Volitve v ZDA 2020

PrimoZ_ je 11. sep 2020 ob 17:27 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 11. sep 2020 ob 17:16 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 11. sep 2020 ob 17:15 izjavil:

PRC pa po 2sv ni uspela zasesti otoka Taiwan, ki ga od tedaj drži v rokah ROC.

Naj bo kitajcem to všeč ali ne, Taiwan noče biti del njih. Tako kot Trst noče biti del Slovenije.

Bi ga za šalo, pa so američani tja parkirali mornarico.

Kaj je tajvancem všeč je pa vseeno. Če nimajo moči da bi se osamosvojili in usa noče zaradi tega v vojno, se bodo pač vrnili pod Kitajsko.

Tudi Jugoslavanski partizani so za šalo okupirali Trst pa so jih zahodne sile odslovile. Jebat ga.

Sej tajvan je defakto samostojen.
Samo ostali svet smo pusiji da jih ne priznamo.
Če posamezna država prizna Tajvan jih lahko Kitajska ekonsmsko zjebe, če bi ga priznala ZDA, EU in še par ostalih naenkrat bo pa tudi kitajska lahko samo grdo gledala...

Kitajska lahko Taiwan znuka in verjetno konvencionalno zbombardira do tal. Da bi ga osvojila in držala pa težko, če ljudstvo samo nima želje biti del kitajske.
In z vsakim letom ko mine, da je Taiwan ločen od celinske Kitajske je manjša verjetnost, da bo to še kdaj zdrženo. Ljudje postaja vse bolj "tujci".

Malo morgen. Tajvan ni čisto nič samostojen, je zgolj kitajska provinca z lokalno samoupravo. USA se je 20 let neuspešno trudila, da bi prepričala kitajce, da naj dajo samostojnost Tajvanu. Če Tajvan razglasi samostojnost, ga bodo kitajci napadli. To je jasno vsem in vsem je tudi jasno, da USA zaradi tega ne bo šla v vojno. Zato se pač podaljšuje status quo. Ki ga Trump zdaj ruši.

Vprašanje je pa, zakaj je to v interesu Tajvana? Ker s tem zgolj pospešujejo združitev, ki je ne želijo.

nergac je 11. sep 2020 ob 17:23 izjavil:

A rabim nadaljevati ali lahko neham?

Ignoriraš tisto, kar je pomembno - zakaj so američani zavzeli Texas. Odgovor je - varnost. Iz istega razloga ni varjante, da se kitajci odpovejo Tajvanu. Zdaj če zagovarjaš aneksacijo Texasa, kritiziraš pa vrnitev Tajvana kitajcem, si pač hinavec.

nergac je 11. sep 2020 ob 17:52 izjavil:

Za poldija: Španija ni demokracija.
Če pa črkobralstvo omogoča mlatenje Kataloncev s pendreki, to ni naš problem.

Pa Merkel je tudi realpolitik.
Vsi vidimo koliko ima stika z realnostjo.

Čakaj malo - če španci, ki so v EU, niso problem človekovih pravic, samostojnosti, yada yada, zakaj hudiča so potem kitajci? In kaj je Španija po tvojem, če ne demokracija?

Kraljevina? A tako kot Danci in Švedi?

Je kralj zadušil upor kataloncev, ali parlament/vlada?

In po kakšni logiki jo potem Španija kraljevina in ne parlamentarna demokracija.

Kralj je tam za potrebe turizma. Kraljevina so samo na papirju. Nehaj sanjat.

To kar pišem je vse subjektivno.
To je moje mnenje.
Oziroma analiza, zakaj so šle stvari narobe.
Za naprej pa ne vem. Posebej za ZDA. Tudi imam premalo informacij, kaj se trenutno tam dogaja.
Tudi nisem nikoli živel v vseh tipičnih ZDA zveznih državah, da bi sploh lahko dal kakršnikoli objektivno mnenje.

Zato tudi ne bom dajal nobenih napovedi za ZDA. Naj sami odločijo. Si pa mislim svoje.

