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D3m0r4l1z3d ::

Beta2 je izjavil:

BX200 se že dobi očitno :)
http://www.enaa.com/search.asp?q=bx200&...

uradno ga še ni na strani Crucial, bolj se mi to zdi kot fail enaa
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Han ::

Eventus (uvoznik) ima BX200 na zalogi... Funtech ima trenutno najboljšo ceno.

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Beta2 ::

Zgleda da ma clo zraven Acronis, BX100 mislim da ni imel, samo mx200

r3dkv1c4 ::

TALE

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D3m0r4l1z3d ::

bx200 je p/Gb slabši od BX100, v čem pa je boljši?
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Han ::

Hitrost zapisovanja ima večjo.

darkolord ::

Ja pa manj placa (oz. več overprovisioninga).

hojnikb ::

Han je izjavil:

Hitrost zapisovanja ima večjo.

to je ziher kaka slc cache fora..
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forg0tten ::

V štartu je itak zmeraj nekaj dražji vsak, po moje bo šla cena počasi dol potem, glede na to da je TLC imajo verjetno še kar lufta tukaj, ni pa nekaj bistveno višja sploh, funtech jih ima po 89€, bx100 je bil najceneje pri nas kot vem po 85€ :).

hojnikb ::

Heh, tole pa more prlezt do 60€ :)
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fireX88 ::

zanima me, če bi to plus 1 ssd laufalo kot primarni disk. SSD se bi na čase odklopil in prenesel na drugo mašino in nazaj. na pc-ju kjer bo ta hot swap bo še en disk, ki bo imel tudi winse in bo za normalno uporabo.. Bi bili kakšni problemi?
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forg0tten ::

LuiIII je izjavil:

Kako je kaj z dobavljivostjo Samsung 950pro oz kakšnega drugega NVMe SSD-ja pri nas?


Dobi se ga sicer pri nas ampak je cena kar huda :/
http://www.ideo.si/SSD_diski/SSD_256GB_...

950 pro pa mislim da še ni zunaj.

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guli ::

950 je že na voljo v tujini, za Slovenijo pa nevem
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info....

fopi ::

V Leclercu je samsung 850 EVO 250 GB za 80 EUR po odštetem bonu. Recimo, da me bon ne moti ali je to OK cena?

SuperVeloce ::

ja. čekiraj še garancijo. 5 let je tovarniške, ne vem pa koliko leclerc da
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r3dkv1c4 ::

SuperVeloce je izjavil:

ja. čekiraj še garancijo. 5 let je tovarniške, ne vem pa koliko leclerc da

Ni pomembno kaj trgovina ponudi.
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paraboŁa ::

Mi lahko kdo na hitro pregleda ponudbo tule https://www.pricaraj.si/catalogsearch/r....

Kupujem ssd disk kapacitete 120 ali 128gb za prenosnik, v dock bom dal zdajšnji 750GB hdd. Moj budget je okoli 50€, saj mi trenutna finančna situacija ne dopušča večjega budgeta, a še vseeno bi rad kupil najboljše za ta denar.

Hvala.

SuperVeloce ::

r3dkv1c4 je izjavil:

SuperVeloce je izjavil:

ja. čekiraj še garancijo. 5 let je tovarniške, ne vem pa koliko leclerc da

Ni pomembno kaj trgovina ponudi.

Ne, je pa fino vedeti. Najprej rihtaš preko trgovine, potem pa pošiljaš na uradni servis.
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hojnikb ::

paraboŁa je izjavil:

Mi lahko kdo na hitro pregleda ponudbo tule https://www.pricaraj.si/catalogsearch/r....

Kupujem ssd disk kapacitete 120 ali 128gb za prenosnik, v dock bom dal zdajšnji 750GB hdd. Moj budget je okoli 50€, saj mi trenutna finančna situacija ne dopušča večjega budgeta, a še vseeno bi rad kupil najboljše za ta denar.

