SSD za sistemski disk

WD je najbolj tezaven, na redditu pravijo, da kr pogosto crkne, 980 pro tudi nima neke zaupanja vredne zgodovine.

Sej pravim, reddit. Ko sem nabavljal nov SSD sem se malo pozanimal in na podlagi tega sem se odlocil. WDju itak ne zaupam se iz HDD casov. Sicer glede njihovih SSDjev sem bil bolj "odprte glave" ampak se ugotovil, da se ni kaj dosti spremenilo pri kvaliteti.

A samsung Magician prepozna OEM pogone lik SM8xc?

In se, ce MB nima vijaka za pritrfitev m.2 ssdja, ksksna ideja, kje nabavit?

kuglvinkl je 5. sep 2022 ob 20:10 izjavil:

...ce MB nima vijaka za pritrfitev m.2 ssdja, ksksna ideja, kje nabavit?

https://www.akcija.si/vijaki-za-m2-ssd-...
https://www.techtrade.si/orodje-kit-31-...

kuglvinkl je 5. sep 2022 ob 20:10 izjavil:

A samsung Magician prepozna OEM pogone lik SM8xc?

In se, ce MB nima vijaka za pritrfitev m.2 ssdja, ksksna ideja, kje nabavit?

Aliexpress ima, če imaš voljo čakati :)

Kako to, da so nvme diski če gledam 1TB cenejši od navadnih 2,5" ssd-jev? Glede na to, da so 7x počasnejši bi morali biti tudi vsaj polovico cenejši ali sem kaj spregledal?

nvme imam za sistem in mi 256GB zadošča bi pa dodal še 2 1tb navadna ssdja za ostale stvari.

Kje pa gledaš to?

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=252_9...
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&sort=r&x...

QVO je 10 € cenejši. Navaden 870 je pa pač star izdelek, s starim, dražjim flashom, kontrolerjem, itd. Torej SATA diski so dražji, če gledaš Samsunge s TLC flashom. Sicer so pa SATA diski cenejši :)

Obstaja več priklopov, ampak za home use je skoraj vedno M.2.

PS: Na M.2 gre gredo tudi SATA SSD-ji (narejeni v ustreznem formatu, ne tisti stari veliki s SATA konektorjem)

Mala M.2 ploscica je lahko oboje; NVMe ali SATA. M.2 NVMe je to kar je za splosno rabo trenutno najhitrejse vodilo, medtem ko je M.2 lahko tudi SATA in s tem podpira podobno hitrost kot "klasicni" 2.5" SSD.

Slika za v pomoc: https://www.kingston.com/en/community/a...

globoko grlo je 24. okt 2022 ob 12:54 izjavil:

Si mal sposodim temo, a nvme je sata al m2 konektor, sploh ne vem vec, tnx

NVMe je Non-Volatile Memory Express, ki je standard za naslavljanje shrambe (flash) prek PCIe vodila. Torej 'naslednik' SATA vodila s precej višjo prepustnostjo in manj overheada.

NVMe je, tako kot SATA, komunikacijski protokol. M.2 je pa form-faktor (ne samo za storage, mimogrede), ki, kot je rekel MrStein in gddr85, pri SSD-jih lahko pride v SATA ali PCIe (NVMe) obliki. Tako kot 2,5" oz. 3,5" diski, ki so lahko na SATA ali pa PCIe (U.2 kabli) vodilu.

NVM Express @ Wikipedia
Serial ATA @ Wikipedia
M.2 @ Wikipedia

Se prav ta moja plata v podpisu (b460) ma m2 nvme in pa navadne sata? Mam 3 ssdje v kompu, en je m2, druga dva (2.5") sem pa na obicni sata obesu.

Placa zmanjkuje, bo treba se kksn ssd kupt.

Tnx

pozdravljeni

razmišljam da bi nabavil en novi SSD disk za sistem na namiznem računalniku za SATA-3, ker še imam digitalni bon za 150€.

trenutno imam samsunga 128gb kakih 10 let starega, ki je takrat veljal za zelo zanesljivega in kvalitetnega. sedaj bi se tudi držal načela, da bi kupil dražje in kvalitetneje.

edini problem je, da na digitalni bon ne gre notranji disk, ampak samo zunanji. pa sem razmišljal, da bi kupil zunanji trdi disk, ven vzel SSD (priključek na SATA-3) in ga uporabil na namiznem računalniku.

bi to šlo in je v redu?
katere zunanje trde diske bi se v tem primeru splačalo nabaviti, da bi bili kvalitetni in zanesljivi?

Kateri M2 ssd se sedaj splača nabaviti (p/p kriterij) ?
Okoli 500 gb kapacitete (sedaj imam samsunga 830 120 gb, 50% poln).
Zelo verjetno bo B550 plata ter Ryzen 7 5700x.



Gledam tega
500GB Samsung SSD 980 Pro M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 3D-NAND TLC (MZ-V8P500BW)
EUR 89,97*
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info...

in tega
500GB Samsung SSD 980 M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 3D-NAND TLC (MZ-V8V500BW)
EUR 49,99*
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info...



vidim da je prvi na papirju 1x hitrejši.

