Protesti in spopadi v Ukrajini ter Krimska kriza

Cold1 je 4. sep 2014 ob 23:47 izjavil:

nakar bi se Ukrajinci že sami (brez ameriških prišepetovalcev) domenili kako in kaj.

Vajenc je 5. sep 2014 ob 11:20 izjavil:

Vse gre res v smer velikega svetovnega konflikta, ampak povej mi eno državo poleg S.Koreje, ki ne prakticira turbo kapitalizma? Povsod se večina denarja in skoraj uzakonjenega eksponentnega dobička steka redkim izbrancem, ki z močjo kapitala vplivajo na vse odločitve v državi.

Tarzan je 5. sep 2014 ob 11:03 izjavil:

Za totalno dekadenco kapitalizma, ki je povsem zblaznel je kriv v prvi vrsti padec Sovjetske zveze, ki je bila alternativa bipolarnega sistema. Ko je kapitalizem dobil monopol, je šlo tudi vse kar je bilo do takrat v njemu dobrega k vragu.

Sicer za dalj od osemdesetih ne morem iz prve roke... ampak takrat je bil "kapitalizem" precej podoben današnjemu, modulo japiji v stilu filma Wall Street - no to so ti bili tapravi norci! Takih blaznežev recimo ni več. Tako da ne vem kaj vse to vreščanje, kaka muka je življenje danes v primerjavi z včeraj. Ampak ok, resnica je v očeh opazovalca. Tako da mogoče samo nisem bil pozoren. :D

B86Tech je 5. sep 2014 ob 12:47 izjavil:

Mene pa bolj zanima kaj točno mate od tega tisti k ste bolj za Rusko oz ZDA-EU stran ?

Smrekar1 je 5. sep 2014 ob 13:56 izjavil:

Invictus je 5. sep 2014 ob 13:55 izjavil:

EU ali NATO je približno isto sranje.

Vse države ki so v EU, so tudi v NATO.

Pa izpelji sam ...

Kdaj se je pridružila Finska? Očitno sem nekaj zgrešil!

Mark Sleboda



"Winning" Ukraine

No, Putin is NOT "winning" in the Ukraine, the US has already done that a long time ago. No matter what happens now the US's primary geopolitical goal of crippling Russia's Eurasian Union and preventing the re-regionalization of the post-Soviet space, via excising Ukraine, are met, whether that means an anti-Russian Banderite Ukraine firmly in the West's geopolitical orbit (Plan A), or a wartorn, split, and economically devastated Ukraine (Plan B), its all good for them. The US certainly doesn't care about the Ukraine for its own sake, nor its people. They have also successfully driven a huge and potentially long-lasting wedge between Russian-European relations. Win-win for team USA.


Putin lost the Ukraine and worse the minds and historical memory of the Ukrainian nation to the US's memetic war and Maidan Putsch in Kiev. An evolution of Color Revolution 3.0, or "unconventional warfare" per the US military manuals of the same name, exploiting existing social, ethnic, religious, and political tensions to turn a people against their own government and into a weapon of US foreign policy interests. The West has successfully turned much of the Ukrainian people against Russia perhaps for the long term. Russia is fighting a covert tactical war (now being called "hybrid warfare", but Russia is just a later adaptor to US playbook). The West is fighting a post-Modern memetic one ("Unconventional warfare" a mixture of aggressive soft and covert power). ?#?WinningHeartsandMinds?

Now Putin is doing damage control. He's winning the aftermath, a rearguard action, tactically (rather skillfully) and salvaging what he can in the areas of the Ukraine still most "Russian" and resistant to US influence. Even if the West-backed regime in Kiev collapses from economic inevitabilities, Nazi-oligarch-neoliberal in-fighting, the domestic unrest as the cost of defeat in the battlefield, or likely a combination of all three, it will still be a very pyrrhic "Victory" for Putin. Strategically, geopolitically, and possibly in the long term, it is a huge defeat for Russia. The Kremlin took its eye off the ball, na?vely trusted (and underestimated) the West as a "partner", and lost sight of the big picture, a true clash of civilizations. Lets hope this bitter loss causes some lessons to finally be learned in the Kremlin.

"Longer term, the situation looks worse for Putin. Russia may have already lost the Ukrainian people; as recently as 2011 84% of the population held a favorable view of Russia with only 11% holding a negative one. As of a few months ago, 60% of Ukrainians viewed Russia badly with only 35% having a positive view. Considering that Ukraine is the birthplace of Russian civilization, Putin looks to have lost the PR war [read: memetic war]."

Last month's shoot down of Malaysia Air Flight 17 over Ukraine has made clear to just about everyone -- certainly to President Obama and even to some of Western Europe's most feckless leaders -- what should have been obvious a long time ago: Russian President Vladimir Putin is a serious threat to world peace.

Double_J je 6. sep 2014 ob 01:29 izjavil:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/...

Kaj praviš na tale članek bpbpbp?

DarkSite je 6. sep 2014 ob 20:04 izjavil:

Ne vem točno kaj bo ta mir prinesel. Namreč Rusija je dobila to kar si je želela. Nestabilno UA, ki ne more iti niti v EU, Nato, ker nima določenih mej. Nek podoben status kot ima Moldavija z Transnistrijo in Georgia z Abkhazia, Osetijo.

UA bo želela urediti status čimprej a teroristi pa bodo vedno želeli samostojnost. Torej v neki točki bo slej kot prej prišlo spet do konflikta.

Double_J je 6. sep 2014 ob 20:57 izjavil:

Sej to je taktika s strani Rusije. Če ne more obvladovati cele države, potem ukrade nek košček, tako da ima država nerešeno vprašanje meja, s tem pa je talka pri pogajanjih za vstop v EU in NATO.

Samo tudi za to bo pač potrebno v prihodnosti iznajti neko rešitev, ker ne morejo sedaj biti te države v nedogled talke. Ubistvu sta dve možnosti, ali država zahteva NATO intervencijo s katero prevzame kontrolo nad temi regijami, druga možnost pa je, da se pač odpove temu ozemlju in potem nima več teh problemov.