Ukrajina Part II

Ja potem pa naj zaprejo pipico. Kaj čakajo?

Amazon je nehal cenzurirati in spet prodaja naci robo.

Voss je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:41 izjavil:

Ja potem pa naj zaprejo pipico. Kaj čakajo?

Saj se bo EU sama unicila zarada lastnega ega in morale ces od Rusov pa ze ne bomo jemali krvavega olja. Pa od Kitajcev ne naprav proizvedenih v nehumanih razmerah lol

Fritz je 12. mar 2022 ob 09:56 izjavil:

Tudi Rusi uporabljajo drone in lasersko vodene artilerijske granate:
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/150...

Seveda, samo ne prav pogosto, ker jim ni treba oziroma niti nima smisla.

IL_DIAVOLO je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:48 izjavil:

Ali smo imeli prav, da se osebe brez argumentov zatečejo k propagandi in psihicnemu nasilju? Ja, smo.

Kdaj lahko pričakujemo EU ban amazona, ker dovolijo prodajo produktov, ki nam dajejo bolece spomine na case, ki se ne smejo vec nikoli zgoditi?

Demokracija pa to.

Brez veze se matraš. Sankcije proti Amazonu, Googlu, Applu... v EU že obstajajo, samo ti tega še nisi vzel pri nauki.

Že 2015 so jasno in ponosno vzklikali da so naciji.

The boys from Azov are defending Mariupol, Ukraine, and...the white race.

voss_ je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:24 izjavil:

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:15 izjavil:

Kak lopov moreš to biti, brat ti nastopa v USA, ves keš, ki si ga potegnil si zalužil v državi, katero sovražiš? Tipični gastarbajter, ki doma nima pogojev, gre v tujino in sovraži državo, ki ga hrani. Take logike nikoli ne bom razumel, razjasni prosim! Zanimivo, ti pa še ponosen in se ti to zdi frajersko? :D

Si povprečen poptv gledalec. Nažalost. Pojdi vsaj tankat.

Ja stremetski ti si biser inteligence, Putin te želi samo obvarovati pred grdim zahodom! Na avto si nalepi črko Z, če je še nimaš, da bomo vedeli kak bedak si!

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korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:52 izjavil:

Voss je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:50 izjavil:

Neonacistični Wagner Group

Ruski ponos.

še zdej limaš to lepljenko podobnih oseb?

kje je nacistični križ na ruski vojaški uniformi?

Med samo Rusko elito se je znašel naci.

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:01 izjavil:

Kaj so zdej vsi pleškoti ena in ista oseba? Tist s putinom izgleda 20 let starejši.

Nabavi si očala.

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:01 izjavil:

Kaj so zdej vsi pleškoti ena in ista oseba? Tist s putinom izgleda 20 let starejši.

Ne sprenevedaj se.

Voss je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:03 izjavil:

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:01 izjavil:

Kaj so zdej vsi pleškoti ena in ista oseba? Tist s putinom izgleda 20 let starejši.

;)

Ne sprenevedaj se.

spet lepljenke. človek dej že nehaj. si očitno bolan v glavo.

Fritz je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:06 izjavil:

TezkoDihanje je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:05 izjavil:

Ukrajina ima plan: Dajte nama ruske devize i zlato

Ukrajinci zopet pravilno razmišljajo. Po koncu vojne bo šla zadeva na mednarodno sodišče in Ruse čakajo težke miljarde za plačilo vojne škode. Naj jim vzamejo to, pa naj se to potem smatra kot akontacija za plačilo škode.

Seveda, tako kot je šla invazija ZDA na Irak na mednarodno sodišče. A vidiš kam pripelje nespoštovanje mednarodnega prava?

ZDA so odprli Pandorino skrinjico z napadom na srbijo, Libijo, sirijo, irak, afganistan, jemen, ... vse mimo združenih narodov na lastno pest.

kaj so že rekli pakistanskemu predsedniku? "we will bomb you to stone age if you don't allow us to use your airspace".

TezkoDihanje je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:08 izjavil:

Fritz je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:06 izjavil:

Seveda, tako kot je šla invazija ZDA na Irak na mednarodno sodišče. A vidiš kam pripelje nespoštovanje mednarodnega prava?

A so iračani sprožili tožbo na mednarodnem sodišču?
Kot že večkrat povedano TEBI OSEBNO. Ruska invazije je LAND GRAB.

Ilegalna invazija in uničenje države je ilegalna invazija in uničenje države, ne glede na to kakšen je končen status okupiranih ali zasedenih ozemelj. V takšni invaziji je ubitih xy ljudi in povzročeno za xy milijard € škode, ne glede na to ali so napadalec ZDA ali Rusija. Ja, si mi že večkrat povedal, da si dvoličnež z dvojnimi merili, ni se treba stalno hvaliti s tem.

