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Ukrajina Part II
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l0g1t3ch ::
Invictus, tebi pa te stvari niso ravno jasne. Praviš, da gre za križarko iz časa hladne vojne in da je zastarela? Pa ti razumeš, da vsi sistemi, od radarskih, protiraketnih, itd., so posodobljeni, kolikor pač imajo Rusi denarja in tehnologije? Gre za najboljše, kar imajo Rusi...
Sej mu je jasno.
Tu samo inhalira copium...
Aston_11 ::
Namesto, da bi lažnjivi Rusi napisali, da so v junaškem boju utrpeli poškodbe, zaradi katerih je ladja potonila ali pa je nesposobna za karkoli ali kaj podobnega (morda resnico za spremembo), so raje napisali, da je ladja utrpela poškodbe zaradi nesposobnosti mornarjev, kar očitno pomeni, da ne znajo ravnati s strelivom, torej da je posadka nesposobna - kar pomeni gulag in Sibirijo.
l0g1t3ch ::
Dileme, napisati da:
a) so ukrajinci izvedli uspešen napad na ladjo in jo potopili
b) da so lastni mornarji šalabajzerji, ki ne znajo rokovat z opremo in so povzročili eksplozije in uničenje ladje
dileme, dileme
a) so ukrajinci izvedli uspešen napad na ladjo in jo potopili
b) da so lastni mornarji šalabajzerji, ki ne znajo rokovat z opremo in so povzročili eksplozije in uničenje ladje
dileme, dileme
koyotee ::
Dileme, napisati da:
a) so ukrajinci izvedli uspešen napad na ladjo in jo potopili
b) da so lastni mornarji šalabajzerji, ki ne znajo rokovat z opremo in so povzročili eksplozije in uničenje ladje
dileme, dileme
Ni ni nini dileme
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dice7 ::
Bolje da ne pride do jedrskih spopadov, da ne bo kdo po pomoti vrgel prizgan cik v raketni silos
fikus_ ::
Bomo prepovedali kajenje in smo rešeni!
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scythe ::
Ne bo neke škode za rusko vojsko...
Ladja je bila največja & najbolj zmogljiva v Črnem morju, Turčija pa je zaprla Bospor za ladje iz drugih flot.
Je kje uradna novica od Turčije, da je zaprla Bospor?
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Aston_11 ::
Pac-Man ::
Je kje uradna novica od Turčije, da je zaprla Bospor?
https://www.maritime-executive.com/arti...
Turkey has formally invoked its authority to close the Dardanelles and the Bosporus to foreign warships, limiting the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet to the assets it has on hand.
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
scythe ::
Je kje uradna novica od Turčije, da je zaprla Bospor?
https://www.maritime-executive.com/arti...
Turkey has formally invoked its authority to close the Dardanelles and the Bosporus to foreign warships, limiting the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet to the assets it has on hand.
Odlično
Kolk ladij ima Rusija trenutno v črnem morju, da bi lahko Ukrajino napadel? 
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koyotee ::
Je kje uradna novica od Turčije, da je zaprla Bospor?
https://www.maritime-executive.com/arti...
Turkey has formally invoked its authority to close the Dardanelles and the Bosporus to foreign warships, limiting the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet to the assets it has on hand.
Odlično
Nima veze ker so se posrali in bojo čimdlje od obale
, zdaj pa še kadit ne bojo več smeli na ladji, lahko bojo samo še milo pobirali Rear DVD collector!
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Pac-Man ::
januar letos
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2...
The Russian navy cruiser Moskva by far is the most powerful warship in the Black Sea. If Russian President Vladimir Putin orders his troops to widen their war in Ukraine, Moskva, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, undoubtedly would lead the naval assault.
Think of Moskva as a 12,500-ton, 612-foot mobile missile battery with nearly 500 people aboard. She packs enough anti-ship missiles to wipe out the entire Ukrainian navy and enough air-defense missiles to swat away any conceivable aerial attack on the Black Sea Fleet’s amphibious flotilla.
