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Ukrajina Part II
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BlaY0 ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Ker begunci ki so prišli v Slo so bili sila nezadovoljni in bili celo pripravljeni iti nazaj v Ukrajino.
Ukrajinci niso kompatibilni z evropsko kulturo
Je rekel kdo?
Pac-Man ::
Ti pa jih razumeš, ker si Ukrajinec?
Mislim da jih, ker sem 8 let bolj ali manj aktivno v tej sceni.
To, video
https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1...
Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill unsurprisingly endorsing Putin’s narrative on Ukraine in a sermon today.
According to him the West essentially organises genocide campaigns against countries that refuse to stage gay parades
in to, nit
https://twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status...
This is extremely, mind-blowingly ludicrous and insane, but also important. It may blow your Western minds, but millions upon millions of Russians have internalized this worldview.
In fact, this requires a 🧵 to explain what exactly many Russians feel they need to fight for...
...
But now, this resentment has also been fueled by the fact that XXI-century Europe is a radically different place from the idealized Europe of the Russians' imaginations. Today's Paris is nothing like the Paris of Victor Hugo's novels we all grew up reading...
Today's French national team is almost entirely black (you will be amazed how much this bothers many Russian soccer fans). Today's London has thousands of mosques and very few Victorian detectives. Today's Berlin has pride parades instead of displays of military might...
Among all this, Russians feel bewildered and lost. They want a Europe where "traditional values" rule. Where men are men and women are women. Where white people are supreme, because "it's their continent", where Christianity is the one true faith.
And where Russia is revered...
And they are incredibly angry that Europe refuses to be like that. So, they have decided, to hell with Europe. We will build our own paradise, with churches on every corner, beat the gays into submission, and everyone will want to live like us eventually...
And this would've been a sustainable alternate reality, except for one thing: Ukraine.
Ukrainians, their closest cultural buddies (there are Serbs, too, but, sorry, they just aren't the same), have rejected "The Russian World", first in 2004, then in 2014. Loudly. Fiercely.
Ukraine (which has plenty of inherited post-Soviet issues of its own, of course) has made it clear it wants to go in the Western direction. It wants democracy. It wants openness. It wants individual freedoms instead of a repressive state. It wants to be able to change its rulers.
...
They framed the 2014 invasion as an attempt to save Ukraine from evil American vultures, to shield it from the harmful radiation of the Western pseudo-values.
But, seeing that after eight years, Ukraine's resolve has only hardened, they have abandoned concern for anger. For rage.
Ukraine must no longer be saved. It has to pay now. Not for "the children of Donbas" (please, pro-Putin Russians have very little sympathy for anyone's children, when they stand in the way for Motherland's Glory), but for rejecting The Russian World.
For betraying Nationality and electing a Jewish president.
For spurning Orthodoxy and wanting gay parades.
For overthrowing Autocracy and choosing democracy.
Never mind that many Ukrainians are as bigoted as many Russians are, and that Ukrainian democracy is indeed quite corrupt
...
So, Russians do what they always do when outnumbered, cornered, forced to face being wrong: lash out, angrily and defiantly.
You don't wanna live like us, Ukraine? Well, how about we bomb your ass right into the mud and then fucking make you! Why? Because fuck you, that's why.
There is a lot of relief in throwing off all restraints and just letting oneself rave and lay waste to everything. Because they have rejected me.
Because they have misunderstood me. Because they couldn't see how great I actually am.
Russia, right now, is a fucking school shooter.
And Ukraine is Columbine.
This all ends predictably.
The only question is how many will perish before it does.
I am done.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
dice7 ::
Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill unsurprisingly endorsing Putin’s narrative on Ukraine in a sermon today.
Pravoslavstvo je religija miru, rusi so na mirovni misiji
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BorutO ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Ker begunci ki so prišli v Slo so bili sila nezadovoljni in bili celo pripravljeni iti nazaj v Ukrajino.
Ukrajinci niso kompatibilni z evropsko kulturo
Resno? A so ukrajinci iz arabskega sveta? Ukrajinci so čisto isti kot mi slovenci, avstrijci ipd. Edino nekateri ga radi cukajo .. no, saj to ni nič takega, mamo štajersko, pa dolenjsko, ki je že 0,5 promila v luftu, korenci pa itak tudi že prekašajo počasi oni dve regiji ....
endelin ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Ker begunci ki so prišli v Slo so bili sila nezadovoljni in bili celo pripravljeni iti nazaj v Ukrajino.
Ukrajinci niso kompatibilni z evropsko kulturo
Slab troll
TezkoDihanje ::
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/15...
