AMD ZEN - nova X86 Jedra

To je pri obeh.

Pogrešam Cyrix fanboje. ;)

Če te mal tehnične stvari pri PCju zanimajo, sta na yutubu 2 osebi. Tale Roman in bulzokarkoli. Vse ostalo so bolj novinarji in zabavljači, z zelo malo znanja elektronike in na splošno računalništva. In vsebina, ki jo občasno izpluneta je res informativna, me kdaj kaj zanima in že imata pokrito.

Se najde še kup ljudi, ki obvlada, po raznih forumih, overclock.net jih ima kar nekaj.

Večino pa so, tako kot tudi tukaj, ljudje, ki se igrajo z legokockami in so že kar arhitekti :)

Vuli je 21. jul 2019 ob 16:32 izjavil:

meho7 je 21. jul 2019 ob 15:05 izjavil:

lmao AMD je kontaktiral der8auerja, ker naj bi postal anti-AMD videote

ja, kake fore,.. threadriper z dvema dummy jedroma.

Kdor zna nemsko naj si ogleda se nemsko verzijo - gre malo bolj v detajle o AMDju ter problemih nedoseganja frekvenc, ki so napisane na skatli...

Hehe, vidim da je lov na ustrezne rame po neoderuških cenah še vedno stalnica AMD izkušnje

Trier je 21. jul 2019 ob 21:23 izjavil:

Hehe, vidim da je lov na ustrezne rame po neoderuških cenah še vedno stalnica AMD izkušnje

Vidim, da si se vedno ignoramus, ker to hitrost RAMa podrpirajo dolcoeni INTEL cipi. Sam kaj pricakovati od trola s tako nizkim IQ.

Silicon Lottery o novih Ryzen cpujih

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c...

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/...

Zalostno

strumf666 je 22. jul 2019 ob 07:05 izjavil:

Kaj je žalostno?

Frekvence

meho7 je 22. jul 2019 ob 07:35 izjavil:

strumf666 je 22. jul 2019 ob 07:05 izjavil:

Kaj je žalostno?

Frekvence

Zanimivo, jaz sem vedno mislil, da zmogljivost šteje.

Želiš 5GHz? AMD je imel tak procesor že več let nazaj! Zdaj ga dobiš za drobiž. Kupi!

Resno: eni pajaci pričakujete, da bo z vsako generacijo šla zmogljivost gor. Tudi frekvence (to, da dobiš več jeder, ki jih je treba HLADITI pozabljate) in to kar fino.

Potem bi pa še navijali do onemoglosti.

Naj mi nekdo razloži kako gre vse to skupaj?

D3m je 21. jul 2019 ob 22:42 izjavil:

Ko že Treer in ostala druščina slabo bere glede WHEA.....

Microsoft: (SFC) incorrectly flags Win Defender PowerShell module files as corrupted (not Ryzen 3000)

Kolega, ki je šel na 3700X jih dobiva za PCIE (torej za hardware).
Glede na to, da nimajo vsi teh težav bi lahko bila kakšna kombinacija HWja (CPU+matična), ki povzroča te napake.

EDIT: Kar sem opazil jih je večina za PCIE.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c... pravijo da gre nekaterim čez 4.6 standard 4.55

D3m je 22. jul 2019 ob 08:57 izjavil:

Treer je trdil, da je napaka izključno AMDjeva, kar ni res.

Kaj on tuli je popolnoma nepomembno Nima nobene kredibilnosti.

Se pravi zdaj naveden boost clock (npr. 4.6 GHz za 3900X) ne pomeni frekvence ob single core obremenitvi, pač pa najvišja frekvenca ki jo procesor lahko doseže, ob nedoločeni obremenitvi in za nedoločen čas - če so milisekunde, so pač milisekunde? In za ta boost je očitno potreben poseben light load enega jedra, ob polni obremenitvi (npr. Cinebench single core benchmark) pa že lahko pade za nekaj 100 MHz? Tudi na vodnem hlajenju in v najdražji matični plošči, ki ima VRMjev za nekajkratnik največje teoretične porabe?