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The cruiser’s sensors make her self-sufficient as a missile battery. The ship’s Top Pair and Top Steer radars can peer out to 200 miles or farther. Moskva led the Russian navy’s seaborne assault on the Republic of Georgia back in 2008, protecting three amphibious ships that landed a battalion or two of naval infantry.
During the Russian invasion of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in 2014, the cruiser held station off Donuzlav Bay, bottling up the Ukrainian warships there. In 2015 she deployed to the Syrian coast in order to protect Russian troops from possible air and sea attacks.
Aging and reportedly vulnerable to fire, Moskva in 2016 sailed back to Sevastopol in Crimea for a three-year overhaul. She emerged with P-1000 anti-ship missiles in place of her older P-500s. The overhaul extends her service life by a decade or so.
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In the likeliest Ukraine scenarios, the corvettes and submarines will lob Kalibrs at targets on land while the amphibs, sailing inside the protective umbrella of Moskva’s missiles, land a couple battalions as part of a possible wider effort to seize Ukrainian ports such as Odessa.
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The only Ukrainian forces that might have any realistic shot at Moskva are the new Neptune anti-ship missile batteries. The stealthy, radar-guided Neptune can strike ships as far away as 175 miles. Kiev has bought Turkish-made TB-2 drones and American-made radars that can spot targets for the Neptunes.
It’s not clear how many Neptunes it might take to punch through Moskva’s defenses. Nor is it clear how many Neptunes the Ukrainians possess.
In any event, Moskva is a big ship and has proved she can take a missile. The Georgian navy reportedly managed to score one hit on the cruiser back in 2008. She spent a year in drydock and was back at sea by 2010.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2...
The Russian navy cruiser Moskva by far is the most powerful warship in the Black Sea. If Russian President Vladimir Putin orders his troops to widen their war in Ukraine, Moskva, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, undoubtedly would lead the naval assault.
Think of Moskva as a 12,500-ton, 612-foot mobile missile battery with nearly 500 people aboard. She packs enough anti-ship missiles to wipe out the entire Ukrainian navy and enough air-defense missiles to swat away any conceivable aerial attack on the Black Sea Fleet’s amphibious flotilla.
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The cruiser’s sensors make her self-sufficient as a missile battery. The ship’s Top Pair and Top Steer radars can peer out to 200 miles or farther. Moskva led the Russian navy’s seaborne assault on the Republic of Georgia back in 2008, protecting three amphibious ships that landed a battalion or two of naval infantry.
During the Russian invasion of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in 2014, the cruiser held station off Donuzlav Bay, bottling up the Ukrainian warships there. In 2015 she deployed to the Syrian coast in order to protect Russian troops from possible air and sea attacks.
Aging and reportedly vulnerable to fire, Moskva in 2016 sailed back to Sevastopol in Crimea for a three-year overhaul. She emerged with P-1000 anti-ship missiles in place of her older P-500s. The overhaul extends her service life by a decade or so.
...
In the likeliest Ukraine scenarios, the corvettes and submarines will lob Kalibrs at targets on land while the amphibs, sailing inside the protective umbrella of Moskva’s missiles, land a couple battalions as part of a possible wider effort to seize Ukrainian ports such as Odessa.
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The only Ukrainian forces that might have any realistic shot at Moskva are the new Neptune anti-ship missile batteries. The stealthy, radar-guided Neptune can strike ships as far away as 175 miles. Kiev has bought Turkish-made TB-2 drones and American-made radars that can spot targets for the Neptunes.
It’s not clear how many Neptunes it might take to punch through Moskva’s defenses. Nor is it clear how many Neptunes the Ukrainians possess.
In any event, Moskva is a big ship and has proved she can take a missile. The Georgian navy reportedly managed to score one hit on the cruiser back in 2008. She spent a year in drydock and was back at sea by 2010.