Another video of an aircraft shot down over Kharkiv
Danes drugi al pa že tretji.
Another video of an aircraft shot down over Kharkiv
Danes drugi al pa že tretji.
korenje3 ::
Kaj je sedaj s turškimi droni?
nč. rusi jih hitreje sestreljujejo kot jih turki dostavljajo. cca 60 sesteljenih turških dronov v 10 dneh.
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BorutO ::
To še bo veselo, če bodo američani dali ukrajincem reaktivce ... Hitlerju se bo zmešalo. Mogel bo pohiteti do Kijeva, če ne bodo moglo pohiteti nazaj domov ...
korenje3 ::
To še bo veselo, če bodo američani dali ukrajincem reaktivce ... Hitlerju se bo zmešalo. Mogel bo pohiteti do Kijeva, če ne bodo moglo pohiteti nazaj domov ...
so ameriški lovci kej posebnega?
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gozdar1 ::
Sploh ni govora o ameriških lovcih. Ukrajinci nimajo kaj početi z njimi, ker nimajo pilotov, ki bi znali leteti z njimi.
TezkoDihanje ::
Voss ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
Kaj je sedaj s turškimi droni?
nč. rusi jih hitreje sestreljujejo kot jih turki dostavljajo. cca 60 sesteljenih turških dronov v 10 dneh.
Toliko jih Ukrajinci sploh niso imeli.
Sej to. Lažnivi korenček.
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BorutO ::
Američani bi mogli dati par predatorjev ukrajincem ... oz jih sami zbombardirati, potem pa reči, da so to ukrajinci naredili ...
gozdar1 ::
A bejž ... a prej so pa letali s pilatusi?
Ne z lovci sovjetke proizvodnje pa, zato je tudi govora o letalih, ki se trenutno nahajajo v vzhodnih članicah nata.
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Reycis ::
Ti pa jih razumeš, ker si Ukrajinec?
Mislim da jih, ker sem 8 let bolj ali manj aktivno v tej sceni.
To, video
https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1...
Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill unsurprisingly endorsing Putin’s narrative on Ukraine in a sermon today.
According to him the West essentially organises genocide campaigns against countries that refuse to stage gay parades
in to, nit
https://twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status...
This is extremely, mind-blowingly ludicrous and insane, but also important. It may blow your Western minds, but millions upon millions of Russians have internalized this worldview.
In fact, this requires a 🧵 to explain what exactly many Russians feel they need to fight for...
...
But now, this resentment has also been fueled by the fact that XXI-century Europe is a radically different place from the idealized Europe of the Russians' imaginations. Today's Paris is nothing like the Paris of Victor Hugo's novels we all grew up reading...
Today's French national team is almost entirely black (you will be amazed how much this bothers many Russian soccer fans). Today's London has thousands of mosques and very few Victorian detectives. Today's Berlin has pride parades instead of displays of military might...
Among all this, Russians feel bewildered and lost. They want a Europe where "traditional values" rule. Where men are men and women are women. Where white people are supreme, because "it's their continent", where Christianity is the one true faith.
And where Russia is revered...
And they are incredibly angry that Europe refuses to be like that. So, they have decided, to hell with Europe. We will build our own paradise, with churches on every corner, beat the gays into submission, and everyone will want to live like us eventually...
And this would've been a sustainable alternate reality, except for one thing: Ukraine.
Ukrainians, their closest cultural buddies (there are Serbs, too, but, sorry, they just aren't the same), have rejected "The Russian World", first in 2004, then in 2014. Loudly. Fiercely.
Ukraine (which has plenty of inherited post-Soviet issues of its own, of course) has made it clear it wants to go in the Western direction. It wants democracy. It wants openness. It wants individual freedoms instead of a repressive state. It wants to be able to change its rulers.
...
They framed the 2014 invasion as an attempt to save Ukraine from evil American vultures, to shield it from the harmful radiation of the Western pseudo-values.
But, seeing that after eight years, Ukraine's resolve has only hardened, they have abandoned concern for anger. For rage.
Ukraine must no longer be saved. It has to pay now. Not for "the children of Donbas" (please, pro-Putin Russians have very little sympathy for anyone's children, when they stand in the way for Motherland's Glory), but for rejecting The Russian World.
For betraying Nationality and electing a Jewish president.
For spurning Orthodoxy and wanting gay parades.
For overthrowing Autocracy and choosing democracy.
Never mind that many Ukrainians are as bigoted as many Russians are, and that Ukrainian democracy is indeed quite corrupt
...
