Ukrajina Part II

vrednosti delnic so brez pomena.

Kdo je pokupil prodane delnice? Rusi...

torej ves dobiček od prodanega plina in nafte ostane v rusiji.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen...

a to so si rusi sami zažgali?

S to malo vojno bodo rusi odpravili vse svoje probleme. To je dobra lekcija. V to da bodo dosegli svoje cilje pa ni dvoma.

MojaDežela je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:38 izjavil:

Julija 2021 je Putin objavil esej z naslovom O zgodovinski enotnosti Rusov in Ukrajincev, v katerem je ponovno potrdil svoje stališče, da so Rusi in Ukrajinci "en narod".
Ameriški zgodovinar Timothy Snyder je Putinove ideje označil za imperialistične.
Britanski novinar Edward Lucas pa jih je označil za zgodovinski revizionizem.

---ABSURD VSEH ABSURDOV: DA KADIROVSKI ČEČENI OSVOBAJAJO MARIJUPOL - A SO ONI TUDI Z RUSI EN NAROD?
TO GOLAZEN TREBA UTOPIT V ČRNEM MORJU - A PUTIN BO CRKNIL KOT MUHA V KREMLJU - AZOVSTAL NE BO NIKOLI POZABLJEN!!!

napad Rusije na Ukrajino je nezakonit, zločinski in genociden!

BorutO je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:58 izjavil:

korenje3 je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:42 izjavil:

koyotee je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:40 izjavil:

korenje3 je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:39 izjavil:

S to malo vojno bodo rusi odpravili vse svoje probleme. To je dobra lekcija. V to da bodo dosegli svoje cilje pa ni dvoma.

Mislis posebno 3 dnevno operacijo?
Dobra lekcija za koga?
Katere cilje?

ne vem od kje tebi termin 3 dni.
cilji so bili pa jasno izraženi že večkrat. toje demilitarizacija ukrajine, osvoboditev donbasa, denazifikacija.

Te cilje si je tvoj putler sproti izmišljeval ... počakaj še par dni, ko bo našel nov cilj te vojne ... Odstaviteve zelenskega mu je propadla. To je bil prvi in edini cilj ... no, zelenski še pa kar živi in povzroča sive lase putlerju in njegovi vojski.

Tile cilji so bili definirani pred invazijo, javno povedani. Ohrani laži za ovce in govedo.

BUUUU a so to ruzzi samo vrgli v zrak?

BUUUU a so to ruzzi samo vrgli v zrak?

BUUUU a so to ruzzi samo vrgli v zrak?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen...

korenje3 je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:55 izjavil:

MojaDežela je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:48 izjavil:

napad Rusije na Ukrajino je nezakonit, zločinski in genociden!

če je napad na srbijo, irak, afganistan, sirijo, libijo, jemen zakonit, potem je tudi napad na ukrajino.

scythe je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:50 izjavil:

Haha ker majster je tale korenje

Včeraj je direktor glavne Ruske banke rekel, da ni več rezerv za kontroliranje rublja in da treba čimprej najdit način za izvoz in uvoz, drugače bo adijo gospodarstvo.

Ne vem zakaj jočejo, če sankcije ne delujejo. Kdo tuki fejka?

je že v redu... ne vem kdo je tvoj vir, verjetno kak twitter.

2022-03-18 01:00 PM Feb $643.2B $630B
2022-04-11 01:00 PM Mar $606B $617B
2022-05-11 01:00 PM Apr $606B

Cca 10 milijard rezerv gre na mesec za vzdrževanje valute.

Razpolagajo z cca 300 milijardami v devizah in 200 milijard v zlatu.

Tako da imajo še 500 milijard dolarjev na voljo. Kar pomeni za 40 let.

RT.ru vir, vem da zavajajo celo Rusijo oz.ruski narod....

Sem ti pa našel isto novico v Slo https://www.rtvslo.si/gospodarstvo/guve...

