Ukrajina Part II

joze67 je 28. avg 2015 ob 11:06 izjavil:

Ti vse verjameš - če le piše, da so naši good in Rusi bad?

Če bi se tak člančič pojavil a RT, bi bil med prvimi, ki bi se valjali po tleh od smeha.

joze67 je 28. avg 2015 ob 12:48 izjavil:

V igri sta dva članka, Forbesov in na v tem Forbesovem sklicevani. Za katerega praviš, da je odlično podprt s številnimi dokazi o ruskem vmešavanju?

joze67 je 28. avg 2015 ob 12:53 izjavil:

Aja. Vse jasno.

bleem je 31. avg 2015 ob 21:14 izjavil:

ali prihaja part III glede na zadnje dokodke v Kijevu? Me res zanima, če bodo dobili pol avtonomijo znotraj Ukrajine, če se bo nehala vojna.

Ker potem gredo vse tiste zadeve o Ruskem imperializmu v maloro.

Smrekar1 je 1. sep 2015 ob 08:34 izjavil:

Fritz je 1. sep 2015 ob 08:32 izjavil:

Da bi pa DPR ali Rusija bila kakorkoli odgovorna za to uporabo zastave (pri kateri ni nič spornega) pa lahko sklepa le zamegljen ali bolan um.

Neonacisti pač vedo kdo je na njihovi strani. Za to je odgovorna Rusija in nihče drug.

Seveda ne komentirate preveč dogodkov iz Kijeva, kjer se še enkrat pokaže, da je ukrajinska ekstremna desnica pripravljena pobijati lastne ljudi, da bi dosegla svoje cilje.

Če je bila odgovorna skrajna desnica jo je treba obsoditi. Bombo pa bi brez težav vrgel tudi ruski agent provokator z namenom destabilizirati Ukrajino. Počakajmo kaj bo pokazala preiskava, ne pa da kar obsojamo eno stran brez vsakršnih dokazov.

Smrekar1 je 1. sep 2015 ob 07:56 izjavil:

bleem je 31. avg 2015 ob 21:14 izjavil:

ali prihaja part III glede na zadnje dokodke v Kijevu? Me res zanima, če bodo dobili pol avtonomijo znotraj Ukrajine, če se bo nehala vojna.

Verjetno ne, ker so 'uporniki' že večkrat rekli, da je za njih sprejemljiva samo združitev z Rusijo. Putlerju se zaradi slabega gospodarstva, nizkih cen nafte in padajočega standarda tudi trese stolček in rabi zunanjega sovražnika.
Sicer je možno, da so sankcije v kombinaciji z nizkimi cenami nafte tako boleče, da bo še vseeno ukazal preneganje sovražnosti v zameno za prekinitev sankcij.

Ker potem gredo vse tiste zadeve o Ruskem imperializmu v maloro.

A za Krim si že slišal? Dokler se od tam ne umakne ruska vojska in se območje vrne Ukrajini z zaseženim premoženjem vred ter plača odškodnina za povzročeno škodo (davki, zaseženo premoženje, sekundarna škoda zaradi oteženega poslovanja, ...) je to klasičen primer ruskega imperializma.

Smrekar1 je 1. sep 2015 ob 08:34 izjavil:

Fritz je 1. sep 2015 ob 08:32 izjavil:

Da bi pa DPR ali Rusija bila kakorkoli odgovorna za to uporabo zastave (pri kateri ni nič spornega) pa lahko sklepa le zamegljen ali bolan um.

Neonacisti pač vedo kdo je na njihovi strani. Za to je odgovorna Rusija in nihče drug.

Seveda ne komentirate preveč dogodkov iz Kijeva, kjer se še enkrat pokaže, da je ukrajinska ekstremna desnica pripravljena pobijati lastne ljudi, da bi dosegla svoje cilje.

Če je bila odgovorna skrajna desnica jo je treba obsoditi. Bombo pa bi brez težav vrgel tudi ruski agent provokator z namenom destabilizirati Ukrajino. Počakajmo kaj bo pokazala preiskava, ne pa da kar obsojamo eno stran brez vsakršnih dokazov.

Smrekar1 je 1. sep 2015 ob 09:33 izjavil:

jukoz je 1. sep 2015 ob 09:28 izjavil:

Ah te famozne preiskave, ostrostrelcev iz Maidana niso našli

Kako pa naj bi jih, če so pa brž pobegnili tja iz kamor so prišli - v Rusijo. Oziroma še verjetneje v ozemlje 'upornikov', kjer se zdaj borijo proti demokraciji in svobodi.

Smrekar1 je 1. sep 2015 ob 09:55 izjavil:

Fritz je 1. sep 2015 ob 09:47 izjavil:

Pa glede ukrajinskih skrajnežev - o kako smo postali fini..sedaj je treba ugotavljati kdo je morebitni storilec ipd. česar upornikom seveda ne privoščite.

Veš povedati kak primer, ko se je 'upornikom' lahko godila krivica?

Mimogrede, ukrajinska policija je že aretirala čez 20 ljudi in tudi domnevnega 'bombaša'.

The Ukrainian Interior Minister, Arsen Avakov, said some 30 people have been detained, including a Svoboda member who confessed to throwing a grenade.

A si lahko še bolj bedno pristranski?

Kaj se ti tu zdi pristranskega?

