Ukrajina Part II

ohnowhy je 10. mar 2015 ob 09:48 izjavil:

Matako je 10. mar 2015 ob 09:33 izjavil:

To so že poizkusili. Imenovalo se je "hladna vojna", butast izraz. Končalo se je s popolnim gospodarskim in moralnim propadom Rusije - ne da bi se kaj naučili iz tega, očitno.

Ne samo Rusije, celotne Sovjetske zveze; s socialistično ideologijo vred.

Samo Rusije. Prej nasilno okupirana ozemlja SZ so sedaj bistveno na boljšem - nihče ne želi Rusov nazaj, razen nekaterih Rusov v teh državah, seveda.

Res se je dva različna pristopa dalo videti že pred meseci, kar je bolj zanimivo je, da se zadeve ne da rešiti niti po diplomatskih kanalih, da se konflikta interesov ne da (potihem) premostiti in da bo zadeva postala javna. Nemčija zunanjepolitično prvič zavija v drugo smer, zanimivo je, če in kakšna bo kolateralna škoda in ali se bo videla tudi skozi politiko EU (recimo ali bi to lahko oviralo sprejem TTIP).

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor...

7tom1ja je 9. mar 2015 ob 17:37 izjavil:

No coup, no russian Crimea.

Zanimivo se mi zdi kako lahkotno se predstavlja Janukovičev odhod iz Ukrajine kot državni udar. Zgodila se je pa zgolj legalna sprememba ustave, ki jo je Janukovič podpisal in takoj za tem ucvrl iz države. Po novi ustavi so ga legitimno odstranili iz položaja in razpisali nove volitve.
Je sprememba oblasti, zaradi bojkota je bila legalnost tudi vprašljiva, nikakor pa ni pa državni udar.

Saj ne da je to še vedno ukrajinska notranja zadeva, v katero se Rusija nima nobene pravice vpletetati.

Kako se reče pa temu?

GTX970 je 11. mar 2015 ob 09:58 izjavil:

Merkelca dosedaj uspešno preprečuje Obami da bi to storil.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201...

Izrazito puhloglava poteza Merklove. K sreči ga lahko kvječemu prepričuje in oteži, preprečiti mu tega ne more. Poljska je menda tudi začela oboroževati ukrajinsko vojsko. Vojne v Ukrajini bo konec le v primeru, da bo Putlerjev prestol ogrožen zaradi številnih žrtev njegovih vojakov. Prej nikakor ne.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/us/po...
MARCH 10, 2015

As American intelligence agencies have detected new Russian tanks and artillery crossing the border into Ukraine in recent days, President Obama is coming under increasing pressure from both parties and more officials inside his own government to send arms to the country. But he remains unconvinced that they would help.

V Ukrajino bi bilo potrebno poslati protitankovske rakete (TOW so super, ker so dovolj močne za ruske konzerve in hkrati dovolj stare, da ni problem če jih nekaj zasežejo), protiletalsko obrambo, balistične rakete, ki iz Odese lahko dosežejo Sevastopol (te je treba bolj Ukrajini financirati) in protiladijske rakete, ki se jih da namontirati na ukrajinske Mige. To je najboljši način kako invazijo Ukrajine narediti enostavno predrago, da bi si jo Putler lahko privoščil.

Ali je to ista agencija, ki je našla WMD v Iraku. Samo vprašam, ker se ne spoznam na zadevo

A ni zanimivo, da je Nemetzova ubil pribočnik Ramzana Kadirova in to, čisto tako - za špas, brez razloga?

ZaphodBB je 11. mar 2015 ob 10:46 izjavil:

A ni zanimivo, da je Nemetzova ubil pribočnik Ramzana Kadirova in to, čisto tako - za špas, brez razloga?

In to je priznal šele po temeljitem mučenju.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31...

Zjutraj sem pogooglal "Is Merkel the new Chamberlain" - in edini viri, ki trdijo da ni - so Ruski.

Na bazi te strokovne raziskave sem se odločil, da Merklca je novi Chambelain in da je edina možnost, ki jo imamo bolj ali manj frontalna ofenziva na Rusijo.

To je samo propaganda.

Je pa potrebno občudovati srčnost teh mladih ruskih fantov, štirideset tisoč se jih je javilo za prostovoljni dopust v Ukrajini. Ljubezen brez primere v zgodovini!

...še ukrajinska poročila in malo boljši posnetek stolčenih saxonov:

Daedalus je 11. mar 2015 ob 19:11 izjavil:

Očitno bo res taktika izčrpavanja ruskih zalog in gospodarstva ustrezna. Enkrat so že izgubili tekmo na tak način, tokrat pa jo še bodo.

Ja, za Angleže in Francoze se je ta taktika po prvi svetovni dobro obnesla.