MojaDežela je 22. apr 2022 ob 00:28 izjavil:

Sojgu pravi da se pripravlja vrnitev civilistov v Mariupolj. Najprej porusis mesto da ne ostane kamen na kamnu in nato bodo prisilno vozili prebivalce da se vrnejo?. pa kam? a bodo mrtve civiliste pokopavali?...Ruska fuknjena logika!

--na posnetku se čečenci derejo : alah akbar! osvobojeno je mesto!...muslimani in putin je penetracija degenov!

ja ,a ti veš sploh kaj je velika država in ali si že slišal za društvo zmernega napredka

saj si veliko pametnega napisal ampak si se preveč zakvačkal

MojaDežela je 22. apr 2022 ob 00:46 izjavil:

se pravi da je kremelski palček želel, da je ukrajinska suverenost "mogoča le v partnerstvu z Rusijo".

V SZ je bila Ukrajina najbolj bogata republika, imeli so tudi največji proračun. Kot neke vrste Slovenija v Jugoslaviji. Vesoljski program so na 75% izvajali Ukrajinci. Avion Mirja (AN-224) je dejansko bil narejen, da se transportira Shuttle (Burjan ali nekaj takega).

Tudi Hruščov je bil Ukrajinec in je dosti naredil za Ukrajino. Zdaj do katere mere se morajo Ukrajinci zahvaliti SZ, da jih je omogočila. Do ene (velike) mere sigurno. Vendar podobno kot Slovenija v Jugoslaviji, ko zadaneš ob zid, potem ai zid preskočiš, podreš, se ga ogneš. Rusija je bila zid in Ukrajinci so se jih - ognili. Ter se obrnili na Zahod.

Ali bi morali biti Ukrajinci večno hvaležni bivši SZ, "za vse"? Rusi menijo, da ja.

bbbbbb2015 je 22. apr 2022 ob 00:52 izjavil:

MojaDežela je 22. apr 2022 ob 00:46 izjavil:

se pravi da je kremelski palček želel, da je ukrajinska suverenost "mogoča le v partnerstvu z Rusijo".

V SZ je bila Ukrajina najbolj bogata republika, imeli so tudi največji proračun. Kot neke vrste Slovenija v Jugoslaviji. Vesoljski program so na 75% izvajali Ukrajinci. Avion Mirja (AN-224) je dejansko bil narejen, da se transportira Shuttle (Burjan ali nekaj takega).

Tudi Hruščov je bil Ukrajinec in je dosti naredil za Ukrajino. Zdaj do katere mere se morajo Ukrajinci zahvaliti SZ, da jih je omogočila. Do ene (velike) mere sigurno. Vendar podobno kot Slovenija v Jugoslaviji, ko zadaneš ob zid, potem ai zid preskočiš, podreš, se ga ogneš. Rusija je bila zid in Ukrajinci so se jih - ognili. Ter se obrnili na Zahod.

zgodovino si prdstavljaš na ne najbolj posrečen prosti spis

Ali bi morali biti Ukrajinci večno hvaležni bivši SZ, "za vse"? Rusi menijo, da ja.

Russia and China nightmare as UK scientists analyse secrets of Putin's prized fighter jet

BRITISH and American scientists are analysing the secret long-range targeting mechanism of Russia's most advanced fighter jet, sources confirmed last night.

And their findings could make a "huge difference" in how the West conducts air-to-air combat with both Russia and China. Ukrainian troops shot down the Sukhoi Su-35S using short-range missiles two weeks ago. Specialists with the Ukrainian Air Force were able to retrieve vital and hitherto classified elements from its burnt-out remains and informed British intelligence.

The systems were transported to the Government's Defence, Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) at Porton Down, in Wiltshire, where boffins, joined by two experts from the US Air Force, have spent ten days examining them.

The initial assessment was deemed so promising that the systems have now been flown to Nevada, USA, for more forensic examination.

Dubbed "Flanker" by Nato, the fighter jet was conducting a so-called Suppression of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD) operation when it was unexpectedly shot down near Izium, some 75 miles from Kharkiv, in eastern Ukraine on April 3.

Its pilot was captured after safely ejecting.

