SESTAVLJALNICA: Procesor (i5/i7) + Matična = cca. 300€

ECC se uporablja za serverje:
ECC memory @ Wikipedia

775 je bil kar nekaj let, 478 tudi, sedaj pa so v dobrih 3 letih, pri intelu nametali 4 socket-e - 1366, 1156 (oba živa komaj 2 leti), 1155 in 2011, katera naj bi živela malo dlje, kar pa seveda pri računalništvu ni sigurno. 2011 naj bi razvijali v profesionalno smer, 1155, pa naj bi zaenkrat bil za splošno uporabo.

54j0 je 19. jun 2012 ob 11:03 izjavil:

Še moje mnenje... Si oseba, ki očitno dolgo uporablja isti računalnik, torej želiš od njega čimveč in to čimdlje. i5 3550 je za moje pojme, za tako osebo, zgrešen procesor. Za podobnov (nižjo) ceno dobiš i5 2500K, ki je odklenjen in s hladilnikom za 30€ brez težav doseže 4,5 GHz (i5 3550 ni odklenjen). PCIe 3.0, ki je edina prednost i5 3550 pred 2500K, ti ne bo koristil, če ne boš v računalnik vgradil kartico za 1000€ (gtx 690).

Priporočam:
-matična plošča z enim od teh chipsetov: z77, h68, p67
-procesor i5 2500K (ali dražji novinec 3570K)
-osem Gb kateregakoli 1600MHz ram-a

Hvala za mnenje.
Čeprav me bega par stvari:
—2500k spada v prejšnjo generacijo
—navijanje. Nevem, po moji lajični logiki se mu z navijanjem življenjska doba hitro lahko skrajša, kar pa je na dolgi rok lahko še slabše kot 3550. Ker pač, če bi bilo to tako brezmadežno, bi ga že pri intlu naštelali na 4.5GHz, ga v box zapakirali z malo boljšim hladilnikom in to je to. Ni tako? :)

Sicer pa, če se omejim na igre (ker za drugo ni potrebno imet zmogljivejšega procesorja) — kako dolgo bo še zmožen poganjati novejše igre? V kolkem času bodo igre potrebovale več kot 4x3.3GHz? Al jih že?

Drugače pa ja. Kupujem za dolgo. Amd athlon 64 3800 sem imel 5let :P

Zakaj bi tisti prodajalec prodajal 2500k, če se ga že da tako lepo naviti, kot pravite... Malo sem skeptičen. Mislim da navijal ne bom.:)

Ker pač, če bi bilo to tako brezmadežno, bi ga že pri intlu naštelali na 4.5GHz, ga v box zapakirali z malo boljšim hladilnikom in to je to

S tem se precej strinjam.

Rabljenga K serijo pa ta moment (tako zgodaj) sploh ne bi kupoval, ker je precej velika verjetnost, da z njim ni povsem ok. Malo kdo bo ze sedaj prodajal tak proc, ce res vredu deluje. Vecja je verjetnost, da je zapecen, ali pa da z njim ni dobil zeljenih frekvenc pri navijanju. Izjema je seveda, da ima res nizko ceno od kakega znanca (ki te ne bo nategnil). V kolikor ne mislis navijati kupis 3550 ali 2500, pa naj navijajo tisti, ki to pac zelijo.

54j0 je 19. jun 2012 ob 11:03 izjavil:

Še moje mnenje... Si oseba, ki očitno dolgo uporablja isti računalnik, torej želiš od njega čimveč in to čimdlje. i5 3550 je za moje pojme, za tako osebo, zgrešen procesor. Za podobnov (nižjo) ceno dobiš i5 2500K, ki je odklenjen in s hladilnikom za 30€ brez težav doseže 4,5 GHz (i5 3550 ni odklenjen). PCIe 3.0, ki je edina prednost i5 3550 pred 2500K, ti ne bo koristil, če ne boš v računalnik vgradil kartico za 1000€ (gtx 690).

Priporočam:
-matična plošča z enim od teh chipsetov: z77, h68, p67
-procesor i5 2500K (ali dražji novinec 3570K)
-osem Gb kateregakoli 1600MHz ram-a

Ta čipset ne obstaja in tudi če bi, verjetno nebi pustil navijanja (zato je potem K model nesmiseln)

Janac je 19. jun 2012 ob 13:13 izjavil:

tudi 3550se da naviti.

Jaz bi na tvojemmestu vzel tistega rabljenega 2500k za ene 160EUROV

heh, za par % max, vendar še s tem tvegaš nestabilnost vseh komponent..

