Obvezno cepljenje otrok - Mnenja za in proti?

Matjaz4 je 14. apr 2012 ob 18:40 izjavil:

Ne morem pomagat:

Ziga Dolhar: Pravila. Zaželena je argumentirana debata.

Okapi je 14. apr 2012 ob 17:55 izjavil:

O tem, da si dosmrtno imun na ošpice, je splošen konsenz,

Da je cepljenje koristno, je splošen konsenz. Nekaj odstotkov čudakov in zanikovalcev znanosti tega ne spremeni.

O.

vpraško je 14. apr 2012 ob 19:32 izjavil:

Ne-Cepljenje pa nikakor ne sme biti kaznivo dejanje.

vpraško je 14. apr 2012 ob 19:32 izjavil:

Vključila sem se nepristransko z nekaterimi vprašanji, ja kot laik, ki pa zna mislit s svojo glavo.

Točno tako in tam se naučijo, da je v tej starosti hepatitis B še znanstvena fantastika in, če zares poslušajo in razumejo kaj in zakaj se ljubimo oz. sexamo, ne potrebujemo nobenih cepiv.

Matjaz4 je 14. apr 2012 ob 22:27 izjavil:

IceIceBaby: Veš, da sploh nisem opazil, da si dejansko ti odprl to temo. Odločitev ali boš dal tvojega otroka cepit ali ne je popolnoma tvoja in zato predlagam, da se namesto foruma posvetiš iskanje kaj tebi (vam) najbolj ustreza sam s čim manj forumi. Sam poznam veliko parov (znanci, sodelavci, poslovni partnerji), ki imajo tako cepljene in necepljene otroke. Če nardim hitri povzetek mojega opazovanja lahko rečem, da so takorekoč vsi otroci, ki so necepljeni in jih poznam zelo "zdravi" napram svojim cepljenim vrstnikom oz. raje rečem nekako v boljšem stanju (manj prehladov, vnetih ušes, manj izostanka iz vrtcev, maj svečk iz nosa, dobra prebava in apetit, brez težav dojenja, brez potrebe po antibiotikih, mogoče celo hitrejši napredek v vsem) ne poznam pa tudi nobenega s težjimi oblikami kake bolezni. Moram pa reči, da razen nekaj (3), tudi ne poznam osebno veliko cepljenih, ki bi imeli težje bolezni razen ravno kontra situacije zadev naštetih predhodno v oklepaju (vnetja ušes....). Sam imam sam 4 otroke 2 cepljena 2 necepljena. 2 je žal dobil posledice, ki jih čutimo še danes zato druga 2 nista bila cepljena.
Na drugi strani zaradi službe kjer veliko veliko potujem lahko rečem, da je zunaj naših meja odnos do cepljenja po mojih izkušnjah drugačen, so zagovorniki kot nasprotniki vendar mislim, da ne eni ne drugi niso tako črno-beli kot pri nas oz. je popolnoma normalno, če nekdo ni cepljen. Ker imam največ izkušenj s CH vem, da tam nekateri pediatri celo vprašajo kaj starš želi, tudi odgovornost zdravnikov je drugačna. V italiji v Udinah imajo pediatri, ki niso 100% pristaši cepljenja celo svoje društvo.
Zgoraj navedeno je zgolj moja izkušnja in moja opažanja.
Skratka s partnerico se odločita sama pa naj bo karkoli. Verjetno se bosta odločila za tisto kar bosta ugotovila, da je po vajini presoji za vajinega otroka najbolše.

Del sporočila IVZ , 11.04.2012 se glasi:
Pred ošpicami so zaščiteni:
1) rojeni pred letom 1960;

mirage je 14. apr 2012 ob 21:28 izjavil:

Ustavno sodišče je presodilo, da obvezno cepljenje NI v nasprotju z ustavo.

In 2002 an outbreak of Varicella (Chickenpox) occurred in a US daycare centre for fully vaccinated children. Varicella developed in 25 of 88 children (28.4 percent) between December 1, 2000, and January 11, 2001. A case occurred in a healthy child who had been vaccinated three years previously and who infected more than 50 percent of his classmates who had no history of varicella. The effectiveness of the vaccine was 44.0 percent against disease of any severity.Children who had been vaccinated three years or more before the outbreak were at greater risk for vaccine failure than those who had been vaccinated more recently.
Conclusions: In this outbreak, vaccination provided poor protection
against varicella. Longer interval since vaccination was associated with an increased risk of vaccine failure. Breakthrough infections in vaccinated, healthy persons can be as infectious as varicella in unvaccinated persons. (Outbreak of Varicella at a Day-Care Centre despite Vaccination)

Is Herd Immunity Real?

In the original description of herd immunity, the protection to the population at large occurred only if people contracted the infections naturally. The reason for this is that naturally-acquired immunity lasts for a lifetime. The vaccine proponents quickly latched onto this concept and applied it to vaccine-induced immunity. But, there was one major problem – vaccine-induced immunity lasted for only a relatively short period, from 2 to 10 years at most, and then this applies only to humoral immunity. This is why they began, silently, to suggest boosters for most vaccines, even the common childhood infections such as chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella.

Then they discovered an even greater problem, the boosters were lasting for only 2 years or less. This is why we are now seeing mandates that youth entering colleges have multiple vaccines, even those which they insisted gave lifelong immunity, such as the MMR. The same is being suggested for full-grown adults. Ironically, no one in the media or medical field is asking what is going on. They just accept that it must be done.

That vaccine-induced herd immunity is mostly myth can be proven quite simply. When I was in medical school, we were taught that all of the childhood vaccines lasted a lifetime. This thinking existed for over 70 years. It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given. What this means is that at least half the population, that is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life. In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for decades.

If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95%. Yet, we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50% or less of the population having vaccine protection. That is, herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades and no resurgent epidemics have occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations.

Without the mantra of herd immunity, these public-health officials would not be able to justify forced mass vaccinations. I usually give the physicians who question my statement that herd immunity is a myth a simple example. When I was a medical student almost 40 years ago, it was taught that the tetanus vaccine would last a lifetime. Then 30 years after it had been mandated, we discovered that its protection lasted no more than 10 years. Then, I ask my doubting physician if he or she has ever seen a case of tetanus? Most have not. I then tell them to look at the yearly data on tetanus infections - one sees no rise in tetanus cases. The same can be said for measles, mumps, and other childhood infections. It was, and still is, all a myth.

Magic1 je 14. apr 2012 ob 18:45 izjavil:

Haha dobra:DD

Drugače pa: od kje vam podatek, da cepivo deluje le 5 let?
Ti pidobiš protitelesa, pri nekaterih ostanejo v dosti velikem številu, pri nekaterih pa raven pade pod neko mero, ki so jo določil in take je potrebno še enkrat cepit(ne trikrat,kot je v začetku potrebno), zato da se jim raven dvigne.
Nisi ti po 5 letih, kot da nebi bil cepljen nikoli...

Sam da je en doktor v bližini pa se vse vaše arguente v sekundi ubije!

Magic1 je 14. apr 2012 ob 21:21 izjavil:

In kaj je tukaj protiustavnega, če je obvezno ceplenje?