Zakaj so električni avtomobili prava stvar

Gregor P je 18. mar 2019 ob 09:38 izjavil:

Pa saj Tesla sploh ni nobena konkurenca avtomobilski industriji; kakor ji sedaj slabo/dobro kaže, bo lahko vesela, če ji uspe obstati kot nišni proizvajalec EV.

Gregor P je 18. mar 2019 ob 09:45 izjavil:

Sp3m je 18. mar 2019 ob 09:40 izjavil:

Kaj nemški voznik Tesle pravi o Audi E-tronu.

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Dobesedno pravi, da ima Tesla resne težave in da je (danes še) praktično njena edina prednost infrastruktura polnilnic.

Sprašujem te za kolk mora pasti prodaja audiju, bmwju, mercedesu, da boš rekel, da imajo težavo s teslo.

Gregor P je 18. mar 2019 ob 10:56 izjavil:

To so pač tvoje domneve oz. ugibanja; sam recimo sem pri ponovnem nakupu Mercedesa zadržan, ker sem bil pri zadnjem modelu S malo razočaran nad kvaliteto (ne razumeti narobe, govorim v tem luksuznem razredu vozil; v primerjavi s starejšimi S-i). Trenutno imajo torej enega kupca manj, pa je povsem vseeno, ali Tesla obstaja, ali ne (ker Tesla tako ali tako nima kaj iskati s svojo ravnjo kvalitete v teh luksuznih razredih).

feryz je 18. mar 2019 ob 11:06 izjavil:

Gregor P je 18. mar 2019 ob 10:56 izjavil:

To so pač tvoje domneve oz. ugibanja; sam recimo sem pri ponovnem nakupu Mercedesa zadržan, ker sem bil pri zadnjem modelu S malo razočaran nad kvaliteto (ne razumeti narobe, govorim v tem luksuznem razredu vozil; v primerjavi s starejšimi S-i). Trenutno imajo torej enega kupca manj, pa je povsem vseeno, ali Tesla obstaja, ali ne (ker Tesla tako ali tako nima kaj iskati s svojo ravnjo kvalitete v teh luksuznih razredih).

Kaj ti pa preostane, če ti S ne gre?
Sedmica ti tudi ne bo šla. To jaz vem.
Mogoče bi veljalo probati Audi. Enkrat moram iti pogledat.

Tesla je pa karjola. Ki razen po ceni, takim avtom še dolgo, dolgo niti zadaj ne bo prišla. Pred njih pa verjetno nikoli.

hmm je 18. mar 2019 ob 11:11 izjavil:

nekikr je 18. mar 2019 ob 10:19 izjavil:

In tvoj komentar (pa tudi warpijev glede izdelanih Kon) je dober odgovor zakaj EV NISO prava stvar.

No ja, to je neskončna debata, kaj je prava stvar. Zame so prava stvar ne glede na ceno, oz. cena ni glavni kriterij. Če je nekaj drago, ne pomeni da ni dobro in ne bi bilo smiselno spodbujati. Če bi gledali na ceno, potem je EV, pa tudi vse ostalo, prava stvar samo v primeru, da si to lahko privošči. Varnostno-asistenčni sistemi v avtomobilih so prava stvar, pa jih veliko ljudi ne (do)kupi, ker so predragi.

Sicer pa ne izhajam iz fantazij kogar koli na tem forumu, vsem je bilo jasno, da v parih letih ne bo le še Tesla. Samo razmišljam, in če bo Tesla prodala vse, kar bo naredila, delala pa vedno več, potem ne vem, zakaj sploh primerjave z nekimi neprimerljivimi vozili, ki se proizvajajo v veliko manjših količinah. A ni ravno MY simbol tega skoka v mainstream? Naredili so model, ki bazira na že obstoječem, ni nobene revolucije (posledično mogoče manj težav pri proizvodnji), samo ramp-up količin in po možnosti kakovosti izdelave. Tudi iphone že leta ni več vsako leto nekaj revolucionarnega.

A nisi 10 strani nazaj razlagal kako je TCO po 10 letih v prid EV? In kako Model S na norveškem ne odžira prodaje Golfa, če je pa cena po dveh letih ista? Kaj zdaj, sam seme negiraš, na par podatkov pozabiš...samo da nekako gre čez?

