Ukrajina Part II

O včerajšnjem strmoglavljenju v Belorusiji.

https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/...

⚡️The crashed plane near Luninets could be a Su-34 fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
A day has passed since the crash of the Russian aircraft near Kozhan-Gorodok in the Luninets district, Brest region.
However, no official information on this was published. ...

Given the information about the two pilots, it can be assumed that the crashed aircraft was a Su-34 fighter-bomber, since the crew consists of one person in other aircraft that participate in raids on Ukraine (Su-25 and Su-35).

LINX odklopil Rostelecom pa Megafon...

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 00:45 izjavil:

youtube začel blokirat RT. Ko vpišeš v iskalnik Russia Today ti vrne rezultate: abc news, msnbc, Today, CNN, NBC news.

Je kdo za to, da se lotimo skupinske tožbe zaradi kršenja 39. člena ustave republike Slovenije?

Ja, blokiral so ene 20 ruskih kanalov.

Nič, spiši pa vložimo. Jaz grem pa tačas spat.

A je Google že plačal Rusiji tistih 7,2 mrd rubljev kazni?

Dokler se vojska ne testira na terenu, je imo brezveze govorit kok je kera vojska dobra ali ne.

Ruska vojska naj bi bila 2. njamocnejsa, takoj za ZDA, pa so si v Ukrajini naredili tako blamazo, da ves, da so te lestvice kar neke bedarije.

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/statu...
#BayraktarTB2 attacking what appears to be a Russian command post near Kyiv.

https://twitter.com/poppoppopkt/status/...
???? ????????? Bayraktar TB2 ????????? "????????????" ??????? ??? ?????????? ? ????????? ???????.

Ista lokacija? drugo vozilo?

Ruski analitik na izgnanstvu v Ukrajini.

Počasi začenjam dvomit v funkcionalnost & obstoj tistih 6000 jedrskih glav. Vseeno jih imajo zagotovo dovolj za en zelo slab dan.

https://twitter.com/Mortis_Banned/statu...

Idk how contrarian this take is, but there is a very real possibility the Kremlin really was unaware conscripts went into Ukraine.
It boils down to centuries-old corruption and bureaucracy in the Russian army.

This thread is sourced from the accounts from invading units (both public and private, the latter confirming this explanation).

Let's start with the commander of a brigade. He has about 1500 men, of which 1000 are supposed to be professional kontraktniks, the rest conscripts.
However, he has managed to recruit but 800 kontraktniks. On paper, there are still 1000.
He gets the funding for the 1000 and pockets the funding for the nonexistent 200 (with a kickback to the army commander above him, ensuring no check ever uncovers the scheme).
All is well.

The kickback system works perfectly, allowing the Minister of Defense and the Chief of Staff to have nice mansions and lower ranks to have less nice mansions.
Of course the higher on the chain of command, the less aware one is of the lack of kontraktniks and other deficiencies. Still, all is well, the army performs admirably in smaller-scale operations like Syria and Kazakhstan.
Until one day Putin decides to invade Ukraine with nearly all forces available to him (on paper).
The order travels down from General Staff to district to army to brigade.

Of course, as we now know, the order (months before the actual invasion) says it is going to be am exercise, because Putin brilliantly decided to keep his army in the dark.
Anyway, our brigade commander is ordered to send two battalion tactical groups, 500 men each, to the border
In all, he has to send 1000 kontraktniks. He has 800, remember?
He's never had that problem. He used to send a company or a battalion to exercises. More than enough kontraktniks for that.

He has two options: come clean about the lack of staff or beef up the BTGs with conscripts
The first option threatens to break the corruption food chain and reeks of court martial
The second option is relatively harmless. It is but an exercise, remember?
So two BTGs, 800 kontraktniks and 200 conscripts, go to the border, their vehicles in various states of disrepair.
By the time (a few days before Z-Day) the commanders learn they are about to go into Ukraine, it is too late to send the conscripts home
They are either sent into Ukraine, pressured to sign contracts and then sent into Ukraine, or left at the border, the BTG going in undermanned

The conscripts, naturally, get killed or captured by Ukrainians, mothers panic, a social media shitstorm brews, the Potemkin Army is laid bare before the military brass and the Kremlin for the first time
And the hunt for scapegoats begins, we will see where (if anywhere) it goes

Interesting that I would mention Potemkin, because, as @ain92ru pointed out to me, the Imperial army has similar issues.
The following comes from Alexander de Langeron, early 19th century imperial governor of what is now southern Ukraine and one of the founding fathers of Odesa.
Apparently, Russian imperial commanders preferred not to treat sick soldiers but rather let them die and pocket treatment money indefinitely
This is why on paper the Russian army suffered heavy losses at the start of every campaign: that's how long dead soldiers were written off Russianists may be familiar with 19th century classic "Dead Souls", where Ukrainian-born Nikolay Gogol describes the scheme of buying up recently deceased serfs to get a plot of land for colonization in southern Ukraine. Should come as no surprise that the army operates that way The Crimean War, which happened not long after "Dead Souls" came out, was also a time when the shortcomings of the Russian army, hidden by the web of corruption, were revealed in a peer-to-peer conflict
This war is another case of the same, and the conscripts are but a symptom

Zanmivo, Zelenskega Izrael spodbuja v predajo. In to Izraelci, ne moreš verjet!

