Tesla 3

fikus_ je 8. avg 2020 ob 06:18 izjavil:

Raptor, kje sem "hejtal"?!

Ko je človek navajen, sploh ne rabi več pogledat, kje je gumb, ga samo z dotikom zaznaš. In še en + za gumbe je povratna info ob npr. klikom, ko veš da si dejansko pritisnil na gumb.

Na zaslonu na dotik tega ni! Zato je dobro, da so funkcije, ki jih rabiš med vožnjo se vedno na gumbih, ročkah, za razne druge nastavitve pa ni problem, so lahko v nekem meniju in se nastavljajo ne nekem lcdju.

Sem dopisal:
(Nagovarjam v splošnem smislu, torej velja za vse...)

Zgolj dobesedno ti opisujem kaj sem sam pri sebi mislil o taki osebi, ki me je napadala zaradi zagovarjanja gumbov. Ne zameri :)

Se oba strinjava, da Touchscreen nima ravno prihodnosti na področju voznikovih komand.

Razen če si potnik. :)

Gotof je.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcollins...

Utk je 22. nov 2020 ob 12:23 izjavil:

Id3 in model 3 sta čisto drug segment. Ne predstavljam si, da bi nekdo kupil id3 namesto tesle. Dobro, lahko da nekdo kupi dacio namesto golfa, ampak v resnici je to prekleto redko. Tist itak nikoli ne bi kupil golfa, niti tist, ki kupi golfa, noče dacie. Isto je tu. Lahko nekdo reče ali celo misli, da se je odločal med enim in drugim, ampak v resnici je bila ta odločitev sprejeta že zdavnaj prej.

Drug segment, cilj pa isti.

Tu se samo vidi kateri od obeh proizvajalcev je naredil domačo nalogo in raziskal kaj ljudje potrebujejo, iščejo pri novem avtomobilu.

Taxis are fed up with Tesla defects and demand EUR 1.3 million

https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1364587/taxi-s...

Kopirana vsebina v angleščini:

In a large warehouse at Schiphol-Rijk, dozens of black Tesla taxis are chained to their charging points. Due to the corona crisis, taxi transport for air travelers has come to a standstill. Next year, it is hoped, travelers will dare to fly again. Then the Teslas whiz back and forth. There is another reason why they stand still. There is something wrong with about twenty taxis, says location manager Tofik Ohoudi. In his long career as a fleet manager, he has never seen more trouble than at Tesla. In one the power steering is broken. With the other, the drive shafts broke down after just a few months. Another recurring defect, even in brand new cars: a broken wishbone, an essential part of the suspension. 'Bizarre. Normally that only happens after 500,000 kilometers.

' Fumbling with mileage Taxi Jappie from Zwanenburg, who drives at Schiphol together with Bios, has the same experience with its 10 Teslas. 'I have never had to replace a wishbone or drive shafts at Mercedes. Not even when we did wheelchair transport and the vans were heavily loaded, 'says director Jill Sweijen.

In June 2019 one of her taxis has to go to the service center in Amsterdam-Zuidoost. Problems with navigation. For example, if the car departs from Haarlem, the navigation system will start the journey at Pieter Calandlaan in Amsterdam. Sweijen also asks Tesla to look at the odometer. The trip statements from the board computer, which taxi drivers are legally obliged to keep, does not match the position on the dashboard for at least seven of her taxis. This changes as soon as the car gets a 'reset', or if the internet connection is interrupted. Sometimes it differs tens of kilometers from your own administration, in one case even more than 4700 km. The taxi company could collide with the tax authorities and the ILT regulator: if the odometer readings are incorrect, this could indicate fraud.

The mechanics at Tesla have a simple solution: they adjust the mileage themselves, according to e-mail correspondence between the taxi company and Tesla, which is in the hands of the FD.

Taxi Jappie is not comfortable. Adjusting counter readings is a criminal offense. That is why Sweijen asks whether Tesla wants to explain in writing per car why it has adjusted the mileage. The taxi company has never received that statement. Range too low 'As far as I know, Bios has never taken a supplier to court. Normally you can work it out together. ' says CEO René van der Veer at the Bios head office in Rotterdam. There was sometimes something with the cars of the previous supplier Mercedes Benz, but then 'the men with white coats came from Germany and it was solved.' The subpoena was delivered last June. And the relationship started so promisingly, six years ago. On October 16, 2014, a procession of dozens of honking Teslas drives around Schiphol Airport under police escort. The airport is going 100% electric, a world first. Bios, together with SchipholTaxi, has been granted an eight-year concession to allow emission-free driving at Schiphol. For Tesla, still a small player at the time, it was a nice boost. Any business traveler traveling from the airport can no longer ignore the brand.