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koyotee ::
Bogve kdaj so radar odmontirali in prodali, da so imeli za cigarete 
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Pac-Man ::
Ni kar nekdo, dela akademsko kariero iz monitoringa skrajne desnice
Anton Shekhovtsov @ Wikipedia
https://twitter.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/statu...
Ukrainian military intelligence says - on the basis of their analysis of the intercepted phone calls of Russian invaders - that Putin ordered to raze Ukrainian cities and towns to the ground if the Russians fail to capture them by the 10th of May.
Anton Shekhovtsov @ Wikipedia
https://twitter.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/statu...
Ukrainian military intelligence says - on the basis of their analysis of the intercepted phone calls of Russian invaders - that Putin ordered to raze Ukrainian cities and towns to the ground if the Russians fail to capture them by the 10th of May.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
fikus_ ::
"Ukrainian military intelligence says" bo bolj usa intelligence says
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DarkSite ::
the commander of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Armed Forces, Admiral Igor Osipov, was arrested.
https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/sta...
https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/sta...
l0g1t3ch ::
the commander of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Armed Forces, Admiral Igor Osipov, was arrested.
https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/sta...
Nekdo bo imel zares slab dan
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DarkSite ::
Why nailing Moskva was vital to the Ukrainian airpower in the South & Black Sea.
Via DM:
"She carries 64 S-300's, she's basically a massive area denial asset for Ukrainian aviation in the south. If she's down, they're going to swarm that front with air support."
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status...
Via DM:
"She carries 64 S-300's, she's basically a massive area denial asset for Ukrainian aviation in the south. If she's down, they're going to swarm that front with air support."
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status...
l0g1t3ch ::
https://reporter.si/clanek/slovenija/sk...
Samo bruham. Mekina je govno
Ta Mekina se bere kot naš Poldi112. Naklučje ?
Voss ::
Why nailing Moskva was vital to the Ukrainian airpower in the South & Black Sea.
Via DM:
"She carries 64 S-300's, she's basically a massive area denial asset for Ukrainian aviation in the south. If she's down, they're going to swarm that front with air support."
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status...
Invictus pravi, da je to zgolj ena nepomembna ladjica
Zdaj jim je pod vodo (dobesedno) padel načrt za planirano ofenzivo na Odesso.
Dvomim pa, da so bili Ukrajinci sami sposobni tega manevra. Tole jih CIA močno šopa z informaciji. Enako so napovedali za Donbas/Lugansk.
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bbbbbb2015 ::
Why nailing Moskva was vital to the Ukrainian airpower in the South & Black Sea.
Via DM:
"She carries 64 S-300's, she's basically a massive area denial asset for Ukrainian aviation in the south. If she's down, they're going to swarm that front with air support."
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status...
Pa ni samo to. Imela je dosti manevrirnih izstrelkov, s katerimi je držala dol Ukrajino. Zgleda, da so se Moskve lotili z nekim kombiniranim effortom. Mal jo nadlegujejo, mal ona pazi nadlegovalce, potem pa Neptuni priletijo malo nad gladino vode iz morske strani.
To je pravilno. To bodo sedaj imeli Rusi velike težave z prevlado v zračnem prostoru na obali.
Voss ::
Ko že misliš, da Rusija ne more še nižje, si uprizorijo novo še večjo sramoto :D
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bbbbbb2015 ::
Zdaj jim je pod vodo (dobesedno) padel načrt za planirano ofenzivo na Odesso.
Zdaj je vsak effort na obali Črnega morda, Krim + Mariupol + deloma Donbas pod velikim vprašajem.
Plus, Rusi sedaj ne bodo mogli na zahod Ukrajine pošiljati manevrirne rakete, kadar se jim bo zazdelo.