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:08 izjavil:

Voss je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:03 izjavil:

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:01 izjavil:

Kaj so zdej vsi pleškoti ena in ista oseba? Tist s putinom izgleda 20 let starejši.

;)

Ne sprenevedaj se.

spet lepljenke. človek dej že nehaj. si očitno bolan v glavo.

Stremetskijve lepljenke te pa ne motijo?

Russia threatens to target foreign military aid convoys to Ukraine. Russian Deputy FM Sergey Ryabkov said that Moscow had warned the U.S. that convoys of foreign weapons would be "legitimate targets for the Russian Armed Forces," as cited by Russian media RIA Novosti.

NATO Chief Jens Stoltenberg had earlier said that a Russian attack on the supply lines of allied nations supporting Ukraine would be "a dangerous escalation of the war."

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/sta...

Russia will treat western arms shipments to Ukraine as legitimate military targets, deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov says.

"We warned [the US] of consequences from the insane transfer to Ukraine of weapons like mobile anti-aircraft systems, anti-tank missiles, and so on."

voss_ je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:23 izjavil:

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:11 izjavil:

ZDA so odprli Pandorino skrinjico z napadom na srbijo, Libijo, sirijo, irak, afganistan, jemen, ... vse mimo združenih narodov na lastno pest.

kaj so že rekli pakistanskemu predsedniku? "we will bomb you to stone age if you don't allow us to use your airspace".

Ka samo a veš kaj, mediji so nam takrat lepo povedali da se gre za širjenje demokracije, svobode, naših vrednot... tokrat pa je stvar popolnoma drugačna.

Predstavljaj si tako: v Marvel vesolju, Lex Luthor napade Hobite, kar je nam vsem jasno da je narobe. Ko pa Spoderman namesti atomsko bombo na Deathstar, s tem uniči Voldemorta, kar je pozitivno.

Rusofili BTFO!

Tak pravičnež ko si, me čudi, da nisi v Afriki in hraniš lačne otroke! Drugače imaš pa ti win-win situacijo, če EU propade, boš skakal, da si imel prav, če propade Rusija prej boš še vseeno živelj v razviti Evropi!

Situacija v Rusiji (source + par slik).

I can't say much about people's feelings because now you can get up to 15 years in jail for criticizing this 'special operation', calling it a war (yes, you can't), 'spreading fakes', supporting sanctions or calling for protests. Have to blink twice.
Can't really protest because everyone gets instantly detained, even random people. See what happened on Bolotnaya Square, protests after Nemtsov was killed, or what happened in Belarus. These governments are good at shutting down protests. Anti-riot police is everywhere now.
Not only they control TV channels and websites, they control ALL the media. Social media networks get fines for not cooperating. FB and Google got fined for 'not removing fakes', gov limits speed and then bans them. Already happened before.
Twitter&FB got banned rn. VPN helps.
Central bank's assets are frozen, ruble dropped by almost 50% already and they had to close stock exchanges, freeze stocks owned by foreign investors so they can't cash out, etc. The stock exchange will likely open on Monday, will see how it goes ?
Central bank introduced a 12% commission for buying currency on the exchange. It was 30% at first. Banks made bid-ask spreads insanely wide, sometimes up to 2.2x.
ATMs had massive queues because people are trying to cash out USD since the first few hours. On the second day we got telegram bots that send alerts when there is USD cash in an ATM somewhere. Queues occur even at 3 am (second pic, taken few days ago. Lines are way bigger now).
Stores and businesses freeze activities, you probably know this. Some close not because of sanctions, but because of instability - it is cheaper then to recalculate everything, re-sign contracts, change logistics and prices.
A new law forces you to exchange 80% of USD/EUR you got since Jan, 1st as salary to our currency. Now you can only cash out $10k in 6 months in banks, everything over gets converted to ruble w/ bad exchange rate.
Can't travel with >$10k USD in cash. Can't transfer USD/EUR to your own foreign bank accounts. Can't transfer over $5k/mo to relatives abroad. This will go through September, if nothing changes.
They announced that they will spend $8.5 billions to buy out stocks of Russian companies. More gov-owned companies. Cool. Now they also announced that the companies can issue buy-backs (those were heavily regulated before).
Now there are talks about nationalization of companies that are stopping any activities in Russia. Maybe these are just talks to make them come back, but it does look scary. If it happens - we'll get no investments and nobody will want to do any business with us for many years.
Swift is not such a problem: we have SPFS, which processes all transactions inside our country. upd: Visa/MasterCard banned us, so we can't pay for international services or use bank cards issued by Russian banks outside of Russia.
We have our own payment processor, a Visa/MC clone - Mir, which ironically translates to 'Peace'. Surely it only works in Russia, so we'll use Chinese UnionPay to make transactions between countries and use cards abroad. Only a few banks have UnionPay cards -> big fees and queues
Crypto exchanges banned us, so grey market thrives. A way to get money from outside is to get paid in crypto and trade it with someone here. The spread between buying and selling USD & EUR is so big that it is better to take the risk and also trade with someone instead of banks
By their measures it looks like they have huge problems with USD/EUR, so they limit everything that drains USD/EUR out of country. Maybe they are doing this to not let the technical default happen? Common next step is to just forcefully convert people's USD by the market rate
Or just take their money. The state recognizes your service ?