Jarno je 11. sep 2020 ob 17:58 izjavil:

Nazaj na temo. Če Biden zmaga, se bodo verjetno med seboj grizli demokrati, tisti "staromodni" in "progresivni".
Progresivnim demokratom bi kar ustrezalo, da bi preko tehnoloških velikanov cenzurirali/utišali bolj konzervativna mnenja, seveda bi jih predhodno ustrezno okarakterizirali v negativnem smislu. Wokeness in cancel culture at it's finest.

Mešaš pojma progresivci in liberalci. To, o čem pišeš, je boj med dvema frakcijama liberalcev. Progresivci so primarno ameriška levica.

Sem napisal v "progresivni" v navednicah, namerno. Mislim, da je marsikomu jasno, da sta npr. liberalni kapitalizem in sodobna liberalna scena v ZDA dve različni kategoriji.
"Progresivce" sem že večkrat (v slabšalnem tonu) poimenoval tiste, ki se jih tudi drugače imenuje "woke", zagovornike "cancel culture-a", nasprotnike tehnoloških velikanov, pristašev cenzure konzervativnih pogledov, kritikov white male CIS-ov, privilegija belcev. Sem bi vtaknil še levičarje in skrajne ANTIFA levičarje.

Obama je npr. še bil demokrat stare šole.

Sicer pa si bom res moral vzeti čas, da bom to sceno razumel, ker ima lahko v teoriji sleherni Trump opposer svoje poglede.
Skratka, z določenimi pogledi demokratov se celo strinjam, recimo dostopno šolstvo, zdravstvo, manj orožja, spodbujanje uspešnih IT velikanov itd. "Progresivci" pa delujejo nezrelo, razvajeno in "out of touch with reality".
Biden še kako potrebuje njihove glasove in to je to. Upam, da bodo po verjetni zmagi fragmentacija postala očitna.
Kot npr. v Libiji po smrti Gadafija.

Dejansko pa je takole:
Trump vs Biden (vsi ostali)

Škoda samo, da nič od tega ni res.

dild0idis je 11. sep 2020 ob 21:03 izjavil:

Tole je realnost vaše kombinacije Biden in Sanders:

Jap, Jimmy dolgoletni zagovornik Bernija je z Bernijem zaključil.
Ampak, Fritz še vedno lajna o Berniju, kako je dober.

Fritz je 12. sep 2020 ob 20:21 izjavil:

Drugače se pa v ZDA pridno bližajo 200.000 mrtvim zaradi COVID-19.

Peav zagotovo ne zaradi covida-19. Ne lagat. Ne tako dolgo nazaj je CDC napisal, da je direktnih smrti zaradi covida dobrih 6000. Vse ostalo je kreativno računovodstvo. Nekaj takega kot pri nas.

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https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/statu...

Change in Pennsylvania registered voters since November 2016:

Independents—Up 42,035
Republicans—Up 75,281
Democrats—DOWN 91,567

In Joe Biden’s home state!

c3p0 je 11. sep 2020 ob 14:32 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 11. sep 2020 ob 14:16 izjavil:

ZDA še niso na tej točki, bo pa AOC verjetno nekoč predsednica. Če Doni vsega ne zafura.

Kako to? Bo začela brati in se izobraževati, da ne bo klatila le floskul in neumnosti?

Še enkrat, poglej ta film:

Floskule in neumnosti so butast desničarski mem na prvo žogo. V praksi je še malo zelena za ušesi, pun intended, ampak karizmatična, pametna kot strela in odprta za učenje.

Še razlog za kar sem prišel sem. gOLD, popolnoma off topic, sem se pa nasmejal.

Pac-Man je 12. sep 2020 ob 23:04 izjavil:

Še enkrat, poglej ta film:

Je že twitow neznanih ljudi začelo zmanjkovati, da linkaš Netflix filme, kateri posnamejo prav vsako sranje - vključno z zadnjim hitom - filmom o 11 letnicah, katere twrkajo in se drgnejo ena ob drugo?

Pac-Man je 12. sep 2020 ob 23:04 izjavil:

Še enkrat, poglej ta film:

Netflix, resno? Bom pogledal takoj ko končam s Cuties

Netflix je tule samo distibucija, film je kupil ko je bil že posnet. Enako kot pri Cuties.