Smrekar1 je 3. sep 2015 ob 12:18 izjavil:

Fašisti so vmes že grobo prekršili premirje, njihovi ostrostrekci so ubili več civilistov.

tor2 je 3. sep 2015 ob 13:06 izjavil:

SimplyMiha je 3. sep 2015 ob 12:48 izjavil:

Smrekar1 je 3. sep 2015 ob 12:18 izjavil:

Fašisti so vmes že grobo prekršili premirje, njihovi ostrostrekci so ubili več civilistov.

Me veseli, da si končno spregledal, da tile kijevski fašisti niso nič dobrega.

Ruski ali kijevski so bili na delu ?

The Ukrainian crisis gave to Moscow a unique opportunity to annex Crimea, the independence of which had never been fully accepted by Russia after 1991. The regime change occurred in Kiev in February 2014, after Viktor Yanukovich’s running away during the night of February 21-22, brought to power a ruling elite backed by the Euro-Atlantic community, as well as leaders displaying hostile views with regard to Russia.

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Crimea and Sebastopol’s annexation fundamentally overthrows the strategic balance of the Black Sea, allowing Russia to solve at virtually no military cost a set of security issues inherited from the strategic context born from collapse of the USSR.

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The enlargement of the Euro-Atlantic community to Bulgaria and Romania in 2004, as well as an increasing American influence in the Caucasus and in the Caspian basin also led to the diminishment of Russia’s influence in what Moscow considers as its ‘sphere of privileged interests’.

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The integration of Crimea into the Southern military district could be the first step toward the creation of a ‘Southern strategic bastion’, which would be a southern version of the already existing ‘Northern strategic bastion’, featuring capacities adapted to the Black Sea-Mediterranean strategic context and to raising security issues on Russia’s southern flank.

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With a maximum of 10 meters depth, the Sea of Azov is shallow and its waters freeze during winter. However, after the 2008 Russia-Georgia conflict, Moscow extended its Black Sea maritime interface though the establishment of a military protectorate over Abkhazia, and subsequently gained nearly 200 km of additional shores in the pontus euxinus.

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When the USSR collapsed, Ukraine kept the most important ports, including those of Nikolayev, Odessa, Kherson and Sevastopol, as well as the longest part of the ex-Soviet Black Sea coastline and continental shelf. The maritime interface retained by Russia in the Black Sea do not host any ports with capacities to replace those of Nikolayev or Kherson (as naval shipyards) on the one hand, and those of Sevastopol (as the main maintenance port and the headquarter of the Black Sea Fleet) on the other hand. Novorossiysk being an exception, none of Black Sea Russian ports can host several vessels of high tonnage: from the 26 ports and naval bases the USSR had in the Black Sea in 1991, 19 were left in Ukraine, 4 remained in Russia whereas 3 fell under Georgian jurisdiction.

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Ukraine’s independence unlocked the Sea of Azov which was a Russian domestic sea since the 1783 annexation of Crimea to the Russian Empire by Catherin the Great. The thorny question of the potential opening of the Kerch Strait to the international shipping, and the subsequent internationalization of the Azov Sea’s waters, featured among the long list of issues which strained Russia-Ukraine relations after 1991.

Through the annexation of Crimea, Russia recovers the full sovereignty over the best coasts and the best port, Sevastopol, of the Black Sea basin. In absorbing the peninsula, Moscow retrieves nearly 1 000 km of additional coasts, including ports such as Feodossia and Kerch, which are larger and more interesting than Russian ports in the Black Sea, Novorossiysk being the exception.

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In increasing noticeably its strategic and maritime potential in the wider Black Sea region, the annexation of Crimea is a fundamental game changer for Russia. Through Crimea’s annexation, Moscow has furthermore taken the full control over the Kerch Strait, and has subsequently virtually turned the Sea of Azov into interior waters, despite the fact that Ukraine still retains there 400 km of coasts.

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Finally, Russia recovers the Crimean continental shelf and its natural resources, including the Pallas gas and oil field located in the Black Sea, off the Kerch Strait: this field is believed to have 12,2 millions of tons of crude oil and 120,7 billion cubic meters of natural gas, and will probably play a role in the energetic supply of Crimea.

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The integration of Crimea into the Russian Federation, and the unilateral termination by Vladimir Putin on April 2, 2014, of the bilateral agreements of 1997 and 2010, paved the way to an increased Russian military presence in Crimea and to the “fortification” of the peninsula.

Pac-Man je 4. sep 2015 ob 01:06 izjavil:

Ruski strokovni članek o aneksiji Krima. Brez fašistov in ostalega populizma se vse skupaj bere hladno, preračunljivo in načrtovano.

Brane22 je 7. sep 2015 ob 09:38 izjavil:

Zanimivo, kako je ene dvakrat matiral Kasparova. Ta je začel z belimi figurami in najavo revolucije, končal pa v priporu.

Brane22 je 7. sep 2015 ob 12:30 izjavil:

Kako da Rusi niso izdali Putina ?

In tudi čudna je ta šahovska ocena po izgubljeni partiji in preslabih figurah na šahovnici, da je kljub vsemu "imel prav". Kako to, če so ga sesuli ? Obstaja po novih šahoivskih pravilih tudi kak institut moralne zmage ali kaj podobnega ?