I doubt these two measures will take place, the protests will emerge imo.
Small business is fucked again. Happened during covid, happens now. Supplies are 2x the price, logistics issues, etc. Better credit terms, but that's it. They might take other measures, but looks like it will be barely enough to keep some alive, different priorities.
Many fled to Georgia because they opened bank accounts for Russians and we have visa-free entry. Now to open a bank account you have to sign a paper that you are against the war etc, but if it gets leaked to Russian gov you'll get fun times so nobody really does this.
Flights and airbnb prices exploded, of course.

Private jets flew to Dubai, some then flew back to Moscow, and back to Dubai again. This started happening the next day all of this began.
Local businesses might collapse, we might get hyperinflation, unemployment, etc. Another scary thing is that they -might- shut down internet here: basically they are trying to create a local copycat scheme of the whole internet. And a button to switch it off.
They are migrating everything to use local IP issuing system instead of RIPE. Cross-border cables have to be owned by local companies. All ISPs have to use SORM: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM
and Deep Packet Inspection. Meaning they can physically shut off cables, making VPNs useless.

Big internet websites have to have servers here in Russia, and they are connected to our ISPs...Which might start using our own IP issuing system.

So basically they can even make these websites work sort of locally. < This is speculation and theories for now.
They might introduce whitelists and filter packets w/ DPI will be easier since there'll be no other traffic. VPNs won't be effective, and mesh networks will become popular. Satellite internet won't help at all because you need to somehow get a dish and it's easy to track it.
They are also working on government-issued SSL certificates. This already happened in Kazakhstan in 2015: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhsta...
Basically it allows someone to intercept, decrypt, modify and encrypt back all the traffic.

Bomba! Stavek, ki je upravicil poboje tisocih!

Google trends za "VPN" v Rusiji.

FireSnake je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:38 izjavil:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/...

Ampak, modu smrdi, da se to objavlja (mogoče tudi zato, ker je toše zašel v offtopic, ne vem):
WHO poziva Ukrajino, naj uniči nevarne patogene v laboratorijih

Bomo še videli, kaj bo iz tega.
Bom še lepil vire, ko bodo dosegljivi.

Dobil boš enak odziv, kto v drugih temah: Russia biological weapons claim refuted


So pa v Rusiji ekskluzivno zalaufali proizvodnjo novih igrač, it ain't all bad:

Fritz je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:03 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 12. mar 2022 ob 11:00 izjavil:

Video, glede na velikost eksplozij je tole kasetno strelivo za uničevanje mehkih tarč. Nič drugega kot teroriziranje prebivalstva.

https://twitter.com/Ukropo4kA/status/15...

Bistveno premalo eksplozij za kasetno bombo ali raketo. Prej zgleda kot rafal iz avtomatskega bombometa, ki ima dokaj kratek doseg. In ne vemo kdo je streljal.

Eksplozija je prevelika za bombomet. Bombomet je v bistvu ročna bomba na steroidih. Tole meni zgleda bolj dve minometni mini 50-90mm.

voss_ je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:57 izjavil:

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:33 izjavil:

Pa je šla :D lahko namestijo ukrajinske otroke gor!

Isti se bojo zgražali ko bojo Rusi nacionalizirali Mcdonalds.

FireSnake je 12. mar 2022 ob 12:38 izjavil:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/...

Ampak, modu smrdi, da se to objavlja (mogoče tudi zato, ker je toše zašel v offtopic, ne vem):
WHO poziva Ukrajino, naj uniči nevarne patogene v laboratorijih

Bomo še videli, kaj bo iz tega.
Bom še lepil vire, ko bodo dosegljivi.

WHO bo sedaj za pro vakserje sinonim za širjenje fejk propagande :D

Popolnoma normalno je,da ob nevarnosti predlagajo uničenje nevarnih patogenov. Vem,da ti verjameš,da virusi ne obstajajo ampak se motiš. Raziskovalne laboratorije imamo tudi pri nas in tudi tu bi dobili enaka navodila.