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SSD za sistemski disk

SSD za sistemski disk

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iloveboobz ::

nasnem driverje za čipset iz intel strani....

Jst ::

Verjetno je težava v HD Tune programu. V Device Managerju piše UDMA 6, v HDTune pa 5.

Ne poznam pa kakšnega ukaza, ki bi prikazal stanje diskov v Win7 cmd.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|

jnce ::

Veron je izjavil:

jnce je izjavil:

Kateri SSD 128GB priporočate za sistemski disk v prenosniku?

Samsung 830. Par strani samo o tem piše :)

Se pravi da bi bil to ta: http://www.mimovrste.com/artikel/206015...

Veron ::

da.

jst sm dons naroču tole -> http://www.pixmania.si/si/uk/11827478/a...

jnce ::

sem videl da obstaja tudi nek notebook kit.. se splača doplačat ali ne?

Jst ::

Intel Download Center mi meče page not found. Pa sem zagnal avtomatsko iskanje.

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Chipset driverji so OK.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|

Jst ::

Benckmark, po inštalaciji sistema:



Inštaliral sem "Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology Driver Software V11.1.0.1006 for Windows XP/7" iz ASUSove strani za plato.

Device Manager sedaj zgleda tako:



Nekaj stvari je izginilo, ne vidim več, kje imam priklopljene diske.

AMPAK.

Poglejte benchmark:



Izboljšanje! (Ampak pri takšnih hitrostih je itak vseeno.)
edit: 4K Write skoraj 2x hitreje! /edit

Ampak v HD Tune mi še vedno piše UDMA 5 in ne 6...
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|

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BlaY0 ::

No zdaj sem jaz dobil tega Samsunga 830. Dam notri, zalaufam, udkucam 'blktool /dev/sda sector-sz' in dobim nazaj 512. WTF? A ni bilo rečeno, da imajo vsi SSD-ji in vsi diski mlajši od 2010 4k sektorje???

Dr_M ::

Nop. Meni kaze nek intelov management tool 512 za Samsunga 830 in Intela G2.

BlaY0 ::

V čem je pa fora???

SplitCookie ::

512 here
SplitCookie> Prevoziš RDEČO ! jype> Ja? A to je kaj posebnega?
Ramon dekers> Ječa je lahko naravno okolje potem ko se adaptiraš.
jype> CPP ne spoštujem _NIKOLI_

Jst ::

Same here. Sem bil zelo začuden in si mislil, da narobe kaže.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|

Jst ::

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Še nekaj:

Še vedno se priporoča, da disku pustiš ene 10% free prostora. V Samsung Magician imaš opcijo "Over Provisioning." Jaz sem že pri ustvarjanju particije pusil 20GB prostora frej.

Isto sem naredil z Intelom takrat.

Sem mislim, da ko se najnovejši SSDji nafilajo, da ni več performance dropa, ampak na Samsungovi strani vseeno priporočajo, da pustiš nekaj prostora frej, da bo tako SSD lažje (/dlje) držal performance, kot ga dosiš pri praznem pogonu.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|

BlaY0 ::

Jst je izjavil:

Same here. Sem bil zelo začuden in si mislil, da narobe kaže.

To je čista bedarija, kaj ti pol pomagajo hude IOPS performace, ki jih oglašujejo, če maš pa 128kB erase bloke razbite na 512B sektorje potem jih pa nazaj zlagaš v klastre. To je spet nateg stoletja.

He he, dobra fora, če ti manjka IOPS performasa za statistiko, enostavno uvedeš nov logical layer, razbiješ erase bloke še na manjše čanke in si zmagal. Disk je sicer počasen, ma pa zato ful hude IOPS performanse ;((

Jst je izjavil:


Še vedno se priporoča, da disku pustiš ene 10% free prostora. V Samsung Magician imaš opcijo "Over Provisioning." Jaz sem že pri ustvarjanju particije pusil 20GB prostora frej.