Utk je 18. mar 2019 ob 11:29 izjavil:

Norveška je lep primer kako so vse balkanske težave (polnjenje v 10. štuku, ne morem v Hamburg po šihtu na kavo) nepomembne, ko dobiš električni avto za isti denar kot ice. Na globalne številke prodaje pa ne vpliva, je premajhna.

Utk je 18. mar 2019 ob 11:48 izjavil:

Norveška je lep primer za to za kar je lep primer. In to je, da ni problem polnjenje v 10. štuku niti ni problem doseg. Če je nek avto dovolj dober za norveške razdalje in plače, jebemu mast, da je tudi za nas.
Če bi bil problem polnjenje in doseg, jim ne bi nič pomagalo tudi če bi bil avto (in elektrika) zastonj.

WarpedGone je 18. mar 2019 ob 12:10 izjavil:

Pol pa cela drama kako ta polnilec prepričat, da se bo vklopil...

Spomni se tega naslednjič, ko boste razlagal kako Teslnini superchargerji niso nobena prednost, da CCS ... jada jada jada. In kako bojo neTesla EV, ki ostajajo omejeni na CCS, uspešno konkuriral jada jada jaja.

Ja, mogoče uspešno najdejo po par tisoč kupcev mesečno, par sto tisoč letno je drugačna pesem.

Skratka polnenje EV ne bo rutina. No bo če bo folk redoljuben. A po naravi ni.

Ne, ne bo. Zato velikost baterije šteje, zelo. +500km realnega dosega ne zahteva polnjenja vsako noč če je fura služba-dom, zadostuje tudi za teden ali dva.

Onaniranje, kako ljudje v X% na dan prevozijo manj kot 100km in je zato 100km dosega čist dost, je onaniranje tistih, ki več kot 100km dosega ponudit ne morjo.

With an increase of more than 11%, China was once again the market with the strongest growth in absolute terms and the biggest individual market for Mercedes-Benz.

pegasus je 18. mar 2019 ob 17:36 izjavil:

Zato ker se hype umirja, situacija se normalizira, Tesla postaja normalna zrela firma.

I picked up a white model 3 performance yesterday with AP and FSD. After being promised some custom options like 19" wheels for a discount, and later told I couldn't do that, and even later, that it could be done at no discount... I declined but, I was offered a 1k discount for my hassle/confusion from my "Tesla Advocate." I was happy with that and proceeded with my order. When contacted by my delivery rep, I was then told it wasn't a 19 as promised, but an 2018. I was also told it was a Demo model, and that's why I was getting a discount. This car would have to be sold as used. When I was shocked they had to confirm and call me back. They came back and said it was earmarked in the system, for Demo, but was never used as such. Then I was told it was also sold to someone else, but never delivered, and sold to yet another, but was returned before seeing it. I was told this happens a lot with the performance version. I asked for it in writing that it was never used by a customer or demo'd, and it was in fact new car, but they refused, because of "legal paperwork reasons," and how the systems works, this couldn't be done. I honstly don't know about about that stuff. The DMV paper work said "used car sale." My rep, sorry, I mean, "Tesla Advocate," went on to say: "

Your car had its VIN assigned on Friday, December 28 at 19:50. It is exactly identical to the Model Performance vehicles that will be fabricated in 2019.

Yours was one of Tesla’s last vehicles produced in the most recent batch of M3 Performance. There is no fresher car than your car.

The car was made in Fremont, where I picked it up, but there was an 8 Dollar super charge history from Salt Lake City, UT. Which seemed like someone "filled it up" before returning it. Could have been factory employees I guess. I seem to get a different story each time I inquired. I know some VINs picked up in Dec had a 100XXX VIN serial numbers, while mine is a 083XXX VIN. This could be just because of performance line. I'm torn, because I don't want to be unreasonable, but something just feels shady about this deal/car. Am I being to picky?

Should I return this vehicle, or should I be happy with 1k off? ...for as they say, it being marked as DEMO, without actually being a DEMO, and no fresher performance line, and just go to service center for the repairs/paint fixes and wait? 1k is a very small percentage of the overall cost (~1.5%). Looking on Auto trader for similar spec/miles Model 3s 2018 vs 2019 there seems to be about a 2k increase in value. I know the Tesla vision is to change how Model years work, but that doesn't change the public's perceived value... at least not just yet.

