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Ukrajina Part II
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digitalcek ::
Dobri ste...
1. Korona je definitivno končana, pišem iz korona oddelka v UKC.
2. Rusi so do konca februarja 2022 samo v Kvarnerju in Istri bukirali 190.000 nočitev. A da jih ne bo?
Mogoče Slovencev tudi ne?
3. Pa še malo "vojne": na Hrvaškem se je za v Ukrajino javilo že nekaj 100 prostovoljcev.
Za tuđi dom spremni...
1. Korona je definitivno končana, pišem iz korona oddelka v UKC.
2. Rusi so do konca februarja 2022 samo v Kvarnerju in Istri bukirali 190.000 nočitev. A da jih ne bo?
Mogoče Slovencev tudi ne?
3. Pa še malo "vojne": na Hrvaškem se je za v Ukrajino javilo že nekaj 100 prostovoljcev.
Za tuđi dom spremni...
tikitoki ::
janezvalva je izjavil:
A ste slišal, je Hojs sporočil, da lahko Slovenija sprejme do 200k beguncev? V katero kamro jih bo pa dal?
pa niso to neki simulantski kamelarji k bi državo molzli, pa vse štiri od sebe.
so ženske pa otroci k rabijo se umaknit za par mesecev pred vojno vihro. kva bi ti rad? sej smo sprejeli 110.000 beguncev s hrvaške 30 let nazaj.
je pa že boljše met 200k ukrajink kot 100k balkancev. ni primerjave.
Incel upa, da mu bo katera na voljo :S
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carovnik1900 ::
digitalcek je izjavil:
Dobri ste...
3. Pa še malo "vojne": na Hrvaškem se je za v Ukrajino javilo že nekaj 100 prostovoljcev.
Za tuđi dom spremni...
seveda so. škoda, da naši domobranci (tudi na tem forumu) ne gredo.
Motion ::
A jim je zmanjkalo bencina, da bi prišli na fronto? Vidim, da si zaupljive narave. Oglasi za trgovanje z Bitcoini so povečini prevara.
Uradna izjava Ramzana je da se pomikajo počasi ker se jim ne zdi vredno izgubiti niti enega človeškega življenja. Grejo v lov na nacije, ampak ti prehitro bežijo proti Poljski, so pričakovali da se bojo hrabro borili.
Zahodnim moškim je težko razumet da obstajajo kulture kjer so trofeje priborjene in ne kupljene. Skratka, grejo na lov za jelenjad, zajci so prepovedani ker je izven sezone.
Teško bodo jih polovili. Ker po informacijah tukaj so en dan na poljskem drugi dan jugu ukrajine tretji dan že v kijevu....
connel ::
Grega3 ::
Kosovo asks the US for a permanent military base and requests NATO membership
So zavohali priliko
So zavohali priliko
PrihajaNodi ::
digitalcek je izjavil:
Dobri ste...
1. Korona je definitivno končana, pišem iz korona oddelka v UKC.
2. Rusi so do konca februarja 2022 samo v Kvarnerju in Istri bukirali 190.000 nočitev. A da jih ne bo?
Mogoče Slovencev tudi ne?
3. Pa še malo "vojne": na Hrvaškem se je za v Ukrajino javilo že nekaj 100 prostovoljcev.
Za tuđi dom spremni...
Korona ni koncana
#OstaniDoma
#StaiAcasa
#SpikajmoSEvsi
#StaiAcasa
#SpikajmoSEvsi
kgtjera ::
No, ja ... mogoče res za kitajsko ... glede na to, da so američani oz. kar cel svet, v teh dneh opazili, kako nesposobno vojsko imajo rusi. Prav sramota za tako mogočno "velesilo" ... Od ukrajine naprej več nobena država ne bo jemala resno putinove grožnje ... razen ko bo spet omenil atomske bombe, ker to je edino, kar imajo rusi v redu za orožje.