Hvala.

http://www.edigital.si/ssd-pogoni/inten...

sploh nimaš kej razmišlat. Dodaj še pa za ene 6€ pičkarij, da bo đabe poštnina
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hojnikb ::

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9756/the-...

tl;dr

šrot za tako ceno. Grabte bx100, dokler je še :)
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::

Micron očitno zgublja bitko z Samsungom in Tošibo, zakaj še nimajo svojega kontrolerja? Vseeno pa ocz in tošibo p/p scat pelje
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hojnikb ::

no ja, tošiba je cenejša od cruciala. Vsaj če gledamo slo nabavne...

sicer pa, micron je nabavil tidal nekaj časa nazaj...
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lukass ::

Kupujem SSD disk, kateri naj bi v celoti zamenjal moj 1TB HDD, HDD imam zapolnjenega nekako 500GB, to je tudi moj maximum, vse ostalo je na zunanjem trdem disku, gledam naslednji disk: https://www.mimovrste.com/diski/kingsto...

Ali je dovolj dober za neko normalno uporabo prenosnega računalnika (ASUS N551JM, I7-4710HQM, 8GB RAM) ali je bolje vzeti SAMSUNG disk, ki pa nevem točno zakaj naj bi bil boljši, mi morda lahko kdo svetuje ali kaj več pove o razliki?

D3m ::

hojnikb je izjavil:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9756/the-...

tl;dr

šrot za tako ceno. Grabte bx100, dokler je še :)


Bojo morali pa čudežni firmware ven dati, da jih reši. :)
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::

Plextor je tudi pred kratkim en Value SSD vn dal in očitno še zadnje pare od sata3 ssd-jev želijo pocuzat, bx100 seveda upokojijo, na tlcju pa več marže povlečejo, vseeno pa bi rad še kakšen high-end dvoboj/troboj videl na sata3
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AC_DC ::

lukass
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-...
Kingston seems to have pulled a Samsung and entered this device into the infamous hardware lottery. if you have version 5.05 of this device, then you are good to go and will achieve all rated speeds, power consumption, etc for it. This version of the device is manufactured in Taiwan.

As of version 5.06, it is a total crapshoot if you will get a good drive manufactured in Taiwan or one from their other manufacturing sites in China. The mainland Chinese versions to put it nicely, don't even come close to the rated read/write speeds for this particular device, with write speeds falling from the advertised rate to a max of 240 mb/s on SATA III (device is officially rated at over 500 mb/s write speeds and the 5.05 version regularly achieves 540 mb/s).

There are similar warnings and whatnot about this issue about the drive on other sites, with some customers going so far as accusing Kingston of bait-n-switch after submitting the 5.05 to all of the review sites where it was benchmarked and scored numerous high marks and then almost immediately (within two months) releasing the 5.06 into the retail market.



*update 1/12/14* Firmware is not the issue, Kingston switched to asynchronous NAND

Seems I found the real culprit after speaking with several SSD experts on various tech forums, get ready for a class action lawsuit Kingston. Here's the scam, Kingston switched to cheap asynchronous memory chips that don't run in parallel after the first few months of production.

That means single channel bandwidth instead of multiple channels like earlier v300 SSD's. Instead of running at 200mhz, its running at 66mhz. This effects read and write speeds enormously.

Kingston hid this fact by using solvent on the original labeling of the memory chips, then printed their own logo on top. Kingston does not manufacture any memory themselves. When SSD was shipped out for review it used quality Toshiba 19nm NAND but Kingston used solvent on chips labels and printed their own. This was odd, but the reason for it soon became obvious. After only a few months they switched to inferior quality chips with the same Kingston label.


Zakaj misliš da stane 500 gb samsung ali crucial okoli 200 eur ?
https://www.mimovrste.com/ssd-diski/cru...
https://www.mimovrste.com/ssd-diski/cru...

https://www.mimovrste.com/diski/samsung...


anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-u...

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SuperVeloce ::

jap, to smo na slo-tech že debatirali. Kingston se odsvetuje že iz principa, tudi če imaš vse dokaze, da dobiš dober model. Takšen hud padec zmogljivosti je neopravičljiv in vsekakor bi morali biti kaznovani z ogromnim padcem prodaje...
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hojnikb ::

480GB btw ni affectan z temi padci, ker ima že tok raw flasha, da s tem kompenzira. Čeprav je pa res da tudi 240G ponavadi dosegajo čez 200M write in 500MB read pri as ssd.