Da niso na to ladjo bolj pazili, je čudno.
l0g1t3ch ::
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Comandante ::
Je bila to edina ruska ladja v crnomorski floti s protiletalsko dolgega dosega? Ce ja, potem se kaj dosti od Krima ladje ne bodo smele vec oddaljevati, tam so zaenkrat se pokrite s kopenskimi S300...
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Stikalo ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Zdaj jim je pod vodo (dobesedno) padel načrt za planirano ofenzivo na Odesso.
Zdaj je vsak effort na obali Črnega morda, Krim + Mariupol + deloma Donbas pod velikim vprašajem.
Plus, Rusi sedaj ne bodo mogli na zahod Ukrajine pošiljati manevrirne rakete, kadar se jim bo zazdelo.
Da niso na to ladjo bolj pazili, je čudno.
OOOOOHAHAHHHAHAHAOO :P PISMO SEM DANES ŽIDANE VOLJE :D
Fantje, to je prav malo za popraznovat. Kako so nabrisali moskvico.
Ej pazi zdej, da je pa stvar popolna, še češnja na torti bi pa lahko rekli, da rus ne more brez tega da se ZLAŽE :D HAHAHAHA OMG HAHAHA
l0g1t3ch ::
Pif, Pif, Pif, Kh.
KH. KH. KH.
Moskva se potaplja.
Neptun.
P.S. Lahko bi rekli, da je odšla pogledat v neptunovo kraljestvo
KH. KH. KH.
Moskva se potaplja.
Neptun.
P.S. Lahko bi rekli, da je odšla pogledat v neptunovo kraljestvo
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mackilla ::
A so nad črnim morjem kakšni sateliti,ki bi lahko posneli stanje?
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kopriwa ::
Zdaj je samo še vprašanje ali je potonila ali jo nameravajo kam zvleči. V vsakem primeru je čas za odpiranje šampanjca.
Pac-Man ::
https://twitter.com/nikicaga/status/151...
"I support the working classes in Russia and Ukraine" is such an insane take. Just try applying it to other conflicts:
"I support the working classes of Yemen and Saudi Arabia"
"I support the Tigray and Amhara workers"
"I support the working classes of Nazi Germany and USSR"
I've also never heard a leftist use that on the Israel/Palestine conflict or the US invasion of Iraq
https://twitter.com/ShabanianAram/statu...
Congratulations to the Argentine Navy on passing the "largest warship sunk in combat since WWII" baton to the Russian Navy.
https://twitter.com/BA_Friedman/status/...
Still unclear exactly what happened to the Moskva. Ukraine may have hit it with a Neptune anti-ship missile or farmers may have used a few combines to create a giant sling shot to yeet a dry dock at it.
https://twitter.com/BretDevereaux/statu...
Amazing that when a key Russian warship blows up in a war zone, sober commentators have to admit that, given the Russian record on naval safety and maintenance, it might not have been attacked at all.
Could have blown itself up. Picked an unwise fight with a drydock. 🤷♂️
I'm honestly at this point not sure which is more embarrassing to the Russian navy: that they got punked by some Ukrainian missiles or that everyone finds the Kremlin's lame denials possible because they're so rubbish or that maybe your ship did just randomly blow itself up. 🤷♂️
I suppose I should be clear here the most likely thing is that the Ukrainians did, as they claim, hit the ship with some anti-ship missiles.
But it is a stunning comment on terrible Russian naval safety that I can't really feel any confidence that it didn't just blow itself up.
"I support the working classes in Russia and Ukraine" is such an insane take. Just try applying it to other conflicts:
"I support the working classes of Yemen and Saudi Arabia"
"I support the Tigray and Amhara workers"
"I support the working classes of Nazi Germany and USSR"
I've also never heard a leftist use that on the Israel/Palestine conflict or the US invasion of Iraq
https://twitter.com/ShabanianAram/statu...
Congratulations to the Argentine Navy on passing the "largest warship sunk in combat since WWII" baton to the Russian Navy.
https://twitter.com/BA_Friedman/status/...