Glede na politiko EU, hočemo videti tudi ali delujejo Ruske atomske bombe. Upam, da ne delajo.
To kar se trenutno dogaja kak pacient res lahko razume kot vojno napoved! Kaj si ti nor s temi sankcijami...je kdo povedal do kdaj trajanje? Do konca vojne? 10 let? v nedogled?
FilipF ::
Comandante je izjavil:
Dobre pravljice bereš, ni kaj.
Clovek je ocitno edini, ki mu RT se dela.
RT je zadnje tri dni stalno pod kibernetskim napadom, Anonimus je objavil, da jih bo uničil. So občasno res out.
TezkoDihanje ::
digitalcek je izjavil:
Korona je definitivno končana, pišem iz korona oddelka v UKC.
Kaj pa delaš tam?
Pac-Man ::
Tisti članek z dopoldne, kjer piše, da Putin za vedno rešuje ukrajinsko vprašanje...zgodil se jim je kiks/sabotaža, objaviti bi ga morali po zavzetju Ukrajine.
Resno so pričakovali, da ne bo težav.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051...
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Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus )? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe . And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.
Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin , seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev ? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany , which took place according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.
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Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. Losses from the sublimation of confrontation will be on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.
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Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.
China and India , Latin America and Africa , the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.
Resno so pričakovali, da ne bo težav.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051...
...
Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus )? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe . And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.
Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin , seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev ? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany , which took place according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.
...
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. Losses from the sublimation of confrontation will be on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.
...
Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.
China and India , Latin America and Africa , the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
fur80 ::
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
TezkoDihanje ::
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/14980294...
EU countries will provide 'fighter jets' to Ukraine under Brussels funding: Borrell
what the hell...
EU countries will provide 'fighter jets' to Ukraine under Brussels funding: Borrell
what the hell...
endelin ::
EU gre all in.
Na Ukrajini se lomi povojna liberalna ureditev sveta.
To je verjetno res najhujši konflikt po Ww2
Na Ukrajini se lomi povojna liberalna ureditev sveta.
To je verjetno res najhujši konflikt po Ww2
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Pac-Man ::
Ja, razumem sistem. Vseeno mi je smešno, da Nemčija nima stalnega sedeža.
Nek Hitler in svetovna vojna je bil takrat enkrat.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
TezkoDihanje ::
https://twitter.com/space_osint/status/...
The EU (??) will supply combat aircraft to #Ukraine (??) according to Josep Borell.
These aircraft will probably be MiG-29s.
The EU (??) will supply combat aircraft to #Ukraine (??) according to Josep Borell.
These aircraft will probably be MiG-29s.
Pimoz ::
WizzardOfOZ ::
Okupatorje bi mogli klati vse po vrsti, ne pa da jih žive ujamejo. Rusi, ki gredo proti kijevu, ne bodo nikogar gledali ... klali bodo vse, da pridejo do cilja.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/149...
Vojak nabornik, ki je bil na vajah in so ga poslali v vojno v ukrajino. Če ne bi šel, bi dobil metek v hrbet.
Ker je večina takih nabornikov, tudi ni toliko civilnih žrtev, kar se na posnetkih vidi, da se celo z oklepniki vidi, da se civilistom izogibajo.
Problem bo, ko bodo pravi klavci prišli iz rusije, srbije, čečenije,.... Pa ko bodo enaki na ukrajinski strani. Takrat bo pa veliko civilnih žrtev. Upam sicer da do tega ne pride.
Milčinski je napisal butalce kot prispodobo in ne kot priročnik!!!
Svuda u svijetu ima budala ali je izgleda kod nas centrala!!!
Svuda u svijetu ima budala ali je izgleda kod nas centrala!!!
strawman ::
Če za namen debate predpostavimo, da bo Rusija sčasoma morala odnehati. Kakšne bi bile reparacije?
Free gas for everyone?