According to Bios, Tesla does not honor the agreements from 2014. Bios bought 72 Model S cars for an amount of EUR 5.7 million. Of this, EUR 720,000 was subsidized by RVO and the municipality of Amsterdam to boost electric driving. An important part of the deal is the range. Schiphol requires that taxis with a full battery must be able to travel at least 400 km. "Tesla promised that would be no problem at all," explains Van der Veer. "But our taxis never made it." Tesla defends itself by arguing that the taxi company uses the cars too intensively. Nonsense, says Van der Veer. 'We had emphasized in the negotiations that this was a crucial point for us as a taxi company, where we travel a lot.' Expensive replacement deal In 2016, Tesla and Bios reached a compromise: 64 Model S cars will be exchanged for the new, more expensive Model X. Total costs for Bios: more than EUR 7.9 million.

Amsterdam is now also drawing its wallet and subsidizing EUR 320,000. When the cars are finally delivered from November 2017, the range appears to be in order. But now they have so many flaws that the Model X can be found in the garage more often than on the road. In 2018, Bios must have more than 75 defects repaired. Another nearly 60 in 2019. Often major repairs, such as broken wishbones or problems with drive shafts, can result in an unsafe situation on the road. Tesla is no longer answering What makes the taxi company really desperate is the service. Initially, Bios has a fixed point of contact, which is common for companies with a large fleet. From October 2018, communication will suddenly have to go via an anonymous 'front office', where the telephone is hardly answered. Since June 2019, Bios is no longer even allowed to make calls.

'Problems had to be filled in via an online form and then just hope that someone responds,' says Van der Veer. Despair also strikes at Taxi Jappie. "You have to wait six to eight weeks before a car can be repaired." A replacement car does not offer any solace for taxi companies. They must drive with a blue license plate and a board computer. In 2019, Tesla will also introduce the rule that Bios can only offer two vehicles at a time for repair. If there are more problem taxis, they will be stationary for weeks. But the drivers, who are permanently employed, continue to be paid. That is why Bios holds the car manufacturer liable for EUR 1.3 million loss of sales. And then there is the taxi that was under maintenance by Tesla when a fire broke out in the service center in September 2018.

Bios's car was next to the burning car. There would be no damage to the taxi, but the car was lost for no less than five months. Tesla remained silent, so in desperation, Bios called the police. Only when it rang a bell and Tesla did answer, the car suddenly reappeared. In this case, Bios is demanding another EUR 60,000 in damages. Bills to be paid In 2018, Tesla will repair the defects free of charge, but from 2019 onwards, bills for tens of thousands of euros will be sent. According to Tesla, the warranty, up to 80,000 kilometers, has now expired. EUR 150,000 in invoices is outstanding, because Bios refuses to pay. 'We simply pay for maintenance and normal repairs,' says CEO Van der Veer. "But why on earth should we have to pay for parts that are defective?"

The case has now escalated to such an extent that Tesla is refusing to do anything about the cars. Tofik Ohoudi reported last June at the counter in Southeast with a problem taxi, but was able to turn around again. Bios cannot go to another dealer to have the car made. All service is done through Tesla itself. Van der Veer: 'Tesla wants to make its customers very dependent. If we were in full operation now, we would have major problems. ' Previous lawsuit Earlier, four Schipholtaxi drivers went to court over rattling Teslas. The judge concluded last August that the wrong party had been sued. The four should not have sued Tesla, but Mercedes-Benz Financial Services (MBFS), which had resold the cars to the drivers. The judge also stated that the moment of delivery determines whether Tesla complies with the agreement. And when they got the cars, the drivers hadn't complained about defects Despite all the misery, Van der Veer has become convinced of electric driving. But whether Tesla will remain a supplier is very much the question. Bios Groep has meanwhile purchased 5 Audi E-trons. "The phone will be answered there." Tesla does not want to respond substantively to questions from the FD about the complaints of the taxi companies and the damage claims they submit.

