Ukrajina Part II

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ejej, spet težave v raju; pa nič se ne poroča o tem

Pac-Man je 27. nov 2016 ob 20:53 izjavil:

Na linku je zaslonska slika AFPjevega prispevka, ti pa praviš, da se ne poroča?

nič ne vidim na CNN

Haha, Saka je pravi politik! Tip se bo prerinil na oblast in poskusil še enkrat napasti Rusijo, tokrat z večjo državo in vojsko, kot je bila njegova spodletela gruzinska eskapada l.2008.

Saka for EU president 2020!!

Pa sej tale Ukrajina je še večja komedija od države kot pa Kosovo.

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izgovori

Poljska je imela od 1945 do 1989 hardcore komunizem, pa poglej kje so trenutno. Samo pravi kader rabiš in lustracijo s katero upokojiš staro sodrgo, da nima več možnosti se politično udejstvovati.

To bi morali v Sloveniji po osamosvojitvi narediti - staro gardo upokojiti in izbrati nov kader, ki prej ni bil politično prepoznan.

Zaradi tega imamo v Sloveniji in še kje drugje probleme. Poljaki, Čehi, Slovaki in še kdo so pa naredili lustracijo in počistili s preteklostjo ter tako bolje in sveže začeli. Zdaj pa žanjejo velike uspehe, ki se bodo tudi naprej nadaljevali.

Slovenija na drugi strani pa je naletela na zavoro. Ukrajina pa se komaj 2 leti šele ukvarja s tem, a sem optimist in sem prepričan da bodo s časom postali izboljšali svojo situacijo.

Rusija na drugi strani pa bo začela stagnirati in crkovati. Cikel se bo pri njih resetiral in ponovil, novi padec je neizbežen.

Starodavni je 28. nov 2016 ob 11:06 izjavil:

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izgovori

Poljska je imela od 1945 do 1989 hardcore komunizem, pa poglej kje so trenutno.

a je fajn pisat o stvareh, ki jih ne poznaš in predstavljati zgodovino kot en enoten, homogen monolit

Polish October @ Wikipedia

zaradi tega imamo v Sloveniji in še kje drugje probleme. Poljaki, Čehi, Slovaki in še kdo so pa naredili lustracijo in počistili s preteklostjo ter tako bolje in sveže začeli.

govoriš o Slovaški, kjer premočno vlada Ficova stranka, naslednica komunistične partije?
Koga pa bi v Sloveniji lustriral?

Odlična jara kača o italijanskem Movimento 5 Stelle (Beppe Grillo & co.) in njihovi vlogi pri širjenju lažnih novic, v tej temi bi bil zanimiv ta del

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardell...

One of the most striking aspects of the coverage on M5S-controlled sites has been the shift in their attitude to Vladimir Putin and Russia, which appears to go beyond publishing unsubstantiated claims from Sputnik, RT, and other pro-Kremlin sources.

Until 2014, the network’s coverage was minimal and mostly critical. The party, and Grillo, took a tough stance on Russia’s regressive attitude to LGBT rights and its crackdown on the media and NGOs.

When Russian President Putin visited Italy in November 2013, M5S called on the Italian prime minister to go to parliament to explain the government’s “obscure dealings with the Russian Tsar”.

As late as March 2014, M5S MPs were describing events in Ukraine as a Russian invasion, and blaming Italy and the EU for standing by because they didn’t want to risk gas deals with Putin.

Just a few months later, however, the party’s position appears to have changed substantially. A post shared by Grillo at the end of 2014 tells the story of a factory’s workers saved by Putin: “What would Renzie have done? Putin facts. Renzie slogans.” (Grillo’s deliberate misspelling of the PM’s surname is a reference to a meme he started comparing Renzi to Fonzie from the sitcom Happy Days.)

Senior M5S MPs who sit on the parliament’s foreign affairs committee, including Alessandro Di Battista and Di Stefano, met Russian officials earlier this year. M5S MPs also attended the party conference of Putin’s United Russia in June. There, Di Stefano claimed a coup had taken place in Kiev, and that the EU and the US were involved in a campaign of disinformation and interference.

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In addition to publishing pro-Kremlin and anti-NATO messages across its web properties, M5S has called for sanctions to be dropped, accepted the annexation of Crimea, and, in July 2015, tabled a parliamentary question calling for relations with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad to be normalised. Last month the party protested against Italian troops being used in a NATO training exercise in the Baltic.