So, Russians do what they always do when outnumbered, cornered, forced to face being wrong: lash out, angrily and defiantly.
You don't wanna live like us, Ukraine? Well, how about we bomb your ass right into the mud and then fucking make you! Why? Because fuck you, that's why....
There is a lot of relief in throwing off all restraints and just letting oneself rave and lay waste to everything. Because they have rejected me.
Because they have misunderstood me. Because they couldn't see how great I actually am.
Russia, right now, is a fucking school shooter.
And Ukraine is Columbine.
This all ends predictably.
The only question is how many will perish before it does.
I am done.
Tudi jaz vidim zadeve tako. Vseeno za ta cilj Putin ni rabil napasti Ukrajine kljub ruski manjšini. Samo moral bi biti dober vzgled in čakati na svojo priložnost. Mađare je že praktično imel na svoji strani in kmalu bi sledili tudi drugi. Imperij laži se seseda. Realno, Evropa potrebuje nekega velikega sposobnega voditelja - svojega Putina.
Diversity is our greatest strength
Voss ::
endelin ::
Nato bi moral uničit en ruski konvoj. Da se vidi reakcija. Še vedno se lahko zgovarjaš na rusofile da hočejo zanetit vojno met Nato in Ruskim imperijem. Treba igrat umazano, Kot Putler
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TezkoDihanje ::
fikus_ ::
To še bo veselo, če bodo američani dali ukrajincem reaktivce ... Hitlerju se bo zmešalo. Mogel bo pohiteti do Kijeva, če ne bodo moglo pohiteti nazaj domov ...
Kdo jih bo pilotiral? Američani?
Kje so oni mig29, za katere so bili EU politiki glasni, da jih bodo dostavili v ukr?
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
TezkoDihanje ::
Voss ::
To še bo veselo, če bodo američani dali ukrajincem reaktivce ... Hitlerju se bo zmešalo. Mogel bo pohiteti do Kijeva, če ne bodo moglo pohiteti nazaj domov ...
Kdo jih bo pilotiral? Američani?
Kje so oni mig29, za katere so bili EU politiki glasni, da jih bodo dostavili v ukr?
Poljska bo donirala mige, američani pa Poljakom F-16.
In še enkrat: verjamem, da so v obdobju 2014-2022 se Ukrajinski piloti urili tudi z Ameriškimi lovci.
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TezkoDihanje ::
To še bo veselo, če bodo američani dali ukrajincem reaktivce ... Hitlerju se bo zmešalo. Mogel bo pohiteti do Kijeva, če ne bodo moglo pohiteti nazaj domov ...
Kdo jih bo pilotiral? Američani?
Kje so oni mig29, za katere so bili EU politiki glasni, da jih bodo dostavili v ukr?
https://www.rtvslo.si/svet/evropa/blink...
Chalky ::
Američani bi mogli dati par predatorjev ukrajincem ... oz jih sami zbombardirati, potem pa reči, da so to ukrajinci naredili ...
Saj ali je sploh možno ugotoviti kdo vodi dron oziroma iz katere baze ga opravljajo? Če se ne motim je takrat tisti dron ki je likvidiral Sulemanija bil voden iz Nevade (Creech Air Force Base).
Maxlos ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
A jih rabijo... Vsi so na odprtem... 250kg exploziva naredi dovolj škode da ni potrebno orati...
V mestu, so pa Ukrajici sami objavili, da so oboroženi, tako da.... veliko sreče.
Rusi tega ne rabijo. V Čečeniji tega tudi niso rabili. Pa v Siriji tudi ne.
Suka bljat. do pravih ciljev bombe sam Putin.
Precizno orožje rabiš zgolj za Target kiling.
Mark 82 bomba kar je nekaj majhnega naredi smrtno območje 2400 m2.
Tako da moraš biti retardirano prizadet, da boš delal close air support na razdalji, ko je AK47 učinkovit iz višine nad dosegom manpad-ov.
Ampakj ja ti bo naš nati cepilec Nodi povedal kako in kaj, se zgodi ko ti spustijo Mk84.
mackilla ::
To še bo veselo, če bodo američani dali ukrajincem reaktivce ... Hitlerju se bo zmešalo. Mogel bo pohiteti do Kijeva, če ne bodo moglo pohiteti nazaj domov ...
so ameriški lovci kej posebnega?
A še kar zagovarjaš ta ruski šrot? Američani jim zatolčejo ta klump tako kot zatolče kitajski kuhar trop mačk.