Free gas for everyone?
kgtjera ::
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
Glede na sprejete ukrepe, hujskanje in pošiljke orožja imam tudi jst občutek, da se je začela WW3... To kar počne EU je praktično vojna napoved!
Voss ::
TezkoDihanje je izjavil:
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/14980294...
EU countries will provide 'fighter jets' to Ukraine under Brussels funding: Borrell
what the hell...
Tole postaja res že nevarno. Sem za gospodarske sankcije, takšne poteze pa so way too soon po mojem mnenju.
carovnik1900 ::
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
res tako kaže. kljub temu, da je ruski napad na ukrajino obsojanja vreden (o tem ni debate) s tem sankcijami so šli preko vseh mej normale. dogaja se dobesedni lov na čarovnice nad rusi...prav tekmujejo med sabo, kdo jim bo več naložil... nobene objektivnosti, smotrnosti sam pali...upam, da nas ne bodo birokrati fanatiki vse pobili na koncu...
Pimoz ::
carovnik1900 ::
endelin ::
carovnik1900 je izjavil:
Sankcije so potrebne... kako bi pa vi drugače Putina prijeli za jajce?
premišljene sankcije da definitivno. ne pa vojna napoved.
Premišljene sankcije kjer se že vnaprej ve da bo morda prvi učinek nekje leta 2023 ko oligarh ne bo mogel vpisati razvajenega sinčka v prestižno šolo v Londonu?
kgtjera ::
carovnik1900 je izjavil:
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
res tako kaže. kljub temu, da je ruski napad na ukrajino obsojanja vreden (o tem ni debate) s tem sankcijami so šli preko vseh mej normale. dogaja se dobesedni lov na čarovnice nad rusi...prav tekmujejo med sabo, kdo jim bo več naložil... nobene objektivnosti, smotrnosti sam pali...upam, da nas ne bodo birokrati fanatiki vse pobili na koncu...
Če se spasimo iz te vojne, si to kako sposobne diplomate volimo v Bruselj in parlament zapomnite za naslednje volitve.
Pac-Man ::
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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enemon ::
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
Glede na sprejete ukrepe, hujskanje in pošiljke orožja imam tudi jst občutek, da se je začela WW3... To kar počne EU je praktično vojna napoved!
Pustili bi Rusijo in Ukrajino na miru, pa naj zmaga najmočnejši. Ukrajina ni ne v EU ne v Natu, venomer poudarja, kako je neodvisna, super. Naj se potem tudi neodvisno brani, ne pa da je cel svet zdaj vpleten v to sranje.
Chalky ::
JUST IN - EU will supply fighter jets to Ukraine: Borrel
Tole je po mojem mnenju nepotrebno. Ukrajina ne rabi bojnih letal, povsem nespametna poteza po mojem mnenju. Bi bilo bolje da bi dobili kakšne protiletalske rakete in tanke.
Tole je po mojem mnenju nepotrebno. Ukrajina ne rabi bojnih letal, povsem nespametna poteza po mojem mnenju. Bi bilo bolje da bi dobili kakšne protiletalske rakete in tanke.
TezkoDihanje ::
carovnik1900 je izjavil:
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
res tako kaže. kljub temu, da je ruski napad na ukrajino obsojanja vreden (o tem ni debate) s tem sankcijami so šli preko vseh mej normale. dogaja se dobesedni lov na čarovnice nad rusi...prav tekmujejo med sabo, kdo jim bo več naložil... nobene objektivnosti, smotrnosti sam pali...upam, da nas ne bodo birokrati fanatiki vse pobili na koncu...
Pa saj on nas ne rabi, vsaj tako je razvidit iz njegovih halucinacij. Samo pomagali mu bomo, da se osamosvoji.
endelin ::
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
Glede na sprejete ukrepe, hujskanje in pošiljke orožja imam tudi jst občutek, da se je začela WW3... To kar počne EU je praktično vojna napoved!
