Ukrajina Part II

l0g1t3ch je 8. mar 2022 ob 08:09 izjavil:

Še vedno čakamo zagovornike putinovega režima, da se preselijo v ta njihov raj.

Iz kavča na zahodu je lahko navijat za putina.

Takoj ko se ti preseliš v Ukrajino.

PrimoZ_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:11 izjavil:

111111111111 je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:10 izjavil:

kow je 8. mar 2022 ob 07:37 izjavil:

Ukrajinci povecujejo stevilko fake zmag. Je njihova vojska ze kar izcrpana, pa dvigujejo moralo. Tako, da je potrebno biti kar previden, pri njihovih trditvah.

Ne. Rusofil. Kako dvomiš o moči Ukrajinske armade. Zelenski je sam postrelil 30 ruskih generalov. :D

Propagandni stroj zahoda deluje s polno paro.

Rusi pa seveda ne delajo propagande ane :)

Seveda delajo propagando, a bodimo odkriti, do danes so v propagandni vojni zmagovali Ukrajinci.

Zato pa je treba vse novice, posebaj twitter novinarje in tudi ruske, ukrajinske in zahodne MSM vzeti konketno z rezervo.

Sam kaj, ko tukaj se večinoma zahodne medije vzame kot zlato, vse ostalo pa kot "fake news".

Propaganda:
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/15...

On February 25, the Ukrainian Army heroically blew up this bridge to slow down the Russian advance. Gerashchenkov boasted on Telegram.
Since then, the 'bombed out' bridge has made headlines for blocking fleeing people. But make it sound like the Russians destroyed the bridge.

Fritz je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:18 izjavil:

Propaganda:
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/15...

On February 25, the Ukrainian Army heroically blew up this bridge to slow down the Russian advance. Gerashchenkov boasted on Telegram.
Since then, the 'bombed out' bridge has made headlines for blocking fleeing people. But make it sound like the Russians destroyed the bridge.

"fake news" spet, Pac-Man je preko svojih twitter virov preveril in s PrimoZ_ se strinjata, da je osebno z medvedom Putler porušil ta most, naj bi medved šel berserk, par virov sicer pravi, da je Zelenski skupaj z duhom in kačjimi vojaki porušil ta most, vendar so te govorice prepovedane v MSM!

AtaŠtumf je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:17 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:11 izjavil:

111111111111 je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:10 izjavil:

kow je 8. mar 2022 ob 07:37 izjavil:

Ukrajinci povecujejo stevilko fake zmag. Je njihova vojska ze kar izcrpana, pa dvigujejo moralo. Tako, da je potrebno biti kar previden, pri njihovih trditvah.

Ne. Rusofil. Kako dvomiš o moči Ukrajinske armade. Zelenski je sam postrelil 30 ruskih generalov. :D

Propagandni stroj zahoda deluje s polno paro.

Rusi pa seveda ne delajo propagande ane :)

Seveda delajo propagando, a bodimo odkriti, do danes so v propagandni vojni zmagovali Ukrajinci.

Zato pa je treba vse novice, posebaj twitter novinarje in tudi ruske, ukrajinske in zahodne MSM vzeti konketno z rezervo.

Sam kaj, ko tukaj se večinoma zahodne medije vzame kot zlato, vse ostalo pa kot "fake news".

Jaz nikjer ne lepim nekih fantazijskih map ali kake propagande kako ukrajinci zmagujejo.

Samo norca se delam in putinovih ritoliznikov in raznih podobnih patronov, ki sicer ne podpirajo putina, ampak...

voss_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:24 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:22 izjavil:

Jaz nikjer ne lepim nekih fantazijskih map ali kake propagande kako ukrajinci zmagujejo.

WTF, Rusofil lahko greš v Rusijo če si tako ponosen na svojega Putina. Samo mi ne jokat če te Ghost of Kijev pošica!

Dej no, selektivno citiranje.