Chalky ::
Verjetno je možno ugotoviti iz katere baze je poletel, ampak kdo ga pa vodi pa verjetno izjemno težko, sploh če je voden iz ZDA.
PrihajaNodi ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Ker begunci ki so prišli v Slo so bili sila nezadovoljni in bili celo pripravljeni iti nazaj v Ukrajino.
Ukrajinci niso kompatibilni z evropsko kulturo
Resno? A so ukrajinci iz arabskega sveta? Ukrajinci so čisto isti kot mi slovenci, avstrijci ipd. Edino nekateri ga radi cukajo .. no, saj to ni nič takega, mamo štajersko, pa dolenjsko, ki je že 0,5 promila v luftu, korenci pa itak tudi že prekašajo počasi oni dve regiji ....
Daleč od tega. Kriminalci vsi po spisku, ženske pa paraziti.
#OstaniDoma
#StaiAcasa
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#SpikajmoSEvsi
kingsix ::
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Pa jim je kdo povedal, da EU niso sedma nebesa?
Jim je povsem jasno in tega niti ne pričakujejo. Še enkrat, pod nobenim pogojem nočejo postati druga Belorusija kot za njih planirajo v Kremlju.
Malo prebiral zadnje strani... Pac-Man ima popolnoma prav.
Pa se citat kaj sem zapisal konec januarja, ki sedaj očitno drži.
Ne morem verjet, da so tukaj nekateri dejansko na strani Rusije. Wow.
No kakorkoli, sem imel priložnost preživet nekaj časa v Ukrajini v zadnjem letu in niti tamkajšnji Rusi niso na strani Rusije, kaj šele Ukrajinci. A pazite, mamo Slovence ki to so.. Hahaha.
Drugače pa se Ukrajinci že lep čas zavedajo Oz verjamejo, da bo jih Rusija napadla in je v zadnjih letih ogromno moških naredilo vojaško usposabljanje ter nabavilo orožje, da bodo branili domovino. Za nji ni "če" ampak "kdaj". Na hitro če pomislim od cca 20 moških ki poznam jih ima sedaj orožje 15.
Če jih Rusija napade, ne bodo naleteli le na odpor vojske, ampak na odpor ljudi.
Kdorkoli bi bil v Ukrajini in se malo pogovarjal z Ukrajinci bi vedel da nočejo imet nič z Ruskimi smetmi.
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-vx- ::
IL_DIAVOLO je danes ob 17:04:20 izjavil:
Pa jim je kdo povedal, da EU niso sedma nebesa?
Preseli se že v putinova nebesa oziroma lukašenkova če ti je bliže
Oh, se en crno-bel. Naj ti povem skrivnost: to, da ne kdo nekaj kritizira, ne pomeni, da je zanj diametralno nasprotje boljse. Pomeni samo, da nekaj kritizira.
Ukrajina: freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
korenje3 ::
Turška letala non stop dostavljajo svoje drone na češko. Tako da gre za neomejen supply dronov.
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endelin ::
PrihajaNodi je izjavil:
Daleč od tega. Kriminalci vsi po spisku, ženske pa paraziti.
Haha če nisi dobil za fuk** še niso paraziti
fikus_ ::
Turška letala non stop dostavljajo svoje drone na češko. Tako da gre za neomejen supply dronov.
Kdo jih plačuje? EU?
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
korenje3 ::
jap.
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-vx- ::
PrihajaNodi je izjavil:
IL_DIAVOLO je izjavil:
Ker begunci ki so prišli v Slo so bili sila nezadovoljni in bili celo pripravljeni iti nazaj v Ukrajino.
Ukrajinci niso kompatibilni z evropsko kulturo
Resno? A so ukrajinci iz arabskega sveta? Ukrajinci so čisto isti kot mi slovenci, avstrijci ipd. Edino nekateri ga radi cukajo .. no, saj to ni nič takega, mamo štajersko, pa dolenjsko, ki je že 0,5 promila v luftu, korenci pa itak tudi že prekašajo počasi oni dve regiji ....
Daleč od tega. Kriminalci vsi po spisku, ženske pa paraziti.
Ja, saj ti je povedal, da isto kot slovenci.
Ukrajina: freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
LeQuack ::
"A mother & 2 children were killed and father wounded by a mortar shell as hundreds of civilians sought safety."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/worl...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/worl...
Quack !
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endelin ::
Hvala Turki za drone ki iz konvoja naredijo šiškebab
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-vx- ::
"A mother & 2 children were killed and father wounded by a mortar shell as hundreds of civilians sought safety."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/worl...