The Flanker is Russia's equivalent to the F-35 fifth generation multirole fighter which is currently used by the RAF and 14 other Nato nations - though it does not possess stealth technology.

And the prospect of Nato powers examining its sophisticated inner workings will cause consternation among air force chiefs in Russia, which operates 47 of them.

It has also sent shockwaves in China which, as Russia's biggest defence partner, now boasts the world's second largest fleet having signed a $2bn deal for 24 of the fighters in 2015.

Though the aircraft was heavily-damaged, sources say enough remained of the targeting system for detailed analysis.



This will be made easier by the discovery that the system - which, on paper, boasts the capability of spotting Nato's stealth aircraft 350 miles away - has many similarities to the F-35s, making it more easy to fully explore.

The capture of tech is proving to be a spectacular own-goal for premier Vladimir Putin following the disastrous performance of Russian forces in the seven-week war.

Not only can it leave systems vulnerable to Nato counter-measures, but so too could it jeopardise future arms sales to supplicant countries - a vital revenue stream for cash-starved Russia.

Scientists at the DSTL are also examining remains of a T-90 - Russia's most advanced battle tank, which fitted with an explosive reactive armour and a unique defensive Shtora-1 aids system- a Buk missile system, used to down Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in 2014, and a Tor surface to air missile system.

India operates 2,000 T-90s of different variants as well as the Buk, while Iran used a Tor to shoot down Ukrainian flight 752 in January 2020.

But it is the GBP50m fighter jet which was the cause of most excitement.

Justin Bronk, air power and technology expert at the RUSI think tank, said: " Any potential opportunity to examine the radar components or electronic warfare pods on the downed SU-35 would be valuable as, even damaged, such components can confirm or undermine existing intelligence assessments about how they work."

Prof Alessio Patalano of the Department of War Studies at King's College, London, said:"While this war has been predominantly a land campaign which has focussed on the least advanced and modernised elements of Russia's military, we need to remember that Russia still has capabilities that contain the technological edge of great interest to the West.

"The SU-35S isn't a simple drone - it is a sophisticated and very advanced piece of machinery which took decades to develop. Once its tech is stolen, it isn't easily fixable and you can be sure that, depending on what the UK and US discover, Russia will be worried."

And that concern will be felt beyond Moscow, he said

"Examining this system won't just allow Nato to understand Russian capabilities. China has been worried since the beginning of operations in Ukraine precisely because this could happen,' he added.

"Because China reverse engineers everything Russian sells it, it is likely to have included elements from the SU-35 in its other, indigenous, J-Class fighters such as its superior Chengdu J-20.

"The West doesn't have much insight into Chinese technology so, in terms of command and control and long range capabilities, this is a unique opportunity which could, potentially, make a huge difference.

"If you know the frequency a system operates on, for instance, you can disrupt it."

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151...
Pro-Kremlin resource Readovka reported about the death of 13,414 #Russian soldiers while around 7,000 are being missed. These numbers were announced at a closed briefing of #Russia's Ministry of Defence. The post by Readovka has already been deleted.



https://twitter.com/A_Division_Bell/sta...
And finally some numbers about Moskva. 116 dead, over 100 MIA.

SmolWhale je 22. apr 2022 ob 03:41 izjavil:

Danes bo lep dan, veliko ruskih Nacistov bo eleminiranih, kakšen fantastinčen dan!

LP

Z

Malo narobe si zapisal.

P.s. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/21/busi...

Bravo indija!