Nekih hudih količin podatkov ne bom premetaval.

Gledam grafa

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sa...
Sustained Write Performance and Cache Recovery


https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sa...
Sustained Sequential Write Performance

in vidim, da imajo tile samsungi slc cache, ki ima relativno majhno velikost in ko se slednji zapolni pade hitrost drastično.

970 EVO Plus je po zapolnitvi slc cache deloval na 1.7GB/s (write), novejši 980 Pro na 1.0 GBps.
Edino samsung 970 pro (zelena krivulja) je držal na ~2.6GB/s ves čas.
Novo ni vedno boljše.

To je feature na vseh nvme ssdj-ih ali ima kateri urejeno kaj drugače ?

Preveril:
samsung 990 pro ima slc, 980 pro/evo/navaden isto, 970 evo&plus isto;
edino 970 pro ga nima.

S tem da 970 evo plus drži hitrost na neki spodobni hitrosti, glej graf https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sa... -> https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/ype35...
in ima relativno prijazno ceno (70 EUR za 512GB model) https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info... , medtem kot vidim imajo 970 pro na mimovrste na 122 EUR (512GB model) https://www.mimovrste.com/ssd-diski/sam... .

Katerega 970 si vzel ?
evo, evo plus, ali pro ? Ter katere velikosti ?

Ker npr evo plus 512GB vs evo plus 2 TB je razlika ko se slc cache napoli kar velika, 900 vs 1900 MB/s.

kar lepo piše na prvi sstrani
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sa...

Capacity
250 GB ...After TurboWrite ... 400 MB/s
500 GB ...After TurboWrite ... 900 MB/s
1 TB ...After TurboWrite ... 1,700 MB/s


970 evo plus naj bo torej 1 TB (108,62 EUR) https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info... , drugače je potem hitrost ena žalost.

Rabim hiter ssd (2.5) in m2 v velikosti 500GB, kaj se sedaj priporoča-link, hvala?

Hvala, sicer sem že malo gledal 980 Pro samo 500GB, 1TB je še malo predrag.
SSD pa verjetno tudi kakšen Samsung?

https://www.mlacom.si/komponente/ssd-so...
Mlacom ponudba (kar je dobavljivo), počasneti** so spodaj, če te zanima celotna hitrost oz vsaj 15 minut kopiranja

WD Blue SN570 500GB NVMe SSD M.2 PCIe 3.0 x 4 (WDS500G3B0C)
1 TB model, za pol manjši model je potem slabše ali enako
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd...

Like the Blue SN500, the SN570 features a tiny, static SLC cache. It absorbed roughly 12-13GB of data at 3.2 GBps before performance degraded. Once the cache was saturated, write speeds averaged 615 MBps for the remainder of the test. Thanks to the SN570’s small cache capacity, it recovers nearly immediately during each idle round.

Za 1) GIGABYTE NVMe SSD 512GB, M.2 (GP-GSM2NE3512GNTD) & 2) GIGABYTE Aorus Gen4 SSD 500GB, M.2 (GP-AG4500G) & 3) GIGABYTE Aorus SSD 500GB M.2 NVME GEN4 (GP-ASM2NE6500GTTD) ne najdem ustreznega testa.
???
edit:
za 2) 1 TB model https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gi...

Iz 5.6 GBps na 1.1 GBps na 690 MBps

za pol manjši model je potem slabše ali enako
za 3) https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/g...


WD Blue 3D NAND SATA SSD 500GB, M.2 (WDS500G2B0B) , NL test, niso testirali kako se obnese pri zgornjem početju https://www.techtesters.eu/wd-black-nvm...
???


CRUCIAL P5 Plus SSD 500GB M.2 80mm PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe, 3D TLC (CT500P5PSSD8)
testa za 512 GB ne najdem, pri 1 in 2 TB pade hitrost na cca 1.3GBps, kar ni počasne.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cr...
za pol manjši model je potem slabše ali enako


SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus 500GB, M.2 NVMe (MZ-V7S500BW)
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8879/...
&
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sa...

As expected, Samsung’s Intelligent TurboWrite runs out after 24GB of data has been written at a rate of 3.1GB/s, then performance degrades to about 850-900MB/s. While this is much lower than the TurboWrite speeds, it is actually much faster than competing products and in line with Samsung’s official specifications.

KINGSTON FURY Renegade 500GB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD pogon (SFYRS/500G)
test samo za 1 TB model
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ki...

Cca 1.0 GBps

za pol manjši model je potem slabše ali enako


Crucial P5 SSD 500GB, M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 (CT500P5SSD8)
testa za celotno hitrost (oz. vsaj 15 minut) ne najdem
???