Po moje to zadaj kontroler izvaja nek mambo-đambo, ki itak ni nikjer dokumentiran. Spet marketing za hype... prodajaš 128GB disk in hkrati priporočaš, da folk pušča 20GB neparticioniranga. Kul ;((

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mrazek365 ::

LP

Kupil sem http://www.computercenter.si/computerce... in me zanima kako z namestitvijo ssd diska v ta model... piše, da moraš dokupit neki acer kit za disk... Ve kdo kaki so stroški tega?

amigo_no1 ::

Kit je neka plastika (+ kak vijak), ki zapolni prostor, tako da je ssd fiksiran.

razlika v ceni je vtem primeru 10E
http://geizhals.at/740867
http://geizhals.at/682613

Zoro3 ::

@mrazek365

Mislim, da je cena tega kit-a nekje 20€.

Jst ::

Moja sestrična ima istega, samo da je v temno rdeči barvi (sem farbenblint, tako, da ne vem, kako se tej barvi reče - kostanjeva, mogoče?), je full lep in ko ga je naročila, sem ji priporočal, naj se zmeni brez HDDja in z SDDjem. Tako so tudi naredili. Kam so ga pa vklopili, pa ne vem. Tako ima samo SDD, cena je bila pa v bistvu enaka. 20EUR višja z 256GB SSD.

edit: verjetno gre za drug model, ker ima drugo grafično, ampak ostale specifikacije so pa enake.
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|

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medenko ::

pomoje tale kit je fino un kabel, ko priklopiš disk zunaj prenosnika, da zadevo pred vgradnjo tudi sprobaš?

Zoro3 ::

Ne to ni to, prostor še je za 1 disk zraven tistega, ki je že vgrajen. Dokupit moreš kao neko železo, da ga lahko priviješ in potem še fiksiraš :)

medenko ::

se dobi kje posebej ta kabel? gledam 180gb intel 330 za 130€ preveč ugodna cena :)

Kato ::

Lep pozdrav

Potrebujem pomoč pri nakupu ssd-ja. To je moj prvi ssd tako ,da ne vem na kaj moram biti pozoren. Iščem pa zanesljiv , hiter, po možnosti poceni disk. Vgradil ga bom v prenosnik Asus n56vz. Rabil bi pa nekoliko večjo kapaciteto. To bo moj edini disk (zaenkrat, razmišljam tudi o zamenjavi dvd enote za HDD) tako ,da rabim kakšnih 80gb za sistem , rabil bi pa še kakšnih 100gb za media.

Najraje bi kupil disk v sloveniji, ne vem kako je z uveljavljanjem garancije pri nakupu iz tujine. Pred časom sem prebral ,da so ssd-ji zelo nezanesljivi , ali je to še vedno res?

Kako je z migracijo podatkov s starega diska, rad bi premaknil sistem , imam originalne windows nimam pa inštalacijskega dvd-ja?

Torej katere diske predlagate (zanesljivost je na prvem mestu)?

Gledal sem pa :
http://geizhals.at/eu/630770

http://geizhals.at/eu/740876

http://www.funtech.si/si/vsi-oddelki/ko...

medenko ::

migracijo ti naredi software sam, intel 330 180gb ustreza tvojim željam....139€...lahko pa 256gb samsung 830.

amigo_no1 ::

Stran od ocz vertex 3.

medenko ::

iloveboobz ::

medenko je izjavil:

jao :)

Crucial V4 256GB 2.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive [CT256V4SSD2] :D

angleži kje ste? jaykay ? 8-)

PHISON...

Bolje in ceneje
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info....
res pa je da je zloglasni vertex3, sam je pa toggle nand :D

Kato ::

Mislim ,da mi tale intel ne odgovorja. Pogledal sem namreč koliko prostora imam zasedenega.
C: sistemska particija (80GB zasedenega, s tem ,da je relativno nov računalnik in moram še inštalirati AutoCAD, imam tudi eno igro na c-ju)
D: zasedenega imam circa 100GB

Tako da je 180 gb premalo , s tem da v resnici ni 180gb ampak circa 10% manj. Tako da rabim večjega.

kmetek ::

potem 240/256...

Dr_M ::

Kato ::

Torej 160€ plus 15€ poštnina, to je sprejemljivo.Če se ne motim je tale disk visok 7,5mm jst mam pa 9,5mm visko disk v compu a ta adapter dobim zraven? Je še kakšen drug predlog?

darkolord ::

Če rabiš adapter moraš kupiti Notebook upgrade kit. Je pa odvisno od laptopa, v nekatere brez težav paše 7,5mm

Kato ::

Mal sem pogooglu in očitno ne bom rabil adapterja. Očitno pri tem disku dobim le disk, kateri program priporočate za migracijo sistem (verjetno kakšen acronis)?

kuglvinkl ::

Na nov postavi sistem. Če ga ne boš, pazi na alignment.