Still unclear exactly what happened to the Moskva. Ukraine may have hit it with a Neptune anti-ship missile or farmers may have used a few combines to create a giant sling shot to yeet a dry dock at it.
https://twitter.com/BretDevereaux/statu...
Amazing that when a key Russian warship blows up in a war zone, sober commentators have to admit that, given the Russian record on naval safety and maintenance, it might not have been attacked at all.
Could have blown itself up. Picked an unwise fight with a drydock. 🤷♂️
I'm honestly at this point not sure which is more embarrassing to the Russian navy: that they got punked by some Ukrainian missiles or that everyone finds the Kremlin's lame denials possible because they're so rubbish or that maybe your ship did just randomly blow itself up. 🤷♂️
I suppose I should be clear here the most likely thing is that the Ukrainians did, as they claim, hit the ship with some anti-ship missiles.
But it is a stunning comment on terrible Russian naval safety that I can't really feel any confidence that it didn't just blow itself up.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
bbbbbb2015 ::
Comandante je izjavil:
Je bila to edina ruska ladja v crnomorski floti s protiletalsko dolgega dosega? Ce ja, potem se kaj dosti od Krima ladje ne bodo smele vec oddaljevati, tam so zaenkrat se pokrite s kopenskimi S300...
Ne, ni edina, imajo še 5 fregat, od tega ena ni v Črnem morju:
Black Sea Fleet @ Wikipedia
Fregate so 5-6x manjše, niso nabite z S-300, so pa hitrejše. Moskva je bila edina raketna križarka (v Črnem morju). Rusi imajo take križarke efektivno tri:
Slava-class cruiser @ Wikipedia
Vse služijo v različnih morjih. Turčija sedaj ne bo dopustila, da bi katera od teh križark prišla v Črno morje.
Tole so Ukrajinci potegnili asa iz rokava. Samo ali je imela ta Moskva kakšno šibko točko, da ni zaznala manevrirnih izstrelkov ali kaj jaz vem, kaj je bilo.
sparklyslo ::
To da so samo z dvema raketama uničili Putlerjev ponos je nemogoče... A niso že tretji dan Rusi trdili da so unicili vse Ukrajinske obrambne sposobnosti?A na Telegramu so že clipi, ki govorijo, da je to fejk? Sam vprašam...
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fikus_ ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Zdaj jim je pod vodo (dobesedno) padel načrt za planirano ofenzivo na Odesso.
Zdaj je vsak effort na obali Črnega morda, Krim + Mariupol + deloma Donbas pod velikim vprašajem.
Plus, Rusi sedaj ne bodo mogli na zahod Ukrajine pošiljati manevrirne rakete, kadar se jim bo zazdelo.
Da niso na to ladjo bolj pazili, je čudno.
Meni je ruska vojska čudna, ker nekaj rinejo naprej, brez kompletne podpore (oskrba goriva, hrane, protizračna zaščita, izvidovanje, . . .).
Bi bilo zanimivo vedet, kako daleč od UA obale je bila ladja.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
Pac-Man ::
Uradni narativ je, da so Ukrajinci revni kmetavzi, zato ne smejo priznat, da jih šolajo.
In spet pridemo do kdo je fašist.
https://twitter.com/vanillatary/status/...
At a certain point you have to imagine Russian state media covering every downed fighter jet as pilot error and every sunk ship as an accidental fire makes the Russian military look 10 times stupider than just losing some vehicles to enemy fire in the course of an all out war.
“Our plane got shot down by the big defending army supplied by western weaponry” sounds a lot more respectable to me than “every single piece of equipment we have is operated by fucking Mr Bean”
In spet pridemo do kdo je fašist.
https://twitter.com/vanillatary/status/...
At a certain point you have to imagine Russian state media covering every downed fighter jet as pilot error and every sunk ship as an accidental fire makes the Russian military look 10 times stupider than just losing some vehicles to enemy fire in the course of an all out war.