Jaz nikjer ne lepim nekih fantazijskih map ali kake propagande kako ukrajinci zmagujejo.

Samo norca se delam in putinovih ritoliznikov in raznih podobnih patronov, ki sicer ne podpirajo putina, ampak..

PrimoZ_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:28 izjavil:

voss_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:24 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:22 izjavil:

Jaz nikjer ne lepim nekih fantazijskih map ali kake propagande kako ukrajinci zmagujejo.

WTF, Rusofil lahko greš v Rusijo če si tako ponosen na svojega Putina. Samo mi ne jokat če te Ghost of Kijev pošica!

Dej no, selektivno citiranje.

Jaz nikjer ne lepim nekih fantazijskih map ali kake propagande kako ukrajinci zmagujejo.

Samo norca se delam in putinovih ritoliznikov in raznih podobnih patronov, ki sicer ne podpirajo putina, ampak..

sikter v ukrajino supcino

mackilla je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:29 izjavil:

Ko hodiš po ulici imaš občutek,da te Ghost of Kijev zasleduje in si daje skrivne signale z NATO letali?

Saj imam protiraketni ščit.

Kontekst, kako se je NATO pod bajoneti* širil na vzhod.

*(pro)ruskimi bajoneti

https://twitter.com/MattWelch/status/15...

So, 31 years ago today, the debut issue of the first post-communist independent English-language newspaper in the former East Bloc appeared on Prague newsstands.
It was five of us from UCSB’s fab @dailynexus, one brilliant Czech 18-year-old econ dropout, and assorted weirdos. Early ‘90s Prague was obviously a blast, as you can read in my recent @Reason feature, but it was also fraught with conflicts that have direct relevance to our current moment, all played out without benefit of knowing how things would work out in the end.
https://reason.com/2021/11/13/the-anarc...

Our 4th-issue cover story was about the outbreak of war in Yugoslavia, a topic we would cover with on-the-ground correspondents in basically every issue until the paper’s 1995 demise.
It was the ominous background music lurking just within earshot of all the parties. Some of us Gen X kids, thrown into an exciting and complicated world, gorging on the relevant histories, talked ourselves into believing it was “Our generation’s Spanish Civil War.”
We felt helpless, pious outrage that nobody in the “free world” seemed to care about the carnage. Among the young Western stringers on the ground in the stringer-covered Balkans was future United Nations ambassador Samantha Power.
I’ve written about how the experience shaped her (and our) foreign policy perspectives here:
https://reason.com/2019/12/24/the-corru...

I remain convinced that Yugoslavia was a crucial turning point in the West’s post-Cold War order.
The U.S. did not want to be in charge of solving this problem, at all, but the Europeans were a clown car.
Clinton bombing Serbia into Dayton sealed America’s unipolar status.

The NATO bombing of Kosovo, in particular, lowered the bar for U.S. intervention into the affairs of (murderously authoritarian) sovereign countries,
a topic I explore in this 2004 review of books by Madeleine Albright, Wesley Clark, and George Soros:
https://reason.com/2004/05/01/temporary...

...

Our 5th issue was about the attempted August 1991 Soviet coup.
When things were going pear-shaped back in Russia a bunch of college students there somehow located our fax number & started sending us blow-by-blow reports.
It was insane; you couldn’t sleep. The U.S.S.R. soon dissolved (thank Christ), after which there were seemingly endless bloody conflicts in the Near Abroad.
We published something like 108 issues in our run (from monthly to fortnightly to weekly to kaput); two cover stories alone were about Abkhazia. Even things so comparatively benign looking back, like the split of Czechoslovakia, felt nerve-wracking in the moment.
You just didn’t know how things were gonna turn out! Plus, Klaus was a con man, and Mečiar was a thug. Meanwhile, Hungary was going through its own growing pains, personified by the transformation of an ambitious young pol named Viktor Orbán:
“In 1991, FIDESZ discarded the slogan ‘Radical, Liberal and Alternative,’ and replaced it with one…more economical: ‘Pragmatism.’” With the Near Abroad bleeding, Moscow teetering, Yugoslavia on fire, and Western Europe going full Keystone Kops, you can understand why Central Europeans were keen on a security guarantee.
By the time Clinton came to Prague for a NATO summit in Jan. 1994, they were desperate. Clinton’s Partnership for Peace, a not-quite-NATO crafted to assuage Russian sensibilities, was greeted as yet another sellout in Prague and Warsaw.
"We've gone from Chamberlain's umbrella to President Clinton's saxophone," an aide to Lech Walesa told me.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030315183...