Kljub temu da je B75, izgleda zelo konkurencna plata napram drazjim Z77. http://www.funtech.si/si/vsi-oddelki/ko... Jaz jo bom najverjetneje kupil v kombinaciji z i3 ali i5 3570k (ali 2500).

Baje B75 chipset podpira base clock do 107, kar je seveda zelo omejen OC. Pa brez moznosti navijanja rama.

Še kr to zmaga :

fr4nc je 19. jun 2012 ob 13:29 izjavil:

DoberDan je 19. jun 2012 ob 13:12 izjavil:

Drugače pa ja. Kupujem za dolgo. Amd athlon 64 3800 sem imel 5let :P

Daleč najboljša izbira če je namen, da bo dolgo:

1. Procesor AMD FX-Series FX-8120 BOX 3.1 GHz AM3+
2. Matična plošča Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 AM3+
3. RAM Crucial DDR3 8GB Kit (2x 4) PC3-12800 1600MHz CL9 BallistiX sport
= 285,16€

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DoberDan je 19. jun 2012 ob 15:40 izjavil:

Franc, zaradi česa misliš da je ta AMD boljša izbira na dolgi rok kot i5?
Bo ta socket AM3+ dlje zdržal kot 1155 ali zakaj?

Kako ja na dolgi rok z AMD in Intel procesorji? So približno enako trpežni? V čem bi bila lahko razlika?

Ogovor je enostaven... 8 jeder. Trenutni programi še ne izkoristijo toliko jeder (le nekateri), ampak v bodoče (cca. 3leta in več) bo vedno več takih programov in potem se bo pokazala prednost FX-a pred i5 IMHO.

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DoberDan je 19. jun 2012 ob 17:52 izjavil:

Hm, ker pa v tem trenutku ne izkoristijo 8jeder, je pa slabši FX?

Kaj boš delal z računalnikom - za kaj ga boš uporabljal? Če za igre pol povej kero grafično maš?

Drugače pa glede na to, kar si napisal prej:

DoberDan je 19. jun 2012 ob 13:12 izjavil:

Drugače pa ja. Kupujem za dolgo.

tukaj res ni debate...

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a ni boljse ce vzame FX-8120?

Ampak po čem lahko primerjam Amd in Intel?
FX--8150 stane 180€ in ima 8x3.6GHz
i5 3550 pa stane 201€ in ima 4x3.3GHz

Wtf? Vem da se ne more direktno primerjati teh GHz, ampak useen mi je to ful nelogično? Al je pč zmogljivost Amdja tok večja in je finta samo v tem, da je na splošno cenej Amd?

Aja, pa ta jedra in niti mi niso čist jasne.
3550 ima 4jedra in 4niti, 8150 8jeder, niti pa ni naštetih? O.o

Nej mi tole prosm nekdo zlo preprosto razloži. In kaj sploh so te niti. :)

....To, ,,da lahko opravlja več procesov naenkrat in je čim hitrejši" :P

Drgač pa, komp večinoma uporabljam za internet, photoshop, igre.

Okej,če začnem gledati AMDje, naj se osredotočim le na FX serijo? Kaj je še primerljivo aktualnega?

AMD ima načeloma "le" FX serijo procesorjev...

dejstvo 1: Intel ivy bridge Core i5-3550 @ 3.30GHz 7,648 cpu marks
dejstvo 2: Intel sandy bridge Core i5-2500K @ 3.30GHz 6,740 cpu marks

iz tega sledi, da je stock IVY 3450 17% hitrejsi od stock sandy 2500k...

evo vam test 2500k STOCK Vs 8150

pristejte 17% gor ko gledate rezultat stock 2500k ....















































vsi teksti ... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-...

pri amd ju FX 8xxx imaš 8 niti, množilnik je odklenjen za oc, tud prek FSB ja se da navit ker ni zkalenjen, plošča z FX čipsetom ima 2x 16 link za CF ali SLI ipd.... box kuler ne rabiš avtomatično menjat ipd... cena cpu ja in primerljie plošče pa je kr nekaj nižja.


še testi:

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1...

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/z...

Test od tHW jenerelevanten zarad plošče. Ta plošča dokazano zavira zmogljivosti CPU ja , pa še draga je. Gre se za CH 5 od asusa.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-...

Vzemi asrock, še cenejši je pa bo.

Kaksna bistvena razlika med GA-Z77-DS3H in drazjo GA-Z77-D3H? Je samo sound chip drugacen in vec USB zadaj?

http://www.funtech.si/si/vsi-oddelki/ko...
http://www.funtech.si/si/vsi-oddelki/ko...