Big yikes.

Golazen izkoriscevalska parazitska bo koncno zacela placevat za voznjo, tako kot vsi ostali:
https://thedriven.io/2020/11/21/shamefu...
2.5 aud na 100km, premalo vsekaokor, nekaj pa je. Upajmo cimprej v SLO.

3 tonski model X, 2.5 tonski S, 0-100 v 3s,500 konjev, vse luksuz cez 100k. In za ta luksuz dobivajo subvencije, zastojn cestna taksa in prakticno zastojn voznjo? Kdo tu koga yebe? Do vceraj (se danes za fosilce) za podobne performance se placuje 1000e+ registracija, 10e+/100km davka? Zdaj bi se ministrski sincki se zastojn vozil?

Se ena zanimivost za made in china m3:

LOL

Verjel ali ne... jaz razmišljam o enem, ali drugem. Vsak ima svoje prednosti in slabosti. ID.3 je cenejši, hatchback mi je bolj všeč, servisna in prodajna mreža je boljša. Ima pa še svoje porodne težave. Tesla 3 je pa hitrejša, bolj premium, ima bolj fancy infotainment, hitrejše polnjenje, porodne težave so v veliki meri že odpravljenje (sploh sedaj s faceliftom). Je pa tudi dražja, ima slabšo prodajno in servisno mrežo, nima android auto/carplay, predolga za mojo trenutno garažo, ...

ID3 je dokaj očiten odgovor.

Servisna mreža je neki na kar ljudje sploh ne mislijo, začnejo pa misliti, ko občutijo pomanjkanje zastopništva neke znamke.

Sicer pa počakaj da še mercedes, bmw, audi svoje kompaktne rešitve ven splavijo pa se boš potem odločal o premium električnemu in vsaj dobil predstavo kaj ti trg lahko ponudi.

J.McLane je 22. nov 2020 ob 19:12 izjavil:

Ne vem, ti mi povej kaj ima veze, če pa v temo o Model 3 greš objavljat prodajo ID.3.

Jaz pa čakam da ti na tisti tvoj LPG skret končno dajo trošarino isto kot na bencin.

Objavljam astronomski padec prodaje elektricnih jugecev iz USA, saj je tema o teh a ni?

Ne, v bistvu sta samo oba pristranska in zaljubljena vsak v svojo znamko....

Vec kot ocitno ostalim

Gregor P je 23. nov 2020 ob 09:01 izjavil:

Valvoline je 22. nov 2020 ob 19:11 izjavil:

Prihaja nov id4, skoda enuaq, mercedes eqc z dometom 500km+, un nov vesolski bmw sedan z dometom 600km...

... ampak odločilna bo pa nova Dacia Spring za 11k

Ahhhh... že vidm k bodo vinogradi na naslednji trgatvi polni teh romunskih brenčačev

J.McLane je 23. nov 2020 ob 09:37 izjavil:

Model 3 po obliki (limuzina) bi moral biti po obliki za Evropejce totalno nezanimiv,

Zanimiva trditev. Bi moral biti? Zakaj? Na podlagi česa?

pegasus je 23. nov 2020 ob 09:43 izjavil:

J.McLane je 23. nov 2020 ob 09:37 izjavil:

Model 3 po obliki (limuzina) bi moral biti po obliki za Evropejce totalno nezanimiv,

Zanimiva trditev. Bi moral biti? Zakaj? Na podlagi česa?

Kaj se v Evropi bolj prodaja Thalia ali Clio? Mazda 3 sedan ali HB? Octavia limuzina ali combi? DA sploh ne začnemo z SUV in CUV, ker se praktično samo še to prodaja.

Mi je potrebno zopet omeniti dizajn prvega Priusa

J.McLane je 23. nov 2020 ob 11:10 izjavil:

pegasus je 23. nov 2020 ob 09:43 izjavil:

J.McLane je 23. nov 2020 ob 09:37 izjavil:

Model 3 po obliki (limuzina) bi moral biti po obliki za Evropejce totalno nezanimiv,

Zanimiva trditev. Bi moral biti? Zakaj? Na podlagi česa?

