Zakaj so električni avtomobili prava stvar

Nikec3 je 25. okt 2018 ob 21:54 izjavil:

Raje po malem in stalno služit kot na hitro dobit in hitro zgubit.

Meh, obratno je bolj zabavno, drugače je dolgcajt.

Unknown_001 je 25. okt 2018 ob 21:56 izjavil:

Nikec3 je 25. okt 2018 ob 21:54 izjavil:

Raje po malem in stalno služit kot na hitro dobit in hitro zgubit.

Meh, obratno je bolj zabavno, drugače je dolgcajt.

Bom odprl kazino, pa vljudno vabljen.

kow je 26. okt 2018 ob 06:42 izjavil:

Unknown_001 je 25. okt 2018 ob 21:56 izjavil:

Nikec3 je 25. okt 2018 ob 21:54 izjavil:

Raje po malem in stalno služit kot na hitro dobit in hitro zgubit.

Meh, obratno je bolj zabavno, drugače je dolgcajt.

Bom odprl kazino, pa vljudno vabljen.

V kazinu v povprecju izgubljas

Unknown_001 je 25. okt 2018 ob 21:56 izjavil:

Nikec3 je 25. okt 2018 ob 21:54 izjavil:

Raje po malem in stalno služit kot na hitro dobit in hitro zgubit.

Meh, obratno je bolj zabavno, drugače je dolgcajt.

Bom odprl kazino, pa vljudno vabljen.

nekikr je 26. okt 2018 ob 11:10 izjavil:

Kdaj so pa cene nizke ali visoke? ;)

nekikr je 26. okt 2018 ob 11:58 izjavil:

Jp. Zato so vsi milijonarji ;)

pegasus je 26. okt 2018 ob 22:38 izjavil:

Ena skromna želja ...

Lahko to temo ohranimo za bolj tehnično usmerjene debate o električno gnanih 4 in več kolesnih stvaritvah?

Poslovne in politične debate o Tesli prosim nadaljujte v temi o Tesli, so vsaj dve ali tri na voljo.

"I loved all the articles about how Elon doesn't know what he is doing, the pictures of him smoking dope, you know, and The Wall Street Journal writing all these articles [saying] he is going to have to go out for money," he said. "This is not just about The Wall Street Journal."

He asked, "Why should I believe you as opposed to my friend Elon while I am out here watching this rocket land, which I think is really cool, and you are there in front of your Apple Mac typing up an article saying Elon is an idiot?"

It seems that not a week goes by without a major automaker announcing their future plans for electrification, battery partnerships, EV charging infrastructure and partnerships, new EV manufacturing plant locations, and more.

But often and upon further review and analysis of these announcements, we find that you need to add an asterisk to those statements. For example, we often hear that an automaker will only be making EV models available in certain markets such as China or California.

Lets do a little thought experiment. Lets take Diess at his word and VW will have this magical 2020 car. To be fair, lets assume he meant the $28k car at half the price of a Model 3 LR with PUP and upgrade paint and wheels.

Now, the problem that I have with this is not that VW cant make a car cheap. They certainly can. The problem that I have is that the market for a $28k car better then a model is is somewhere on the order of 4M units per year. Assuming a 75KWh pack, that would equate to 75GWh per million cars. Or 2x GF1 x 4 by 2020. Just wrap your heads around that. I believe that Tesla consumes more KWh for automotive then all other vehicles combined and its almost 2019.

WHERE IN THE HOLYHECK DOES THIS VW MORON THINK HE IS GETTING THE MAGICAL BATTERIES.

Sorry for yelling, but it feels like German car companies things we are complete morons. Certainly many shorts are complete morons can they cannot picture the scale required to even compete on the same playing field with Tesla. Now, given the insane resources they have, they could. But they wont. Because they are too arrogant. Their investors will not abide the kinds of losses it would require. Even if they were willing to do it and their investors were cool with it, they implode from the lack of profitable sales of their ICE vehicles. Meaning, no one is going to by a $28k VW Passat if they can get a way better EV and it would have to much much better to be as good as a Tesla. They would be financially nonviable the more EVs they sold. If you traded 4M Passats at positive margins for 4M EVs at even slightly negative margins they would be toast. This is not a problem that you can just throw mountains of money at. It takes time and commitment.

Lastly, I will leave you with my Competition paradox. If they competition could make such a great vehicle, they wouldnt have waited for Tesla to do so. Tesla has 1% global market share. They would have make this magical car to crush each others and take the massive market shares the Toyota has or Nissan or GM or BMW. They have plenty of motivation before Tesla came a long. So when you hear about this car thats better then a Tesla and cheaper. Think about the Competition paradox. If they could do it, they already would have.