Egggs.. malo prej sem narocil DS3H.

Ah sem, samo toliko podatkov, pa tudi nekaj tem sem nacel ali pa se kr vsilil notri z vprasanji (ne morem pa to delati non stop). Norocil sem preko Funtech. Glede na to, da sem narocil popoldne uro-dve pred zaprtjem, verjetno se niso nic sestavljali. Bi se splacalo poslati email, da zamenjajo z D3H? Klicanje nima smisla, ker zacnejo sele ob (wtf) 10ih. :)

btw, imas ZS, jutri oz. te dni narocam iz hoh.de, ce si iz LJ lahko dodas tisti USB kljucek

bajsibajsi je 19. jun 2012 ob 22:01 izjavil:

Ah sem, samo toliko podatkov, pa tudi nekaj tem sem nacel ali pa se kr vsilil notri z vprasanji (ne morem pa to delati non stop). Norocil sem preko Funtech. Glede na to, da sem narocil popoldne uro-dve pred zaprtjem, verjetno se niso nic sestavljali. Bi se splacalo poslati email, da zamenjajo z D3H? Klicanje nima smisla, ker zacnejo sele ob (wtf) 10ih. :)

btw, imas ZS, jutri oz. te dni narocam iz hoh.de, ce si iz LJ lahko dodas tisti USB kljucek

Ne vem kako je UD3H... ampak na tvojem mestu bi vzel Pro4.

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fr4nc je 19. jun 2012 ob 20:56 izjavil:

D3m je 19. jun 2012 ob 20:45 izjavil:

Brias, da se ti da. Bom počakal na Franca.

@Brias - kot vidim ne poznaš teme http://slo-tech.com/forum/t442779/0 poleg tega pa tisti testi niso veljavni...
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V glavnem AMDjev FX-8120 je trenutno bestbuy kar se tiče p/p.
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AMD FX-8150: The Bottom Line

In the very best-case scenario, when you can throw a ton of work at the FX and fully utilize its eight integer cores, it generally falls in between Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K—which is where it should appear all of the time given a price tag between those two most relevant competitors. Sometimes FX manages to outperform the higher-end -2600K, but other times it’s embarrassingly bested by its predecessor in threaded workload.

Sedaj pa na vsak 2500k ( stock ) primerjalni test PRISTEJTE POSTENIH 17% gor zaradi IVY3450@stock, in ste kje>>>>????


Best Gaming CPU: $100-$200
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gam...
12:00 AM - June 19, 2012 by Don Woligroski


Best Gaming CPU: $100-$200
12:00 AM - June 19, 2012 by Don Woligroski

Best Gaming CPU for $110: None
Honorable Mention: FX-4100
Codename: Zambezi
Process: 32 nm
CPU Cores: 4
Clock Speed (Max. Turbo): 3.6 GHz (3.8 GHz)
Socket: AM3+
L2 Cache: 4 x 1 MB
L3 Cache: 8 MB
HyperTransport: 4000 MT/s
Thermal Envelope: 95 W

At its stock clock rate, AMD's FX-4100 isn't a particularly compelling gaming product compared to lower-priced options from Intel. However, enthusiasts are sure to appreciate its unlocked ratio multiplier and plenty of headroom to overclock. When it's pushed, this processor helps enable similar frame rates as some of our favorite Core i3 CPUs, though it uses significantly more power in the process. Nevertheless, with Phenom IIs quickly disappearing from retail, the FX-4100 remains AMD's best value in the gaming CPU space, earning an honorable mention.


Best Gaming CPU for $125:
Core i3-2120
Codename: Sandy Bridge
Process: 32 nm
CPU Cores/Threads: 2/4
Clock Speed: 3.3 GHz
Socket: LGA 1155
L2 Cache: 2 x 256 KB
L3 Cache: 3 MB
Thermal Envelope:65 W

As our sub-$200 CPU gaming comparison article proved, the budget Core i3-2120 is a surprisingly capable gaming processor with the ability to beat some of the quad-core CPUs we've recommended at this price in the past.

Yes, you have to essentially forsake the potential for overclocking, given (what we consider to be) enthusiast-unfriendly locks on the multiplier and a base clock with very little room to scale beyond 100 MHz. But its stock performance is compelling, and this CPU still warrants a recommendation.


Best Gaming CPU for $180:
Core i5-2310
Codename: Sandy Bridge
Process: 32 nm
CPU Cores/Threads: 4
Clock Speed (Max. Turbo): 2.9 GHz (3.2 GHz)
Socket: LGA 1155
L2 Cache: 4 x 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Thermal Envelope:
95 W


Intel's Sandy Bridge microarchitechture is undeniably fast. Test data suggests that the Core i5-2310 can stand toe-to-toe with older LGA 1366-based processors when it comes to gaming performance. We're not talking about the entry-level models, either. This affordable processor has the chops to compete with Intel's thousand-dollar Extreme Edition chips.