Kaj se v Evropi bolj prodaja Thalia ali Clio? Mazda 3 sedan ali HB? Octavia limuzina ali combi? DA sploh ne začnemo z SUV in CUV, ker se praktično samo še to prodaja.

Tu se strinjam, res so ga mimo pihnal, zakaj niso naredil 5 vratni HB/sportcoupe m3 mi ni jasno. Niso mnda jenkiji se vedno tolk smotani da bi kupoval sedane. Sm pa vseeno preprican da to ni tezava, tesla v EU gre le se navzdol. Brez servisne mreze ne bo slo. V letu -dve je konec.

Da ne odpiram nove teme... je kdo od vas kupil Teslo 3 v tem casu? Kolk ste zadovoljni z avtom?

Tnx za info. Se mi je zdelo, da sem videl na netu, da je bil avto malo cenejši :).

Sem dobil LR za 1 dan. Ni slab... Na netu sem našel kup pripomb čez kvaliteto izdelave. Prodajalec mi je sicer zatrjeval, da so bile take težave v preteklosti, zdaj naj jih ne bi bilo več... Potem sem pa našel en YT video, kjer se je našel nekdo, ki je imel enake težave tudi z modelom 2021.

Pri LR in Performance je zavarovanje predrago - cca 1.500 EUR s 50% popustom (full kasko). Pri SR+ je cca 1.000 EUR.

Ne bi rad prodal trenutnega avta, ki je kvalitetno narejen, in si kupil po kvaliteti nekega fiata :).

Za tale problem z LFP batterijo pa nisem še slišal...

Primerjat teslino kvaliteto izdelave s katerim koli drugim evropskim proizvajalcem avtov je žalitev za znamko. Tudi najcenejša dača, fiat ali pa francoz so svetlobna leta naprej kar se tiče kvalitete.

sekvap je 21. mar 2021 ob 09:34 izjavil:

Primerjat teslino kvaliteto izdelave s katerim koli drugim evropskim proizvajalcem avtov je žalitev za znamko. Tudi najcenejša dača, fiat ali pa francoz so svetlobna leta naprej kar se tiče kvalitete.

A dej no dej. Dača in katerikoli evropska znamka ima bolj kvalitetno baterijo, bolj učinkovit pogon, boljši intertairtment,...

Mal realnosti nebi bilo odveč.

Vemo s čim je Munro primerjal prve trojke. Sedaj je spremenil mnenje in tudi dejansko je zadeva krepko drugačna. Sicer ni jasno koliko mu je v žep kapnilo. Sem že nekajkrat omenil, da njegovih izjav ne jemljem kot suho zlato. Dejstvo je, da model 3 letnik 21 ni isti kot je bil 3 leta nazaj kar se karoserijskoh zadev tiče.

Kar se notranjosti tiče pa sem od ljudi, ki resno kupujejo oz. so kupili EV največkrat slišal, da je ID3 totalna katastrofa. Saj boja tesla 3 ni veliko boljša ampak komponente, ki sem jih zgoraj omenil pa zmagajo pri Tesli in folk se odloča v smer Tesle, če mu € niso ključni faktor.

Boš rekel rekla kazala na nivoju iz druge roke in gostilniške debate. Ampak kolker spremljam sceno razlika ni taka kot jo hočeš prikazat. Nisem momentalno in še lep čas ne bom kupec EV zato iz prve roke nimam izkušenj. No vsaj tak je plan. So me zamudili za nekaj let.

Me ima, da bi šel v Tesla salon malo prešlatat notranjost, da dobim občutek kakšen sploh je avto notri.

Mi zna prosim kdo razložit, zakaj stane 400 Wh baterija za električno kolo 800 €, Tesla ima pa menda baterijo 78 kWh, ki bi morala stati potem 156.000 €. Matematika tu nekaj ne štima.

Ekonomija obsega? :)

DamijanD je 25. mar 2021 ob 18:33 izjavil:

Dronyx primerjaj ceno bicikla in avta - neko spodobno kolo pride že čez 3000€ - pa je v primerjavi z avtom povsem enostavna zadeva ...

ELektrična gorska kolesa z zadnjim vzmetenjem so zlahka 5000 € in še kaj več. To je nesorazmerno s ceno Tesla Model 3. Ne vem pa kaj je vzrok temu. Delno že ekonomija obsega, vsega pa to ne pojasni.