Medtem pa:
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/as-...

Pac-Man je 12. mar 2022 ob 08:06 izjavil:

Ruski analitik na izgnanstvu v Ukrajini.

Počasi začenjam dvomit v funkcionalnost & obstoj tistih 6000 jedrskih glav. Vseeno jih imajo zagotovo dovolj za en zelo slab dan.

https://twitter.com/Mortis_Banned/statu...

Idk how contrarian this take is, but there is a very real possibility the Kremlin really was unaware conscripts went into Ukraine.
It boils down to centuries-old corruption and bureaucracy in the Russian army.

This thread is sourced from the accounts from invading units (both public and private, the latter confirming this explanation).

Let's start with the commander of a brigade. He has about 1500 men, of which 1000 are supposed to be professional kontraktniks, the rest conscripts.
However, he has managed to recruit but 800 kontraktniks. On paper, there are still 1000.
He gets the funding for the 1000 and pockets the funding for the nonexistent 200 (with a kickback to the army commander above him, ensuring no check ever uncovers the scheme).
All is well.

The kickback system works perfectly, allowing the Minister of Defense and the Chief of Staff to have nice mansions and lower ranks to have less nice mansions.
Of course the higher on the chain of command, the less aware one is of the lack of kontraktniks and other deficiencies.

Still, all is well, the army performs admirably in smaller-scale operations like Syria and Kazakhstan.
Until one day Putin decides to invade Ukraine with nearly all forces available to him (on paper).
The order travels down from General Staff to district to army to brigade.

Of course, as we now know, the order (months before the actual invasion) says it is going to be am exercise, because Putin brilliantly decided to keep his army in the dark.
Anyway, our brigade commander is ordered to send two battalion tactical groups, 500 men each, to the border
In all, he has to send 1000 kontraktniks. He has 800, remember?
He's never had that problem. He used to send a company or a battalion to exercises. More than enough kontraktniks for that.

He has two options: come clean about the lack of staff or beef up the BTGs with conscripts
The first option threatens to break the corruption food chain and reeks of court martial
The second option is relatively harmless. It is but an exercise, remember?
So two BTGs, 800 kontraktniks and 200 conscripts, go to the border, their vehicles in various states of disrepair.
By the time (a few days before Z-Day) the commanders learn they are about to go into Ukraine, it is too late to send the conscripts home
They are either sent into Ukraine, pressured to sign contracts and then sent into Ukraine, or left at the border, the BTG going in undermanned

The conscripts, naturally, get killed or captured by Ukrainians, mothers panic, a social media shitstorm brews, the Potemkin Army is laid bare before the military brass and the Kremlin for the first time
And the hunt for scapegoats begins, we will see where (if anywhere) it goes

Interesting that I would mention Potemkin, because, as @ain92ru pointed out to me, the Imperial army has similar issues.
The following comes from Alexander de Langeron, early 19th century imperial governor of what is now southern Ukraine and one of the founding fathers of Odesa.
Apparently, Russian imperial commanders preferred not to treat sick soldiers but rather let them die and pocket treatment money indefinitely
This is why on paper the Russian army suffered heavy losses at the start of every campaign: that's how long dead soldiers were written off

Russianists may be familiar with 19th century classic "Dead Souls", where Ukrainian-born Nikolay Gogol describes the scheme of buying up recently deceased serfs to get a plot of land for colonization in southern Ukraine. Should come as no surprise that the army operates that way

The Crimean War, which happened not long after "Dead Souls" came out, was also a time when the shortcomings of the Russian army, hidden by the web of corruption, were revealed in a peer-to-peer conflict
This war is another case of the same, and the conscripts are but a symptom

In to je sistem,ki bi ga nekateri uvedli pri nas. Zanimiva analiza škoda,da je nekateri ne bodo hoteli razumeti. Korupcija na čisto drugačnem nivoju.

Tudi Rusi uporabljajo drone in lasersko vodene artilerijske granate:
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/150...

IgorCardanof je 12. mar 2022 ob 02:19 izjavil:

Dokler se vojska ne testira na terenu, je imo brezveze govorit kok je kera vojska dobra ali ne.

Ruska vojska naj bi bila 2. njamocnejsa, takoj za ZDA, pa so si v Ukrajini naredili tako blamazo, da ves, da so te lestvice kar neke bedarije.

