Ukrajina Part II

Zheegec je 31. jan 2017 ob 22:14 izjavil:

Pa se začenja (spet). Russian troops massively shelling Ukrainian city Avdiivka by rockets and artillery, Ukraine prepared to evacuate 12 000 civilians

Russian militants fire Grad rockets from Donetsk residential area. VIDEO

Mater, ti "neodvisni uporniki" so vmes zgradili tovarne za te raketne sisteme? Dobri so.

so ukrajinske para milice začele prve obstreljevat, ena vas v bližini donetska je brez stroma

Zheegec je 31. jan 2017 ob 22:24 izjavil:

In so šli "uporniki" hitro v trgovino po GRAD rakete, ane

čak tile niso uporniki v siriji pa so al kako ?

Zheegec je 31. jan 2017 ob 23:02 izjavil:

horsemask je 31. jan 2017 ob 22:37 izjavil:

Zheegec je 31. jan 2017 ob 22:24 izjavil:

In so šli "uporniki" hitro v trgovino po GRAD rakete, ane

čak tile niso uporniki v siriji pa so al kako ?

Ne vem, zakaj me to sprašuješ, glede na to, da Sirije nisem omenjal? V Siriji so v glavnem ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, ki nasprotujejo Assadu. Saudijci oborožujejo ISIS, Američani pa ostale islamiste. Samo res ne štekam povezave z Ukrajino?

zakaj pa pol slišim neke moderate rebels al neki ?

Rusi samo podpirajo zmerne upornike v Ukrajini, ki se upirajo klavcu Porošenku.

Givi je bivši, spet "teroristi".

https://twitter.com/fabrice_deprez/stat...

Gredo testirat novo opremo.

Pahor je spodbudil k rešitvi spora, tako da lahko zapremo temo

Malo nasploh in malo o zanesljivosti prič.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev

Just met some great Slovak journalists who set up their own newspaper after their prior paper was bought out by local oligarchs. They were able to fund-rase 100 k from their FUTURE readers BEFORE they even launched their new newspaper. I think that's a precedent. They are publishing a supplement magazine for high-school students teaching them how to identify and ignore fake news. Great idea.

They recently returned from Avdiivka (Ukraine), the center of renewed shelling by separatist locations. Said half of residents so zombified by RU TV that they believe *Right Sector* is shelling them despite seeing missiles flying from separatist territory.

Podobno izkušnjo sem imel ob raketiranju Mariupola na MMC-ju.

Vse najboljše Krimu ob jutrišnji tretji obletnici ponovne združitve z matično Rusijo!

Starodavni je 15. mar 2017 ob 18:30 izjavil:

Misliš, tretji obletnici bede življenaj pod Rusijo?

kolko vem se je krimu drastično zvišal standard življenja kot prej ko so bli pod nacisti ukrajinci

dice7 je 15. mar 2017 ob 20:34 izjavil:

Krimeja zaseda 76 mesto od 85 ruskih regij glede na standard zivljenja.

https://m.ostro.info/articles/55/?USE_D...

According to official data of the RF Ministry of Economic Development, the cost of the minimum food basket per month on average in Russia at the end of December 2015 amounted to 3 589.9 rubles. The figure is higher in Crimea and amounted to 3 698.5 rubles. It is noteworthy that the same set of products is cheaper in the Central Federal District (the capital - Moscow) than on the occupied peninsula and is 3 656.3 rubles.

According to local residents, many visitors from major Russian cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg complained that prices were "very close to those in the capital city" in Crimea. And the situation is like that on the background of weak service, infrastructure and low wages (compared to metropolitan areas of the Russian Federation).

Ne ravno spodbudno

sam še vseno bolše kot pa neka ukrajina,

sicer pa kolko sm govoril z eno ruskinjo,
sej jim standard precej zvisal z prihodom putina, tako da se jim ne zdi slab

Počakajmo še most - do konca 2018 naj bi bil končan - potem bo pa Krim absolutno in popolnoma neodvisen od Ukrajine in pa popolnoma povezan in integriran v Rusijo.