But still, kingston fuj.

D3m je izjavil:

hojnikb je izjavil:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9756/the-...

tl;dr

šrot za tako ceno. Grabte bx100, dokler je še :)


Bojo morali pa čudežni firmware ven dati, da jih reši. :)


drek flasha nemorš pofixat z firmwareom. Razn če nastavijo, da laufa ce ssd v slc načinu (sam potem bo tut 1/3 kapacitete).

Kar bi lahko naredi, je ista fora k jo majo pr MX200; adaptivni SLC keš čez celotn prostor.
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lukass ::

AC_DC je izjavil:

lukass
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-...
Kingston seems to have pulled a Samsung and entered this device into the infamous hardware lottery. if you have version 5.05 of this device, then you are good to go and will achieve all rated speeds, power consumption, etc for it. This version of the device is manufactured in Taiwan.

As of version 5.06, it is a total crapshoot if you will get a good drive manufactured in Taiwan or one from their other manufacturing sites in China. The mainland Chinese versions to put it nicely, don't even come close to the rated read/write speeds for this particular device, with write speeds falling from the advertised rate to a max of 240 mb/s on SATA III (device is officially rated at over 500 mb/s write speeds and the 5.05 version regularly achieves 540 mb/s).

There are similar warnings and whatnot about this issue about the drive on other sites, with some customers going so far as accusing Kingston of bait-n-switch after submitting the 5.05 to all of the review sites where it was benchmarked and scored numerous high marks and then almost immediately (within two months) releasing the 5.06 into the retail market.



*update 1/12/14* Firmware is not the issue, Kingston switched to asynchronous NAND

Seems I found the real culprit after speaking with several SSD experts on various tech forums, get ready for a class action lawsuit Kingston. Here's the scam, Kingston switched to cheap asynchronous memory chips that don't run in parallel after the first few months of production.

That means single channel bandwidth instead of multiple channels like earlier v300 SSD's. Instead of running at 200mhz, its running at 66mhz. This effects read and write speeds enormously.

Kingston hid this fact by using solvent on the original labeling of the memory chips, then printed their own logo on top. Kingston does not manufacture any memory themselves. When SSD was shipped out for review it used quality Toshiba 19nm NAND but Kingston used solvent on chips labels and printed their own. This was odd, but the reason for it soon became obvious. After only a few months they switched to inferior quality chips with the same Kingston label.


Zakaj misliš da stane 500 gb samsung ali crucial okoli 200 eur ?
https://www.mimovrste.com/ssd-diski/cru...
https://www.mimovrste.com/ssd-diski/cru...

https://www.mimovrste.com/diski/samsung...


anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-u...


Hvala za pojasnitev, kot sem pričakoval nekateri proizvajalci navedejo samo lepe stvari in se šopirijo z nekimi hitrostmi, torej ali crucial ali pa samsung, nekaj sem že gledal razliko med bx200 in mx200, mx 200 je novejši in malenkost hitreje bere in zapisuje, pa vendar ali se to sploh pozna pri sami uporabi in je smiselno dat 10€¸ več, nekdo bo rekel pa daj tistih 10€ več, vendar zakaj če so razlike minimalne in za človeka neopazne... samsung naj bi imel neke težave z crashanjem ipd... je to res?

hojnikb ::

BX200 je novejši actually...

Sicer pa, katerkol MLC pogon vzameš (pa tudi tlc samsung) nekih razlik v *praksi* neboš opazu. Razn če šopaš hude i/o operacije 24/7
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lukass ::

Se opravičujem BX200 ja je novejši, MLC, TLC - kaj je to? v teh zadevah sem popoln laik

hojnikb ::

TLC je MLCjov prizadeti bratec :)
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psyke ::

kdaj bo to padlo na 200EUR? nikoli?

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/Off...