Best Gaming CPU for $200:
Core i5-3450
Codename: Ivy Bridge
Process: 22 nm
CPU Cores/Threads: 4
Clock Speed (Max. Turbo): 3.1 GHz (3.5 GHz)
Socket: LGA 1155
L2 Cache: 4 x 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Thermal Envelope:77 W

As fast as Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture is in gaming workloads, the 22 nm Ivy Bridge design performs slightly better per clock cycle, while using less power. For $200, the Core i5-3450 promises to be a solid contender with predictable performance, based on our experiences with Sandy Bridge-based chips in the same price range.




Best Gaming CPU: $200 And Up

Best Gaming CPU for $220:
Core i5-2500K
Codename: Sandy Bridge
Process: 32 nm
CPU Cores/Threads: 4
Clock Speed (Max. Turbo): 3.3 GHz (3.7 GHz)
Socket: LGA 1155
L2 Cache: 4 x 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Thermal Envelope:95 W

From the standpoint of raw compute power, Core i5-2500K offers very little over the cheaper Core i5-3470. It does hold three distinctions, however: it runs, by default, a few hundred megahertz faster, it has the faster HD 3000 graphics engine, and it has an unlocked CPU multiplier.

The 200 MHz advantage held over the Core i5-3470 is quantifiable, but arguably not very significant (particularly since the -2500K's Sandy Bridge architecture is a little slower than Ivy Bridge). And gamers with discrete graphics cards care little about the integrated graphics engine. But the unlocked CPU multiplier is a must for overclockers using any Sandy Bridge-based CPU. The Core i5-2500K is an obvious choice for enthusiasts looking for the best combination of overclocking headroom and gaming potential.


Best Gaming CPU for $240: None
Core i5-3570K
Codename: Ivy Bridge
Process: 22 nm
CPU Cores/Threads: 4
Clock Speed (Max. Turbo): 3.4 GHz (3.8 GHz)
Socket: LGA 1155
L2 Cache: 4 x 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Thermal Envelope:77 W

As a gamer there's little reason to pay more money for Intel's Core i5-3570K instead of the i5-2500K. However, it is worth noting that the third-gen Core processor features a lower TDP and includes 16 lanes of PCI Express 3.0 connectivity. If you're buying a 7-series motherboard and Radeon HD 7000- or GeForce GTX 600-series graphics card anyway, enabling a faster connection between the CPU and GPU might be an important check-list feature (even if it isn't currently an important performance consideration).

As far as overclocking is concerned, you should be able to hit similar clock rates on the Core i5-3570K as Sandy Bridge-based CPUs, though you may need to live with higher temperatures, as Ivy Bridge runs notoriously warmer.


Past the Point of Reason:

CPUs priced over $220 offer rapidly diminishing returns when it comes to game performance. As such, we have a hard time recommending anything more expensive than the Core i5-2500K, especially since this multiplier-unlocked processor can be overclocked to great effect if more performance is desired. Even at stock clocks, it meets or beats the $1000 Core i7-990X Extreme Edition when it comes to gaming.

But now that LGA 2011 is here, there's certainly an argument to be made for it as the ultimate gaming platform. LGA 2011-based CPUs have more available cache and as many as two more execution cores than the flagship LGA 1155 models. Additionally, more bandwidth is delivered through a quad-channel memory controller. And with 40 lanes of third-gen PCIe connectivity available from Sandy Bridge-E-based processors, the platform natively supports two x16 and one x8 slot, or one x16 and three x8 slots, alleviating potential bottlenecks in three- and four-way CrossFire or SLI configurations.

Although they sound impressive, those advantages don't necessarily translate into significant performance gains in modern titles. Our tests demonstrate fairly little difference between a $225 LGA 1155 Core i5-2500K and a $1000 LGA 2011 Core i7-3960X, even when three-way graphics card configurations are involved. It turns out that memory bandwidth and PCIe throughput don't hold back the performance of existing Sandy Bridge machines.

Where we do see the potential for Sandy Bridge-E to drive additional performance is in processor-bound games like World of Warcraft or the multiplayer component of Battlefield 3. If you're running a three- or four-way array of graphics cards already, there's a good chance that you already own more than enough rendering muscle. An overclocked Core i7-3960X or -3930K could help the rest of your platform catch up to an insanely powerful arrangement of GPUs.