Daedalus je 11. mar 2015 ob 19:45 izjavil:

Si le končno priznal da je na drugi strani država z zelo podobnimi težnjami, kot jih je svoj čas izkazovala Nemčija. Je končno jasno, kdo je troublemaker in kdo ne?

Če si to potegnil iz mojega posta si ga razumel narobe.
Putin ima podobne težnje kot Hitler;kaj to pomeni želi podjarmiti celo zemljo, narediti lebensraum za Ruse ?

Putlerja?

Američani so začeli z dobavami orožja Ukrajincem. Jp, je treba pohiteti, da se premirje slučajno ne bi prijelo.

Litvinenko ni bil edini, ki so ga pospravili z radioaktivnim strupom. Isto metodo so zelo zelo verjetno uporabili vsaj še na novinarju/poslancu dume, ki je preiskoval stanovanjske bombe iz l. 1999 in čečenskemu vojskovodji, ki je prestajal kazen v ruskem zaporu. Vprašanje je samo ali so uporabili polonij ali talij.

Tole je od danes:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m...

The rare radioactive substance used to poison Alexander Litvinenko in London could only have come from Russia, a world-leading expert has told the inquiry into the former spy’s murder.
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Dombey said the quantity used to kill Litvinenko – he swallowed an astonishing 26.5 microgrammes – was exceptionally large. All other countries, including the US and UK, stopped making polonium in the 1970s. Avangard was the last remaining source of commercial polonium, with no other nuclear facility capable of making sufficient quantities.
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“It was meant to be a mysterious poisoning because polonium is an alpha-emitter which a Geiger counter doesn’t pick up.”
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Dombey said that, given polonium’s short half life of 138 days, the poison would probably have been produced a “couple of months” before Litvinenko’s poisoning.

Pote je tukaj primer Jurija Ščekočikina

Yuri Shchekochikhin @ Wikipedia

Yuri Petrovich Shchekochikhin (9 June 1950, Kirovabad – 3 July 2003, Moscow) was a Russian investigative journalist, writer, and liberal lawmaker in the Russian parliament. Shchekochikhin made his name writing about and campaigning against the influence of organized crime and corruption. His last non-fiction book was about people who worked as KGB informers.

As a journalist for the newspaper Novaya Gazeta, he investigated Russian apartment bombings allegedly directed by the Russian secret services and Three Whales Corruption Scandal which involved high-ranking FSB officers and was related to money laundering through the Bank of New York.

He died suddenly in July 2003 from a mysterious illness, just a few days before his scheduled departure to the United States where he planned to meet with FBI investigators. His medical documents ended up "classified" by the Russian authorities.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/200...

Shchekochikhin fell ill suddenly during a trip to Ryazan to meet members of the local anti-corruption committee. With the journalist on that trip was Kabanov, of the Russian Anti-Corruption Committee.
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"After that his family and colleagues told me he'd been admitted to the hospital. His fever became extremely high. ... He lost consciousness. All his internal organs began collapsing one by one. Then almost all of his skin was severely damaged. Then he lost almost all his hair. Finally, he fell into a coma. He died within about two weeks ... on 3 July."

During the trip to Ryazan, Kabanov had noticed the journalist taking some large pills.

"He told me the medication was prescribed for him by a doctor at the Central Clinical Hospital, also known as 'the Kremlin hospital,' which caters to state officials," Kabanov said.

Shchekochikhin was taken to the same clinic after falling ill.

"Yury was assigned to the clinic as a lawmaker of the State Duma," Kabanov said. "The clinic is part of the presidential administration and all its activities are monitored by the [Federal Security Service]," Russia's secret police.

In Lecha Islamova

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/arti...

Chechen rebel warlord Lecha Islamov has died in a Volgograd prison hospital in what his relatives say is a case of deliberate food poisoning. He was 42 or 43.

Islamov, who died Wednesday, was sentenced last June to nine years in prison on charges of hostage-taking and organizing an illegal armed formation, and was being transferred to a new prison when he fell ill.
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Islamov's lawyer told Kommersant that Islamov could not speak or move and that his hair began falling out and his skin began peeling. In the end, his heart and kidneys failed, the lawyer said.

Sumljiv je še Roman Tsepov, ampak na hitro ne najdem več detajlov

Roman Tsepov @ Wikipedia

Roman Igorevich Tsepov (July 22, 1962, Kolpino, Leningrad Oblast, USSR – September 24, 2004, Saint-Petersburg) was a Saint Petersburg businessman and confidant to Vladimir Putin during Putin's work at the Saint Petersburg City Administration. Born Belinson, Tsepov changed his surname upon marriage to Tsepova. Tsepov was suspected of criminal and corruption activity.
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Tsepov fell sick on September 11, 2004, and died on September 24. A postmortem investigation found a poisoning by an unspecified radioactive material. He had symptoms similar to Aleksandr Litvinenko.