Tudi sam teren ne pokaže vsega.

Treba se je zavedati, da je nekaj, ko se bojiš proti drugi vojski, drugo, ko zavzemaš kako državo in tretje, ko se boriš proti gverilcem.


Pa še sedaj mi ni jasno, kaj ste eni tako veseli glede eskaliranja tega konflikta, dlje časa se bo vlekel, več ljudi bo mrtvih, večja verjetnost je, da pridemo do WW3 in uporabe nuklearnega orožja.

Tudi ni mi jasno ogoročenje nad raketiranjem bolnišnic, stavb z ljudmi itd., tole je čisto običajna posledia in reagirje vojske, če te navadni ljudje streljajo iz vseh mogočih stavb in uporabljajo civilne zgradbe za gverilski boj!

Aja, pa ne mi sedaj srati s takimi in drugačnimi twitter videi, ker, če nimaš 24 ur 360 stopinjskega posnetka točno razbite zgradbe in okolice, mi ne sedaj lagati in me prepričevati, da Ukrajinci pa tega niso počeli!

To se je dogajalo pred tem napadom in to se bo dogajalo po tem napadu, pa je čisto vseeno, kdo zmaga in kdo izgubi?

To so delali Američani po svetu, to delajo Rusi, to so delale vse vojske in kakor pravi star pregovor (očitno pozabljen): "Če je vojna, je vojna za vse!"


Sploh mi pa ni jasno, kaj vas tako mika nuklerano orožje?

Če do tega pridemo, bo čisto vseeno, kdo je prvi sprožil, kdo ima prav, pa če voliš leve, desne ali si antiwaxerja, rusofil, MSM ovčka in kje si na svetu, ker bo potem pekel na zemlj.

Tega si pa noben preudaren človek ne želi!



Čim prejšnji mir in konec spopadov!

DarwiN je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:21 izjavil:

Rusi pred ZN uporabili argument v stilu "Ukrajina razvija WMDs", s to razliko, da so WMD zamenjali za besedo "biološko orožje".

Le kje sem že slišal ta izgovor za napad na suvereno državo?! Hmm.

Zeeeh... dobro jutro... kaj bo novega? Smo ze mrtvi? Je Ukrajina ze zavzela Moskvo?

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:34 izjavil:

voss_ je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:29 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:03 izjavil:

Za vse, ki se pritožujete čez ukrajinske BTR-80 v naseljih - Rusi aktivno raketirajo iz okupiranega mesta z 20k prebivalcev, video

https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status...

Trostianets @ Wikipedia

Še ko primerjaš hruške in jabolka se self ownaš. Ukrajinci so potem taki klavci da bojo udarili z bombardiranjem nazaj, tja med civilo?

Tko pač izpadeš ko imaš IQ75.

Kdo od Ukrajincev bo sploh streljal nazaj? Ghost of Kiev?

Ti si še en, ki si enkrat ugodovil, da ima zahod tudi propagando, pa vseeno to ne opravičuje vprada Rusije v Ukrajino, sploh pa ne na tak način. Iščeš rusko propagando, za vpad, medtem ko si v zvezi NATO in EU. Namesto, da bi obsodil pobijanje civilistov in dejanja zmešanega Putina nam tukaj prodajaš zgodbice in kričiš, da bo nafta 2€. Naj zahod in prepoosto nastavi tazadnjo in omogoči Putinu, da dela kar želiš, zaradi tvojega straha, da boš dražje tankal?

Beri dete, beri: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/...

I think all the trouble in this case really started in April, 2008, at the NATO Summit in Bucharest, where afterward NATO issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO. The Russians made it unequivocally clear at the time that they viewed this as an existential threat, and they drew a line in the sand.

-vx- je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:35 izjavil:

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:34 izjavil:

voss_ je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:29 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:03 izjavil:

Za vse, ki se pritožujete čez ukrajinske BTR-80 v naseljih - Rusi aktivno raketirajo iz okupiranega mesta z 20k prebivalcev, video

https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status...

Trostianets @ Wikipedia

Še ko primerjaš hruške in jabolka se self ownaš. Ukrajinci so potem taki klavci da bojo udarili z bombardiranjem nazaj, tja med civilo?

Tko pač izpadeš ko imaš IQ75.

Kdo od Ukrajincev bo sploh streljal nazaj? Ghost of Kiev?

Ti si še en, ki si enkrat ugodovil, da ima zahod tudi propagando, pa vseeno to ne opravičuje vprada Rusije v Ukrajino, sploh pa ne na tak način. Iščeš rusko propagando, za vpad, medtem ko si v zvezi NATO in EU. Namesto, da bi obsodil pobijanje civilistov in dejanja zmešanega Putina nam tukaj prodajaš zgodbice in kričiš, da bo nafta 2€. Naj zahod in prepoosto nastavi tazadnjo in omogoči Putinu, da dela kar želiš, zaradi tvojega straha, da boš dražje tankal?