One M5S MP went as far as claiming in parliament that she was aware of evidence of concentration camps in Ukraine operated by the government there, as well as of the torture on Russian nationals in the country. Both claims are unsubstantiated.

She also falsely alleged there was evidence of cannibalism in Ukraine on the basis of a photo she had seen. The image was actually taken from a movie, but the MP retracted the claim only after it had been widely shared on social media.

Najbolj severno ležeča bencinska črpalka je nekomu dala posojilo...

Pac-Man je 2. dec 2016 ob 20:29 izjavil:

Tale Azov=ISIS zgodba je bila na začetku leta popularna med ruskimi propagandisti

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/01/azov-b...

Saj ne, da ni šlo za prozoren fejk, vseeno pa je zdaj postalo jasno še, kje so zadevo posneli. V bivšem kulturnem centru Izolatsya v Donetsku, na teritoriju DNR.

http://www.bbc.com/russian/features-381...

Zanimivo, da so se trudili z novim airsoft? orožjem, ko pa je na voljo obilo kalašov. Obupano prizadevanje, da se v zgodbo vključijo ZDA?

Ma ne , to ni fejk propaganda , to je umetnost!

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/286206

based on information received as of 19:30, 4 December 2016

An SMM mini unmanned aerial vehicle spotted a canister probably of a surface-to-air-missile system (9K37, 400mm), a military-type truck and at least two armed men at a compound in an “LPR”-controlled area about 8km north-west of Luhansk city centre on 29 November.

9K37 je bolje znan kot Buk, ker so opazili z UAV obstaja video.

Lahko nič posebnega, prazna škatla ukrajinske vojske, vseeno pa zanimivo in za preverit. Ampak dvomim, da jim bodo dovolili.

Povezave z MH17 verjetno ni, tisti lanser je skoraj gotovo prišel čez mejo z naloženimi raketami.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c2b_1481...

Še ena iz poglavja projekcija.

februar 2014

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2...

Vladimir Putin just hates fracking—at least, he hates it when other countries do it. As the Russian president told an economic conference last year, in places where companies are fracking to extract natural gas, they turn on the faucet and “black stuff comes out of the tap.” Consider the environment, he begged his audience.

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To be sure, there are environmental issues with fracking(...)But, just as surely, the environment is not Putin’s main concern. (P.S. Russia isn’t exactly opposed to do a little fracking of its own.)

If the natural gas reserves in Ukraine are anything like as large as analysts believe—and that is a big “if,” but far from an impossibility—then the geopolitical and economic position of the former Soviet republic could be transformed; its independence from Moscow assured; its value to the West unquestioned.

Even the ousted President Viktor Yanukovych understood that. (He was never so reliable a Putin ally as his opponents painted him.) Last November, Yanukovych’s government signed a $10 billion deal for shale gas exploration and exploitation with the American-based multinational Chevron, following on another massive deal with Royal Dutch Shell. Together, Yanukovych claimed, those agreements would enable Ukraine “to have full sufficiency in gas by 2020 and, under an optimistic scenario, even enable us to export energy.”

You can imagine how happy Putin was about that.

Just a week later, Yanukovych was supposed to sign a deal with the European Union that would take his country further into the Western orbit when, suddenly, under ferocious pressure from Putin and with the promise of $15 billion in loans and cheap gas, Yanukovych walked away from the European deal.

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In the delicate efforts to stabilize Ukraine that lie ahead, shale gas will not be very important over the short term. The country is on the verge of bankruptcy. A sovereign default “would be shocking,” says Thomas Blau of the European Council on Foreign Relations.

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But over the medium term, uncovering and exploiting Ukraine’s energy resources will be vital if it wants to get back on its feet. Putin has jerked the country around like a yo-yo over the last decade, cutting off its gas supplies in 2006 and 2009 to drive hard bargains. The Ukraine had no choice but to pay up or shut up—or both. The Russian deals corrupted one top official after another. And Moscow’s ruthlessness even served to intimidate the powerhouses of Western Europe, which had come to depend on Russian gas delivered by the pipelines crossing Ukraine.

The strategic implications if the Russian lock on those markets is broken are lost on no one, least of all Putin.

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Already, the fracking revolution in the United States threatens Russian dominance on several fronts.