In zdaj bojo novodobne hippijevske snezinke spet zarele, plamenele, tocili solze, z jadikovanjem prebijali bobencke,... ker so ravnokar prvic ugotovili, da se od vojne tudi umre.
Hvala Turki za drone ki iz konvoja naredijo šiškebab
Bravo Turki, dobro ste naredili, vojna se je zaradi vas se malo podaljsala, bombe so se malo povecale in civilno prebivalstvo bo se malo bolj trpelo.
Ukrajina: freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
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endelin ::
"A mother & 2 children were killed and father wounded by a mortar shell as hundreds of civilians sought safety."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/worl...
In zdaj bojo novodobne hippijevske snezinke spet zarele, plamenele, tocili solze, z jadikovanjem prebijali bobencke,... ker so ravnokar prvic ugotovili, da se od vojne tudi umre.
Baje Putin cilja samo vojaške objekte. Izgleda so v Ukrajini vse vasi in mesta vojaški objekti.
Putler must die!
-vx- ::
"A mother & 2 children were killed and father wounded by a mortar shell as hundreds of civilians sought safety."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/worl...
In zdaj bojo novodobne hippijevske snezinke spet zarele, plamenele, tocili solze, z jadikovanjem prebijali bobencke,... ker so ravnokar prvic ugotovili, da se od vojne tudi umre.
Baje Putin cilja samo vojaške objekte. Izgleda so v Ukrajini vse vasi in mesta vojaški objekti.
Putler must die!
Pravzaprav, ce je na lokaciji stacionirana vojska, gre za vojaske objekte, ne glede ali so na vasi ali mestu.
https://casebook.icrc.org/glossary/civi...
Any object which is not a military objective.
A civilian object must not be attacked unless it is used in a way that renders it a military objective. It may not be the target of reprisals.
In case of doubt whether an object which is normally a civilian object (e.g., a place of worship, a house or other dwellings, a school) is a military objective, it must be considered as a civilian object.
https://casebook.icrc.org/glossary/mili...
“Military objectives” are limited to those objects which:
- by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action, and
- whose partial or total destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.
Ukrajina: freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
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mackilla ::
"A mother & 2 children were killed and father wounded by a mortar shell as hundreds of civilians sought safety."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/worl...
In zdaj bojo novodobne hippijevske snezinke spet zarele, plamenele, tocili solze, z jadikovanjem prebijali bobencke,... ker so ravnokar prvic ugotovili, da se od vojne tudi umre.
Hvala Turki za drone ki iz konvoja naredijo šiškebab
Bravo Turki, dobro ste naredili, vojna se je zaradi vas se malo podaljsala, bombe so se malo povecale in civilno prebivalstvo bo se malo bolj trpelo.
A ti snežinka pa točiš solze za Palestince?
korenje3 ::
"A mother & 2 children were killed and father wounded by a mortar shell as hundreds of civilians sought safety."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/worl...
In zdaj bojo novodobne hippijevske snezinke spet zarele, plamenele, tocili solze, z jadikovanjem prebijali bobencke,... ker so ravnokar prvic ugotovili, da se od vojne tudi umre.
Baje Putin cilja samo vojaške objekte. Izgleda so v Ukrajini vse vasi in mesta vojaški objekti.
Putler must die!
Odkar so delili orožje med civiliste so vsi oboroženi, ki steljajo na naše ruse, tarča.
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BorutO ::
To še bo veselo, če bodo američani dali ukrajincem reaktivce ... Hitlerju se bo zmešalo. Mogel bo pohiteti do Kijeva, če ne bodo moglo pohiteti nazaj domov ...
so ameriški lovci kej posebnega?
Glede na to, da američani v kitajskem morju niso dovolili priti niti blizu strmoglavljenega f35 v morju, ko je padel iz letalonosilke, potem veš, da nekaj posebnega že je. In glede na to, da so ga dokaj hitro dvignili iz morja američani, očitno res niso hoteli, da pride tehnologija nekomu v roke. Sicer pa, od kar jim je v srbiji strmoglavil neviden bombnik, imajo rusi tudi stealth tegnologijo, katero so skopirali od bombnika, ki jim ga je podarila srbija ... Tako kot atomsko bombo, isto so mogli skopirati od američanov, ker sami je niso bili sposobni sestaviti - dva ameriška državljana oz. ruska vohuna sta takrat sovjetski zvezi predala načrte za izdelavo jedrskega orožja ... ko sta bila spoznana za kriva, so ju kmalu obsodili na smrt.