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hojnikb ::

to se bos se nacaku...
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psyke ::

hojnikb je izjavil:

to se bos se nacaku...


ka pa če bo spet kaka akacija kot za grafo :D preis-hunter :D
jaz tudi dvomim - to bo držalo še kakšno leto

sam nikol ne veš

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hojnikb ::

to je se vedno entuzijast roba in temo primerne cene...
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psyke ::

hojnikb je izjavil:

to je se vedno entuzijast roba in temo primerne cene...


če tako gledaš bi lahko bilo še dražje.. je zasoljena cena ni pa zelo - glede na to kak to šiba- ej sorry spet sem kliknil "pregladaj izbris" namesto citiraj. :D

hojnikb ::

stevilke na papirju ne povedo vsega....
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ST-777 ::

lukass je izjavil:

MLC, TLC - kaj je to?
O TLC vs MLC so pisali na forumu: https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/1...

Geekazoid: "I've been going back and forth trying to decide whether or not I should buy the 256GB 850 Pro or the 250GB 850 EVO. I know the Pro uses MLC flash storage and the EVO uses TLC flash storage, what's the real deference between the two, and why would one go for a MLC-based SSD over a TLC-based one? Just curious."

Charmin: "MLC flash storage is faster than TLC and it doesn't degrade as fast as TLC. The thing is though, the 850 Evo lasts for a damn long time, and on top of that it has a 5 year warranty. the 850 Pro has a 10 year warranty. Other than that, these are the major differences AFAIK between the two."

PureBlackFire: "in most cases I'd just buy the EVO as the real world speed difference is not noticeable."

D3m0r4l1z3d ::

Zanimivo je to, da tlc 850 evo zaradi chachinga dosega v sintetki visoke rezultate in tudi v real world aplikacijah, kingston savage pa pprazne glede na sintetko, kjer je hitrejši od 850 evo, vsekaor je sammy pokazal, da se da s tlc narediti zelo hiter ssd v rw aplkicijah, sicer pa je nov frontier pcie x4 in nvme, tako da zdaj samo še value sata3 pogone delajo
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hojnikb ::

sammyu pomaga tak ene 2 letni lead pri nand razvoju....

pa 2d tlc od sammya tut ni tak biser, ceprav je bil dost hiter.....
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::

Za home use je sata3 dovolj hitr, fascinantno pa so nas zdrmal z nvme in pciex4 pogoni, želimo si več , aaaa?aaa
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hojnikb ::

zalostno je sam, da bodo sedaj prodajalc subpar tlc pogone za par kavic manj kt postene mlc pogone ala bx100
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darkolord ::

hojnikb: 128 giga intenso top si dejansko probal?

hojnikb ::

jap...

odzivnost in benchi kot se spodobi za 120g budget pogon...

lahko pa postas svoj bench, da vidimo ta drekec pekec...¸¸
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hojnikb ::

VERDICT : Crucial's BX200 currently suffers too many issues to warrant a recommendation. Just for fun, we went back to the company's C300, the first SATA 6Gb/s solid-state drive to hit the market, as a comparison point. It surfaced in 2010 and obliterated the BX200 in every test we ran. Even the BX100, the BX200's predecessor, is superior in every way.
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hojnikb ::

The 480GB BX200's TLC NAND writes at just over 64 MB/s. The 960GB BX200 fares identically. This isn't steady state sequential write performance either; we're just working outside of the buffer.


ouch ;((
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::

bx100 in pika, drugače pa za več, pa kar veselo na nvme pcie x4
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D3m0r4l1z3d ::

Pod 100 eur morajo 500gb sata3 pasti in 256gb nvme pciex4, lol, z dobrim hlajenjem in backplatom :-)
Na mindfactory je 850 evo 250gb na 79 eur padla, mogoče eleclerc spremjajo v slo
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PrimozR ::

Mogoče leclerc spremlja tujino?

EDIT: od kje podatek o 79 EUR? Jaz najdem le 85 EUR. Na gigabajt je še vedno najcenejši 500 GB, nato 1 TB, šele nato pa po ceni pride 250 GB 850 EVO.Vsaj v evropi (na Geizhalsu).

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