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Moscow tried hard to downplay the challenge. Just a year ago, Alexei Miller, chairman of the Russian energy behemoth Gazprom, said he thought the American shale gas production was “unprofitable” and the boom in the United States would prove to be a “bubble.”

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As an article on “the geopolitical consequences of the shale revolution” in the current issue of Foreign Affairs points out, of all the governments hit hard by the new American power in energy markets, “Moscow has the most to lose.” Even if American LNG exports don’t completely free the Europeans from dependence on Russian supplies, Gazprom’s customers will gain leverage when they negotiate their deals. And if they can tap into their own gas fields, all bets are off.

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Last Christmas, the Russians signed a deal with the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad staking their claim to the gas that may lie off his shores. (Just one of the many reasons they want to keep him in power.)

morbo je 21. dec 2016 ob 08:33 izjavil:

Slišim da so Ukropi neki drezali pri Deblcevu in si polomili zobe.

Glede na vedno bolj katastrofalno stanje Ukrajinskega gospodarstva, pričakujem da bo Kijevski režim spet zanetil konflikt. Dokler vsi boja sposobni moški ne zbežijo delat na črno v Poljsko :)

Ukrajini ta konflikt samo škodi. Rusiji pa ustreza za odvračanje domačih problemov. Tako da, že spet mimo, morbo, kot vedno do sedaj.

morbo je 21. dec 2016 ob 11:16 izjavil:

Samuel je 21. dec 2016 ob 09:23 izjavil:

Ukrajini ta konflikt samo škodi.

Povej to oblastem v Kijevu, ker se tega ne zavedajo. Ukrajinskim državljanom 100% škodi, elitam na oblasti pa niti ne, dokler lahko še plenijo državo. Ukrajina je še ena lutka, kateri je bilo obljubljeno da bo postala članica uglednih zahodnih klubov, dobili pa so le opustošeno državo in poligon za ZDA vojaške igrice proti Rusiji.

Dobili so razrušeno državo zaradi pritlehne in dobro organizirane ruske agresije. Hoteli so se rešiti ruskega nazadnjaškega jarma in se pridružit zahodnim integracijam. Kakšna napaka!! Pod Rusijo nihče ne prosperira. NIHČE!

Ukrajinci imajo sedaj zelo dobro razpucano. Rusov nočejo več.

Marsikdo ima sam s sabo probleme, med drugim tudi Rusija. Muslimanska populacija jim rapidno raste, borcev ruske nacionalnosti ISISa je tudi visoko. Dejansko je edini razlog zakaj bi sam osebno zagovarjal Putina ravno strah pred islamizacijo Rusije. Tega šita nam pa res ni treba.

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Nihče noče Ukrajinskega gospodarstva, niti za bakšiš

Flagship Ukraine privatization flops as plant attracts no bids

A second attempt to auction Ukraine's state-owned Odessa Portside Plant failed to attract any bids, the State Property Fund said on Wednesday - a major setback for the country's Western-backed push for privatization and reform.
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Analysts said investors were deterred in part by the plant's debt of over $200 million owed to exiled tycoon Dmytro Firtash and an ownership dispute with a Ukrainian group controlled by billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky.

The continued influence of powerful vested interests in politics and business, and weak rule of law, are repeatedly cited as key obstacles on Ukraine's path to reform.

Ej, glavno da je na oblasti proti-ruski režim, pa četudi bodo ukrajinci kmalu jedli le skorjo, ko Poroš in kompanija oplenijo vse kar se da. Medtem kijev izvaja slepilne manevre, kot je bil ta v Debalcevu, da ima ukro pleb kaj debatirati po netu.

Dobrovoljac se pritožuje da Poroš ne da niti za sanitetna vozila, in da morajo svoje mrtve ter ranjene vozit v osebnih avtomobilih. jeba

https://twitter.com/RutheniaRus/status/...

Ruska parlamentarna stranka ( Rodina (political party) @ Wikipedia ) z zanimivimi povezavami z združeno rusijo je organizirala razpravo, kjer je govorec dejal, da za Ukrajino obstajata samo 2 scenarija

1) Aneksija in likvidacija par mio ljudi

2) Razparceliranje. Vzhod aneksirajo, center deukrainizirajo in agrikultizirajo, zahod dobi Poljska.



Rusizem je živ, zdrav in iz omare.

Down the rabbit hole..

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0...