Kato ::

Alignment? Alignment česa?

kuglvinkl ::

Diska.

Kato ::

Ok vidim , da moram kr neki prebrat glede tega aligmenta.

Ok hvala zaenkrat

kuglvinkl ::

Tole je blo v eni drugi temi:



Win7: how do I move user folder to a different drive

When creating a clean install, using the combination of an SSD system drive and a conventional disk drive, as a data drive, there is a way to "move" the Users folder (normally, C:\Users) and the hidden ProgramData folder (normally C:\ProgramData) to the conventional disk, or data drive, using an answer file, or unattend.xml, for an unattended installation, as mentioned above.

For an individual doing a single, one-off installation, trying to figure out how to create an answer file for a completely unattended installation, just to accomplish this one small task, is way, way too much trouble. It's also not necessary.

It is possible, during the course of a conventional, interactive installation from an installation disc or USB thumbdrive, to enter what is called, "Audit Mode", before the Computer is named or a Username created, and accomplish the necessary re-assignment.

1.) Do a conventional installation. If you are using an SSD, at the point in the installation process where you are asked where you want to install Windows, you should use Drive Options to remove any partitions on the SSD, before selecting the SSD as the target. Do not manually partition or format the drive, prior to installation. Windows 7 will do this, and must do this, because Windows needs to align the logical format with characteristics of the physical drive, and, also, Windows wants a small system partition for its own purposes.

2.) When the installation stops, waiting for you to give the computer a username and a computer name, DON'T! Press Ctrl+Shift+F3, and the computer will restart in . . . (wait for it!) "Audit Mode"!. Basically, Windows will create a throwaway Administrator account and sign you in, as this throwaway Administrator. Nothing you do, with regard to this temporary user will survive finalizing the installation, but the computer operates normally, and you can install drivers and software. Whenever the computer starts in Audit mode (you are allowed to restart), a GUI version of Sysprep.exe will pop up, offering to restart the computer in OOBE (out of box experience). OOBE is where you were a moment before -- that is, where you create a username and computer name and the installation is finalized. Don't choose to restart in OOBE until you are ready to finalize the installation.

3.) You need to know what drive letter (or folder location) is going to be assigned to your Datadrive disk. So, this would be the time, in audit mode, to figure that out. If you need to partition or format the datadrive, do it now. On the Start Menu, right-click on "Computer" and choose Manage from the context menu, to get to the Computer Management console. In the Computer Management console, under Storage/Disk Management, you will find the tools to change drive letters, partition, etc.

4.) You need only a minimal answer file. This is an xml file (a text file), created in the Windows System Image Manager application. You can call it whatever you like. I'd suggest: folders.xml. Here's the content of a folders.xml file, which will re-locate Users and ProgramData to D:\


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<unattend xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:unattend">
    <settings pass="oobeSystem">
        <component name="Microsoft-Windows-Shell-Setup" processorArchitecture="amd64" publicKeyToken="31bf3856ad364e35" language="neutral" versionScope="nonSxS" xmlns:wcm="http://schemas.microsoft.com/WMIConfig/2002/State" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
            <FolderLocations>
                <ProfilesDirectory>d:\Users</ProfilesDirectory>
                <ProgramData>d:\ProgramData</ProgramData>
            </FolderLocations>
        </component>
    </settings>
    <cpi:offlineImage cpi:source="wim:h:/sources/install.wim#Windows 7 ULTIMATE" xmlns:cpi="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:cpi" />
</unattend>



I am going to imagine a scenario, where you make this file on another computer, and transfer it to the computer, where the installation is being done, using a USB flashdrive, which, when plugged in, to the computer in Audit Mode, is assigned the driveletter U:

You could probably just copy the text above into notepad and save it as a textfile with the extension, .xml and be good to go, provided you wanted to use d:\Users and d:\ProgramData as your Datadrive locations. (I've used this answer file, successfully; I don't guarantee that it will work for others.)