Knock Down the House @ Wikipedia

The day after Donald Trump's election, Rachel Lears began working on her new documentary film.[8] She reached out to organizations such as Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats to find "charismatic female candidates who weren't career politicians, but had become newly galvanized to represent their communities."[8] The search led her to four female candidates: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Amy Vilela of Nevada, Cori Bush of Missouri, and Paula Jean Swearengin of West Virginia.[8] Lears raised $28,111 for the project through Kickstarter.[8]
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The film had its world premiere at the 2019 Sundance Film Festival on January 27, 2019.[9][10] Shortly after, Netflix acquired distribution rights to the film for $10 million.[11][12]



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Jade Helm 15 conspiracy theories @ Wikipedia

InfoWars 2020: TRUMP MORA IZVEST DRŽAVNI UDAR!!!!!!!

Audio na povezavi:
Roger Stone calls for Trump to seize total power if he loses the election

During his September 10 appearance on The Alex Jones Show, Stone declared that the only legitimate outcome to the 2020 election would be a Trump victory. He made this assertion on the basis of his entirely unfounded claim that early voting has been marred by widespread voter fraud.

Stone argued that “the ballots in Nevada on election night should be seized by federal marshalls and taken from the state” because “they are completely corrupted” and falsely said that “we can prove voter fraud in the absentees right now.” He specifically called for Trump to have absentee ballots seized in Clark County, Nevada, an area that leans Democratic. Stone went on to claim that “the votes from Nevada should not be counted; they are already flooded with illegals” and baselessly suggested that former Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) should be arrested and that Trump should consider nationalizing Nevada’s state police force.

Beyond Nevada, Stone recommended that Trump consider several actions to retain his power. Stone recommended that Trump appoint former Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) as a special counsel “with the specific task of forming an Election Day operation using the FBI, federal marshals, and Republican state officials across the country to be prepared to file legal objections and if necessary to physically stand in the way of criminal activity.”

Stone also urged Trump to consider declaring “martial law” or invoking the Insurrection Act and then using his powers to arrest Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Apple CEO Tim Cook, “the Clintons” and “anybody else who can be proven to be involved in illegal activity.”

GargaSmrk je 13. sep 2020 ob 13:47 izjavil:

Trump ima podporo ljudstva in vojske, ne vem zakaj ne bi prevzel oblast?

Bom ugriznil. Nima je.



Trump’s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll — and more troops say they’ll vote for Biden

Roger Stone že grozi z diktaturo če Trump izgubi
Res zanimivo podporniki Trumpa so verjetno kozlali čez Šarca, češ kako si je lahko dovolil napake pri borbi z epidemijo Samo panike ni hotel delat, čeprav je panika že bila haha

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https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status...
One of the many mistakes non-psycho conservatives made over the years was that we assumed that the paranoid right was mostly a relic of pre-1970s history. We were wrong.

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Dems were telling conservatives that 30 years ago. In response, conservatives said that we were terrible at politics, and needed to get better. Better being more paranoid, apparently.

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Such a tiresome response. Protip: "Crazies took over my party" does not mean "your party was always wrong about everything." Yes, we knew had a crazy fringe. Ours, for a lot of reasons (including monetizing the crazy) took control.
Spoiler: The left has a crazy fringe too.
Conservatism isn't crazy. It's a necessary part of a democracy, just as progressivism is. But when we work on what killed the GOP, progs looking over our shoulder and saying "Well, we told you in 1985" only serves to remind us why it's hard to talk to mindless progressives. And trust me, when all this is over, we're all gonna have a talk about how the GOP managed, for a time, to become the dominant party - "the party of everyone else" - with the *help of progressives*. Dems did, and do, holistically stink at politics. It made it easy for us.
Today, the American left has plenty of kooks in it who - for now - have been thwarted in the attempt to capture the Democratic Party. Liberals might want to think more about the general question of how a major party falls to its fringe instead of retconning all of 1952-2016. Think, too, about how crying wolf - also a form of paranoid politics - for 40 yrs didn't help progs sway people. You said "fascist" so often people tuned it out. Reagan, Bush 1/2, Dole, McCain, Romney - all demonized. And then you ran HRC, against all logic and caution.
You warned us? Sure. And we warned you: Let the Clinton idea go. You had Bill for two terms. Don't resurrect the battles of the 90s. Yes, the GOP was spineless against Trump and it deserves to be flushed for that. But never think you didn't have a hand in all this. And before you all talk about "30 years ago," it's important to remember how Dems ended up in this jam *forty* years ago. It's easy for younger progressives to forget how much the US felt like a failed state at the end of the 1970s, as liberal ideas were exhausted, the USSR was in the ascent, and we were all told to just accept "decline" and "convergence" with the Soviet model. As Mark Lilla - no conservative - wrote recently: “It is difficult to convey to anyone who wasn’t alive and politically aware at the time what a dreary place America seemed in the late 1970s, how lacking in direction and confidence." It was the peak of liberal dominance. This was a result of the exhaustion of the 1960s and the curdling of noble crusades like civil rights into identity and racial spoils factionalism. Conservatives seized an opportunity. Yes, while dragging our crazies along with us. Perhaps we shouldn't have, but we did.
But this is a cautionary tale for Democrats: You're on the verge of saving the country. But you've got a nutball fringe coming right along with you. Don't think you're immune to our mistakes. Apostate conservatives spend a lot of time thinking about how things went wrong. We don't always agree. We're working on it. But spare me the lectures about how we were always crazy. It's silly and tiresome.