Below is a list of issues... the color mismatch being the biggest:

There's a very big color mismatch from the bumper to the body panels

There's bumper deformation and alignment issues on the driver side

There's paint pooling on the tips of both sides front quarter panel where they meet the headlights

There was bumper chips, but only 2-3

There were chips of paint missing from the door hinges exposing metal

The hood is under-flush on the passenger side.

The tow hook doesn't hold in place well

The frunk floor mat Velcro was missing/dislodged

There's scuffs on the underside of the car

The underside of the dash metal (that holds the wood) does not connect fully, like my buddies newer model.

Other little things, but I can live with those.

TLDR; I bought a used "new" white model 3, with a shady history and a number of cosmetic flaws and received 1030 discount. Should I return it, for a new one?

EDIT: I just got a message saying my sales guy is no longer with the company, after I emailed him with my concerns, and the reply had yet another story about the reason it was sold as demo. Even though it was sold as Used not demo.

EDIT: LOCAL Store manager contacted me. I told him I had returning it in mind and what are the steps. He asked me to come in and discuss on Monday with him and the service manager. I'll update if I learn anything more, and what happens with it.

I've been trying to reach someone by phone since 3/12. Sometimes the call connects and the call center staff hang up before saying anything. I called sales and was able to get my account annotated with my attempts over to get a hold of someone at Tesla support.

February 2, 2019 Ordered Tesla 3 AWD Long Range
February 15, 2019 Paid complete amount
March 12, 2019 After 2 weeks (separated by 1 week) of repairs I got the car back with NEW issues. I picked it up after hours from their new guarded security lot.

2/9/19 - I could not take delivery of my Model 3 because the windshield was noted to have a crack at its base.

2/12/19 - I came back to attempt delivery again after they repaired the glass but discovered the windshield wipers weren't working because the service team either damaged the power coupler to the wipers or didn't fully seat them. I noticed this after driving on the freeway in the rain and having to immediately get off and navigate the roads with my head out the windows because of the historic storm that week.

2/17/19 - I pick-up the car and communicate the concerns below immediately but am told to wait for a service appointment:

-Bulging and uneven door weather seals on all doors except driver.
-Unevenly installed rear triangle window driver side. There is a bulging piece of rubber material along 1 inch of the length of the window.
-Random chirping/whirling wind sound. It appears to happen anywhere from 10-75MPH coming from the right side of the corner near windshield, maybe at the roof juncture.
-The dashboard was installed incorrectly and pinches the weather seal on the right door and part of the pillar.
-The driver side power window mount to frame was installed incorrectly and is scrapping the black weather seal (the technician noticed this when I texted messaged them unrelated photos)

You can see the photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8aCucZaJXoyEK...

2/20/19 - I notice the rear right corner closest to the back of the car of the truck floor/carpet was not installed properly. There is a plastic cone glued to the back of the carpet that is supposed to snap into the aluminum body of the car. In this case it was glued incorrectly so the plastic just bulges off the body and is no where near the hole.

2/23/19 - Plastic creaking of the center console. I've tried to push on various panels to try to stop or recreate the sound, but have had no luck. Tried the wall that the usb ports are at, the various joints on the lids, the panels around the steering console, the dash etc.

3/4/19 I take the car to service to my overdue service appointment - I am told on the phone a few days earlier that I will need a second appointment to replace the trunk. I leave the car to see if they can repair at least the other issues.

3/12/19 I take receipt of the vehicle, they replaced the glass window seal, insulate and adjust the center console, fix the dash placement over the door seal. and replace all weather seals on the doors. I didn't notice the damage to the trunk.

3/16/19 You can see in the last photo of the album they burnt/stained the floor of the trunk when attempting to repair it. I can't believe they gave me the car back in this condition. I'm also noticing a new rattling sound at the juncture where the dash was installed incorrectly.

I've given Tesla patience and understanding about not having my car for 2 weeks on two separate rental car occasions as well as having to try to pick up my car 3 times. I love and want to support Tesla but this experience has been absolutely bizarre.

codeMonkey je 18. mar 2019 ob 22:19 izjavil:

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