To summarize, while we generally recommend against purchasing any gaming CPU that retails for more than $220 from a value point of view (sink that money into graphics and the motherboard instead), there are those of you who have no trouble throwing down serious money on the best of the best, and who require the fastest possible performance available. If this describes your goals, the following CPU is for you:

Best Gaming CPU for $590: (or for any price)
Core i7-3930K
Codename: Sandy Bridge-E
Process: 32 nm
CPU Cores/Threads: 6/12
Clock Speed (Max. Turbo): 3.2 GHz (3.8 GHz)
Socket: LGA 2011
L2 Cache: 6x 256 KB
L3 Cache: 12 MB
Thermal Envelope: 130 W

Take the $1000 Core i7-3960X, remove 3 MB of L3 cache, and drop the base clock rate by 100 MHz. What do end up with? Four hundred dollars and change left over, and an Intel Core i7-3930K.

The 100 MHz difference in clock rate is hardly relevant, given unlocked multiplier ratios benefiting both CPUs. And you'd be hard-pressed to quantify the advantage of 15 MB of shared L3 cache over 12 MB. Moreover, a greater-than-$400 savings lets you buy a nice motherboard and cooler, while still getting the same four-channel memory subsystem and 40-lane PCI Express 3.0-capable controller.

Brias je 20. jun 2012 ob 09:43 izjavil:

fr4nc je 19. jun 2012 ob 20:56 izjavil:

D3m je 19. jun 2012 ob 20:45 izjavil:

Brias, da se ti da. Bom počakal na Franca.

@Brias - kot vidim ne poznaš teme http://slo-tech.com/forum/t442779/0 poleg tega pa tisti testi niso veljavni...
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V glavnem AMDjev FX-8120 je trenutno bestbuy kar se tiče p/p.
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AMD FX-8150: The Bottom Line

In the very best-case scenario, when you can throw a ton of work at the FX and fully utilize its eight integer cores, it generally falls in between Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K—which is where it should appear all of the time given a price tag between those two most relevant competitors. Sometimes FX manages to outperform the higher-end -2600K, but other times it’s embarrassingly bested by its predecessor in threaded workload.

Sedaj pa na vsak 2500k ( stock ) primerjalni test PRISTEJTE POSTENIH 17% gor zaradi IVY3450@stock, in ste kje>>>>????

LoL! Ti pa si en troll ej...

1. Sploh ne omenjam FX-8150, ampak FX-8120 kar je velika razlika v ceni - v performancu je ni, saj gre za identičen procesor je, da ima 20ka nižji množilnik.
2. 17% gor? WOOOOOT? Ne neki na pamet, realno je mogoče 5-10% - govorim iz izkušenj - mel sem 2500K in dva, jap dva 3570K in dejansko razlika ni opazna, razen tega da se Ivy grejo ko pra****...
3. Spet ta tomshardware, ki testira AMDje na najslaši plati za AMD procesrorje ever!
4. Ne grej tistih p/p tabel, ker majo oni druge cene...
5. P/P zmaga FX, sploh na dolgi rok, ker se bo v prihodnost prednost večih jeder še kako poznala
5.1 Najceneje v SLO: - 3570K za 216,96€; - FX-8120 za 160,74€
5.2 Razlika v ceni je torej 56,22€ poleg tega pri AMDju dobiš boljšo plato za cca. 20€ manj... kar je spet plus za AMD
5.3 AMD je 25,9% cenejši, obenem pa še v večini regularnih testov zmaga

PS: Nočem in ne bom se več prepiral s tabo...kar itak nič ne dojameš...

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D3m je 20. jun 2012 ob 09:51 izjavil:

Da se ti da.

Se mu da ja... sam itak sam kopira iz fu***** tomshardware... krneka.

DoberDan je 20. jun 2012 ob 12:39 izjavil:

Haha, jst mam občutk, da je to podobna vojna kot med Microsoft in Apple privrženci.

Tu so pa eni za AMD, drugi za Intel in potem do onemoglosti vsak rine svoje. :P

...zato pa zdaj zmeraj manj vem.

Hmmm... ne vem če glih rine vsak svoje. Sam sem trenutno na Intelu pa tudi v preteklosti sem bil (P2, P4, 2500K, 2x 3570K) - do sedaj sem imel le en AMD procesor (1090T) sedaj pa komaj čakam na 3570K... ampak resnica je tako, kot je v mojih postih. Intel "fani" pa jo itak nočejo videt in jo prekrivajo...

BTW: Jaz sem nevtralen!

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Saj ga ima.