Beri dete, beri: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/...

Sta zelo ponosna nate fantič! :)

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:36 izjavil:

-vx- je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:35 izjavil:

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:34 izjavil:

voss_ je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:29 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:03 izjavil:

Za vse, ki se pritožujete čez ukrajinske BTR-80 v naseljih - Rusi aktivno raketirajo iz okupiranega mesta z 20k prebivalcev, video

https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status...

Trostianets @ Wikipedia

Še ko primerjaš hruške in jabolka se self ownaš. Ukrajinci so potem taki klavci da bojo udarili z bombardiranjem nazaj, tja med civilo?

Tko pač izpadeš ko imaš IQ75.

Kdo od Ukrajincev bo sploh streljal nazaj? Ghost of Kiev?

Ti si še en, ki si enkrat ugodovil, da ima zahod tudi propagando, pa vseeno to ne opravičuje vprada Rusije v Ukrajino, sploh pa ne na tak način. Iščeš rusko propagando, za vpad, medtem ko si v zvezi NATO in EU. Namesto, da bi obsodil pobijanje civilistov in dejanja zmešanega Putina nam tukaj prodajaš zgodbice in kričiš, da bo nafta 2EUR. Naj zahod in prepoosto nastavi tazadnjo in omogoči Putinu, da dela kar želiš, zaradi tvojega straha, da boš dražje tankal?

Beri dete, beri: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/...

Sta zelo ponosna nate fantič! :)

Si prebral? Ker neka random slika, ni cudezen pripomocek, da imas prav:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/...

Beri dete, samo na tak nacin se bos lahko v prihodnosti obvaroval fake newsov.

Voss je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:39 izjavil:

Ruskosrbska golazen se že nabira.

U Kosovski Albanec se je tudi ze zbudil. Kaj zdaj, bos sel sljadoljed delat? Bos en crno-bel burek spet naredil?

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:41 izjavil:

Spominjaš me na nekatere prijatelje, ki so šele sedaj ugotovili, da se v medijih uporablja tudi manipulacija! :D in sedaj je vse manipulacija in to čisto vse,... :D hahah kot prvošolček,...

Pa si dete ugotovilo tudi, da si morda sam zmanipuliran? Si si prebral clanek? Saj ni dolg...

https://twitter.com/5inan_/status/15025...

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:47 izjavil:

-vx- je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:43 izjavil:

fur80 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:41 izjavil:

Spominjaš me na nekatere prijatelje, ki so šele sedaj ugotovili, da se v medijih uporablja tudi manipulacija! :D in sedaj je vse manipulacija in to čisto vse,... :D hahah kot prvošolček,...

Pa si dete ugotovilo tudi, da si morda sam zmanipuliran? Si si prebral clanek? Saj ni dolg...

Sem zagovarjal, da se Ukrajina ne priključi NATU, ter, da je nedopustno, da se tam bombardira ruskogovoreče ljudi, kaj tej misliš, da samo ti znaš brat? Nikoli pa ne morem zagovarjat, da so vrdli na tak način in kaj počnejo! To ni podobno ničemur, sploh pa ne države leta 2022 in Rusija bi rada bila nek vzor in velesila v Evropi!

Ne smemo pozabit na ptiče na katere so ukrajinci pritrdili kapsule z antraksom in jih pošiljali v rusijo.

Voss je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:23 izjavil:

Gledam malce posnetke. So bili Ruski neonacisti ponoči kar aktivni pri obstreljevanju. Civilnih tarč...

Bolno.

In kako veš, da so bile samo civilne tarče?

Ti je Chris Cuomo to povedal?

Davkoplačevalci bomo sedaj napadeni da podpiramo Rusijo

korenje3 je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:55 izjavil:

AtaŠtumf je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:53 izjavil:

Voss je 12. mar 2022 ob 10:23 izjavil:

Gledam malce posnetke. So bili Ruski neonacisti ponoči kar aktivni pri obstreljevanju. Civilnih tarč...

Bolno.

In kako veš, da so bile samo civilne tarče?

Ti je Chris Cuomo to povedal?

Oboroženi civilisti so še zmeraj "civilisti". Tako trdi voss, pro-nacist.

Pa saj tole se celo strinjam z njim.

Oboroženi civilist, ki aktivno strelja po vojakih, pa ni več civilist!

Sedaj bo seveda Voss ali Pac-Man pokazal video, ki kaže 24h in 360 stopinjski kot, preverjen iz ruskih in ukrajniskih/MSM virov, da ni bilo nobenega strela iz te stavbe, ki je sedaj uničena!

Če tega ne pokaže je pač tipični lažnivec, ki verjame "fake news".

ker psihopat je tale voss. na nejdem drugih bolj primernih besed za njega.