To bi lahko AMD bolje skomuniciral. Ob primerjavi z 9900K, kjer procesor na 5 GHz teče cele dneve, če mu daš le enojederno obremenitev in zadosti hlajenja, je novi AMDjev navedeni boost videti precej... Zavajajoč. Sploh, ker se potem aplikacije, ki obremenijo le eno ali par jeder (npr. večina iger) ne obnaša ekvivalentno navedeni boost frekvenci, praktično vsi Zen 2 procesorji zdaj v igrah boostajo približno na isto frekvenco, ne glede na naziven boost 4.2, 4.4, 4.5 ali 4.6 GHz.

Predvsem pa je težko odpustiti zavajanje glede PBO + Overclock in dvigovanja boost frekvence. Tudi ob hlajenju s tekočim dušikom PBO + overclock procesor boosta manj kot pa osnoven Precision Boost, ki frekvenco avtomatsko dvigne zaradi boljšega hlajenja. AMD bi moral revidirati informacije, kaj PBO + overclock sploh dosega, ali pa pač sporočiti, da v teh procesorjih funkcija pač ne deluje kot je oglaševana (in da bo morda delovala s prihodom Zen 2+...).

PCIe 4.0: bo, ne bo, bo, ne bo ....


https://www.techpowerup.com/257380/asus...

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Trier je 22. jul 2019 ob 10:41 izjavil:

meho7 je 22. jul 2019 ob 06:34 izjavil:

Silicon Lottery o novih Ryzen cpujih

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c...

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/...

Zalostno

LOL, več kot 600$ za garantirano stabilen 4,3 all-core! Toliko o "izboljšanih" frekvencah glede na Zen+ Edini način, da dobiš 4,4 je izklop SMT-ja, kar sicer rdeči tako radi očitajo Intelu - sedaj bodo verjetno tiho

pa kljub temu si moral ravno zamenjati majco, srejce zagotovo ne...

Zanimivo, da whole system z 9900k v igrah manj požre W od ryznov in tudi hitrejši je, pa je na papirju toliko v prid AMDju. Čudno.

Dokler ne priznaš bedarije, ker ne upoštevaš, da pri vsakem cpuju izkoristi isto jeder, torej se lahko primerja. Imaš jajca ali boš le blodil?

RegulusDraco je 22. jul 2019 ob 17:13 izjavil:

Mr.B je 22. jul 2019 ob 16:48 izjavil:

FlyingBee je 22. jul 2019 ob 15:11 izjavil:

Zanimivo, da whole system z 9900k v igrah manj požre W od ryznov in tudi hitrejši je, pa je na papirju toliko v prid AMDju. Čudno.

Poz znal to pokazati samo v besedah ali v teh 33 igrah. Ali se boš osredotočil samo v igrah, ki imajo teržave uporoabe več kot enega jedra.

Najprej boš zapisal katere igre uporabijo več jeder kot jih ima i9-9900k, potem pa bomo debatirali.

Lol, Verjetno testiraš GTA, ki zan uporabljati samo eno jedro
Ashes of the Singularity ?
V igrah, ki ne znajo delati z več kot štirimi jedri, no so pomembni Ghz.. Sploh kak Gta ki ima celo dokumentiran switch disableHyperthreading. Tam je seveda poraba irelevantna..
Razen če si ti un tip, ki ni pogledal unega youtube fiilmčka, pri 7 in 10 minutah, kjer razlaga o nepomebnosti porabe CPU-ja, razen seveda ko greš navijat, ampak ja nivo je pač slo tech lolekov, ki niso naredili domače naloge...

FlyingBee je 22. jul 2019 ob 18:30 izjavil:

Pa še vedno ostaja pri istem, da med igro sploh ni tako grozno požrešen kot bi radi rdeči drekači prikazali.

A res.
1. Je na stock z power limit ?
2. Ima primerno hlajenje ?
3. no izploni razno, ce bos odkrival toplo vodo...

9900K poraba. :)

The 3700X & 3900X Versus The Competition, Verdict
Office CPU Performance and Productivity

It's in these categories where AMD's strengths lie: In the majority of our system benchmarks, AMD more often than not is able to best Intel's Core i7-9700K and i9-9900K in terms of performance. It was particularly interesting to see the new 3rd gen Ryzens post larger improvements in the web tests, all thanks to Zen 2's improved and larger op cache.