Saj ni problem v redneckih in premaknjencih ter kapitalu, problem je v tem, da veliko ljudi ne bo volilo ali pa bodo volili za zelene ali kakšno drugo stranko. Ker bodo prej omenjeni striktno volili za Trumpa, bo Biden pogorel še bolj kot Clintonova.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/07/0...

zmaugy je 14. sep 2020 ob 09:29 izjavil:

Žal ne problem samo za ZDA, ker diktator na oblasti v ZDA pomeni zgled za vso golazen, ki bo prilezla izpod kamnov vsepovsod po svetu.

Nah. Imajo stoletje prakse z nastavljanjem vojaških diktatur, ki jim rečejo demokracija. Tale bo prizadelo zgolj njih, ko bodo tip demokracije, ki ga izvažajo, potencialno dobili še doma.

Kolega, to, da so kritičnim zaveznikom (oni, ki so mejili na ruse/kitajce in so bili posledično del kulturne vojne) kupovali volitve v ničemer ne spremeni dejstva, da so v 3. svetu kot po tekočem traku nastavljali vojaške diktature.

Poldi112 je 14. sep 2020 ob 10:38 izjavil:

Kolega, to, da so kritičnim zaveznikom (oni, ki so mejili na ruse/kitajce in so bili posledično del kulturne vojne) kupovali volitve v ničemer ne spremeni dejstva, da so v 3. svetu kot po tekočem traku nastavljali vojaške diktature.

Kot na primer v Grenadi, kajne?

Poldi112 je 14. sep 2020 ob 10:54 izjavil:

Iz zgornjega linka - demokracija po ameriško

From 1945 to 1948, the American forces who occupied Japan purged the Government of the right-wing militarists who had led Japan into war. But by 1949, things had changed. China went Communist. The Soviet Union exploded its first atomic bomb. Washington was fighting Communism, not ferreting out rightists.

The American occupation forces freed accused war criminals like Nobusuke Kishi, later Japan's Prime Minister. Some of the rehabilitated politicians had close contacts with organized crime groups, known as yakuza. So did Yoshio Kodama, a political fixer and later a major C.I.A. contact in Japan who worked behind the scenes to finance the conservatives.

Le kaj jih je prepričalo, da so začeli s tem.



Kakšna norost. Čisto brez razloga.

kriminalce na oblast postabiti zelo je dobro ja

Poldi112 je 14. sep 2020 ob 11:21 izjavil:

Kako brez razloga?

Sarkazem detektor si očisti, ne deluje kot bi moral.

Saj so uspešno zgradili imperij. Medtem ko eni še kar verjamete v pravljice o demokraciji kot volji ljudstva.

Imperija pač ne gradiš tako, da si iz "kolonije" ustvariš konkurenta. Osnove Poldek, osnove. Poglej kako so to delali Rusi, oni so dejansko gradili imperij v obliki ZSSR in Varšavskega Pakta. Tisto je imperij, to kar so gradile ZDA, je nekaj drugega.

Kaj ne vem, ampak imperij pač ne.