It would take five more years, but eventually 3 of the Visegrád 4 members (sorry, Mečiar!) would become the first new NATO entrants since post-Franco Spain.
Reading back some of our old coverage reinforces how much of this was driven by Central Europe, not the U.S. I don’t want to give the misleading impression that the paper was unrelievedly grim.
It was pretty damn loose & funny between the misery. Insane illustrators, comical language guides, a cartoon called “Giant Drunk Guy,” weird @kenlayne drawings of wiener dogs.
But also we were seeing (*takes bong rip*), like, the creation of the future, man. For which I’m grateful (Happy birthday, little dead newspaper!), but also sad, because a bunch of that really sucked.

Anyway, you can unmute me now.

Zelensky for the first time began to discuss the possible recognition of the Crimea and the LDNR

"We can discuss this and find a compromise on how people will live there," the President of Ukraine answered the question about the possibility of recognizing Crimea and the republics of Donbass.

ze se sesuva revez

Rusi so očitno aktivirali vse propagandne in politične kanale, iz nafatlina so privlekli celo janukaviča, da bi prepričali ukrajince v predajo. NA fronti mora iti vse po načrtih.

gazibo je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:48 izjavil:

Zelensky said that he had "cooled" on the issue of Ukraine's entry into NATO, it became clear that the alliance was not ready to accept the country

Menda so pravega Zelenskega ubili Čečeni in ga zamenjali s Kremlinskim klonom.

mackilla je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:40 izjavil:

Ko vidiš ljudi,ki trpijo te začne premagovati nekontrolirani smeh? A dobiš erekcijo?

#allrussians

voss_ je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:51 izjavil:

gazibo je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:48 izjavil:

Zelensky said that he had "cooled" on the issue of Ukraine's entry into NATO, it became clear that the alliance was not ready to accept the country

Menda so pravega Zelenskega ubili Čečeni in ga zamenjali s Kremlinskim klonom.

mackilla je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:40 izjavil:

Ko vidiš ljudi,ki trpijo te začne premagovati nekontrolirani smeh? A dobiš erekcijo?

#allrussians

So Rusi v tem trenutku pri tebi? Ali imaš občutek,da se ti Rusi občasno smejijo za hrbtom?

sparklyslo je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:52 izjavil:

gazibo je 8. mar 2022 ob 10:48 izjavil:

Zelensky said that he had "cooled" on the issue of Ukraine's entry into NATO, it became clear that the alliance was not ready to accept the country

Še en zafrustriran v Sloveniji živeči srb?

Ukrajina bo dobila NATO orožje, Rusija ima močni rubelj ....

Ne biti tak. Razumi jih. NATO jih je tako brcnil,da bodo še naslednjih sedem generacij bolela jajca.

https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/150...

In a Russian fire attack on Chuhuiv, Kharkiv rgn, a shell killed Olga Krasimova, a Russian national who has lived in Ukraine since 2012.
The woman fled Russia but Russia came to her new home for her.