Začetek prvega poglavja knjige Hitler's table talk 1941-1944:zbirke njegovih monologov, ki so bile zapisane s strani Heinreich Heima, Henry Pickerja in Martin Bormanna. Fascinantna knjiga btw.
We must distinguish between the Fascist popular movement and the popular movement in Russia. The Fascist movementis a spontaneous return to the traditions of ancient Rome. The Russian movement has an essential tendency towards anarchy.
By instinct, the Russian does not incline towards a higher form of society. Certain peoples can live in such a way that with them a collection of family units does not make a whole; and although Russia has set up a social system which, judged by Western standards, qualifies for the designation " State ", it is not, in fact, a system which is either congenial or natural to her.
It is true that, in a sense, every product of human culture, every work gifted with beauty can be born only of the effect of the constraint which we call education.
The Aryan peoples are peoples who are particularly active. A man like Krümel works from morning to night; such-and- such another person never stops thinking. In the same way, the Italian is as diligent as an ant (bienenfleissig). In the eyes ofthe Russian, the principal support of civilisation is vodka. His ideal consistsinneverdoinganythingbuttheindispensable. Ourcon- ception of work (work, and then more of it!) is one that he sub- mits to as if it were a real curse.
It is doubtful whether anything at all can be done in Russia without the help of the Orthodox priest. It's the priest who has been able to reconcile the Russian to the fatal necessity ofwork
--by promising him more happiness in another world.
The Russian will never make up his mind to work except under compulsion from outside, for he is incapable oforganising himself. And if, despite everything, he is apt to have organisa- tion thrust upon him, that is thanks to the drop ofAryan blood in his veins. It's only because of this drop that the Russian people has created something and possesses an organised State, It takes energy to rule Russia. The corollary is that, the tougher a country's régime, the more appropriate it is that equity and justice should be practised there. The horse that is not kept constantly under control forgets in the wink of an eye the rudiments of training that have been inculcated into it. In the same way, with the Russian, there is an instinctive force that invariably leads him back to the state of nature. People some- times quote the case of the horses that escaped from a ranch in America, and by some ten years later had formed huge herds of wild horses. It is so easy for an animal to go back to its origins ! For the Russian, the return to the state of nature is a return to primitive forms of life. The family exists, the female looks after her children, like the female of the hare, with all the feelings ofamother. ButtheRussiandoesn'twantanythingmore. His reaction against the constraint of the organised State (which is always a constraint, since it limits the liberty of the individual) is brutal and savage, like all feminine reactions. When he collapses and should yield, the Russian bursts into lamentations. This will to return to the state of nature is exhibited in his revolutions. For the Russian, the typical form of revolution is nihilism.

https://ia801304.us.archive.org/34/item...

koyotee je 22. apr 2022 ob 07:04 izjavil:

SmolWhale je 22. apr 2022 ob 03:41 izjavil:

Danes bo lep dan, veliko ruskih Nacistov bo eleminiranih, kakšen fantastinčen dan!

LP

Z

Malo narobe si zapisal.

P.s. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/21/busi...

Bravo indija!

Očitno je ciasova misija bila neuspešna

3k se slisi nemogoca stevilka? To bi pomenilo, da Wagner prakticno ne obstaja.

bbbbbb2015 je 22. apr 2022 ob 00:38 izjavil:

MojaDežela je 21. apr 2022 ob 23:38 izjavil:

Julija 2021 je Putin objavil esej z naslovom O zgodovinski enotnosti Rusov in Ukrajincev, v katerem je ponovno potrdil svoje stališče, da so Rusi in Ukrajinci "en narod".
Ameriški zgodovinar Timothy Snyder je Putinove ideje označil za imperialistične.
Britanski novinar Edward Lucas pa jih je označil za zgodovinski revizionizem.

To je sicer za prebrati. Kolikor sem na hitro preletel, je stvar taka...

Po prvi sv. v. je prišlo do "Pomladi narodov", ogromno držav se je oblikovalo na podlagi narodne samoodločbe. Nemci bi sicer imeli kaj za pripomniti, Avstrijci tudi, pa verjetno Madžari tudi, ki stalno vlačijo neke čudne zemljevide naprej.

Rusi formalno vojne niso izgubili, carska Rusija je ostala (več ali manj) v svojih mejah. Potem je prišla revolucija in nastala je SZ, ki pa je, zaradi praktičnosti izvedla interno "samoodločno narodov". Putin se s tem ne strinja, ter to imenuje družbeni eksperiment.

To ni revizionizem, niti imperializem, je pa relativizacija narodne samoodločbe.