SAMSUNG 980 PRO 500GB SSD, NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 x4 (MZ-V8P500BW) disk
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sa...

na papirju
TurboWrite: 5,000 MBps
After TurboWrite : 1,000 MBps

v testu

You have to be careful when filling up the 980 Pro because it will do so quicker than you might expect. Samsung's 980 Pro sustained 100GB of writes to its TurboWrite cache at a rate of 4.5 GBps before performance degraded. Once its cache filled, write speed averaged 1 GBps until full, outwriting the competition. Cache recovery is on the slower side, however. While the static 6GB cache recovered immediately, the 'Intelligent' dynamic cache did not recover within a half-hour idle window.

&
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sams...
tu gre na testu 1TB model iz 4,000 MBps na 1,500 MBps (na papirju 5,000 MBps/2,000 MBps)


WD Red SN700 500GB M.2 NAS SSD (WDS500G1R0C) NVMe 2280 disk
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd...
iz 2,800 MBps na 1,700 MBps zelo hitro (po 25s) (mali slc cache)


SEAGATE 500GB SSD FireCuda 530 M.2 NVMe x4 Gen4
ne najdem ustreznega testa, samo za 4 TB model https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/se...
edit:
https://itndaily.ru/2021/12/21/obzor-tv...
slika spodaj desno: AS SSD Benchmark (compression benchmark čez celotni pogon)

??? hiter, zelo hiter, hitrost za write ne pade pod 3.9 GBps


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TEAMGROUP PCIe SSD MP33 512GB, M.2 (TM8FP6512G0C101)
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/te...

The MP33’s write cache measured in at just over 150GB. The drive wrote to the cache at roughly 1,690 MBps for a minute and a half. Once filled, write performance fell to inconsistently slow speeds that averaged 185MBps. This is about 100MBps slower (on average) than the Mushkin Helix-L’s base write speed with 64L TLC NAND flash. There were even moments when writes had to wait and no data was written for 1-4 seconds, similar to how the DRAMless Adata SX6000 Pro performs when its cache runs out. After finishing writing to the cache, the MP33 recovers fairly quickly: It freed up about 65GB of cache for more incoming writes after a minute of idle.

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Crucial P3 M.2 500GB PCIe Gen3x4 2280, SSD disk
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cr...

The P3, like the P3 Plus, is capable of using all of its native QLC in a single-bit pSLC mode. This allows for a cache up to about 550GB. Once it runs out of cache the P3 is forced to free up space by copying data from pSLC to QLC which slows it down greatly; the write speed plummets from 3.2 GBps to 100 MBps. The cache’s size will vary relative to the amount of free space on the drive, with a minimum amount always available to at least cache random writes.

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SAMSUNG 980 500GB PCIe 3.0 NVMe M.2 (MZ-V8V500BW) SSD disk
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sa...

Samsung’s 980 Pro absorbed roughly 100GB of data before degrading from an average write speed of 2.5 GBps to an average rate of 315 MBps for the remainder of the test.

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Najhitrejši med počasneti !
Patriot P400 512GB M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe Gen 4 x4
testirani model je 1TB, tako da je manjši model slabši ali enak
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pa...

The outcome is almost precisely the same: 4.7 GBps or so for SLC, almost 2 GBps for TLC, then folding around 500 MBps.

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//malo gor, malo dol hitrost
WD 500GB SSD BLACK SN750 SE M.2 NVMe Gen4 pogon
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd...

We noticed some peculiar behavior during sustained write testing that we believe is caused by the SN750 SE's DRAM-less architecture. After absorbing roughly 70GB of data at 2.9 GBps, write speed plummeted to a very inconsistent average of 250 MBps, with lows landing below 100 MBps. After writing roughly an additional 120GB of data while the cache was folding, write speeds shot up to a consistent 990 MBps for the remainder of the test.

Sklep:
Iz zgornjega izbora bi vzel nekaj od tega

SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus 500GB, M.2 NVMe (MZ-V7S500BW)
Endurance: 300 TBW
81,33 EUR

SAMSUNG 980 PRO 500GB SSD, NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 x4 (MZ-V8P500BW) disk
Endurance: 300 TBW
96,38 EUR

WD Red SN700 500GB M.2 NAS SSD (WDS500G1R0C) NVMe 2280 disk
Endurance: 1,000 TB
109,50 EUR


ali
WD Blue SN570 500GB NVMe SSD M.2 PCIe 3.0 x 4 (WDS500G3B0C)
če radi tvegate z nizko ceno (51,43 EUR)

najbolši value for money so trenutno 2TB diski...

se dobi ze pod 100e
https://geizhals.eu/patriot-p210-2tb-p2...

ali malo čez za pcie
https://geizhals.eu/lexar-nm610-pro-2tb...

PrimozR je 22. dec 2022 ob 19:21 izjavil:

Patriot je dramless.

za pest riza se nebos sekiral. Tole je bulk storage pogon ala nekaj za steam drive. Tut dramless bo ok.

za starejši pc bo vsak ssd dobr.

Celeron 1037U in 2GB RAM-a.
Bo nadgrajeno na 6-8 GB.

TRENUTNO ima SSD 64GB.