in še en iz sovjetske zgodovine

Nikolai Khokhlov @ Wikipedia

Nikolai Evgenievich Khokhlov (7 June 1922, Nizhny Novgorod - September 2007 San Bernardino, California) was a KGB officer who defected to the United States in 1953. He testified about KGB activities. The KGB tried to kill him unsuccessfully using poison.
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Khokhlov was treated for thallium poisoning in Frankfurt in 1957, as a result of a failed assassination attempt by the Thirteenth Department of the KGB. This case is often claimed to be the first radiological attack by the KGB, especially when comparison with Alexander Litvinenko poisoning needs to be drawn, although it remains unclear what isotope was used, if any. Former KGB officer Stanislav Lekarev claimed, however, that Khokhlov was poisoned by radioactive polonium (not thallium), exactly as Litvinenko was.

Fritz je 11. mar 2015 ob 23:04 izjavil:

Aja, pa Rusi so se umaknili iz programa CFE, ki je ob Dunajskem dokumentu bil eden temeljnih programov za omejitev kovencionalne oborožitve, transparentnost bojnih sposobnosti držav in graditvi zaupanja med državami, v okviru prehoda iz hladne vojne s stalno grozečim konfliktom k dolgoročnemu miru. Ti okvirji se rušijo in Evropa počasi drsi v zelo nevarno področje notranje in zunanje nestabilnosti.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015031...

Kot kaže bo vse enako kot pred letom 90, le, da so se amerji pomaknili precej bolj vzhodno

Kot kaže bo vse enako kot pred letom 90, le, da so se amerji pomaknili precej bolj vzhodno

Pa Rusi bodo imeli še manj za jest.

Vanich je 12. mar 2015 ob 07:40 izjavil:

USA Today: "Volunteer Ukrainian unit includes Nazis"

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis...

A ni fino, da se neonaciji pobijajo med sabo?

Fritz je 11. mar 2015 ob 22:35 izjavil:

Putlerja?

Mešanica priimkov Putin in Hitler, saj sta po vedenju zelo podobna.

Američani so začeli z dobavami orožja Ukrajincem. Jp, je treba pohiteti, da se premirje slučajno ne bi prijelo.

"Uporniki" so premirje razglasili za neveljavno približno 6 ur po začetku. Neoboroževanje Ukrajine je na tem mestu postalo že nehigienično.

Naciji se morda pobijajo med sabo po frontah, medtem pa se politiki stranke regij (prejšnja garnitura na oblasti) "samomorijo" kot po tekočem traku:
http://tass.ru/en/world/782399

Vanich je 13. mar 2015 ob 11:21 izjavil:

windigo je 13. mar 2015 ob 09:20 izjavil:

Naciji se morda pobijajo med sabo po frontah, medtem pa se politiki stranke regij (prejšnja garnitura na oblasti) "samomorijo" kot po tekočem traku:
http://tass.ru/en/world/782399

Jap. Zadnji je storil "samomor" - z strelom v vrat. Medicinska forenzika takega primera sicer še ni zasledila, vendar so v Zahodni Demokratični Ukrajini zgleda napredni tudi na tem področju.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news...

Jaz predlagam, da Porošenko osebno prevzame preiskavo teh primerov in z uporabo vseh sredstev doseže čimhitrejšo razjasnitev teh smrti.

Vanich je 13. mar 2015 ob 14:54 izjavil:

Lista "demokratičnih samomorov" porošenkovih političnih oponentov, se nadaljuje:

January 26th: Mykola Serhiyenko, former Ukrzaliznytsia boss appointed by Yanukovich's PM Azarov. "Shot himself with a rifle"
January 29th: Oleksiy Kolesnyk, Kharkiv regional government head. "Hanged himself"
February 25th: Sergey Walter, Party of Regions mayor of Melitopol. "Hanged himself"
February 26th: Oleksandr Bordyuh, chief police deputy of Melitopol. "Hanged himself"
February 28th: Mykhaylo Chechetov, deputy chairman of Party of Regions. "Jumped from his apartment window"
March 10th: Stanislav Melnik, Party of Regions deputy. "Shot himself with a rifle"
March 12th: Oleksandr Peklushenko, former Party of Regions governor of Zaporizhia. "Shot himself with a rifle"

Očitno so kvizlingi sprevideli v kakšno sranje so spravili svojo državo in se s tem ne morejo sprijazniti.

13.75$MM od 17.5 miljard. Če bi lahko dali manj, bi dali manj.

Humanitarni konvoji pomoči. Haha.

Putin je navaden lažnivec, ki farba tudi naše rusofile. Ker zgleda, da nima veza kaj reče mu bodo vedno sledil.

russian secret war

Šejn Smit bo verjetno pravi naslov.

Včasih ob takih z pametjo skreganih ruskih zgodbicah človek posumi , da testirajo koliko njihovega dreka je folk še pripravljen nekritično požreti.

Zaenkrat jim gre dobro.