi pri takih ogabnih potezah kot je tale, ko OZN jasno in javno kršijo lastne ustanovne principe (1. in 7. odstavek 2. člena Ustanovne listine), se od države kot je ZDA pričakuje, da to sprejme dostojno in brez groženj. Jasno je, da se je OZN osramotil s tem, da diktira eni državi kje sme imeti prestolnico in drugi kje sme imeti veleposlaništvo, to je groba kršitev idej in načel OZN. Ampak kljub temu je bil ameriški odziv z grožnjami neprimeren.
Zadeva je še posebej smešna, glede na to, da je bilo Rusiji dovoljeno prestaviti veleposlaništvo v Jeruzalem brez oporekanja (1. odstavek 2. člena pravi, da so države enakopravne, očitno so nekatere enakopravnejše od drugih) in glede na to, da je odločitev glede tega vprašanja v ZDA padla leta 1995, ne 2017. Trump je res slab komunikator, to je problem, ne politika ZDA, ki je glede teh vprašanj dokaj zgledna.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-histor...
Jerusalem Embassy Act @ Wikipedia
Me prav zanima ali sta al-Jazzera in China Today to omenjali, ko so polemizirali o tem vprašanju. Če niso bi bilo morda dobro razmisliti ali so kredibilen vir informacij ali ne.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Smrekar1 ()
Invictus ::
Ne bojo potrebni nobeni “konkretni dokazi”. Izrael in frendi trdijo, da je itak cel P5+1 deal neprimeren in da so zdaj problem tudi balistični izstrelki.
Izrael ima jedrske bombe (okoli 200 bojnih glav), balistične rakete in podmornice, ki lahko izstreljujejo manevrirne rakete z jedrsko bojno glaso.
In potem je Iran problem ?!?!?!?
Izrael lahko sam, samcat zradira celo Evropo...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
http://goo.gl/2YuS2x
Smrekar1 ::
Izrael ima jedrske bombe (okoli 200 bojnih glav), balistične rakete in podmornice, ki lahko izstreljujejo manevrirne rakete z jedrsko bojno glaso.
In potem je Iran problem ?!?!?!?
Izrael lahko sam, samcat zradira celo Evropo...
Izrael ne plačuje teroristom, da napadajo zahodne tarče.
Iran jih.
Pomojem je tu tista razlika, ki jo iščeš.