Ko je SZ razpadla, pa je razpadla v mejah sovjetskih republik. Ukrajina je tudi "dobila" darilo - Krim. Donbasa nikoli ni dobila. Tam so živeli Ukrajinci, ki so potem pocrkali okrog leta 1930, ko je bila velika lakota. Tam je potem Stalin, zaradi praktičnosti, naselil ruske kmete. Tudi za Krim se ve, da ni bil toliko darilo, ampak failed avtonomna pokrajina z revnimi kmeti, ki so crkovali od gladi, ker na Krimu ni bilo vode. Vodo so pripeljali Ukrajinci in so se pošteno stegnili (za 2 letna proračuna), da so skopali tisti kanal.

Težava Putina in njegove kamarile je - ekonomija. Po letu 1991 nimajo v ekonomsko-razvojnem smislu kaj pokazati, razen tista 100tica oligarhov in njihovih familij. Zato se Ukrajinci, iz praktičnih razlogov, obračajo stran k EU. Pa saj ne, da bi bili Ukrajinci kaj dosti boljši. Imajo svoje oligarhe in svojo korupcijo. So pa prišli do zavesti, da rabijo nek demokratičen sistem, ki ne preferira oligarhe. To jim je pa od Janukoviča naprej jasno.

Še enkrat bom rekel: ukrajinski oligarhi se imajo za svoj obstoj zahvaliti Janukoviču in so proruski. Zelenski je večkrat jasno povedal, da on v oligarhiji ne vidi dodane vrednosti. Pa saj to je že prejšnji predsednik enako povedal, to je bil Porošenko.

Tu je srčika razhajanja med Rusijo in Ukrajino. In Putin ne razume, da je starček, z veliko državo, z nizko ekonomsko produktivnostjo.

Zgolj nekaj podatkov o ekonomiji. Ruski GDP je podoben ostali državam, ki temeljijo na ekstakcijskem gospodarstvu:
- Rusija 1,483 bilijona
- Brazilija 1,445
- Avstralija 1,331
- Kanada 1,643

Imajo še rezerve, predvsem zaradi korupcije, dejansko organiziranega izsiljevanja s strani FSBja, ki zahteva plačilo za "zaščito". Podjetniki pravijo, da je to zelo destimulativno za veliki posel, ker če prilezeš na vrh, si disproporcionalno še bolj obdavčen za zaščito. Mnogi so izračunal, da se jim ne splača širiti.

Oligarhi sami po sebi niso nujno problem za uspešnost nacionalne ekonomije.

l0g1t3ch je 22. apr 2022 ob 08:31 izjavil:

Le dan po tem, ko so v luksuznem stanovanju v Moskvi našli trupla vplivnega ruskega bančnika in njegove družine, ubil naj bi ženo in hčer ter nato sodil še sebi, se je podoben zločin zgodil še v Španiji. V svoji vili v letoviškem mestu Lloret de Mar je naftni in plinski oligarh Sergej Protosenja s sekiro umoril ženo in hčer, nato pa končal še lastno življenje.

Oligarhi nekam sumljivo cepajo te dni...

verjetno je tudi s sekiro sebe vsekal 5x po glavi :D

l0g1t3ch je 22. apr 2022 ob 08:37 izjavil:

Russia - 3082, of which: destroyed: 1635, damaged: 47, abandoned: 243, captured: 1155


Tanks (531, of which destroyed: 269, damaged: 11, abandoned: 39, captured: 212)

Številke lepo rastjeo. Prazen bo letošnji 9. maj, ali pa bo zgodovinska poslastica.

za sladico bi lahko ukrajinci pred parado potolkli most ki so ga rusi zgradili do otoka krim. Samo verjento a enkrat res nimajo pravega orožja.

SmolWhale, je manj pobitih ker na ulicah ni ljudi zaradi dežja? :D

Na kaj si pripravljen? Si v rusiji da boš tako slabo jedel?

TezkoDihanje je 22. apr 2022 ob 07:34 izjavil:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl...
Nearly 3,000 of Russia's notorious Wagner mercenary group have been killed in the war, UK MPs told

Denacifikacija. Odlično!

In kakor izbubljajo opremo bo tudi demilitarizacija.