5. To use the folders.xml, located in the root directory of your USB flashdrive, plugged in and visible as U:\, you need to open a command prompt, navigate to c:\windows\system32\sysprep and give this command:

sysprep.exe /audit /reboot /unattend:U:\folders.xml

This will cause the computer to reboot, but you will end up right back in Audit Mode. As long as you are still in Audit Mode, the re-location of these folders will not be complete, because the temporary Administrator useraccount still has its stuff in C:\Users and there are still some active databases in C:\ProgramData.

6.) Now, you need to say goodbye to Audit Mode. Remember that a GUI for using Sysprep to initialize the OOBE shows up, each time you re-boot into Audit Mode. So after you reboot in 5.) you will have your chance to run it. (If this is your personal computer, don't check the "Generalize" box in the Sysprep GUI.)

7.) Finish your Windows installation, create a permanent username and giving the computer a name, etc. When you are finally up and running, go look at C:\ C:\Users should be gone. C:\ProgramData is probably still there, but it's normally hidden, so you won't see it, until you go into Folder Options and check Show Hidden Files and Folders. D:\Users and D:\ProgramData (hidden) should also exist.

8.) I like the idea of using Junctions to intercept any program foolish enough to hardcode to c:\users or c:\programdata You'll need to delete or move C:\ProgramData, before creating a Junction at C:\ProgramData pointing to D:\ProgramData. The command line tool, mklink, is useful here. Open a command prompt, and type mklink /? for instructions. If you prefer a right-click GUI tool, check out:http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshel...

After having created the Junctions, I believe you could use regedit to edit the ProfileList key back to the original C:\ locations. folders.xml will have modified the Folderlist key, so that everything points to D:\ instead of %systemdrive%\ or C:\ I'm not sure what the point would be, but you could.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList

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BlaY0 ::

Imam tale laptop kit. V njem pa je plastična ploščica debeline 2mm in velikosti diska (vrednost po moje ene 10 centov) ter en cheap zunanji SATA to USB kontroler, ki pa se ga na DX-like sajtih dobi za par $. Skratka vse skupaj vredno par $. Drugače pa je zraven še Norton Ghost.

mk818764 ::

Tole je za kaj? Kje pa kupujete nosilce za 3,5'?

http://www.ceneje.si/racunalnistvo/komp...

medenko ::

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stock ::

mk818764 je izjavil:

Tole je za kaj? Kje pa kupujete nosilce za 3,5'?

http://www.ceneje.si/racunalnistvo/komp...


Kaki nosilci vrtalnik xD hitreje, ceneje ter zna izgledat tud lepše ;)

BlaY0 ::

medenko je izjavil:

dej link blayo, kupujem 1 kos.

Tukaj je malo cenejši. Je pa ta precej boljši od tega, ki je v Samsung laptop kit-u.

Kato ::

Za kaj pa kupujete te adapterje, a nebi dosegli isto ,če kupite eno usb 3.0 ohišje za trdi disk? Tako al pa tako gre disk ,ki ga zamenjate potem v to ohišje.

FlyingBee ::

sammy bo 840 skotil

http://www.pcper.com/news/Storage/Samsu...

super za nas, 830 je že zelo hiter in upam, da cena kmalu pade na 0,66 EUR za Gb (v Sloveniji, če živiš v DE potem to že imaš)

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kuglvinkl ::

Kul, če bodo imeli novi FDE, ga takoj kupim.

Spock83 ::

Nekaj me zanima. Zakaj vraga OCZ ima miljon modelov SSDjev? Verjetno uporabljajo vse razpoložljive kontrolerje in flah čipe raznih kvalitet? GLavna razlika med Agility in Vertex je? Deneva 2 (enterprise serija) ima boljše čipe ali kaj (imaš tudi SLC ter MLC)?

kuglvinkl ::

Samsung 840 Pro review. Read čist raztura.

DrSergioDJ ::

ja seveda se to zgodi 1 dan potem, ko si 830 naročim iz tujine..lol :P
...

MaterVola ::

Nikoli ni prepozno za storno ;)

Dami ::

Jaz sem mel 2 830 naročenega (in plačanga) ko je naslednji dan izšel plextor m5p in sem skenslal samo jih zaradi nedobavljivosti še vedno čakam. Zaj ko sem naročil končno plextorje pa izzide ta samsung...
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