Pustili bi Rusijo in Ukrajino na miru, pa naj zmaga najmočnejši. Ukrajina ni ne v EU ne v Natu, venomer poudarja, kako je neodvisna, super. Naj se potem tudi neodvisno brani, ne pa da je cel svet zdaj vpleten v to sranje.
Saj to so tut za nacije govorili. Samo problem je bil ker so potem naciji prišli tudi k njim slej ali prej
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TezkoDihanje ::
Tole gre zdaj na Kijev.
https://twitter.com/EydouxT/status/1498...
Če tole ne osvoji Kieva, potem pa ne vem, kaj lahko še Rusi naredijo.
Tukaj je nekaj več o ruskih ground units:
PacificBlue ::
carovnik1900 je izjavil:
Sankcije so potrebne... kako bi pa vi drugače Putina prijeli za jajce?
premišljene sankcije da definitivno. ne pa vojna napoved.
Po predvidevanju vse poteka po načrtu.
Resno mislite, da se geopolitika odvija spontano? Za vse ideologije ni prostora v tem globalnem svetu. Konec koncev bo prišlo do uničenja ene ali druge strani. Stari svet se podira. Potrebno bo zgraditi novega.
Chalky ::
BREAKING: Kosovo asks the US to establish a military base on its territory, to seek faster membership of NATO
Mislim da si tudi Rusi niso predstavljali takšne enotnosti in odgovora NATA, sploh prvič od kar obstaja NATO da so se takole povezali. Rusija v tem primeru nima realnih možnosti, NATO je enostavno prevelik. Resnično upam da Rusi nekoč postanejo del Evropske Unije in NATA.
Mislim da si tudi Rusi niso predstavljali takšne enotnosti in odgovora NATA, sploh prvič od kar obstaja NATO da so se takole povezali. Rusija v tem primeru nima realnih možnosti, NATO je enostavno prevelik. Resnično upam da Rusi nekoč postanejo del Evropske Unije in NATA.
Chalky ::
enemon ::
Upam, da nam je vsem jasno, da smo v vojni z Rusijo! To kar so sprejele dražve po svetu in Slovenija je vojna napoved Rusiji in smo vsi na tej strani nišana Rusom, pa če smo za njih ali proti njim! Tako, da tisti ki pravijo, da se Rusi borijo le za svoj narod, to sploh ni več važno, mogoče je bilo 10 dni nazaj! Upajmo na najboljše!
Glede na sprejete ukrepe, hujskanje in pošiljke orožja imam tudi jst občutek, da se je začela WW3... To kar počne EU je praktično vojna napoved!
Pustili bi Rusijo in Ukrajino na miru, pa naj zmaga najmočnejši. Ukrajina ni ne v EU ne v Natu, venomer poudarja, kako je neodvisna, super. Naj se potem tudi neodvisno brani, ne pa da je cel svet zdaj vpleten v to sranje.
Saj to so tut za nacije govorili. Samo problem je bil ker so potem naciji prišli tudi k njim slej ali prej
Čas, da posreduje NATO je, ko je napadena članica zveze in nič prej.
Chalky ::
Mimogrede, jaz osebno verjamem da se bosta v prihodnosti tako Mehika kot Brazilija pridružila NATU. V bistvu se to počasi že dogaja. Brazilija je 2 leti nazaj postala Major non-NATO ally in ima odprta vrata za članstvo NATA, to bo še en košček sestavljanke v borbi proti Kitajski. Kitajska bo izjemno močna in ni države na svetu ki se bo lahko sama zoperstavila Kitajski. Tako Brazilija kot Mehika imata ogromno ljudi. Mehika bo imela leta 2050 7 trilijonsko gospodarstvo, to bo velik joker ki ga bo bodo imele ZDA v rokavu.
Motion ::
Se mi zdi da bi z ene 20 tistimi turškimi droni nardili več. Pa če prav razumem TB2 niti nerabijo letaliśča?