“Our plane got shot down by the big defending army supplied by western weaponry” sounds a lot more respectable to me than “every single piece of equipment we have is operated by fucking Mr Bean”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Stikalo ::
Spet so tolkli baje letalisce :)
https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/sta...
baje kar malo javna tajna. Gre pa takole, rusi pripeljejo opremo, Ukrajinci vse stolčejo. In rusi spret pripelejo in Ukrajinci spet stolčejo. :D
FrRoSt ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Zdaj jim je pod vodo (dobesedno) padel načrt za planirano ofenzivo na Odesso.
Zdaj je vsak effort na obali Črnega morda, Krim + Mariupol + deloma Donbas pod velikim vprašajem.
Plus, Rusi sedaj ne bodo mogli na zahod Ukrajine pošiljati manevrirne rakete, kadar se jim bo zazdelo.
Da niso na to ladjo bolj pazili, je čudno.
OOOOOHAHAHHHAHAHAOO :P PISMO SEM DANES ŽIDANE VOLJE :D
Fantje, to je prav malo za popraznovat. Kako so nabrisali moskvico.
Ej pazi zdej, da je pa stvar popolna, še češnja na torti bi pa lahko rekli, da rus ne more brez tega da se ZLAŽE :D HAHAHAHA OMG HAHAHA
Bravo!! Tole je pa res pravi PRAZNIK za ušesa!!
Že zato se je splačalo v vojno!!
Zdaj pa samo veselo naprej, do bridkega konca !!
Noben človek ni otok, popolnoma sam zase; smrt slehernega človeka vzame
del mene, ker pripadam človeški vrsti; in zato nikdar ne pošiljaj poizvedovat,
komu zvoni; zvoni tebi.
del mene, ker pripadam človeški vrsti; in zato nikdar ne pošiljaj poizvedovat,
komu zvoni; zvoni tebi.
bbbbbb2015 ::
Kok stane taka ladja? Verjetno par mlrd usd realna vrednost izgradnje?
Sama ladja je sicer stara, kar sicer nič ne vpliva - po moje je realno stala 1-2 mrd $. Potem pa oborožitveni sistemi. Mislim, da je to moralo stati 5-6 mrd $. Taka nova, novcata (obnovljena pač) je po moje stala med 8-10 mrd $. Morda, morda 20 mrd $, če ima še kaj, kar sicer ni vidno navzven.
No, za ameriške pa se ve, da ena stane 1843 miljard $. Tako za primerjavo. Američani jih imajo 69, pa še nekih 20 jih nameravajo zgraditi:
Arleigh Burke-class destroyer @ Wikipedia
Da imate občutek koliko kdo da za orožje.
Pa še nekaj je. Američani nimajo in nočejo imeti velikanskih battleshipov. To je čisto zadeva vezana na doktrino. Oni imajo rušilce. Rušilec je malenkost manjši kot križarka, nima oklepa, ter je kot jež - sami izstrelki so ga. Praktično nima lastne oskrbe, t.j. ne more sam na misijo.
Stikalo ::
Noro, cel svet jebe te posiljevalce in roparje:
Kakšne šale, so jim navozili robe pred poljsko ambasado hahahaha :D
Hehe, baje ruska vojska ne dobiva tako špecijalnih plačil vojakov. Če se le da jih pustijo v Ukrajini, ali pa skurjo :D
Kakšne šale, so jim navozili robe pred poljsko ambasado hahahaha :D
Hehe, baje ruska vojska ne dobiva tako špecijalnih plačil vojakov. Če se le da jih pustijo v Ukrajini, ali pa skurjo :D
Comandante ::
Spet so tolkli baje letalisce :)
https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/sta...
baje kar malo javna tajna. Gre pa takole, rusi pripeljejo opremo, Ukrajinci vse stolčejo. In rusi spret pripelejo in Ukrajinci spet stolčejo. :D
Za ta letalisca deratizirat bi bile super 155mm granate s fragmentacijskimi glavami z blizinskimi vzigalniki. Par izstreljenih granat, in umik, preden kaj prileti nazaj. Granato na visini 50 metrov razfuka, in s srapneli pokrije par tisoc kvadratnih metrov. Unici vse mehke tarce, najbrz tudi kaksna optika na tanku ni ravno odporna na tovrsten srapnel?