Ruski standard bi bil veliko višji in boljši če bi na oblasti bil kdo drug kot Putin in oligarhi in če bi bila korupcija močno zmanjšana.

Ne, ne bi bil. So drugi še bolj koruptivni.

Iiiii - BUM! Ode Vinča, ovaj, Balaklij u vazduh.

Rusi so v bližino Mariupola poslali povsem sveže T-72B3 M2016.

https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/statu...

These are Relikt ERA side screens (not skirts). Installed on T-72B3 starting from 2016. In February ~ two dozens put in service in 1 Tank Army. Total 32 T-72B3 M2016 produced.

Zgolj v vednost, če rudarji & traktoristi poskusijo s kakim večjim prebojem.

Pac-Man je 26. mar 2017 ob 14:25 izjavil:

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/sta...

This is what Ukraine's Euromaidan was all about - breaking away from dead end of post-Soviet authoritarianism and striving for better future

Okej, Dubaj ni ravno krasen primer protiavtoritatizma.

Ko zmanka naftice je z arabci konec

S takimi "brati" si lahko bolj malo pomagaš.

http://www.newsweek.com/ukrainian-patri...

Ukrainian Patriotism Has Halted Putin’s Ill-Conceived Invasion

Russia’s hybrid war against Ukraine is now entering its fourth year, but there was a time when few expected it to last even four weeks. The virtually bloodless seizure of Crimea, which fell to Russian troops in early 2014 without a fight, led most observers to conclude that Ukraine was effectively defenseless and at Moscow’s mercy. This was the consensus view in Moscow, where many of the bolder voices began speaking of celebrating the traditional May holidays in Kiev itself.

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The interim Ukrainian government that hastily replaced Yanukovych’s administration lacked constitutional legitimacy and was in no position to risk a military confrontation with the mighty Russian Federation. A clear window of opportunity had opened for Moscow to reassert itself in mainland Ukraine. Encouraged by the stunning success of his initial gamble in Crimea, President Vladimir Putin decided to raise the stakes and take arguably the biggest risk of his entire career. The subsequent operation that unfolded in March and April 2014 envisaged the conquest of half of Ukraine through a series of localized uprisings supported by hybrid Russian forces. These newly acquired territories were to become Novorossiya, or “New Russia.”

Leaked telephone conversations and hacked emails of senior Kremlin advisers, including Vladislav Surkov and Sergey Glazyev, have since provided considerable detail on Russia’s efforts to seize control of regional administrations in key Ukrainian cities throughout the south and east of the country, including Dnipro, Kharkiv, Kherson and Odesa.

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However, the much-feared Russian march to the Dnipro never materialized. Instead, Russian uprisings were stifled across southeast Ukraine, and the Kremlin found itself restricted to a small bridgehead within the boundaries of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in Ukraine’s easternmost borderlands.

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Why did Putin’s ambitious plans for a new empire in mainland Ukraine fall so dramatically short of expectations? Perhaps understandably, Russian planners underestimated Ukraine’s capacity to fight back. Ukraine had only 6,000 combat-ready troops available in spring 2014.

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What Moscow failed to anticipate was the wave of patriotic emotion that surged across Ukraine in the wake of Russia’s hybrid assault. Thousands of Ukrainians took up arms in the spring of 2014, forming volunteer battalions that bolstered the country’s paper-thin defenses and stopped the Russian advance in its tracks.

Behind them stood an army of civilian volunteers who provided improvised logistical support in the form of everything from food and uniforms to ammunition. This military miracle saved Ukraine and left the Kremlin in its current predicament.

It is hardly surprising that Russia failed to predict the backlash its attack would provoke. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Kremlin’s Ukraine policy had been driven by a toxic and self-defeating blend of wishful thinking and colonial condescension.

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In 2008, the Russian leader reportedly told U.S. President George W. Bush that Ukraine was “not even a country.” Over the years, Putin also repeatedly stated that Ukrainians and Russians were “one people.”