Russian soldiers murder volunteers helping starving animals near Kyiv


At noon on March 4, an SUV drove through the streets of Bucha, formerly a cozy green town near Kyiv, now a hotspot of Russia’s war against Ukraine.
Three people were in the car: Serhiy Ustymenko, 25, a co-founder of a car repair shop, Maxym Kuzmenko, 28, a hookah server, and Anastasia Yalanska, 26, a lead recruiter at an IT company.
Bucha was and remains a dangerous place, now largely controlled by Russian forces. The three young Ukrainians were there on an important mission.
They had just delivered dog food to a dog shelter that had run out of it and were on their way back to pick up Ustymenko’s parents.
They had just nearly made it home. As the car was approaching their house, there was a deafening sound.
A Russian vehicle – witnesses identify it as either a tank or an infantry fighting vehicle – opened fire on the car.
When the shooting stopped, Valeriy Ustymenko, the father of Serhiy, ran to the car. Everyone inside was already dead.
He dragged out the three bodies and took them to his basement, where he has been hiding from the constant shelling, like most people in Bucha.
Three days later, the bodies are still there. Due to shelling, they can’t be buried. Their friends and families can’t say goodbye to their loved ones.
Ustymenko’s father is still in the basement, with the bodies of his son and his son’s two friends.

...

Se zabavate z mrtvimi in razmesarjenimi civili, stremetski et al?

Iz 2014, kar za gaming stol generale seveda ne obstaja.

Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU

A conversation between a State Department official and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine that was posted on YouTube revealed an embarrassing exchange on U.S. strategy for a political transition in that country, including a crude American swipe at the European Union.

l0g1t3ch je 7. mar 2022 ob 23:23 izjavil:

IL_DIAVOLO je 7. mar 2022 ob 23:21 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 7. mar 2022 ob 22:53 izjavil:

Vitez je 7. mar 2022 ob 22:38 izjavil:

Zakaj bi moral kdorkoli s foruma iti v Rusijo, ne razumem. Po tej logiki bi se morali zagovorniki ukrajinskih skrajnežev preseliti v Ukrajino.

Rusofili so nas prvi začeli pošiljat v Ukrajino s kalasnikov v roki.

Pa samo prijazno namignemo, da če jim je tako težko živeti na zahodu, da jih pač mati Rusija čaka odprtih rok.
Pa ni nekega navdušenja da bi se selili.

Kot pravijo ljudje iz naše ruske ekipe.
Enostavno je zagovarjat putinov režim iz kavča v zahodnem svetu.

In navijat dajmo dajmo Ukrajinci. Ne misli, da si kaj bolj koristen, ker si na strani underdoga.

Jaz za razliko od tebe ne grem brcat tistega ki je že na tleh ampak poskušam razganati napadalce oz poklicat pomoč.

Dvomim da te slišijo, kako glasno tipkas po tipkovnici.

Poraz je sicer se vedno poraz, ampak baje je tudi pomembno kako izgubis

IL_DIAVOLO je 8. mar 2022 ob 11:37 izjavil:

Poraz je sicer se vedno poraz, ampak baje je tudi pomembno kako izgubis

Sej si že slišal za pirovo zmago. No taka bo ruska.

Pírova zmága je zmaga s pogubnimi posledicami za zmagovalca. Fraza je aluzija na epirskega kralja Pira, katerega vojska je utrpela nenadomestljive izgube, ko je premagal Rimljane med Pirovo vojno pri Herakleji leta 280 pr. n. št. in Askulu leto kasneje 279 pr. n. št.

Kratek wiki povzetek, za vas bolj omejene.

gozdar1 je 8. mar 2022 ob 11:41 izjavil:

Putin je dosegel točno tisto, kar ni želel niti v sanjah. Po letih hibridne vojne in razbijanju eu je praktično v trenutku poenotil eu.
Edini, ki so mu ostali je par teoretikov zarot in pa par ljudi na skrajni levi in desni, ki pa predstavljajo marginalce.

Ljudje z katastrofalno nisko samopodobo. V življenju niso dosegli nič in v uteho iščejo vzornika,ki se jim zdi močan in se poizkušajo z njim identificirati. Pač,če si izguba sanjaš,kako bi bilo če bi imel za prijatelja superjunaka. Napol odrasel folk ampak z mentaliteto in umom sedemletnega otroka.