"Izborsky club" - a community of well-known experts (mostly conservative wing [1] ), specializing in the study of external and internal policy of Russia .

The club was founded by a group of Russian intellectuals in September 2012

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It comprises the ultraconservative wing supporters of Russian President Vladimir Putin [3] .

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Offsite meeting of the club took place in Transnistria, Syria, Serbia, China, Iran and other countries.

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In 2015, the organization received a presidential grant for non-profit organizations in the amount of 10 million rubles. The project description states that the organization will try to explain "what is Russian world"

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The organization has considerable financial resources and ties to the Kremlin, at its meeting attended by Russian Culture Minister Vladimir Medina, governors and presidents of many areas of the national republics (Yakutia, Dagestan, Chechnya). It is believed that "Izborsky club" reflects the views of the conservative part of the Russian elite [7] .

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n May of 2015 by order of Izborsk Club was made "Reigning Icon of the Mother of God," which, along with Joseph Stalin, the Soviet marshals were depicted. The presentation took place in the course of awarding literary prize "Prokhorovka field" in the Belgorod region . Prokhanov Soviet historical figure compared with Moses , and Mao Zedong , calling it a victorious leader, a leader with the victory flag . Belgorod archdiocese disown involvement in the worship at the Prokhorovka field and opposed the definition of the image as an icon, as appearing on her people were not canonized [10] .

https://twitter.com/MaxRTucker/status/8...

Russia state TV asked me to take part in a propaganda operation. I recorded their call. Listen here:

https://soundcloud.com/max-tucker-1/rus...

Zelo amatersko so ga želeli sprehajat, ampak ni šel na led.

TL;DL

Kot kaže imajo inkrimatorne prisluhe/posnetke Porošenka in potrebujejo patsija, ki bi trdil, da so njegovi.

Amaterska izvedba in zelo podoben scenarij kot pri hacku Podeste, omenil sem ga v temi o ZDA.

kaj naj bi te slike pomenile?

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# Contrary to 1000 days
# Victims Poroshenko IGOS Depot
# Poroshenko, you are dreaming? Burn in hell!

Čisto v redu Canon. Ne vem, kaj je narobe??
Moja ga ima, ga jako pohvali.

Pac-Man je 5. jan 2017 ob 21:16 izjavil:

Ukrajinsko cyber zavezništvo (ali kdo drug ;)) je vlomilo v UAV enoto LNR.

https://twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/sta...

Par najboljših tvitov v nizu

UCA (Ukraine Cyber Alliance) breached account of head of intelligence of 2nd #Luhansk Army Corp of People's Militia.

#Russian army UAV Orlan-10 is so primitive platform is uses Canon PowerShoot AS-series point-&-shoot cameras for intelligence gathering

This UI of #Russian army UAV Orlan-10 C&C & comms software is just priceless.

Russian army UAV units operate 3 types of UAVs 1 Takhion (Тахион (БПЛА)) 2 Eleron-3 (Элерон-3) 3 Olran-10 (Орлан-10)

#Russian army in battle for 🇺🇦 #Debaltseve, in August 2014, actively deployed all 3 types UAVs.

By end of 2014 🇷🇺 army formed in 🇺🇦 #Luhansk 3 UAV army units, /w total 12 UAVs: 4 Orlan-10 4 Eleron-3 2 Takhion

The additionally deployed #Russian army UAVs bolstered 2nd #Luhansk Army Corp of People's Militia might to 20 UAVs.

EVERY UAV @ #Luhansk Army 2nd Corp has been DOCUMENTED by THEMSELVES as ORIGINATING from #Russia, #Novocherkassk.

Real footage of #Russian army 100th GRU RSB unit #23511 UAV Orlan-10 #10258 recce mission in #Ukraine on Jan 13 2015

7tom1ja je 8. jan 2017 ob 13:33 izjavil:

https://twitter.com/natulethka/status/8...

takole pa deluje demokracija v ukrajini

žrtve ukrajinskega obstreljevanja Donbasa, amerji bi rekli "poroshenko regime is killing its own people"

Pa se začenja (spet). Russian troops massively shelling Ukrainian city Avdiivka by rockets and artillery, Ukraine prepared to evacuate 12 000 civilians

Russian militants fire Grad rockets from Donetsk residential area. VIDEO



Mater, ti "neodvisni uporniki" so vmes zgradili tovarne za te raketne sisteme? Dobri so.