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As a new generation emerged in Ukraine with no personal experience of the shared Soviet past, Russian policymakers consistently refused to acknowledge changing tides of opinion or recognize the growing importance of Ukrainian identity. Famously, they have attributed Ukraine’s two post-Soviet popular uprisings almost exclusively to insidious Western influences, despite the decisive role played by millions of ordinary Ukrainians in both the 2004 Orange Revolution and the 2014 Euromaidan. These comforting fictions led Russia to the disastrous miscalculations of the Novorossiya campaign. Based on its own carefully curated vision of Ukraine, there was every reason to expect a warm welcome when Kremlin agents seized control of entire regions and began calling for Russian military support. When this welcome did not materialize, Russia placed the blame on a motley crew of phantom fascists, CIA agents and other international villains.

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Putin’s hybrid attack was supposed to end what many in Moscow continue to see as the aberration of Ukrainian independence. Instead, it has cemented Ukraine’s place on the European map after centuries in Russia’s shadow.

Še eno vprašanje o teh "prostovoljcih".

Po celi EU so kao "zaskrbljeni" zaradi porasta desnice.

Ampak zanimivo, pri Ukrajini jih to ne skrbi.

Kaj misliš, kateri profil bi lahko čutil izrazito željo za vstop na fronto in koliko tega je v smislu "osvobodimo Ukrajino" ( od koga ? - če jih je velika večina od folka, ki tam živi), koliko pa "Ubij, zakolji etcetc" ?

IN seveda demokratičnemu zahodu je tako zelo veliko za revne babuške, da počne vse to samo zanje

Brane22 je 20. feb 2017 ob 00:29 izjavil:

Ukrajina - "Balkan Info" ( Teša Tešanović) se je odpravil na Krim na pogovor z relativno znanim srpskim borcem, ki se je bojeval kot snajperist in ostal tam.

Domnevam, da bo mnogim zanimiv presenetljivo širok in dokaj detaljen vpogled v dogajanje in kontekst:

INTERVJU: Dejan Berić

zelo zanimivo, hvala za tole

In smešno je sploh omenjanje Timošenkove.

Po vsem tistem pokradenem denarju za plin itd je sedaj ona izvor modrosti. Da oslaih konspiratorjev ne omenjamo.

Nov intervju, če koga zanima.

Balkan Info duo se je spet odpravil na Krim, tokrat na pogovor z Zaherjem Prilepinom:

INTERVJU: Zahar Prilepin - Rusija nije na vreme shvatila šta će se desiti sa Ukrajinom! (24.04.2017)

To vse kaže, kako je pomembna globalna trgovina, da dobiš stvari, ki jih sam ne moreš proizvest, ali pa bi bila proizvodnja iz niča predraga.

Izolirane države so na veliko, veliko slabšem kot odprte in s trgovskimi tokovi prepletene.

Pac-Man je 27. apr 2017 ob 11:21 izjavil:

Sankcije šmankcije

Your point ?

Da so imeli definitivno neko škodo s tem - to je bilo že takrat očitno. So what ?

Al si mislu to, da so se širokoustili s tem, da bodo sankcije izkoristili kot vzpodbudo za lastni razvoj ?

Če je to zadnje, no ja, premaknili so se poššteno na mnogo področjih.

Če se ne motim, so temeljito vzbudili proizvodnjo hrane in v samo treh letih postali največji izvoznik pšenice na svetu. Izdelka, ki so ga prej uvažali.

Počasi premagujejo stopnico za stopnico. In z vsako stopnico se oži krog izdelkov in stroitev, ki jih potrebujejo od drugih, torej tudi od nas. Medtem ko mi podpiramo interese tam nekih skritih igralcev.

Pac-Man je 28. apr 2017 ob 20:52 izjavil:

Donetsk, 28. april 2014

Tole je imelo potencial sveže novice, dokler nisem prebral datuma.

Tri leta nazaj je bil nek del proti odcepitvi, tudi v Donetsku.
So what ?