Pac-Man ::
video
https://twitter.com/jaynordlinger/statu...
Police raid an antiwar concert at a Moscow cultural center, disrupting a performance by pianist Alexei Lubimov. But he still managed to finish his last tune.
https://twitter.com/jaynordlinger/statu...
Police raid an antiwar concert at a Moscow cultural center, disrupting a performance by pianist Alexei Lubimov. But he still managed to finish his last tune.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
koyotee ::
Slej ko prej bojo tudi oprani rusi spoznali kdo je glaven sovražnik rusiji in putko bo visel
Rear DVD collector!
JTD power!
Coming soon: bigger E-penis & new internet friendzzz!
JTD power!
Coming soon: bigger E-penis & new internet friendzzz!
shuttle ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Kok stane taka ladja? Verjetno par mlrd usd realna vrednost izgradnje?
Sama ladja je sicer stara, kar sicer nič ne vpliva - po moje je realno stala 1-2 mrd $. Potem pa oborožitveni sistemi. Mislim, da je to moralo stati 5-6 mrd $. Taka nova, novcata (obnovljena pač) je po moje stala med 8-10 mrd $. Morda, morda 20 mrd $, če ima še kaj, kar sicer ni vidno navzven.
No, za ameriške pa se ve, da ena stane 1843 miljard $. Tako za primerjavo. Američani jih imajo 69, pa še nekih 20 jih nameravajo zgraditi:
Arleigh Burke-class destroyer @ Wikipedia
Da imate občutek koliko kdo da za orožje.
Pa še nekaj je. Američani nimajo in nočejo imeti velikanskih battleshipov. To je čisto zadeva vezana na doktrino. Oni imajo rušilce. Rušilec je malenkost manjši kot križarka, nima oklepa, ter je kot jež - sami izstrelki so ga. Praktično nima lastne oskrbe, t.j. ne more sam na misijo.
kakih 1843mrd ???
cca 1mrd pa res stane ena :)
https://www.wlox.com/2020/06/30/ingalls...
LeQuack ::
bbbbbb2015 je izjavil:
Kok stane taka ladja? Verjetno par mlrd usd realna vrednost izgradnje?
Sama ladja je sicer stara, kar sicer nič ne vpliva - po moje je realno stala 1-2 mrd $. Potem pa oborožitveni sistemi. Mislim, da je to moralo stati 5-6 mrd $. Taka nova, novcata (obnovljena pač) je po moje stala med 8-10 mrd $. Morda, morda 20 mrd $, če ima še kaj, kar sicer ni vidno navzven.
No, za ameriške pa se ve, da ena stane 1843 miljard $. Tako za primerjavo. Američani jih imajo 69, pa še nekih 20 jih nameravajo zgraditi:
Arleigh Burke-class destroyer @ Wikipedia
Da imate občutek koliko kdo da za orožje.
Pa še nekaj je. Američani nimajo in nočejo imeti velikanskih battleshipov. To je čisto zadeva vezana na doktrino. Oni imajo rušilce. Rušilec je malenkost manjši kot križarka, nima oklepa, ter je kot jež - sami izstrelki so ga. Praktično nima lastne oskrbe, t.j. ne more sam na misijo.
kakih 1843mrd ???
cca 1mrd pa res stane ena :)
https://www.wlox.com/2020/06/30/ingalls...
Skor tolk drago kot Abramovičeva jahta.
Quack !