In anything that is more than lightly multi-threaded, AMD is also able to take the performance crown among mainstream desktop processors, thanks to their inclusion of 12 cores in their top SKU Ryzen 3900X. For total MT throughput, Intel can still beat this with their massive X-series HEDT chips, but these server-derrived parts are in a completely different class in both features and price, and AMD has their own Threadripper parts to rival that. All of this means that for heavily threaded scenarios, the 3900X rules the roost among true desktop processors.

Meanwhile, even when AMD doesn't have a core count advantage - as is the case with the Ryzen 3700X - the chip is still extremely competitive. Overall the 3700X falls in-between the more expensive 9700K and 9900K when it comes to multi-threaded workloads - and sometimes it even beats the 9900K, a respectable result indeed.
Gaming Performance

When it comes to gaming performance, the 9700K and 9900K remain the best performing CPUs on the market. Even without an IPC advantage anymore, Intel's high clockspeeds and supporting elements such as the core ringbus still give them the best performance in the kind of lightly-threaded and tightly-threaded scenarios that games often follow.

That being said, the new 3700X and 3900X are posting enormous improvements over the 2700X. And we can confirm AMD's claims of up to 30-35% better performance in some games over the 2700X. So AMD has not been standing still.

Ultimately, while AMD still lags behind Intel in gaming performance, the gap has narrowed immensely, to the point that Ryzen CPUs are no longer something to be dismissed if you want to have a high-end gaming machine. Intel's performance advantage is rather limited here - and for the power-conscientious, AMD is delivering better efficiency at this point - so while they may not always win out as the very best choice for absolute peak gaming performance, the 3rd gen Ryzens are still very much a very viable option worth considering.
Everything Tied Together: A Win For AMD

What really does make the Ryzen 3700X and 3900X winners in my eyes is their overall packages and performance. They're outstanding all-rounders, and AMD has managed to vastly improve some of the aspects it was lagging behind the most. While AMD still needs to further push total single-threaded performance in the future and continue working on improving memory performance, they're on Intel's tail.

Perhaps the best arguments for the 3700X and 3900X is their value as well as their power efficiency. At $329 the 3700X particularly seems exciting, and gamers will want to take note that it posts the same gaming performance as the $499 3900X. Considering that AMD is also shipping the CPU with the perfectly reasonable Wraith coolers, this also adds on to the value that you get if you're budget conscious.

The 3900X essentially has no real competition when it comes to the multi-threaded performance that it's able to deliver. Here the chip not only bests Intel's mainstream desktop designs, but it's able to go toe-to-toe with the lowest rung of Intel's more specialized HEDT platforms. Even AMD's own Threadripper line-up is made irrelevant below 16 cores.

All in all, while AMD still has some way to go, they've never been this close to Intel in over a decade. This is no longer the story of the AMD that is trying to catch up to Intel; this is now the story of the AMD that is once more a formidable rival to Intel. And, if the company is able to continue to execute as well, we should be seeing even more exciting things in the future.

And, for these reasons, we are awarding AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen processors an AnandTech Editor's Choice Silver award for their value and energy efficiency. AMD has raised the bar indeed.

Full load, ja.

65w TDP 3700x porabi 90w. Dobro je.

A zdaj pa praviš, da bi tudi zraven Ryzna vzel 1650? What gives, Mr.Bird-Brain?

Danes prišla b450 tomahawk pa ryzen 3600, in sem updatal bios najprej, potem dam gor procesor ter se vse ostalo priklopim in zaženem računalnik na zaslonu se nič ne prikaže, na plati pa sveti rdeča lučka za CPU. Kaj mislite da je lahlo narobe?

Kakšna je koda, kaj točno za CPU? Tomahawk b450 naj bi bila več kot dobra izbira za 3000 serijo.

To pa nisem pomislil, sem najprej kar v 19 flashal, pač zadnja verzija biosa. Pa moram sedaj če hočem ponovno flashat vzet dol procesor in vse drugo odklopit?